10/10 corbyns, would vote for
Marxism-Benninism Thread
Jack Reed
Chase Gonzalez
Did you read anything about the nature of their institutional power? Fuck a whole load of them got killed in WWI and it changed fuckall.
Kill bad man bad man go away yes.
Austin Campbell
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Joshua Diaz
Reminder that revolutionary terror is a matter of pragmatism and should be utilised without hesitation when the situation at hand demands it and not wantonly otherwise.
Insistence upon violence, murder and terror as a matter of course for socialism is demented fetishism of terror and violence for its own sake at best and intentional wrecking at worst.
Christopher Fisher
Revolutionary tactics in the UK are pointless. British police/MI5 are some of the best in the world at infiltrating groups. You only need to look at how well the police operates within left wing groups, extreme environmentalist, tiny far right cells and Islamic terrorist groups to see that its not possible to have any sort of "organised" revolution. Moreover since its pretty hard to get large amounts of firearms and unlikely for much support from army makes actually doing anything impossible. A group with shotguns and .762 bolt action rifles arent going to take down a tank.
So you are left with the mass, spontaneous revolution that could come about via a period of mass protest/strikes. Here the issue is there just isn't the material conditions for that to happen in the UK, and once it gets bad enough the British capitalist class will do what they did in 1945 and let reform happen hopping in a few decades they can take back control.
Jack Martinez
Tbf the police have been pretty effectively gutted by this conservative government, you're dead right about MI5 though. Anyone interested should look into the "Spycops" debacle, they had agents literally fucking everywhere.
And the only mass protests in the UK that would mean anything would be rural ones á la France: and the Shires just don't have any developed class consciousness to enact that right now.
Elijah Martin
Its amazing how good MI5/police are without the average person thinking they are infringing on their rights too much. I wouldn't be surprised if they have started looking at particular left wing momentum groups.
somersetlive.co.uk
there was this happening in Somerset. Its weird how some of the poorest rural areas in England vote Tory:Devon, Somerset, Norfolk, fuck Cornwall votes Tory and its one of the poorest areas in western Europe
Charles Clark
Your disingenuous reduction of revolutionary terror to an administered response demanded by a contingent situation is stemming from moral considerations and/or some kind of perverse utilitarianism. Your version of terror is just another example of the post-modern obsession with trying to control things that are by nature excessive and redoubles nicely the ideals of technocratic industrial societies where everything has to serve a direct function or is immediately labeled suspect.
Terror is the way by which a society in revolutionary turmoil rids itself of the hitherto permeating and institutionalized forms of morals, reaching a moral zero-point upon which it can later build its revolutionary morals and modes of conduct. In practical terms this has always meant peasants, laborers, students grabbing the sovereign right of judgement away from said institutions and, without any pretense for some kind of holy mandate, justification and cover-up for their own acts, becoming themselves sovereigns.
Yes, there could (and arguably should) be established parallel to this violence a more organized institution (the Cheka comes to mind) to combat counter-revolution (which will always be present in every truly revolutionary scenario – as opposed to your ahistoric parody) and serving an overarching strategic goal, but to think that the terror can be under some kind of immediate containment or under central control is asinine.
There's not a single line of fetishism in what I've just written and the only thing I insist on is that you either come off of your ahistoric cloud from the land of fairies or stop pretending to be a communist,faggot.
Jace Lewis
The west country used to be pretty split between tory and lib dem, with Labour making some gains in various places. Interesting to hear people seeing Yellow Vests as an anti-austerity thing though, bares hope: but I fear someone like Tommy Robinson might hijack it,
Charles James
if only
your entire post is overflowing with idealistic nonsense, 'moral zero points', absolute nonsense. Disgraceful for you to post with that flag too while spouting off this borderline religious mystical mumbo jumbo. Not to mention that nothing in that long-winded tirade of yours is at all relevant to question i was concerned with, that is the essential pragmatism of a revolutionary leadership in regard to terror.