German leftwing movement 'will take to streets like gilets jaunes in 2019'

theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/02/german-leftwing-movement-will-take-to-streets-like-gilet-jaunes-in-2019
Inspired by French protests, Get Up’s Sahra Wagenknecht promises action in coming year

Based Wagenknecht has resurfaced with actual radical plans, the article is a few days old but I don't think I've seen this posted here yet. Do we have any Germans that can shed some light on the situation?

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radlib bullshit

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ok, does she support the DDR?

She's from the DDR and was reading Marx when the Berlin wall fell. She gets blasted all the time for not apologising for anything the DDR did. She's also leader of the internal opposition to the anti-Deutsch, and her political roots are from the ruling party of the DDR.

I'd say she liked the DDR.

Doesn't literally everyone even tangentially related to Die Linke?

Dumb dogmatist

Only thing radlib is their neoliberal globalist government.

Post one thing that makes Wagenknecht a neoliberal or a globalist using a single source.

Protip: You can't.

Why is she so perfect?

I was talking about pic related.

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The world is a better place graced with her presence.


Ah, yeah. The poster you were responding to was referring to Sahra, though.

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Just because you don't constantly bring up the DDR and its defence in polemics Dosent make you a "RadLib"

lmao butthurt opportunists. Aryan Ocasio Cortez

Yes, your post did make yourself look very retarded, didn't it? Back to the retarded boomer American pen you go.

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Hahaha ebin bolitician :DDDD She looks like Mandy Flores X–DD bud older :-DD

The absolute state of nu-leftypol in these replies.

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I actually agree with you but your response just vindicates my position on the absolute state of the board even more.
Wagenknecht was the leftypol bae in 2016.

Sahra Wagenknecht is a Marxist-Leninist, the opposite of a liberal. She literally does not even mention feminism on her website, opposes open borders and even defended daddy Joe himself. I don't really see the German proletariat to have revolutionary potential though tbh

u am*Ricanoid scum. Go fap to cortez pics, she's the definition of radlib

Tbh she should have named the org "Auferstanden".

Also tbh you cannot will yourself into a GJ-like situation, it has to occur organically then be guided along. The main strength of the GJ movement was that it was a spontaneous uprising of the rural proletariat without the intervention of the conventional body politic in its initial phases.
She's be better off trying to organise direct action in urban areas RE renting or something: perhaps rent strikes against shitty landlords in Berlin that'd ruffle some feathers.

Take to the streets and do what?

Hopefully take the balls off shortwitted dunces like yourself. What the fuck do you think they're on the streets for, fuckwit?

I'll believe it when I see it.

You guys don't know what you are talking about. Wagenknecht is not Marxist-Leninist, she is, and I say that partly as a praise, an anti-IdPol socialist-leaning populist who advocates some sort of market socialism in her books while adhering to a strict anti-imperialist line that hides her powerlevel more than Corbyn as Wagenknecht actually academically studied Marx with a degree in macroeconomics. Similar to Varoufakis, but much less friendly to liberals who absolutely hate her and call her a NazBol (German media has literally called her a NazBol).

That being said, she is not a Marxist-Leninist. She doesn't advocate for a vanguard party, and not many aspects of her praxis are particularly Leninist, she still wants to work with the a broad progressive coalition that may include the SPD if they turn to the left, so she is closer to Menshevik praxis than to Leninist praxis, HOWEVER, she might come out as a Leninist in a revolutionary situation which is certainly not happening in Germany right now as Germany actively profits from the EU-wide austerity programs as it is the imperialist heart of internal EU competition of monopoly capital.

She is also has been deliberately vague in her stance concerning the GDR: She was barred from studying in the GDR as she identified as an anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninist during the Honecker government, and shortly after 1991 she wrote somewhat a defense of Stalinism as a juxtapose to the late GDR bureaucracy. When pressured by the media, she never really denounces it, she merely says "well if you followed my work long enough you'd not ask me that question" which can totally be interpreted in both ways and is, for me, a clear sign that she hides her powerlevel, because if she really would want to denounce her past as a dirty commie, she do so openly, no reason to give journalists a chance to attack her on these grounds.


There are few in DieLinke who are left of Wagenknecht economically and in terms of historical stances regarding the GDR and the USSR, however, they are marginalised. DieLinke is run by left-liberals, Wagenknecht and her clique (Dagdelen, etc.) is the part in the leadership of the party that is not, but they can't oust her because she is one of the most popular politicians in this country, and the left-liberal IdPol wing in DieLinke is universally hated. Antideutsche are not the majority in DieLinke, but they are a force in the Linksjugend, the youth organisation.

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demand more refugees? thats about all the german left has done

Sounds based tbh. Glad there are leftists in Germany who keeps it real

(You)

Spartacus League 2 when?

I think your referring to the right wing government

they're not in power

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Either you are a straight up monarchist or full of shit

The left is defined by wanting more refugees and the right is defined by its opposition to that, so a right-wing government can by definition never want more refugees. This may sound retarded, but it is the only way to prevent cognitive dissonance on a massive scale for right-wingers who can only think in black-and-white

they love rapefugees just as much as merkel

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This is your brain on Milo.

Whether or not you think that quote means that they want more refugees (they said further up in the paragraph that they don't want Europe to partake in USA shenanigans) that doesn't have anything to do with whether the CDU is right wing or not. Are you genuinely retarded or arguing in bad faith?

The US hardly takes in any compared to the EU


the original argument had nothing to do with the CDU it was about the left party wanting more refugees

Christ do these people care about anything other than immigration?

Yes but the probably is everything will fall apart if liberals win on the immigration issue

Exactly, US is creating the conditions that creates refugees and EU is taking the blunt of it. And maybe if EU had no part to play in the Middle East bullshit that would be okay but they are complicit in the chaos in ME.

And you made a retarded comment that CDU isn't right wing and was called out for it. What's you point?

that would be okay for EU to wipe its hands of this crisis.

Not just the US, tbh. The French and Brits were also important actors in Libya. The US deserves everything it gets, but we shouldn't forget European governments' part in the chaos.
If only so that we don't forget to hang Cameron and Sarkozy along with Clinton when the opportunity comes.

but they're not going to stop the flood

i actually never said that

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The CDU is a right wing party. Them being pro refuge doesn’t change that. The CDU have done a lot of privatization. Which is what makes them right wing.

It is what you implied in retard,

Are you saying being anti-interventionist in the Middle East would not stop the flood? Do you even understand casualty?

they're left

no i implied afd isn't in power retard

They are not proposing anything to stop middle easterners from entering into Germany

if you count republican economic stances as left, then sure thing dude

AFD not being in power doesn't undermine that CDU isn't right wing you obtuse brainlet. When someone said that CDU is right wing and you said but AFD is not in power, you are implying that AFD is the only right wing party which is not true at all.


Because EU has a hand to play in the ongoing crisis? If anything their policy will stop more crisis like this from happening.

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left

never said that

Poland defied the EU Germany can as well but the left isn't doing it

Zentrum-Recht.

Like what?

especially rightists want to build up the DDR as some second Nazi coming and horseshoe confirmation, so leftist are "expected" to apologise for it

Hence the word 'implying' was put before I typed those words. Do you know how grammar works?


Maybe coz they are in control of any governments yet?

But it wasn't DDR that was stuffed with Nazis, though?

Yeah, the nazis in the west were in goverment until the 80s

well i didn't. so try again

they're not even saying they're going to reject EU refugee quotas

So you acknowledged that the Right have been fueling the situation that create this refugee problem and are inviting them too? And that the Left is only asking for proper treatment of them while refusing to indulge in any intervention?


So you only care about short term solutions (which they can't implement since they won't be getting any power anytime soon) over long term solutions or do you just want to have your cake and eat it?

not they're not there is no evidence of them stopping the flood of refugees

Right, they wouldn't be leftists if they weren't internationalists

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you:

also you

the cognitive dissonance is strong here

they physically can't. they've lost every other philosophical battle besides being anti-immigrant. this is true for every country post-housing market crisis.

the problem is everything will fall apart if liberals win on the immigration issue

not really. if the right takes the full Nazi caste immigration system they know they'll immediately lose because they are mentally incapable of not sucking neoliberal dick. it's why Trump shills visas because the GOP always needs an immigrant boogieman to fight against. trust me two or three election cycles from now they'll try to shill against visas.

Except I never posted the first position, and the person who did is either arguing in bad faith or just fucking wrong.

yes really

Not German but one of the top right-wing activists in my local area who is very anti-immigrant literally runs an immigrant visa business. These things are related, naturally.

not so sure about this tbh, depends on how you define "antideutsch". personally i put regular libshits in this category as well, since they are zionist bourgeois hipster idpol faggots, just like actual antideutsche. meanwhile oldschool antideutsche came out of the closet and support the reactionary far-right because israel supports the far-right.
the riexinger/kipping wing is equally liberal as the greens and jusos - and equally stupid, yet they have a lot of power and a huge network thanks to them being relatively good with the liberal mainstream media, while sahra is absolutely hated by all porky press journalists and libshit media in particular.

i vote for linke regularly but sadly i think the left liberal idpol wing is much more influential than the demsoc class struggle wing

are they literally feds or some shit?

antigermans confirmed for BND

chekem

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whew lad

anti-deutsche are when german liberal bourgeois idpolism is run to its logical conclusion. feds plus mossad are at the top but most of these idiots really believe that shit. the only "leftists" in many fairly large and internationally known german city are anti-deutsche. they threatened a group of female muslim BDS activists here and destroyed their stand and waved israel flags and shit. antifa dipshits.

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the comments are full of anti-deutsche rooting the antifa guys on and saying they should have beaten the muslimas and so on

lmao

fucking embarassment

you guys can run google translate, but these are the hottest of hot takes

>guy with a DPRK avatar praising the anti-deutsche: "Und tschüss

(me again)


THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE GERMAN "FAR LEFT"

WITNESSED FOR THE TRUTH

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If a nation could lick a boot, that nation would be Germany.

>Hating guitar music because it creates liberals masquerading as anarchists Adorno is that you?

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Adorno did nothing wrong

Is this meta-anti-deutch? Hating germany because they managed to produce something as retarded as the anti-germans.

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mate, the hottest take of them all is to call the Jugendwiderstand anti-semitic because they oppose the israelian hegemony of the middle east

Check 'em.

Anyway, the last time that I reported things the Anti-Germans have done on here people didn't believe me. Like waving US and Israel flags next to communist flags, putting up posters that say "I'll put an imperialist settlement in your Nazi mouth", open support for the fa-rright because of "cultural relativism", or marching through a village knocking on people's doors and calling them Nazis. This all happened. However, they do not represent the majority of the German left, but some party, like the Linksjugend, or German left reddit (r/Dachschaden) are fully infiltrated by it.

Can you explain their beliefs? Or are they just batshit insane, white juche-tier?

Disregard funposting flag

Most of it is heavily influenced by the Frankfurt School, Adorno and the likes. They claim that Jews are somewhat special because of their history of persecution, which is why they need a nuclear armed state, and they are as well "more civilised" which they try to associate with Marx's objectivism regarding certain modes of production (capitalism better than feudalism and so on). They argue that US and Israelite imperialism is more likely to bring communism than Palestine national liberation. as the US and Israel are the most "progressed" nations on the planet, while Arabs are "savages" and suggesting otherwise would be "cultural relativism". They also think that Nazism is inherent in the "German psyche".

back to reddit

They are what happens when white guilt, left liberalism and a fascist history meets its logical conclusion. Fuck antideutsche

this is not what the Frankfurt School claims shill

Has she criticized the DDR?

She is infamous for defending the DDR a lot