Today is this man’s birthday. Say something nice about comrade Mao. Revisionists and liberals remember the golden rule: if you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all :)
Happy Birthday Comrade Mao
Kayden Green
Cameron Powell
Stalin and Mao were both born within a week of Christ. Checkmate, capitalists.
Adrian Reyes
Connor Evans
And Jesus himself was also pretty socialist. Checkmate, christian fundamentalists.
Anthony Bennett
Mao was pretty good at killing sparrows.
Carson Thomas
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Thanks for fighting fascism, kicking the KMT's ass and liberating China
Caleb Morales
fuck mao and fuck maoists they literally ruined china and we chinese want back the 30 years he was in power. without him china would have been superpower earlier without his bullshit communist ideology not worth studying. his officers had actually taken goods from my grandparents house when my grandparents were as poor as the other members of the community.(-100 SOCIAL CREDIT POINTS)
Connor Butler
Your illiterate agrarian peasant society would have become a superpower? How do you figure?
Henry Edwards
stay mad wh*te boi. we are a superpower now there is nothing you can do to stop us except resorting to use nukes.
Jason Sanchez
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Nathan Flores
Based autist
Brandon Peterson
Happy birbday.
Evan Reed
==Fish cannot leave the water,
Nor melons leave the vines.
The revolutionary masses cannot do without the Communist Party.
Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines==
Noah Harris
some wish walk and fly but ok mao
Wyatt Thompson
Mao's Main accomplishment is obviously his part in the ending of Japanese Aggression and the overthrow the KMT goverment and the establishment of the PRC
While his main failings include the Disastorous great Leap forward and "4 pests campaign" along with his "Cultural Revolution" which saw economic Paralysation and breakdown of Socialist democracy and a Cult of Personality developing around Mao himself
Hunter Perez
Are you daft?
John Foster
He turned a poor agrarian country into a even more poor agrarian country + 100 million deaths from famines. The only good thing he achieved was that he is the best warning example of how not to do communism.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Dylan Taylor
Guess we were all wrong guys, communism hasn't killed 100 million people. Mao himself has.
Michael Williams
Honestly I'm not very well read on the subject but I want to throw a spicy idea. Once I read that Bordiga (I'm not a leftcom but this idea was interesting to me) regarded him as not a communist, but more as a romantic-era national revolutionary. From my big ignorance I still think this has some reason. I don't think Mao was totally not communist/socialist, he did collectivize stuff, but in some sense he was more a "regenerator of china" than an internationalist proletariat revolutionary. China never even tried to build a comintern, right? It seems more like a mix of the qing dream of the chinese way to development mixed with some "social" stuff. In the end Mao's china just by a quick look at serious history is a whole lot better than imperial or republic china, but I do think he was more of a national regeneration figure than a "real" communist.
Also I'd like to know more about the great leap forward. I've heard two stories about it. The first is your typical, bourgoise version that mao killed a trillion gorillion. The other is that there were some fuckuppery in death recording or something and so the great leap forward is wrongly exaggerated, also in bad faith. Is there some kind or good, in depth research about it?
Bentley Reyes
That's an interesting outlook on Mao. Tbh that "analysis" can be used on many socialist revolutionaries if you think about it.
Juan Adams
That's because leftcoms mostly don't value national liberation
Joshua Peterson
Mao really did create the most advanced iteration of Marxism, and amended all errors and miscalculations committed by his predecessors to date.
The idea of Internationalism, as finally analysed by Mao, was a mistake. Not world revolution, nor an attempt thereof, was observed - and international solidarity is nothing at all as it was believed to be. In fact, intervention of an alien Communist society in internal politics of the foreign nation only decays both itself and communist/left wing movement inside of it.
Aiden Brown
Mao is an ultra-leftist revisionist
Joshua Bennett
And Deng is the true communist ofc.
Mason Long
Inconsequential, not a miscalculation on Mao's part
Unrepresentative.
Every famine in a Communist states is artificially engineered by the Communist government. Every famine in a Capitalist state is a natural disaster. Every death in a Communist state is a victim of Communism. Every death in a Capitalist state is a natural casualty.
Joshua Thomas
To assume that Mao was not a communist is ridiculous. People have said the same shit about Stalin and now even right-wing/liberal historians like Kotkin somewhat laugh at that notion that Stalin didn't believe in communism and Marxism first and foremost. Of course, Mao was Chinese, and a Chinese patriot. Nobody denies this. When push came to shove, he sided with China, but he was a communist before he was a Chinese patriot, this much is clear. If he was such a romanticist, then why the Cultural Revolution where so many cultual idioms of China were destroyed and defamed? I also don't see how the influence of Chinese philosophical tradition in Mao's thought is necessarily anti-communist. This seems to be almost a chauvinistic idea. Marx was influenced by Hegel and even Christianity to a certain degree, that doesn't make Marxism a Christian worldview, the same way Maoism is not some ying-yang-bullshit just because Mao was influenced by Chinese philosophy. He did speak out against Confucianism and all archaic, authoritarian ideologies of obedience as well.
Regarding the Great Leap, yes, mistakes were made, but the death toll is widely exaggerated. Here is a good article that compares all different estimations and judges their validity:
monthlyreview.org
As for research, English sources about Maoist China are pretty scarce. Compared to works about the USSR, I would argue that there isn't even an amount of 10% of works about Maoist China compared with the amount of works about the USSR.
Henry Baker
Also, young Mao was a massive nerd that read Hegel, Smith and Kant. I doubt even Lenin had read these three, I know he read Hegel but I don't know if he read Smith and Kant, and I assume it was much harder to read them if you are a Mandarin-speaking Chinaman in the 30s.
Nolan Lopez
Pragmatically maybe, theory wise there's a lot of garage.
Jason Rodriguez
The way I see it, Mao had some good theory (I'd say better than Stalin) but he was a shitty leader tbh, definitely worse than Stalin. Mao also had pretty bad foreign policy.
Jacob White
Lenin lived in Western Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It can be assumed he read them.
Josiah Garcia
China was a slave colony to Japan before him.
Robert Sanchez
Luis Jones
What is an example of this?
Noah King
Source?
Also, the maoist period is on record for the one of the periods with the fastest growth in living standards on history. In 1949, life expectancy was 40 years, and by 1977 it was ~65 years. Add to that improvements in literacy, infant mortality, and caloric consumption. And his policies, though not without flaws, laid the groundwork for a modern China. Meanwhile, nearby countries (India, Indonesia, Phillipines, etc) that did not follow communist economic development languished.
Gabriel Perry
Well, if we assume a capitalist state is what happens when a pro-capitalist government attempts capitalism, without respect to whether it successfully implements all of the points of The Wealth of Nations (this is the same standard for evaluating communist states) then we blame any famine that happens under a capitalist state on capitalism (this is the same standard for evaluating communist deaths).
Okay, then see pic related. Remember, these are deaths under really-existing capitalism, and not the fictional system that has only ever existed within the pages of a Friedman or Hayek textbook.
Christopher Thomas
Irish potato famine, Russian famine of 1891, Bengal famine to name a couple
Jacob Robinson
unnecessary ban
one of the reasons I like leftypol is because the mods are more hands off than any other leftist space, not so everyone that criticizes ☭TANKIE☭s gets banned
Nicholas Myers
Matthew Richardson
Hmmmmmm
Jaxon Parker
no. there's a difference between "criticising ☭TANKIE☭s" and being an anti-communist faggot screaming about "MUH 100 GORILLION KILLED IN FAMINES!!!11"
Nicholas Anderson
Its the logical thing to do to save millions. Godspeed, Supreme Egghead Mao. It's not murder if it's logical.
William Foster
Hoxha was even worse with his accusations of "social imperialism".
Brody Jackson
Why do these supposed numbers seem to increase every year?
Aaron Jackson
Christian Wilson
Why are memetualists the most fervent frothing at the mouth anti-communists?
Charles Hall
three worlds wasn't really mao
Bentley Morgan
Present day Yemen for one.
Christian Young
Thanos represents communism in that shit flick? 🤔
Christian Williams
Have you not seen it?, he just wants to kill half of the universe population, because of overpopulation. He could have just gave everyone condoms and rewire their brains with sex ed tbh
Ryan Hall
source?
Matthew Reed
no, malthusianism
Anthony Kelly
nice try, burger.
Christopher Morales
lel, read the bible maybe, he is all about private property and being satisfied with what your "master" gives you
Sebastian Cox
Can we just agree that that the bible is the great book of multiple choice? That it's so contradictory and full of shit that it can be cherry picked to support literally anything from 'socialism' to fascism, and therefore isn't a valid basis for anything at all?
Nathan Garcia
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