Decolonialism related questions

I'm curious about the beliefs of activists who wish to see the lands of settler colonies returned to indigenous populations. Is this position based on any kind of universal principle against human conquest and population turnover? If so, shouldn't such people also agitate for the return of Taiwan to Aboriginal Taiwanese? The return of northern Japan to the Ainu? The return of West Papua to Papuans? The return of continental Europe to non-Indoeuropean peoples like the Basque? The return of Xinjiang to the Turkics? The return of eastern Anatolia to the Greeks? The return of Austronesian lands to Andamanese hunter-gatherers?

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Second question: do such activists seriously think it is likely that nations like the USA, whose population is composed mostly of the descendants of slaves, settlers and immigrants, will ever be ruled in the future by Native American peoples indigenous to US territories, who number only a few million?

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I'm not a decolonialist either. It seems like more a left-liberal and ethnic nationalist topic than a left-wing topic, anyway. A socialist government is going to use all possible land as it's needed, and that would include land that has been colonized. Claims for massive amounts of land (as private property no less) are necessarily anti-left.

not Sakai gang myself but from what I can tell it's more about securing more adequate reparations and autonomy for native populations. libs on twitter will naturally twist this and say stupid shit but it's not about sending all Le Settlers back to their now foreign countries of origin, that's a mischaracterization. they just want a better deal. the reservation system in the US kind of sucks and I don't blame native people for rattling liberals' cages about it

No Borders. No Nations. No Property

Past is the Past, We can only march onwards to the Future Hand in Hand

You don’t know what you’re talking about because there are people who unironically believe that it means sending the “settlers” back to Europe. The people who advocate this stuff never seem to read the literature of the extreme nationalists their advocating on behalf—for instance, I’ve read Indian nationalists who claim that they won’t accept a socialist government in the US but only complete “decolonization”

And what that means is taking back every inch of land in North America as their private property, undoing “Eurocentric” methods of thought, eco-Utopianism and dismantling modern industry into some small-is-beautiful bullshit more in-keeping with their volkisch native aesthetic. They reject Lenin and Stalin’s approach to the national issue because the way they see it a better nationalities policy can only lead to reconstituting the settler-state on a different basis.

You swallow the Sakai pill and pretty soon your talking about undoing “Asian-settler colonialism” not making this upand restoring the feudal Kingdom of Hawaii to the throne along with the unspoken implicit assumption of an ethnic Hawaiian ethnostate

The question of who is a settler and what “decolonization” entails only becomes more absurd the more you read the literature and the deeper you consider the subject. Are Eastern Europeans who immigrated to the US in the 90s (long after the closing of the frontier) settlers? Are Asian immigrants settlers? Are Latinos settlers? After all Mexicans killed natives and settled lands in the West before the US and the majority mestizo populations of Latin America are generally more European than not. Are blacks settlers? After all they did help kill Indians and settle their lands. Even if you invent some bullshit excuse like systematic historic oppression overrules that fact, what about recent African immigrants?

It really spirals into the usual post-modernist hierarchy of p.ricilege circle-jerk. A lot of this stuff is literally reactionary because of the conviction that we once had this great way of life and then whitey ruined it for us. There is a desire, common to most post-colonialist thought, to regress into glorious past rather then move towards the future. Cheap narratives about native primitive communism often are useful for overlooking the reality that many native societies actually were class societies. Just one example would be the Comanche Empire which was a slavery-based empire.

Whatever you think about this stuff, I don’t think it’s mainly about better treatment but merely a desire to wash away 500 years of history.

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damn bro i guess i got sold a bridge on this one

More stupid American radlib (but I repeat myself) shit. If they want to send whitey back ala it's open borders tier, if they actually just want reform like then it's "prison abolition" tier.

Nah, it's mostly just inverse white supremacy and should not be taken seriously. From your own examples you clearly already believe it is all absurd, so why even bring it up?

No, it's always used by asshurt non-whites as a platform in their thinly veiled deeply triggering and problematic racism. Every time I've seen it come up, they say the same shit as white racists when talking about their bullshit 'culture' and 'history' or whatever. 'Colonizers' to them are only and always 'white' people, because their shitty ideology attributes everything bad to this imaginary race and everything good to their poor, oppressed ancestors.

The only society worth preserving is Communist society. All those old cultures and civilizations were shit based on the same principles of racial, gender, property, and patriarchal superiority as 'white' society and don't deserve a single tear shed for them. The only reason these racial revanchists care is because 'their side' lost, and though they dress it up in 'progressive' or 'revolutionary' language, all they're looking for is the opportunity to place themselves on top instead.

Decolonialism is fascism for "indigenous" people. They have a point in that colonialism and imperialism have fucked the victim nations and peoples in ways that cannot be easily unfucked, but they skip straight into insane revanchism when they start talking about the pre-colonial period as some sort of paradise lost and wanting to construct massive ethno-states for ethnic groups of under 10,000 people. Bonus points if the fuckers talking about it are some brand of LGBTQ and thus aren't even up to the most basic task of their ethnonationalist fantasies: repopulating.


To be honest with you, fam, "decolonialism" isn't a serious ideology. It's an ideology for dying ethnic groups who want to have fantasies about when they take back their rightful clay. I don't think most of them have even really considered the actual implications of their politics, it's basically their version of the Rapture. It's also used by angry black people to say that literally anything they don't like is the result of white "colonizers". I've seen one "decolonization" meeting where they claimed that breastfeeding in public not being generally socially acceptable is somehow due to the evil colonizers.

No one's land is really "theirs" so it's all bullshit. Like OP listed, how far back do you go? Eventually you run into people who literally no longer exist, the fuck do you do? Give it to *their* conquerors?

Stupid thread. Somekind of anti-idpol on steroids. Borderline parody level.

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Stupid post. Some kind of anti-socialism on steroids. Borderline Zig Forums level.

Look up what decolonization actually is. It's volkisch for indigenous people and American blacks.

Rest of your post is fine but this part is true. Victorian mores about nudity and bare breasts in public are entirely a product of colonisation.

Wait, so Americans always ruin everything?

How is that?

Decolonization is just supporting woke ethnostates.

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Shut up retard

Decolonialism is just an excuse to be racist. Opposing colonialism that's ongoing is entirely reasonable. Opposing colonialism that's already happened is retarded. You can't change the past. It just turns into an excuse to do more colonialism by displacing ethnic groups identified as "colonizers."

Reminder that the cracker "Left" has never achieved anything of note. If we want socialism, it has to be led by Black, Indigenous, and Latinx people, especially women and femmes. Whites (especially white men) need to get out of the way. Yes, we can help, but ultimately we can't be leaders.

This is kinda-semi true. Most of good guys of the cold war, other than Soviets were non-European countries like Cuba,Vietnam and Angola

are slavs not white?

Appropriate

Stalin was not white and if I must I will cite the population genetics literature to demonstrate this

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aren't they mostly asian?

It really drives me crazy when people use the flag but not for jokes. It's like namefagging but being a buzzkill while you're at it.

Finns and to a lesser degree Russians have a small amount of Siberian admixture but for the most part they are European populations that cluster well with other Northern Europeans on autosomal PCA

Depends how you define white, but they're different to mainland Euros.

Stalin was Georgian, which is Caucasian not Slavic.

You're thinking of Eurasian.

It's reactionary and should be opposed

There are Slavs living in central and Southern Europe. Russians are not the only Slavs around you know.

That's my point, they're not Asian.

Shame

The Slavs are Indo-Europeans, so take that as you will.

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So are Bengalis lol

DDR was probably the only "fully industrialized" nation to materially progress in the way Marx saw it dialectically.

I'm not sure you can call it fully industrialized when every one of your cities has been bombed to shit.

The war deindustrailized the country, than under forty years of socialism it reindustrailized to a higher degree than it was pre-war, which is impressive considering they loo a lot of land, had to pay huge reparations, and had a big emigration problem.

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