How would you design a floor plan for subsidized basic housing...

Not sure about communal kitches, but I agree on more gathering spaces. Having a common garden for growing plants, herbs and vegetables could be a good idea too.

If communism won't let me lock myself in my hovel and ignore the world then I don't want any part of it.

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I'm not saying no private kitchens, just that they shouldn't be very big.
A communal kitchen is necessary for communism as it cuts down on wasted, duplicate labor doing individual cooking. The fact is that outside of hobby cooking, cooking only for yourself or two people is a big waste of time.

so you mean like say, four adjacent homes share a big kitchen and the 'unit' does some/most cooking together.
Or like communal kitchens distinct from the house structure itself, and only basic kitchen stuff in the individual living area but there would be separate spaces you could go with a group of say 15 friends and cook up a pot-luck

This. Fewer walls dividing the space, and put that extra material you save around the individual spaces so they're more private. Every apartment complex should get public spaces by floor including amenities like shared balcony space, movie theater projection screens (or similar stuff) gardens on the inside or outside, etc.

There should be both a small kitchen optional (not every room needs one, so maybe have modular rooms for the units) as well as a building kitchen with a professional staff who cooks for everyone. You could do it like a restaurant where people place orders for instance. You could eat in a communal cafe/cafeteria or have the food brought to your room. If you like frozen food then you could have a microwave/oven for your hotpockets and pizza.

To have professionals cook for an entire housing complex sounds exaggerated. I think it could be better if the people in the housing cooked the food themselves.

Just the floor plan? I think that's a bit too narrow for this topic (besides, we're not interior designers). Pretty much every socialist housing plan that I'm aware of puts emphasis on communal spaces and communities - places outside of the house - whether we're talking about villages, apartment blocks, or something crazy dense like arcologies. With all that, the housing itself can be fairly minimal, though it should still be nice to live in. There should be access to natural light and fresh air (perhaps a balcony), it should be spacious enough to not feel cramped, and in case of families there should be enough rooms for everyone. Besides that it should provide all the basic necessities - a small kitchen, bathroom(s), living room, perhaps some office space. The point is to have something comfy and with a sense of permanence, whether it's a house or an apartment, and the communal spaces should amplify that.

There's a Danish company of architects called BIG which make some very skandi designs with a mixture of density, communal spaces, amenities, offices and housing mixed in. It seems very utopian, as most of them seem to be just plans, but I have no idea how normal that is for most architecture companies.

nordic.businessinsider.com/seven-mind-bending-buildings-from-starchitect-bjarke-ingels-currently-in-progress-in-the-nordics-2017-4/

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I've seen exactly this OP on other boards. Anyway. What is important is that the toilet and the kitchen should be really close to each other so you hear people pooping while you eat, and both should be close to the center so that the various fumes created in these spots are kept around and enrich your living experience.

This tbh

It's not though. Maybe like a cookout situation where people take turns cooking but there would absolutely be those who want to cook professionally and it makes the most sense to have them cook for their community directly. It could be a big ass kitchen if it's for a whole building, meaning economy of scale helps relative to individual kitchens. You can have a wider array of expertise, ingredients, and tools. Collective food prep and cooking has been the norm for most of human history.

as long as space is maximized and the walls arent paper thin itll be better than the subsidized housing ive lived in

ugly.

even the people who design this shit don't live in it

That could be too many cooks in a kitchen, it could really be a regularly scheduled buffet or something like that, with some residents paid to cook, and the kitchen open to all residents outside of that time. As well, you can have regular education sessions teaching all residents to participate and cook, how to try new foods, etc.

What's crazy about that? Think of how many fast food joints and restaurants there are next to apartment complexes.

They should be paid if they're working for others. Whether it's a rotation of volunteer cooks from the community itself or a resident cook, we should not have every individual cooking for themselves and we should not have people working for free.

or we could just have normal sized kitchens like we do now

Based and redpilled

you aren't getting my sims 2 public housing designs that easilly

This is the exact same schizophrenic shit as the "communal child rearing" they were pushing a few months ago. Watch as the Anti-Natalists start pouring in.
Most people want to cook their own food privately. They don't want to eat in some gigantic, communal, fart-filled hallway like they live in a Cult. Imagine all of the screaming kids.

I'm fine with building shops, cinemas and restaurants into high-rise apartment complexes, but this mandatory communal slop time is nuts.

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singapore has best public housing program in the world
it also deport and jails succdems ,socialists and union workers

Its called "any fast food joint" and people go there and like it. Give them 90 coupons per month to mcdonalds and they'll happily eat communal.

Nobody was saying that. We were saying you could also have your own kitchen or have food delivered to your unit instead.

Mr.Robot should have blown it up.

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Source?

lmao are you high? no they don't.

hbr.org/2017/09/the-grocery-industry-confronts-a-new-problem-only-10-of-americans-love-cooking
So, we take the 10% who love to cook and put them to work in the communal kitchens. They can feed everyone else who either doesn't give a shit or outright HATES cooking.

Whatever happened to those colonial trinitary houses? I basically had one of two rooms per floor. Have a common room/kitchen on the bottom, a bathroom and small bedroom in the middle, and a master and office room on the top. It saves space and gives people some semblance of privacy.

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Repurposed intermodal containers

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it's a house

those literally have toxic chemicals in them

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reasonable historical solutions are boring and probably reactionary.

Isn't the point of history to learn from it? These are FAR more efficient and easier to build, maintain, and probably easier to live in than modern McMansions and suburban blocks. It's like when American cities build gridded roads, it's innovative but is fucking useless and we know far better alternatives.

if anyone hates cooking that much they should honestly starve.

Specialization and centralization are the true powers of civilization. Demanding that everyone be their own chef is fucking stupid.

Im just gonna quote you so everyone can see what comes out of your caved in head.

Hmm, probably something like pic related:

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americans detected

Oh yes of course, McDonalds. That's exactly the model an anti-capitalist Government should strive for

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Do you understand that it's more efficient to cook large portions? Do you just like wasting people's time?

This honestly
Also have any of you ever eaten beans or any sort of stew made in large pots to feed over 200 people?
Because it tastes amazing, it's basically what the stew would taste like on the day after it was made.

I really don't understand why people are against communal kitchens, it's basically what a lot of countries still have for either students or workers (or anyone too poor to take time to cook or eat elsewhere)

There should be both personal kitchenettes and a communal kitchen geared towards large batch cooking.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopolium

You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

youtube.com/watch?v=BQcv8f76Yc0

>wanting to live squished tiny rooms, that resemble late 19th century apartments built by Porkies, but with grass I live in a former industrial town, and sure greenery the that they put around the building is sick but it's not like you can't have normal green cities without living in a concrete cage

This example doesn't look all to clean, and it doesn't even look tall enough, but it's still a step over things like hobbit holes and, wage camps, while allowing both community, and privacy. I also found a study that connected people living in homes like these with higher happiness rates, but I lost the article , and it was from the U.S, so eh.

Also all kitchens are communal when you invite people over, you nut sacks

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That's because so many people don't grasp basic principles of cooking and flavor pairing so it's a struggle with a poor end product. And they're also tired after at least 8 hours of work and an hour commute. We've also adjusted to get pleasure from that which requires the least amount of thought or effort, like retarded movies and idiot youtubers.

You will live in high density housing and you will like it.

Nobody said anything about not learning to cook you fucking idiot.

Communal kitchens does not imply you can't cook your food privately. You just go to the kitchen when other people aren't there. Maybe we can schedule shit like this in an app or something.
You can eat separately from everyone else. Or arrange one moment for adults you want to hang out with, and another for kids and their parents. Who cares? The point is that we need less resources to provide more luxuries.

Communal child rearing is better than what we're doing right now. I imagine there will be communes that don't have kids. If you don't like kids, move into one of those.

but why

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This sounds like a summer camp, and that's not okay. Living in a decent place is one of the greatest luxuries, along with smash bros community vidya

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Right on time.

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Speaks volumes about the failure of capitalist socialization. Living together in a group doesn't have to be like the summer camp you got bullied on, user. You can do it whatever way you like.

yeah no, intersectional progressive stack anarcho-summercamp is fucking retarded and nobody is going to support that. try again

Okay than, how about communal bedrooms and everyone gets their own kitchen?

By building communal living spaces we can give everyone access to swimming pools, jacuzzis, home cinemas, gym equipment, advanced gaming rigs… right from the comfort of their home. Next to that we'll save tons of labor caring for the disabled and the elderly. Just leave them in a commune, make sure a trained social worker visits each day, and you're fine. There will always be someone to care for them.

And if you're not into that (i.e. an uncaring fuck) then you seek out a commune without that shit. It's fine. There should also be communes where everyone minds their own business most of the time. You have most of the shit you need in your own room, and only go to the shared kitchen or whatever if you need to prepare something to eat.

The idea that we all need our own houses is a shitty bourgeois idea that goes against human nature. Elites always needed their own self-contained homes. It was a status-symbol used to receive guests. When the working-class needed to be housed they followed the same example, but this was a mistake. The original villages they came from were much more like communes than separate living compartments. This change has fucked us up psychologically.

I personally know a nurse who exclusively works with people with Down's Syndrome. They need to be looked after 24/7, a small amount are allowed to go outside by themselves for very short periods of time. Many of these nurses work shifts that last the entire weekend.
I think you are under-estimating the amount of work is required to take care of all of the different types of disabled people.

There is also the fact that we already consider Old Folks Homes to be depressing, why do you want to make more of them? Why can't grandparents live with their children and grand kids?
I find it very odd how so many of these Utopian ideas are based around separating family members.

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It's because they're antisocial hyperalienated autists who panic at the thought of needing to interact with people regularly.

I think you're misunderstanding me. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
My idea isn't that we put disabled or elderly people together in a commune. It is to spread them around among communes where people without these problems live. The elderly would continue living among their extended family, or alternatively, be introduced into another community of younger people that can help them.
We should still have a nurse or something on standby in the area. Maybe a couple of communes in the same neighborhood could share a nurse, which preferably also lives in one of them. They'd be able to hop in and out to help them with problems other inhabitants cannot solve.

This obviously won't work with all disabled people. Like you say, many people with Down Syndrome will require more intensive care than can be expected of a commune. In such cases, it would still be preferable to house them in a general residential area, and allow for some interaction with local communes. Maybe we can arrange that the nurses live in these surrounding communes as well. That way we can ensure constant professional care while also maintaining a somewhat homely atmosphere for everyone.

All single people would live in large, tall apartment buildings. Couples with children or families (extended families) could opt for special housing. Communal kitchens would be a nice touch I think but they would not be necessary.

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it's a bad idea

Communal sex dungeons. :^)

If you keep this up I might become reactionary.

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NEET shacks, yes.

Floor plan can be anything, but for a family of four the flats have to be at least 65 square meters. For a family of three at least 55 etc.

WTF communal kitchens. Public kitchens (cafeterias), public laundromats, public daycares for kids.

I spoilered the important part for you.
and you don't have to share either, we enjoy the sight anyway UMU

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You can still live in a grave if you want user, but not sure how the relatives of the deceased will take to your fetish

EPIC, COMMIES BTFO AGAIN

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Because high-density housing means more space for everything else. It also means everything can be built closer together, which means less commuting and (potentially) a more communal lifestyle. It's the only option that even has the pretence of being sustainable, with our current population.

Tbh what i posted seemed to be pretty communal, just not towering like the neet shacks (The height would definitely be nice to have), and like a 1/4 too wide. I also don't see why we can't just dig down Hoxha style, and build some stuff down there, and put some trees down (pics a related Aussie town).

Summer camps like that create groups, and hierarchies that lessen individuality, especially during lunch, a time where people have to talk, or die of boredom so modeling your childish lunch time on that, is pain incarnate and it's not even the best comparison as luch is a break in school, for some this would be work, so just let people host community partieswhenever they want to schedule them dweebs.

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Subsidize entities who would provide dining centers that offer dine in and take out of delicious and HEALTHY prepared meals. Paid for with EBT/Food card. They serve four times a day.

You're joking but the concept of a private bedroom didn't exist prior to capitalism except for the upper classes. People used to sleep in one room together, often in piles with strangers.

Wouldn’t be better if they have a small farm to get the food from it instead of wasting the money on food cards?

Depends where, here in Serbia people used to live and sleep in a common central room of the house, which used to be the center of everything.
Only after we broke free from the Ottomans did the houses start to change and grow larger and richer for the rest of the population.

Based pile user. Socialism is when you live like your ancient ancestors. The more diseases you die from, the more socialist it is.

I wouldn't call it that communal. It's just a row of houses, there aren't any shared spaces outside of the street. A better example for medium-density housing like that would be something like a pocket neighbourhood, where the houses are oriented around some central courtyard or common garden. While row-houses can be nice and use less space than your usual suburban house, it still turns into a massive sprawl when built at a scale to house millions of people.

Any of you ever wonder what may happen if solar power aircraft become popular?

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I was raped at summer camp.

The house are connected that's why there no space between them. Other than that this is a based post we should incentives people to visit other housing complexes so we're not disconnected

Thank you user, very cool

Just because the walls are touching each other does not mean they are connected, user. I've lived in row houses before.