Soviet Union is responsible for a lot underrated science like telephone, laser and many more. Yet, there are a lot of myths that most of Soviet science is based on captured na..zi designs or were made captured na…zi scientists. good example is accusation that AK-47 is based on stg 44, which ignores early Soviet Fedorov Avtomat (first self-loading battle rifle, arguably the first assault rifle) and PPSH. Soviets also created BI-1 (first rocket-powered plane). Anyways, I am wondering if anyone knows any good early soviet inventions, or debunks that Soviet science was based on na..zi designs.
Early Soviet Science
Nolan Taylor
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Aiden Collins
You can type Nazi lol
Kayden White
Elijah Parker
Apparently Soviets also invented Flying wing, a invention attributed to nazis
Wyatt Gray
Especially I am wondering about early soviet jet and rocket technology
Logan Martinez
Fedorov wasn’t an assault rifle, and it wasn’t designed in the Soviet Union, but the Russian Empire. The PPsh isn’t an assault rifle either, it’s a sub machine gun. That being said, the Stg and AK are totally unrelated. The Stg uses a short stroke gas piston while the AK uses a long stroke. The AK is unironically closers to the Garant mechanically than the Stg.
Brody Myers
Number two isn't Soviet, the Federov avtomat was invented in the Russian Empire for WW1. It was used more by the Soviets than the Empire mainly because the Empire didn't have the time or resources to pump them out in large quantities in the middle of an already massively taxing war.
Even then they only made a few thousand in total between the Soviets and Tsarists.
Nonsense.
Also nonsense.
Mechanically? You're right. Conceptually? You're wrong. Kalashnikov worked straight off of what he'd heard from the StGs' usage in the war. He even had a few that he studied to help him engineer the AK.
The StG and earlier MkB are the definitive first assault rifles. In that sense, the M1 and M2 carbines are closer to being prototype assault rifles than the Federov - which is, as you said, a Battle Rifle and closer to the B.A.R. than the AK.
Furthermore, the Federov is a clockwork contraption that has absolutely nothing to do with the AK in a mechanical or conceptual sense. This is complete nonsense.
The PPSH is a pointless mention. Everyone invented SMGs in that period. I have no idea why you'd bring it up.
They got nowhere near enough scientists for that. Some of it probably was, that's a given, but not all of it. Indeed, the Soviets were far more fond of acquiring - be it legally or not - Allied tech and bootlegging it like the Chinks do now.
The entire Soviet aviation industry was based off of bought and stolen Supermarine designs. Just go through the Supermarine jet prototypes and blueprints.
They also aped American planes though nowhere near as much since American intelligence was never as heavily infiltrated.
That's not the only field the Soviets aped Brittech, the Moscow subway for instance was built by British metro engineers and architects(who were promptly not payed and exiled from the country) and Soviet nuclear technology was in large part, once again, based on stolen British and a few American designs.
One thing the Soviets did invent though is the G36. More specifically, the gas system used by the G43 is also used by the G36 and they're both pretty much the exact system used by the SVT-40….you know…because the Germans looked at the SVT-40 and went "this is much better than our retarded gas-trap G41! Ditch it and start producing this but in 8mm mauser!".
Sovs also aped a lot of French tech but that was mostly legal since the interwar French had a lot - and I mean a lot - of Soviet and Socialist sympathizers(by the end of the war it was estimated that the French army was so badly infiltrated that maybe up to a quarter of the troops were Communists).
It's a shame it came a year after the Me 163 or you might be right - and even that wasn't precisely the first rocketplane. That goes to the He 176 which was prototyped in 1939.
As for the flying wing, that can vary depending on how you define it. Tailless aircraft were first experimented with by an American designer (some guy called "Dunn" I think) but the Sov plane was probably one of the earlier designs. It's still not technically a flying wing(it has a rudder) but it's tailless.
The first actual flying wing design that could…you know…fly was probably the N-1M by Northrop.
Sovs didn't make much, in the long run, but they were really good at adapting extant technology and ideas. There are three things, militarily, that the Sovs got right really early though - probably earlier than anyone else.
The squad automatic weapon, the DMR and, ironically, blitzkreig. It can be argued that the Fins taught the soviets the absolute necessity of having snipers and designated marksmen but of all the major powers in the war the Soviets fielded the most marksmen and used them to the greatest effect.
Furthermore, even after the war most of the allies and Axis hadn't really learned their lesson. The Americans wouldn't develop an actual, practically applicable semi-automatic marksmans' rifle until the tail end of the Vietnam War and the Germans wouldn't get on that(despite having developed marksmans' variants of the G-41 and 43) up until the Olympic games fiasco.
On the flip side, the Soviets came out with the Dragunov pretty much as fast as they could and, to this day, it remains one of the best DMRs out there.
Likewise, the Sovs realized the need for an intermediate caliber squad support weapon immediately and so developed first the RPD and then the RPK.
It took most of the rest of the world until the '80s or '90s to realize the benefit of something like that.
Jaxon Moore
Or to be more specific, he developed an early walkie-talkie - so not even an actual mobile phone. Do you think phones didn't exist before the late '50s?
It's a shame that, at the same time, the same technology was being invented by Americans. But I'll give you the laser just out of pity and because you're technically not wrong.
Luke Roberts
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Gavin Ortiz
I swear Zig Forums and Zig Forums are full of zoomer degenerates that think the world began in 2003 when Einstein invented the Internet.
I despair, I legitimately despair as I watch people barely a few years older than me completely ignorant of common knowledge.
It's no wonder they swallow bunk like holocaust denial!
Luke Thompson
I meant to say younger.
Jaxon Jenkins
Based
Nolan Roberts
This is obviously bullshit on so many levels.
t. Bong.
Jordan Bailey
I think it's part of the usual myth where the engineers who constructed impressive buildings or building complexes or whatever you want to call it, were all killed to keep the secrets hidden, or for them to never again build something as grand as that.
Jose Jones
Gavin Torres
Sorry, comrades autists, I forgot to add word 'mobile' before word 'phone'
Jose Barnes
No kalashnikov worked off of his own experiences on the front line, not the StG. This has been debunked a million times.
Absolute horse shit
No, they had soviet engineers go to britain, learn the basics and applied it, with volunteer help, but they built it themselves.
Not really, they had silenced production of some tanks and other equipment, but only in the early inter-war years, before their own bureau's were created.
Levi Gray
he men who get the most credit are Nobel Prize winner Charles H. Townes, Gordon Gould, and Arthur Schawlow. They get the majority of the attention because of a long-standing legal battle between Gould and Townes over who owns the patent on the final design.
However, if you look at Townes’s Nobel Prize, you might notice two other names: Nicolay G. Basov and Aleksandr M. Prokhorov. Basov and Prokhorov were working together to create something called a “maser” which works on a similar principle as a laser and is for all intents a laser. Townes stumbled upon the same discovery at about the same time, which is why they shared the Prize. However, while Townes, despite his losses in court, still gets a majority of the credit for inventing the laser, Basov and Prokhorov remain unknown.
Wyatt Campbell
Reminder that the soviets had no food and if they did it was bad and it wasn't it was smuggled and if it wasn't they were high ranking party members and if they weren't it was a special occasion and if it wasn't… look, they just had no food, okay? Their military is insignificant, their transportation network was nothing important, their houses small, their tech stolen, their intellectuals dumber etc. etc. but somehow they were also such a huge threat to a bloc of countries which has historically been significantly more developed and was able to go toe to toe with them on a lot of things.
Anti-soviet platitudes are always so goddamn stale, they're more deceprit than Lenin's corpse. Just consider the state of the Russian Empire compared to the United States in 1917. The fact that the USSR managed to get close to parity on a lot of things is an insane achievement. They might not have won the game but they were playing on ultra hard against an easy mode player.
Thanks for referring to my post, but the one after from the person whose grandfather has actually flown in a Tupolev is much better as it gives an actual example of what I was trying to explain.
Kevin James
I put emphasis on
But you could also word it as:
and while Soviet Union lost the cold war it won the space race, and helped out a lot of countries in their national liberation struggles. Including helping to create and financing Indian Communist party which was the second most important party in Indians independence struggle.
Jacob Thomas
the AK-47 is not famous for being the first ever assault rifle retard.
Landon Nelson
If you want to see the Tupolev post it's in the Warsaw Pact thread:
Adam Hernandez
All these fucking /polyps ranting about genetic differences.
Genetics isn't even fucking real, it's a spook.
Lysenko was right don't @ me.
Sebastian Hill
You don’t have to worship every single aspect of the USSR’s policies, user
Matthew Harris
Bacteriophage technology. Viruses used to combat bacteria. Too bad the founder of the first institute established for this was killed by Beria for hitting on a girl he liked (whom he probably raped anyway).
Leo Smith
t. Zig Forumsyp concern troll
read gotha programme
Carson Gonzalez
Lysenko was right about vernalization though, and a pioneer of epigenetics. His biggest mistake was mixing science and politics. He wasn't great by any means but he's excessively smeared for being a soviet scientist.
What does the Gotha programme even have to do with it? Do you really think namedropping works unrelated to the discussion will prove your point?
Jonathan Parker
He wasn't completely right about vernalization, he thought that it could be inherited, which isn't true.
Still, I still haven't read an actual proof that his theories caused famines in the USSR, only [CITATION NEEDED].
Gabriel Jones
imagine being a "Lysenko was wrong" tier brainlet
Zachary Harris
James Long
"capitalism causes innovation" retards BTFO forever and always
Julian Young
Good stuff indeed, but nazis and other scum always boast about how it's all based on captured nazi prototypes
Ryan Scott
It's easily debunked, Flying wings, jet engines, rockets, forward facing wings etc. were being developed by the USSR, the Nazis and the USA at the same time. The USSR did test captured Nazi technology, but more to finish the studies the Nazis had started and see if they could improve their own tech using this knowledge.
Anthony Gomez
Another argument idiots can make is that Soviet science was based on ford factories(true story)
Chase Butler
The AK was better than the M16 that took many dollars, lives, and etc to be thrown into it.
Zachary Cooper
No really. It's really sad to compare the US MIC and the Soviet MIC. The Soviets straight off the bat made a working gun while the Americans started with one had no automatic fire (SAVE BULLETS THEY COST A LOT!!!!!!!!!), limited ammo (AMMO COSTS A LOT!!!!!!!), and plastic riflebutts that broke.
John Russell
It's sad and hilarious how the US's own military is evidence of how the public sector can blow free market competition out of the water. When the engineering nerds in America's armed forces made the weapons themselves, the results were elegant marvels like the M14; when the designs were outsourced, servicemen were stuck with fragile toys that had to be revised four times.
Dylan Rogers
Ford did make liscensed factories, but they basically only provided a basis of construction. Afterwards the progression of innovation was on soviet engineers.
By far the best article I've see on the AK and M-16:
>esquire.com
Tyler Gonzalez
Indeed, but problem is that zapadnyks (pro western Russians)are stupid. When Stalin hired Americans to do stuff, Stalin is bad. When Russian's professors are hired to teach in American unis, America is good.
Jose Parker
Yeah, its something cultivated by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and propagated onwards by the current regime, even while hypocritically using Soviet nostalgia for propaganda. It's truly ironic.
Logan Sanders
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Nathaniel Long
Is this thread dead because of the soviet Military thread?