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Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper

To reduce clutter and low-quality threads about China I'm going to start anchoring threads and redirecting to here instead. If the subject is important enough to warrant a separate thread (let's say, a thread discussing maoism) then feel free to do so.

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Angel Torres
Angel Torres

First for Deng. Communism by 2050

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Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

New Cultural Revolution soon, watch out Dengoids

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Adrian Martin
Adrian Martin

Maoist
supporting Deng
Pick 1

William Rivera
William Rivera

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Benjamin Rivera
Benjamin Rivera

corraling all discussion of the world's largest Socialist state into a single thread
What is this imperialism?
CHINA MUST GROW LARGER!

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

Maoist
not supporting Deng

Owen Reyes
Owen Reyes

This
youtu.be/UPH9iKpM-fk

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

CHINA MUST GROW LARGER
We will live in prosperity!

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

implying there will be an earth in 2050

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

praise xi fuck mao

Austin Jackson
Austin Jackson

The rock itself will be fine. The parasites on it's surface are all damned to hell.

Zachary Martinez
Zachary Martinez

Mao literally had him thrown in prison and called him a rightist wrecker.

Jonathan Howard
Jonathan Howard

Why? The only thing Deng changed is style of reforms.

Instead of the sweeping and radical decrees - testing them out small-scale and going from there.

Not a single thing he did was a policy he came up with himself during his tenure.

Carson Allen
Carson Allen

Go home, Gang of Four, you were shot

Jackson James
Jackson James

Too bad Deng wasn’t.

Nicholas Diaz
Nicholas Diaz

Not his fault he was a materialist and not an idealist

David Brown
David Brown

Was Stalin an idealist?

Wyatt Gonzalez
Wyatt Gonzalez

Dumping some stuff

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

do you have the Ismail /china/ reading list? anyone?

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

I don't. He always recommends this book though

Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

If you don't do everything like Stalin you're a capitalist roader
Ultra-left deviationists. All of you.

Asher Cox
Asher Cox

I didn’t suggest that. The point is that Stalin developed the productive forces without resorting to capitalism. Also resorting to capitalism (like Deng did) makes you a capitalist roader.

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

Stalin's government was very good. Macroeconomy was very good. Country rose from destruction of WW1 and civil war became second largest economy in the world with powerful industry, strong purchasing power, advanced science, high life expectancy,high birthrate and young,large educated population.
Problem is that Brezhnev era has proven that at certain point Stalinist model of economy that is focus on heavy full state control of the economy factories is not sustainable. Grasping the large, letting go of the small is perfect solution.

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Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

The Soviets were able to do that because the material realities in Russia at the time were different from China.
China in 1949 had less industry than Russia had in 1917 or even 1922 (For sources ill have to check my pdfs - I don't have them right here). For reference; when Chinese troops crossed into Korea, they weren't capable of producing even a single tank.
Likewise, they didn't have access to the world's largest reserves of energy resources. And what they did have, they had to share with more people.
From a foreign relations standpoint China was worse off than Russia after their respective civil wars ended: Unlike the USSR, there were were no nearby (willing) trading partners; China was a pariah and effectively under embargo, with most of the world only recognizing the ROC; Not that they had much to export, as China was even more impoverished than Russia.
For years they were able to secure a trickle of aid from the USSR - which itself was recovering from the fascist invasion, which had destroyed up to 70% of the urban areas west of the Urals.
Then, following the Sino-Soviet split the supply of Soviet investment and expertise dried up, and they were effectively on their own, only being recognized by the US in [b]1979.[/b]
This was also during the aftermath of the cultural revolution, which had upended China's fragile academia, and from which they were just beginning to recover.

It's against this backdrop that Deng and his allies decided to push for reforms that would let western investments and technology develop and modernize China.

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John Ward
John Ward

Using BB code on a mongolian basket weaving forum

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Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

2781879

This stupid joke only works on half chan because half chan is rip of japanese websites and was originally created for anime discussio. Zig Forums is ripp of reddit and was designed so that boards would be created by users, rather than any specific threads like anime in hafl chans case.

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

This stupid joke only works on half chan because half chan is rip of japanese websites and was originally created for anime discussio. Zig Forums is ripp of reddit and was designed so that boards would be created by users, rather than any specific threads like anime in hafl chans case.

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

Not saying this holds true for Deng but pointing at the fact he served in the Communist Party for a long time is a pretty weak defense, seeing as plenty of people who turned into opportunists and class traitors throughout the history of socialism had been involved for a long time prior to that.

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

Maybe, but Deng was member of communist party for thirty years before it took power in China. As did many other members of Chinese politburo during Deg's time, some even participated in the long march, and third of them including Deng studied communism in Moscow.
And so did Den'gs successor.

Point is that, since most of these people actually fought for communism and studied it excessively I am inclined to somewhat trust them.

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

8meme isn't run by a jap

Jordan Russell
Jordan Russell

Jim Watkins is not jap

Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

I understand the course of action Deng took from a rational standpoint but China is clearly not socialist, come on now.

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

So ahh what the fuck do they even do there? Do they have workplace democracy on any of their industries?

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

Nice screenshot. Here's some additional evidence.

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Noah Flores
Noah Flores

Alright here is a book called the battle for china's past about the Mao era and the two propaganda machines that are against it. Another book I haven't read yet but want to, and an article about the rate of profit in China as compared to the US and Japan.
Chuang is a good website to read although they don't post too often. I should say I'm also learning Chinese although I started not too long ago so I'm very much a newbie. Even though China is capitalist I still would love to work there.
Also I'm currently watching the film Mardi Gras: Made in China which is very sad so far. I watched A Touch of Sin last weekend, it was pretty good. A Touch of Sin can be pirated but Mardi Gras I could only find on Amazon.

I'm sure this thread will have a lot of BASED XI vs China is capitalist banter. I really don't understand Ismail's stance at all, he plainly admits there is a bourgeoisie, commodity production, labor market, reserve army of labor, private utilities, rich people in the CCP, etc, but still insists they are socialist. The Losurdo article I've seen referenced is literally neo-lib tier bs about markets being necessary for developing, China is in NEP, and a blatantly anti-marxist conception of "political capital" opposed to economic capital. Just because the government leases the land the businesses exploit workers on means its socialist? I don't see the logic.

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

(me)
Not to mention China's shitty foreign policy going back to the Vietnam war and the absolutely crucial role they play in sustaining global capitalism. Again, even if they are somehow deserving of the label socialist, they are responsible for providing the capitalists with massive amounts of cheap labor which they use for profits and selling cheap shit to placate the masses.
Also, nothing in Antiduhring, Critique of the Gotha Programme, Wages Price and Profit, or any other theory I've read offers a criteria of socialism that China even remotely fits. (Other than Leninist government with commie aesthetics.) Also The Governance of China has no value whatsoever

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

It has a capitalist economy in many spheres but to talk about “Chinese neoliberalism” as some Western Marxists like David Harvey is just asinine. I would say that China is something beyond even the semi-Georgist total industrial capitalism that Marx theorized as at least a possibility. True, Marx saw measures like state-control over land/rent as a likely necessity for capitalism to develop industrial agriculture to its utmost perfection but on the other hand, China has massive and significant social investment and planning.

There isn’t a Western government that handles investment in that way most OECD countries have 90% of the investment done by private entities. Hence, Michael Roberts points out the uselessness of Keynesianism in the aftermath of post-Keynesian studies showing how investment rather than consumption drives economies. The government can never spend enough, it can never cut enough gibs checks necessary to power an economy out of a dry spell while keeping production and investment in private hands. Quite frankly, the massive success that China has had should lead us to claim that socialism deserves at least some credit for it.

There is no real comparable political economy to what China has in the present world. Even when Keynesians talk about how Keynes “considered” socialized investment in a scattered way it was never more than pure theory. He also praised Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” which would give some indication of where his real theoretical proclivities laid.

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I don’t think that China has yet even reached the lower-stage of communism in its most primitive phase but to think that there isn’t an underlying socialist structural element in their economy is just ultra-left dogmatism. China would be more properly called an actual mixed economy instead of the capitalist welfare states that Western economists try to pass off as mixed economies when all the evidence flies in the face of that.

Jace Green
Jace Green

(me again)
So you guys don't have to pick through the book, here are some interesting quotes:

According to a Chinese official report (Yang Tao 2007), in a couple of years a large number of state-owned enterprises have been transferred to private owners. Many of the enterprise owners are actually state employers holding government managerial and professional positions, and the proportion of this group of enterprise owners rose from 33.8 per cent of the total in 2004 to 67.4 per cent in 2006. This huge transfer of wealth from the state to the private sector, unprecedented in human history and carried through quietly and almost unnoticed, has been largely beneficial to those who hold political power and have connections with the establishment. >According to one report, which claims to be based on official
research done jointly by the Research Office of the State Council, the Research Office of the Central Party School and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, 90 per cent of the more than 3,000 billionaires in China are the so-called ‘princelings’, sons and daughters of high-ranking party officials (Boxun 2006a).

When the mode of production is transformed, that is, when the
means of production are no longer publicly owned and when workers are no longer supposed to be the owners of these properties, the relationship between the trade unions and the state then become antagonistic. Deng saw clearly what the problems would be. So in 1980 he ordered the abolition of the Four Big Freedoms. In 1982 when the Chinese Constitution was amended, the clause of the Four Big Freedoms, together with the freedom to strike, was stricken out (Hu 2004).

During the SARS epidemic the Minister of Health was sacked and a policy of investing more in rural China was declared. To implement this new policy ‘the iron lady’, Vice-Premier Wu Yi, was assigned to act as health minister. Five billion RMB was allocated to implement preventive health measures in rural China. However, all of that money was eventually used in county and urban centres instead. It turned out that rural health clinics and facilities had all been privatized. The Ministry of Health, under Wu Yi, had no idea of how to allocate funding from the central government to private health businesses in rural China.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

(all me)

My research in the Gao Village area in the past two decades and
my recent research in Long Bow Village suggest that many rural
people think that even if China had retained its collective system they would have had the same kind of living standard as they have now.
Wang Jinhong, who served as the Party Secretary of Long Bow
Village from 1966 to 2003, had no doubt this when I interviewed him
in February 2005. He had built a huge and comfortable two-story
house during the 1980s, but he insisted that he would have done the same if Maoist policies had continued.
According to one research study in Henan province, some rural
people actually think they could have done even better, and for
everyone. The survey was carried out in a county that had above
average living standards at the time of research in 2000. Among the 200 questionnaires returned (out of 208), only 11 per cent agreed that living standards had gone up a lot since the reforms. In contrast, 55 per cent of the respondents thought that their standards of living had not gone up much, 11.5 per cent felt they had not risen at all, and 22.5 per cent stated that they were worse off since the reforms (Zhuo Yi 2003). Similarly, 41.5 per cent of them stated both that their living standard would have been more or less the same and the societal habits and customs (shehui fenqi) would have been much better if Maoist policies had continued. About 90 per cent of the respondents thought that in terms
of healthcare, agricultural mechanization, irrigation improvement and technical innovation, reform policies have made the situation worse.

The fact that rural Chinese did not possess this or that consumer
good in the past was not the fault of Mao, they would argue. The fact that they do have them now is not to Deng’s credit either, they would say. Some of these consumer goods were not even invented then. The fact that grain yields are higher now than those during the era of Mao was not because they had no incentive to work hard then, as suggested by economic rationalists. The land yields more now because chemicals are used more extensively and intensively.

As late as 1982, the then Premier Zhao Ziyang
(1982: 1260) declared that the socialist transformation of rural China into a collective system was necessary and absolutely correct. But a year later in 1983 the CCP issued a command to dismantle the collective system, ordered the rural organizations to change the collectivist name of commune to xiang (township – a term used in pre-1949 China) and distribute land among households even though many were opposed to this. Some resisted the pressure, and there are still around 2,000 villages that have kept the collective system; these include Liu Village and Nanjie in Henan, Huaxi in Jiangsu, Daqiu in Tianjin, Henhe and Doudian in Beijing, Zhouzhuang, Banbidian in Hebei, Honglin in Hubei, Houshi in Dalian, Yankou and Ronggui in Guangdong, Tengtou and Wanhai in Zhejiang

I'm trying to contribute as much as I can to this thread because I think it's a very important subject and is very interesting to me, and I'm genuinely curious what Dengists have to say.

Logan Lopez
Logan Lopez

Yeah I definitely don't agree with people who call the PRC a neoliberal hellhole, but these are quantitative differences. The fact that their loans to African countries are easier to pay off is the result of market competition, they can use that to undercut Western investors and gain a foothold where there wasn't one before. Same with the credit expansions, when the entire capitalist world goes into crisis, when you have a centralized authority like the CPC which is able to act rationally (unlike western countries which have competing bourgeois interests which stall the government at crucial times) they can respond to crises in a way that lets them come out stronger. Also, yes I agree that there is an underlying element, due to the remnants of the Mao era and the people in the country who are still struggling to advance class struggle.

Also the notion of developing the productive forces is textbook revisionism at best and capitalist roading at worst.

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

but these are quantitative differences.
I would say they are qualitative as well, of course, China is better off than some pro-Western neo-liberal kleptocratic Third World state but nominal wages are certainly worse than developed countries like Britain and the US that have long-standing neoliberal policy regimes. You brought up the fact that Chinese business-owners lease land from the government, for instance, although it was a popular idea in the 19th century I am not aware of any Western government that owns a major part or a majority of commercially-leased land. Singapore and possibly Hong Kong are the only Western-aligned states that I know of that even come close to the ideal of classical political economy in seeking a capitalist system that seeks to minimize ground-rent.

The fact that their loans to African countries are easier to pay off is the result of market competition,
Hoxha made similar arguments regarding Soviet and Chinese social-imperialism–I think this point broadly holds true.

On the other hand, I think there are aspects of the Leninist theory of Imperialism that maybe questionable. Generally, bank loans are less profitable than industrial enterprise, in fact, Marx defined profit of enterprise as gross-profit minus interest. I've thought many ways about it and a pure economic financial imperialism can exist in this sense.

Although a pure financial imperialism can exist I'm too tired to layout a thought experiment for it here in the main its practical political function is to break down barriers to trade, fdi, and profit expatriation.

A real world example: Germany only has one international bank of any significance (Deutsche Bank) the US government under both Obama and Trump have hit it with fines partially for wrong-doing and partially in a shadow trade-war between the two countries. It seems to me that control over currency and sovereign debt are the main weapons of German financial imperialism but these things are mainly tools to ensure big profits to big industrial firms via massive export-drives and not to line the pockets of bankers.

Chinese "imperialism" probably acts in a similar manner. But whether monopoly firms behave and operate in the way that Lenin theorized is unclear–Marx and Engels themselves are astonishingly vague on this point. Likewise, it isn't clear that small firms/medium firms are innocent of the charge of imperialism but I'm a bit too tired to get into that.

Lenin's empirical case was actually quite good in his time: gc.cuny.edu/CUNY_GC/media/CUNY-Graduate-Center/PDF/Centers/LIS/imperialism_forcirculation_3.pdf

But, what parts still apply is unclear. The biggest financial imperialists today (US, Britain) are actually net capital-importers. Third world kleptocrats for instance use the banking systems of both countries to store their ill-gotten gains away from the prying eyes and fingers of their own people. Detrimental as it maybe it isn't financial imperialism of the type that Lenin described. To my knowledge, China does not behave in this manner on a significant scale. Even the off-shore system in Hong Kong is an artifact of British colonialism still integrated into the British financial "spider-web"

Mainland China, ironically, imports capital from Hong Kong.

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Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

who is codemonkey

Wyatt Ward
Wyatt Ward

codemonkey is asian, but not Japanese, is he? I allways believed he is malaysian bourg kid or something like that

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people's material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People's Republic was that we didn't pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Poverty is not socialism, still less communism.

— Deng Xiaoping, speech discussing Marxist theory at a Central Committee plenum, 30 June 1984

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Aaron Clark
Aaron Clark

He doesn't explain how socialism is supposed to achieve the development of productive forces, he just says they are developing and calls it socialism. He - and his successors - never bothered to explain the difference of the "primary stage of socialism" and socialism proper, nor did he ever explain if his politics are just another NEP. Everything is see from the Chinese is vague and obsfucating, opens up more questions than answers, maybe deliberately so.

Joseph White
Joseph White

post this in the warsaw pact thread too

William Butler
William Butler

Gucci communism is the way of the future.

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Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

OH NO-NO-NONONONNONONONONONONN
nytimes.com/2019/01/09/health/obesity-china-coke.html
A life sciences institute funded by Coca-Cola and other multinational beverage and snack companies even has offices inside the government’s health ministry

Gavin Hernandez
Gavin Hernandez

Detrimental as it maybe it isn't financial imperialism of the type that Lenin described.
in later marxist historiography of the post-war period (perhaps even earlier, as i'm not well informed) these would be called the comprador class which are natives that cooperate with the imperial countries to siphon off wealth from their country while taking a class for themselves.

Joseph Price
Joseph Price

Why doesn't China attempt to make any of their own designer brands?

Henry Gray
Henry Gray

china has tons of knock offs of every thing. A lot of people only pay for the brand, thought. Marketing is everything.

Xavier Cox
Xavier Cox

China bad
New York Times
not a single single shred of evidence for the relation they keep claiming exists over 2 pages
anecdots from U.S. lobbying

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

"Now, the only thing I have managed to keep as a hobby is
reading, which has become my way of life. Reading invigorates my mind, gives
me inspiration and cultivates my moral force." -Xi Jinping

Just wanted to remind you all to read.

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Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

Now we know for certain that he isn’t a Maoist

Hudson Reyes
Hudson Reyes

kek

Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

😂👌💯

Ian White
Ian White

I don't get the joke

Jaxson Sanders
Jaxson Sanders

Mao has a quote saying reading too much is bad

Alexander Johnson
Alexander Johnson

You guys realize that quote is terribly taken out of context and it's not really what he meant?

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

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Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

Tell me whatever you want,but I dont see China defeating USA by GDP measures. China's economy today is much less developed relative to Japan's in 1989. It is not easy to compare economies over different periods of time but the best method for me has been to look at per capita GDP (PPP-adjusted) relative to the U.S. In 1989, Japan's per capita GDP was roughly 80% of the U.S. (this would peak two years later at around 85%). In 2015, China's per capita GDP is only roughly one-fifth of the U.S. Even if we ignore the less well-off interior and look at prosperous Guangdong province, its per capita GDP comes out to only around one-third.
If China's economy is less developed than Japan in 1989 how China can overcome USA by today's standarts?

Oliver Lewis
Oliver Lewis

Tell me whatever you want,but I dont see China defeating USA by GDP measures
But they already did. They're the biggest economy by PPP and on their way to surpass them in nominal GDP. If the US has a crash and China doesn't it could happen within a decade.
The comparison with Japan is nonsensical since China's population is significantly larger. They only need 1/4th of the USA's GDP per capita (nominal) to surpass them.

Jaxon Parker
Jaxon Parker

Furthermore China is very technologically advanced nuclear powered space exploring country. Thank uncle Joe for that.

Ryder Davis
Ryder Davis

I forgot mention by nominal but whatever, Zig Forums respects my personal opinion,right?

Adam Fisher
Adam Fisher

This is kind of a known unknown since America seems to be on the verge of shitting the bed.

Jonathan Lee
Jonathan Lee

verge
Have you seen the DOW thread, my nigga?
America IS in the shit rn

Easton Perry
Easton Perry

Yeah I just mean whether the impact turns out to be 2008 or Great Depression tier remains to be seen. It's not looking good for them though.
I wonder if Trump is such a dumbass that he doesn't realise that the shutdown is going to exacerbate it massively or if he's been told of exactly what's around the corner and intends on going full dictator.

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

As per Marx: (From German Ideology)
Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.
China is socialist not because it's some sort of classless utopia, but because it's policies - mainly in the field of economic autarchy, and elevating the living standards of the Chinese people - are vital to abolishing the present state of things.
Without advanced productive forces able to satisfy local demand it's impossible to abolish the key force underlying capitalism; commodity production.
This is in contrast to reactionary states like Russia, the US, the EU, etc. and - nowadays - Brazil which have vested interests in reinforcing the existing global system of economic specialization, finance capital and the exploitation of surplus value. Likewise, each of those states have (With the exception of Brazil until now) - in recent years - handed over control of their respective economies to oligarchs and other capitalist interests, often under the guise of austerity. With detrimental effects to the workers in those countries.

Contrast this to China where the Communist Party not only continues to control the commanding heights of the economy, but has actually expanded this control in recent years. All while livings standards continue to soar, and income inequality (both regional and between rural and urban regions) continues to decrease,
That said, I'm not arguing that everything the CPC does is socialist, or that there is no class conflict and corruption, or that they're somehow altruists and not acting in their own class interests as nomenklatura.

GDP per capita isn't everything. China's economy today has already surpassed Japan (1989) in terms of raw industrial output and infrastructure.
China has extreme unequal development, in that it's coastal regions are roughly on par with the rest of East Asia (bar pollution), but it's rural regions are lagging - sometimes decades - behind the rest of the country.

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Brody Kelly
Brody Kelly

Do anyone here learn Mandarin?
I have 憂鬱 btw

Jaxon Brooks
Jaxon Brooks

actually looking up to China
Is this supposed to be a comedy?

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

Where we should look up to? R*java?

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

If everything is shit, then it's shit. You aren't going with this "oh, maybe this one is a bit less shitty" mentality.

Dominic Gray
Dominic Gray

我做
but I just started recently

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

We shouldn't 'look up' to anything or anyone. Rojäva is an example of people organising themselves in a socialist manner based on their conditions. It is what we must all do after the revolution. Socialism in the US would look very different to socialism in Uganda, for example. Rojäva is a great case study and we can see what works and what doesn't, but it doesn't need to be a guide in any sense of the word.

Cooper Martinez
Cooper Martinez

rojava is a great case study in how to carve out a kurdish zion in syria with the aid of the US. it isn't socialist at all
china should in fact be looked up to for opposing imperialism and pulling millions of people out of poverty

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

if the US has a crash and China doesn't
Literally not possible with global supply chains

Gabriel Wright
Gabriel Wright

Revolutionary People's Wars my man

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Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

China is an authoritarian commie shithole with concentration camps and no free speech

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

opposing imperialism
WRONG anti-imperialism.org/2018/09/21/china-a-modern-social-imperialist-power-cpimaoist/

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

China past 1976
commie

Michael Martinez
Michael Martinez

the USSR's government was made by Stalin

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Jason Peterson
Jason Peterson

wow what a useless article that doesn't say anything

Ethan Gutierrez
Ethan Gutierrez

Open the pdf, it's 30 pages you dumbo

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

Rojäva is an example of people organising themselves in a socialist manner based on their conditions
Rojäva is a great case study
Cant tell you are serious or not

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

我也爱学说中文。

Christian Anderson
Christian Anderson

bump to remind people to stop making separate chinese threads

Angel Gray
Angel Gray

Reposting links from another thread

business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-chinas-most-dangerous-export-is-anti-market-ideology-and-were-buying-it

washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/if-only-nixon-could-go-to-china-could-only-trump-import-socialism

Porky's scared.

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

They think the guy who let Vietnam become communist would stop china from doing so?

Parker Powell
Parker Powell

I have to see anyone adequately explain to me what's so bad about commodity production in socialist states.

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

It's more than just commodity production, the point of socialism is that labor isn't a commodity and production is done according to need instead of exchange. If China's commodity production was limited to shit like video games then it wouldn't matter, but it isn't limited. I guess its the problem of a quantitative change becoming a qualitative one - some people think the commanding heights meme and one party rule means they are still socialist

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

This. That dwarf is a prime example of reactionary revisionism

Thomas Carter
Thomas Carter

we will not do to chairman Mao what Krushchev did to Stalin
Right. Instead of talking down on him he and his friends fell for the exact sugar coated bullets Mao warned china about and completely abandoned even the tiniest socialist policies and went full fascist instead. They "honor" Mao by doing the exact oposite of what he and communists wanted but without blaming him for anything to keep themselves legitimate

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Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

Chinese Scientist May Face Death Penalty in China for Gene-Editing Babies

gizmodo.com/chinese-scientist-who-created-crispr-babies-could-face-1831553751
bgr.com/2019/01/07/he-jiankui-armed-guard-punishment/
businessinsider.com/timeline-chinese-scientist-claims-crispr-babies-2019-1
anarchimedia.com/2019/01/08/scientist-may-face-death-penalty-in-china-for-gene-editing-babies/
zmescience.com/science/news-science/death-penalty-chinese-scientist-04233/
dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/752233/

The scientist who edited the genes of embryos implanted in a patient via IVF treatment and reportedly created the world’s first genetically edited babies could face the death penalty in China, his colleagues have warned. He Jiankui was placed under investigation after he released videos, claiming to have used gene-editing technology for seven couples in fertility treatments to provide their children with genetic resistance to HIV infection.

The Chinese researcher, who used to be an Associate Professor at Southern University of Science and Technology, in Shenzhen, used CRISPR gene-editing technology to modify live embryos. The procedure allegedly modified the CCR5 gene in such a way as to potentially make the offspring resistant to HIV. Instead of destroying the embryos, per research guidelines in China, He Jiankui and associates planted the embryos in surrogate mothers and allowed the pregnancy to follow through, resulting in the birth of twin baby girls. The birth has not been independently confirmed or documented in a peer-reviewed journal, but respectable researchers with access to some of He’s work say in all probability the work was carried through

He could face both corruption and bribery charges which carry the death penalty in China. Reports say he is being guarded at a state-owned apartment in Shenzhen. After his claims last November, the Chinese government moved in and stopped his research, but not until his patient had given birth to twin girls, Lulu and Nana.

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Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

So what is the primary reason China is against this? Circumventing ethics or spooked out their mind?

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

Designer babies made by the rich

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

I still think Dengoids should be decapitated btw

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Dengoids
Communists with Dengoid characteristics*

Levi Green
Levi Green

A new law aims to stop the booing of China’s national anthem
“ARISE! ARISE! ARISE! Millions of hearts with one mind,” go the lyrics of China’s national anthem, “The March of the Volunteers”. Yet many people in Hong Kong are not of one mind with China’s government. The territory has been a part of China since Britain handed over the former colony in 1997. But its football fans routinely boo and turn their backs when the Chinese anthem is played. At pro-democracy protests, a few people sometimes even wave the British colonial flag. Some youngsters are also beginning to demand greater independence from China.
The Communist Party in Beijing has responded as it always does when confronted: by flexing its muscles. It engineered the expulsion of six localists from Legco. It cheered the local government’s decision last year to ban a pro-independence group and expel a British journalist who had had the temerity to invite the group’s leader to speak at an event. Now, at the party’s behest, Hong Kong is preparing to introduce a law that would punish those who deliberately insult the national anthem with up to three years in jail and a stiff fine (see article).
archive.fo/m6JBA
what do you think? should the CPC being doing stuff like this?

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Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

==WHY BLACK MAN NO STAN== tier.

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

Good Night Sparrow Pride

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

This is just a rewriting of another article it refers to (The Economists does this a lot I've noticed) which states (with no sources) that this law will be voted on on the 23rd. I'll wait until then to decide if it's real or not.
Does anyone else think it's suspicious how the muslim camps stories have toned down?

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

More imperialist astroturfed "protesting" against the lawful Chinese government.

Adrian Peterson
Adrian Peterson

get these 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧george soros🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 paid actors what they deserve
>inb4 replies not getting the joke

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Mfw. People in Hong Kong had less democratic rights under the Crown then under the current PRC’s control.

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Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

At this point. China must revive its Confucian, meritocratic values, otherwise consumerism and selfishness will continue to take hold.
Sadly, thanks to the Cultural Revolution and individualism from the West, selfishness and a lack of moral responsibility has taken over China.

Nolan Stewart
Nolan Stewart

they toned down because nobody gave a shit about a state atheist country enforcing the law lol

Leo Foster
Leo Foster

they're still pretty confucian though

Zachary Diaz
Zachary Diaz

Confucianism is reactionary garbage. Also the Cultural Revolution was a good thing that should not only be praised but replicated in future socialist revolutions.

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

we shouldnt have to look backwards for a viable social arrangement. It's like saying Europe should go back to Christianity.
It clearly said he violated research ethics, I guess it's just a breach they take very seriously since they let actual humans get born.
I have to see anyone adequately explain to me what's so bad about commodity production ftfy
freeze peach
'freedom of speech just watch what you say'

Brandon Perez
Brandon Perez

Based
Hong Kongoids are the Gusanos of the East

They already have
The average Chinese citizens income has much more purchasing power (Much more important then the straight up amount of money each earns) then an American citizens at this point

David Ward
David Ward

China must revive its Confucian … values
Confucianism is superstitious idealism. The Cultural Revolution didn't go far enough imo
Also
Selfishness
Nothing wrong with that. The socialist struggle springs from rational self-interest. Without it, you're left with utopian idealism.
This.

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Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

gusanos of the east
They are much worse than that.

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Asher James
Asher James

Here is a very comprehensive and fairly recent book on exactly the structure and changes of the Chinese economy. You can see a huge drop off in 1980, which has continued, in the total share of output of SOEs in the economy. Even if SOEs themselves constituted a socialist sector, (which, mind you, the author does believe), then the "socialist" sector is smaller than that of welfare capitalist states. There is a short list in the appendix of the reforms, for any Dengist who wants to say that they just continued what Mao did.

Michael Walker
Michael Walker

HAPPENINGS IN CHINA
twitter.com/suxinPL/status/1083825757263224833
twitter.com/hongxianfeng/status/1083898462146519040
twitter.com/hongxianfeng/status/1083929580921008129
twitter.com/fduyuyture65/status/1084014755239481344

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

Translations(Via the TSA bitch)
[Golden Lake tonight]
Jinhu County, Huai'an City, Jiangsu Province, has used vaccines that have expired for 6 years for children. Covering the city's 21,000 children under the age of 14.
The parents finally stopped silent and went to the streets to protest. They used to be "staying quietly" and "not talking about state affairs"…
A few special police officers from the Huai'an city, the special police began to hit people.
It is rumored that Li Keqiang went to Jinhu tonight.
[Continuing Events] The fire of the stars can be punished. Under the dictatorship of the CCP, any fire of the stars may ignite the trend of the country. The people of Jinhu County have a fierce conflict with the black dog that came to suppress it. Listen to the angry cry of the masses. At this moment, I sent these tweets with tears…..[Later] At present, Jinhu County has been armed with martial law and the people have been suppressed…

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

holy fuck this is some next level boot licking

Adam Hill
Adam Hill

What will happen is that Beijing will decapitate the local officials, let a bunch of new ones take their roles and people will thank them for it. Protest in china is almost directed at local officials, never at the central government or party.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

inb4 people wanting vaccines are actually CIA agents.

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

The amount of enterprises that are or aren't organised into SOE's does not make or not make a state socialist
What makes a state socialist is when it has achieved a economy for the development of society necessary to bring about communism (Socialism)

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

What makes a state socialist is when it has achieved a economy for the development of society necessary to bring about communism (Socialism)

So the USA is Socialist?

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

The US Goverment unlike china is not a dictatorship of the Proletariate and the economy is not geared towards the purpose of establishing Communism so no

Brandon Fisher
Brandon Fisher

The US Goverment unlike china is not a dictatorship of the Proletariate and the economy is not geared towards the purpose of establishing Communism so no

The USA is already the number one nation. All that needs to done is for someone who is a Commie to seize control of it. The USA has had like 300 years worth of Capital put into it.

You know, the the USN could be cut by 2/3s and no enemy nation invade, the US Marine cut by half and the US Army by 7/8ths and the Airforce by 1/3rd. So amazingly enough, the US military could survive an explicit hardcore, political purge on a massive scale.

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

I agree the US would likely have a very easy time transitioning to a Socialist economy and (Once Capitalism has lost its global hegemon) Communism

But that Dosent change the fact that the US in its current state has a capitalist economy and a political system entirely dominated by the capitalist class

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

So in what way are they socialist? Simply because their party says so?

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

If you're argument is that they have a communist party in charge and therefore increased production must be "building socialism", the last Congress was only 13.42% workers and farmers.

npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/news/Focus/2013-02/27/content_1759084.htm

Robert Fisher
Robert Fisher

slightly different figures on page 21 here but the trend is clearly visible

Oliver Sullivan
Oliver Sullivan

Because the PRC operates politically within the framework of a dictatorship of the Proletariate and economically under a Model of socialism

The article that you linked itself states that the representation of all groups of Chinese society (Including workers and farmers) is increasing in the NPC
It also shows that members of the NPC are still mainly workers and farmers directly and members of the CCP disproving the notion that china is "Governed by oligarchs"

James Ward
James Ward

So barely more than 10% is "mainly"? And no the largest demographic that was increasing was party members, which is separate from workers/farmers in that apparently anyone, including Jack Ma, can be one. By that logic, the US Senate is mainly workers and farmers, since Bernie Sanders was a carpenter, and I'm sure you could find at least one other person with a wagie background. Also,
operates politically within the framework of a dictatorship of the Proletariate and economically under a Model of socialism
Expand on this.

Adrian Gomez
Adrian Gomez

China
DotP
I think Ismail made this point as well, but I'm not really seeing it.
Most people in the People's Congress aren't farmers and workers, and I have yet to see this be the case for local governments.
Now I'm not a Trot, but bureaucrats really do share a different relation to the MoP than workers/farmers, even if they're vital to the operation of the state.
Not that it prevents China from being socialist however.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

lrb.co.uk/v41/n01/billy-beswick/short-cuts
According to a report published by the Peking University Marxist Society, canteen staff work up to 14 hours a day, six days a week, with one day off taken as two half-days. According to the report, they are not paid for all the hours they work, and, in at least three canteens, the majority of workers have no social insurance
Most of them come from the surrounding provinces and moved to Beijing looking for work. They live in group dormitories underground.
letter cited the report as an example of the society’s contribution to campus life, and referred to its active support for workers’ rights on campus. As well as canteen staff, the PKU Marxists have supported the construction workers who staged a protest in 2015 to demand unpaid wages. But as they noted, it isn’t only university staff who have to deal with unfair labour conditions: ‘If the situation is like this even within the walls of a university, how ruthless must the outside world appear when its mask of compassion and harmony is removed.’
A group of fifty Marxist student activists were detained in August after demonstrating in support of migrant workers at the Jasic Technology factory in Shenzhen, where there had been protests when several workers were detained and beaten after campaigning to set up a union independent of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, which has close ties to the Communist Party and to which all unions must be affiliated. The employees complained of poor working conditions and low wages, which weren’t always paid in full; they also said that the company had not paid the proper amount into their social insurance schemes.
The PKU Marxist Society in the end succeeded in reregistering for the new semester, but when students formed a group to investigate the disappearance of 22 student activists from five cities over one weekend in mid-November, they were called to a meeting with their parents and told they shouldn’t pursue the matter. Friends tell me there has been a discernible difference in the atmosphere on campus since, and security has increased.
The crackdown on migrant workers and their student allies is not surprising. The China Labour Bulletin, a labour rights organisation based in Hong Kong, lists nearly three thousand instances of collective action taken by workers in China since January 2017.

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Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

Theirs literally zero things that make sure that the Chinese officials aren't bought out by the capitalist class, i.e Jack Ma joining the CP and don't transition to communism.

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

*there's holy shit im illiterate

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

bump

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

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Owen Price
Owen Price

Why does it seem China trying so hard to undermine European imperialism/capitalism in Africa while ignoring American imperialism in Latin America? Seems like disrupting American super profit extraction should be a higher priority.

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Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

起来

Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

According to the Peking Unoversity Marxist society
Discarded
Ultra-group acting as unwitting pawns of imperialism

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

Hurr durr you can't criticise anything from a marxist perspective if they carry a red flag

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

You can critique without acting as a blatant tool of Imperial interests in advocating the destruction of the Marxist party

Ayden Harris
Ayden Harris

Well, in my country there is a lot of chinese «investment». In mines,mines and also mines.Our biggest buyer of commodities is PRC and if they slow down…we crash. So much that the pro-market president that was deposed didn't go to USA first like a good vassal,but China.

Chase Watson
Chase Watson

all who oppose the dengist hellscape are imperialists

Brandon Thomas
Brandon Thomas

How muslims are treated in China?
Is it really that bad or just propaganda?

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

Muslims are treated fine.
Uiggers are currently in gulags but let's remember how nice gulags were

Oliver Peterson
Oliver Peterson

Emotional arguement
Discarded

There is literally no evidence of the "Muh millions of Chinese Muslims thrown into concentration camps" shit

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

China is doing social imperialism but there is also a lot of western backed fundamentalists.
Are there any leftist uyghur anti-imperialists?

Zachary White
Zachary White

Happy Lunar new year!

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

english.gov.cn/premier/speeches/2018/10/18/content_281476350372342.htm
dengists explain yourselves

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Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

Socialism with """""Chinese Characteristics"""""

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

China must reject the capitalist practice of producing shoddy disposable goods, which is wasteful and a disservice to consumers. They should build only for optimal product lifetime, and consider it a form of economic development.

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

China is a developing country that had 750 million people living in below the international poverty line and over 1 billion people below the lower middle income line less than 30 year ago. Those numbers have reduced 99%.

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

But that would reduce profits

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

Is anyone in a maoist org?
what are RCP meetings like?

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Christian Green
Christian Green

新年快乐!

Bentley Davis
Bentley Davis

what is the pacific ocean

china has pakistan, djibouti, and possibly sri lanka & myanmar in the direction of africa. it has nothing in the other direction

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

China will stay committed to advancing reform. Reform is the fundamental driver of China’s development. China will only speed up its market-oriented reforms. We will not slow down the pace of reform, let alone turn back. The Chinese government will continue to streamline administrative approval procedures, provide more efficient services, and slash the time required to start a business, get a permit or go through customs clearance. We will introduce tax cuts on a bigger scale and meaningfully lower fees, including the social security contribution rate. The reform to transform state-owned enterprises (SOEs) into standard companies and joint-stock companies has been basically completed. China’s SOEs, many of which are publicly listed, run their operations in an open and transparent manner. It is entirely up to them to make their own business decisions, and they are responsible for any profits or losses. They do not enjoy any special subsidies.

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

Continued efforts will be made to deepen the reform of SOEs and state-owned assets, including mixed-ownership reform in a tiered and category-based manner. Foreign investors are welcome to participate in the reforming and restructuring of Chinese SOEs. We will work for greater transparency in government regulations, ordinances and standards at all levels and higher consistency and predictability in policy execution. A level-playing field will be resolutely enforced. All companies registered in China will receive fair and equal treatment.

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Hunter Lewis
Hunter Lewis

how will /marx/ justify this

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Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

Made-in-China diamonds ready to rock global market
rt.com/business/450869-china-diamonds-global-market/
Unlike naturally occurring diamonds, which form over the course of billions of years, synthetic diamonds are made in a matter of weeks.

Chinese companies have mastered the technologies to manufacture them en masse within a short period of time. The products are practically indistinguishable from those mined from earth.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

Lmao, De Beers porkies and African warlords on suicide watch!

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

Isn't that place polluted to high hell?

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

I want to believe that comrade Jinping has a master plan up his sleeve, and the current presence of capitalism in china is just a smokescreen.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Kevin Ross
Kevin Ross

Can Jin be my wife? thx.

I would also slam the other girl that looks like a dude if she smells nice

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

If he was it would all but disprove historical materialism.

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

How so?

Angel Hill
Angel Hill

He does. Xi has made it abundantly clear that he intends to honor China's Marxist-Leninist heritage and begin the shift out of the primary stage of socialism. It will all happen in due time. China needs to use state capitalism for the time being to stay alive and develop in this capitalist-dominated world. Once they become the world's largest economy and the US empire collapses they will finally be in the position to spread Marxism-Leninism and expedite the development of nations all over the world.

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Elijah Ross
Elijah Ross

I just listened to the episodes of David Harvey's podcast about China yesterday and it really made me think that Deng was necessary for China's development. China has achieved unbelievable progress since the reforms. He explained how China solved the unemployment crisis brought about by the financial collapse by investing a shit ton in construction and infrastructure development. He stated that China used more cement in the years following the 2008 economic crisis alone than the United States did in the past century. Now that China's economy is incredibly advanced and developed, they can finally start looking forward to the socialist future they intended to build since the beginning. Harvey mentioned how China is taking technological and scientific advancement very seriously, especially AI. He also pointed out that the point of AI is to reduce and eliminate the need for labor, which seems to imply that China intends to focus on reducing labor in the future. In the next decade or so, China will likely be in the place that the US is in now; writing the rules of the world economy. Once they occupy that place, they'll be able to spread Marxism-Leninism like the US spreads neoliberalism. Despite the resounding success of Deng's reforms, I really do wish they could have been a decent amount more fair to the workers and kept the influence of the NEPmen Porkies down to a more reasonable extent, but Xi is doing that now. Anyway, I really think Mao's dream of China playing its historical role in the development of socialism is going to come true.

Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

I just listened to the episodes of David Harvey's podcast
link, dumbdumb

Brandon Price
Brandon Price

I found it through an email from Richard Wolff's organization.
democracyatwork.info/acc
Listen to "The Significance of China in the World Economy" first, and then the more recent one. He gives a good explanation of the rationale and context of Deng's decision to open up China's economy and talks about the remarkable progress China has made since then.

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

Deng was a plain criminal, he allied with US imperialism and destroyed the Iron Rice Bowl.
David Harvey is a revisionist retard.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

t.cia agent

Jason Lopez
Jason Lopez

Now hold the fuck on. Wasn't Harvey arguing that Deng was a literal neoliberal in his book about neoliberalism?

I mean not that I expect anything consistent from that confused dude.

Ethan Howard
Ethan Howard

I mean, I really wanna believe that China is doing all this stuff with automatisation and labour time reduction to go full socialism but honestly it's a bit idealistic, isn't it? CPC city governeurs built empty apartment buildings for fucks sake to keep their GDP growth up. This housing crisis there contradicts any claim that the CPC cares about material indicators when it comes to growth. Even if Xi is serious about Marxism, it's a dance on the razors edge. What if the next generation after Xi, who is the last generation that got his education in the Mao and early Deng era, will think that socialism is traditional Chinese community values and Han nationalism? Because many Chinese already do that.

Ryder Morgan
Ryder Morgan

Has Xi ever even remotely or faintly try to define what he means by Marxism-Leninism?! Because his book says nothing about it and neither do his speeches. Even the official Chinese party journals don't properly define those terms even in the most basic way.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

Deng literally helped the CIA.

Benjamin Martin
Benjamin Martin

The Marx anime is approved by the CPC Propaganda bureaus for promoting Marxism and so far it doesn't neglect any of Marx ideas.

God, I would never think I could use a Chinese anime as a source for this, but I think that it shows to a great extend how Marxist theory is tolerated in China.

Lucas Carter
Lucas Carter

I'm not betting on China doing shit for anywhere on Earth other than China's bourgeoisie

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

Because it would suggest that the political leadership of a country could hold an ideology and protect a set of interests that are incompatible with their mode of production. This may be possible in the short term, as we saw with the Bolsheviks and the NEP, but not for 40 years. Especially when there are plenty of literally bourgeois (as in own businesses and exploit workers) party members, some in positions of leadership or influence. Xi himself is worth hundreds of millions and possibly billions.

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

US pressuring Canada and Germany to ban Huawei

rt.com/business/450990-canada-huawei-ban-us/

Canada, like several other countries, is considering banning tech giant Huawei amid fears that future 5G networks could be used for spying by Chinese intelligence.

The US and its allies have already shunned Huawei and is pressuring Canada to do the same for security reasons.

At the same time, China is Canada's second largest trading partner after the United States and Beijing has threatened retaliation if the Chinese tech giant is banned.

rt.com/news/450999-germany-huawei-5g-us-china/

Washington seeks to enforce its China policy upon its allies, a German industry union head has said in a rare remark. He warned that conceding to Washington’s demand to ban the Chinese giant Huawei would be harmful for Germany.

The US wants its allies in Europe and elsewhere to ban Huawei from taking part in developing the latest generation of 5G mobile networks on their territories.

The US might “be tempted to use its economic might to enforce its own sanctions on others,” Kempf said, adding that the approach contradicts the very idea of “free, rules-based international trade,” which Europe cherishes.

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Jason White
Jason White

forcing western states to buy overpriced shitty hardware just to stave off the inevitable for a few years

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Luis Clark
Luis Clark

I wish i know what its really all about.
Obviously the spying thin is just an excuse otherwise the US wouldn't be trying so hard to enforce a ban everywhere.
Seems like some sort of bully move Trump likes to do. But what for?

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

Uh, did the CNN say that (chinese politician) is an ebill billionare?

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

It's about technological superiority: it is the 21st century equivalent of banning musket exports to African states.

Josiah Reed
Josiah Reed

The intelligence agencies are lazy fucks. Letting Chinese tech-coms company spread across the world (or any other non-US controlled) make it harder for them to spy, and control foreign flow of information. They can't just ask the CEO of Huawei to put backdoor in their products like they do with Western companies. They aren't exactly lying when they say that it's for US defence, if the US offensive capacity against your country are limited, you're being a danger to their hegemony.

Easton Taylor
Easton Taylor

Reddit is going fucking apeshit with anti-chinese bashing because a chinese company invested on their platform, and that apparently means Reddit is supporting chinsese sensorship or something, so better start screeching about Tiananmen, Tibet and Taiwan.

Could also be a deliberate propaganda campaing considering how easy their shitty site is to manipulate. Considering the lies around Huawei and the chinese muslims currently being used to stir anti-China sentiment in the west it's not that far-fetched.

youtube.com/watch?v=6SAkUs3urrg

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Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

All the articles we're reading now are just the tip of the iceberg. Best brace yourself for the impending cringe of the Third Red Scare.

Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

Falun Gong
yikes

Isaiah Martin
Isaiah Martin

The anti-China xenophobia on Reddit is absolutely insane. Reddit is such a fucking fascist website.

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

Yeah it's fucking stupid. Called someone out the other day in the breadtube sub for not having a fucking clue what he was talking about, he admitted it, but still got upvoted because they're all retards and liked the sound of his nonsense.

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

What irks me the most is the stuff about Taiwan, most of the comments seem oblivious to the fact that the conflict between PRC and ROC is not about about a country named Taiwan wanting indepence from PRC, but both claiming to be the legitimate goverment of all of China. Its like they pretend to be experts on the issue when they know nothing about chinese history.

Jaxon Roberts
Jaxon Roberts

I don't really see much about Taiwan tbh, just a load of moronic identitarians crying about muh brocialists no matter how unrelated. Some sperg was trying to pin the antics of their retarded radlib comrades wrt AngieSpeaks on the eternal brocialist yesterday - OBSESSED.
Worst are the people that get BTFO and downvote you the moment you've stumped them. Go read a book you little faggot. This is why leftypol was superior because people would get bullied for being total brainlets and other brainlets had no way to back them up if you'd stumped them too.

Sad that I'm pretty dumb by leftypol standards but smarter than like 95% of leftyreddit.

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

muh "occupation" of Tibet
Under the seventeen point agreement of 1951, the Tibetan government actually remained in place under China. The aristocracy launched an imperialist backed revolt in 1959 in an attempt to preserve the system forever. After this, the Tibetan government was declared illegal and fully annexed by China, bringing about the end of feudalism, serfdom and theocracy in the region. Serfs were burning their feudal contracts and dancing in the streets.
Tibet was freed with the aid of the People's Liberation Army.

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Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

based and redpilled

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Carter James
Carter James

You guys are on to something here. Bees portal from our nationally owned media firm are running a small, but first page article about Chinese spies in Brussels (Brussels is crawling with Chinese and Russian spies is the title).

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

Bees=news

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

I was talking more about reddit morons in general not just breadtube

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

"Breadtube" is the most cringe shit ever though, it's people like Peter Coffin, NonCompete or ThoughtSlime - all absolutely unbearable!

I mean I'm a Maoist but I'd never join into this radlib propaganda about China or call it a "Hitlerite" dictatorship like some Maoists do on Twitter.

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

ThoughtSlime annoys me on the basis his shitty talking character is CalArts reject tier but there's like two frames of animation, his voice is annoying too. Not tried anything else, but breadtube just seems to be total shit in general.
Honestly I think I just hate the internet in general at this point.

Liam Baker
Liam Baker

I'm listing some good subs, and channels, that aren't sectarian(all approaches are flawed)/LARPish, or liberal (polite sage, as this derails the thread a bit)
BadMouseProductions
youtube.com/channel/UCFEmOPY04flXH-QpMMAGeJA
Philosophy Tube
youtube.com/user/thephilosophytube
Three Arrows (Criminally underrated)
youtube.com/channel/UCCT8a7d6S6RJUivBgNRsiYg
Finnish Bolshevik
youtube.com/channel/UCCvdjsJtifsZoShjcAAHZpA
r/stupididpol
reddit.com/r/stupidpol/

I apologize if this gets a bit text wallish, but I need to get this off my back.
We all agree the D.S.A is fucking stupid, and has colonized Chapotraphouse. But identity politics is not bad, per se (think Rainbow coalition). We need to draw a line (i.e find a correct term) between liberal idpol, and uniting the working class, under one banner, yet acknowledging capitalism's tendency to make excuses for exploitation.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

When you try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to try to draw a line between the good idpol and the bad idpol but the retards can't tell the difference so you move onto the next space to-

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

No, reality says that. Nobody is even trying to deny it.

Samuel Edwards
Samuel Edwards

Man bad mouse really looks like a man now. I remember when he looked like a skinny teen twink. Is this what taking the ☭TANKIE☭ pill does to the male body?

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Like Chavez family has billions? And Kim family eating human flesh?

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

Mao was right again:
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it.

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Anthony Watson
Anthony Watson

These people unironically parrot cartoonish propaganda. Imagine thinking that the Chinese drove over defenseless crowds of civilians with tanks and turned them into "meat pie" and hosed the remains down the drains, this inbetween murdering mothers clutching their infants and bayonetting teenagers. Imagine reading that sentence and accepting it as fact without thinking even twice about it.

America is hopeless tbh.

Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

There still is the liberal/socdem party in Taiwan that opposes the KMT and advocates more independence.

Nathaniel Nguyen
Nathaniel Nguyen

unironic oriental scientologist cult sucked off by western liberals
anti-democracy
ant-miscegenation
anti-modern medicine
rational wiki has a whole list

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Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

china.org.cn/arts/2015-05/13/content_35559604.htm
the rcp shows up in a protest

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

Russia was a shithole up until the 90's. Gorbachev thought the supermarkets in America were dressed up to be so full of food. Find someone who lived through the communist bullshit and ask them how the food lines were, how empty the stores were. Get first hand knowledge and then think critically about how Socialism works.

Oh, and fuck commie China. Look at the four pests campaign and see what happens when someone is given total power with zero knowledge.

Everything that China has was stolen from another or given to them. There is no discovery or creativity left in the Chinese soul.

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

Poor peasants owning centrally heated apartments, having electricity, radios, television sets, seeing toilets and bath tubs for the first time in their lives. Those evil commies.

Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

That Gorbachev supermarket story is such a fucking meme

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

Actually swerdy throwing out a sizeable portion of what's produced because it's gone out of date is GOOD ACHERLALLY

Camden Nelson
Camden Nelson

I hope the PRC shuts reddit down.

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

That wasn't Gorby that was Yeltsin you dolts…

Parker James
Parker James

Russia was a shithole up until the 90's
Yeah when everyone started dying.

Grayson Ward
Grayson Ward

Gorbachev [sic] thought the supermarkets in America were dressed up to be so full of food.
I mean they basically are? A great deal of that food is thrown out everyday.

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

Yeah, and it makes the story all the more suspect. Yeltsin obviously sold out the whole economy with glee, and his daughter is very wealthy and if not a billionaire herself at least married into billions. I don't doubt he said some dumb shit in a grocery store, but the notion that he was shocked by what he saw is ridiculous. It's not like Boris Yeltsin had literally never seen, heard of or read about the living conditions of western capitalists nations. He could watch a fucking movie and see a grocery store. He was obviously playing up his astonishment with a random Texas grocery store to ingratiate himself with an American audience.

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

CAPITALIST RESTORATION CAUSES TENS OF MILLIONS OF EXCESS DEATHS YOU FUCKING PIG
Modern day Russia has gone seventy ranks down in per capita calorie consumption compared to soviet times.

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Nathaniel Ramirez
Nathaniel Ramirez

wsj.com/articles/china-holds-talks-with-venezuelan-opposition-on-debt-oil-projects-11549993261
DENG GANG APPROVES OF COUPING VUVUZELA

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

How can you honestly look at the ISIS tier garbage that happened and say the cultural revolution was a good thing? This is why nobody takes maotists seriously.

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Brody Bailey
Brody Bailey

/thread

Cameron Bennett
Cameron Bennett

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Colton Cruz
Colton Cruz

ChINa iS StilL sOciALisT

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Levi Powell
Levi Powell

Pic related is getting harder and harder.

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Elijah Hughes
Elijah Hughes

Find someone who lived through the communist bullshit
why do libs always say this?
In high school I was an exchange student in a former soviet country and the consensus in my guest family was that it was better. Dad liked being able to go around eastern europe and travel the river don with his army buddies for free. Grandma was a teacher and hates what has become of education. I could go on.
In any event this meme of
hurr talk to someone from the commie countries… t-they'll set you straight
is such garbage

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Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

It was a shithole after 90 fam. Gnp reached 80s status only after 2010. Tens of millions died due to drugs, alchoholism. Crime went out of proportion.
If u had money saved to buy a new car in beginning of 89, that money was worth 2 loafs of bred at the end of the year.
There was a total deterioration of the health system. If you had to go to hospital you had to bring your own syringes, drugs and other medical supplies and equipment. Also you had to pay the doctors in cash because noone was receiving any salaries.
School teachers stopped receiving salaries and parents had to bring cash to schools to pay them for their work.
All public infrastructure went to shit because there was noone maintaining it. The country was worse of than after the civil war in 1924.

Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

Slow your roll there. I've talked to the people personally that lived through it and the consensus was that Communism was the worst thing that has ever happened in their respective country. And this was of last week, not when you were a kid. So yeah, it is a valid argument.

Adam Gutierrez
Adam Gutierrez

yeah and so have i, and they all have positive views. so do the majority of Russians, Czechs, Hungarians, etc. according to various referendums and polls. the Soviet Union alone had a population of nearly 300 million people, a few gusano types or people who were barely teens during the Gorbachev era aren't enough for me to believe that everyone single person who lived during socialism hated it, especially considering the positive view that most of those hold of it.

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Adrian Price
Adrian Price

also worth mentioning that anyone can make up a story to support their view point. you can say "yes i have talked to many people who say gommunism was the worst thing ever" (funny how in all these anecdotes you anti-communists never provide any information like how old they were when socialism fell in their country, it's always just "this person i totally know said communism killed his whole family and he could never buy *insert x good and/or service* trust me) just as much as i could say "my dad grew up in the USSR and he said literally everything about it was perfect". it doesn't make it true, so unless you can provide some statistical evidence that shows most people have a negative view of socialism in their respective countries you're really not proving anything.

Colton Perry
Colton Perry

lol I buy bottles of wine with Stalin's face on it from an old Armenian dude who definitely lived through.

Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

Lol, clearly you've never ever met a person from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc. Now stop lying.

Jose James
Jose James

gdp per capita

isle of man global superpower 2020

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

meanwhile in the real world

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

HIGH QUALITY POSTING

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

Guys, what is going on in Xinjiang and Urumqi?
Is it all real or it is just speculation?

Thanks for your attention and for the answers in advance

t.very concerned Muslim

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

ITS THE MOST ANTI IMPERIALIST FORCE ON EARTH. LIKE CURRENT USA DEFENCE MINISTER SAID "REMEMBER, CHINA, CHINA AND CHINA". THE PORKY FEARS THE DENGIST.

Colton Cruz
Colton Cruz

It's text-book US agitprop with no concrete evidence beside testimonies from US founded NGOs.

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

Fuck muslims though

Brandon Edwards
Brandon Edwards

Do people actually think China is socialist? From my perspective they've realized that state capitalism is the most effective form of capitalism and merely hide behind the politically "communist" state in order to keep the proletariat in check. Am I wrong in this?
I'm not baiting by the way, legitimately curious

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

Nah, that's right
Comparing China's situation to NEP is plain retarded. NEP permitted foreign investment and market competition between worker-owned enterprises, but private employment was strictly limited and industry wasn't privatized. Meaning that a real bourgeoisie class did not form and when they started rolling it back, the only opposition could come from rural kulaks and small store owners. Meanwhile China has literal billionaires. Even if the CPC decided to construct socialism tomorrow, they'd have to do it through bloody class war (and I doubt there is political will for it). China fucked up, there's no other way about it. It's been 40 years.
-some anons work I stole

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

Chinese billionates are in the CPC. They simply give away their billions when said

Samuel Smith
Samuel Smith

China is imperialist, it’s Germany to America’s UK in 1914.

Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

implying mad, "Asian work ethic (sucking up), based family fascism", confusionists, are revolutionary in any way
Lao Tzu could have been amazing, if he wasn't spooky as shit, and you should google him.

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Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

People calling Chinese investment in Africa neo-colonialism are doing a lot of heavy lifting towards erasing the actual genocidal horror of colonialism.

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

I read a research paper the other day that was the source of a recently propagandized statistic about how Chinese have positive feelings towards the new social credit *system* (not score), and I was disturbed the massive category error the author had made where they insisted to put Sesame Credit and social credit under the same name.

For those who don't know, Sesame Credit is an opt-in rewards program managed by Alibaba that has no legal basis and cannot punish you in any way, it is simply design to encourage you to use Alibaba services for discounts. It's a shoppers rewards card.

The social credit system is a "system" for transparently and effectively enforcing laws that already exist. So in one famous example, fare evasion on a train can get you banned from riding trains for a certain number of days. You do not lose points on a score, nor do you get punished in other ways. You just get put on the train blacklist. That IS social credit, it is not AI-driven invasive social control, or a technologic panopticon. It's enforcing the rules, which exist for good reasons, and it no wonder Chinese think it's a good idea.

The reason this is problematic is becuase there is no effort by most people tasked with informing USians about China that cares what the social credit system is, instead they come with this one two setup: There is a black mirror-esque score in China, and most Chinese support it. It's incredibly fertile ground for racist theories about the oriental mind to flourish.

Dominic Perry
Dominic Perry

This meeting was pretty forcefully denied by Beijing btw.

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

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Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

Netflix just released some over-the-top anti-China propaganda with a bunch of falsehoods about various not-banned things being banned, and pictures of xi drenched in a blood red filter while random scary words float across the screen. A Jon Oliver special is coming soon I expect. The topic is going to be either Social Credit or Xinjiang, I'll put money on it.

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

have you guys ever read the joy luck club?

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Angel Price
Angel Price

For those who can't see it says Deng Xiaoping and other Chinese Communist were arrested in the Cultural Revolution. Honestly, Mao should've just saved the time and sent the red guard after him.

David Bailey
David Bailey

Lmao kill yourself

Ian White
Ian White

No. I will rather send hem to de-relegionize camp

Daniel Brown
Daniel Brown

Are you suggesting that China isn’t extracting profits from its investments in Africa?

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

I think it’s naive to expect that social credit will simply just be used for mundane shit like train fare. Think about the concept from a Marxist perspective.
The social credit system is a "system" for transparently and effectively enforcing laws
In other words it’s a tool of law and order, but the proper class analysis begs the question: Whose law? Whose order? China is a bourgeois state, and as such this is bourgeois law and bourgeois order. If you think this won’t be used to undermine organized labour in China, crack down on strikes, on anti-revisionists, and on worker’s movements of all types.

Ethan Butler
Ethan Butler

Well I think you hit the nail on the head. It is naive to think that "law" will be used just for train fare. The few people who actually know what social credit is often promote dystopian visions of it because they think all Chinese law is illegitimate, and hate the idea of the enforcement of law becoming more effective. This recent yellow panic has been triggered partly because Chinese regulations in all sectors; in health, labor, food safety, corruption, data privacy and yes, censorship, have started to be seriously enforced. But it's not a score.

Justin Davis
Justin Davis

that would be imperialism, not colonialism m8.

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

How can you honestly look at the ISIS tier garbage that happened and say the cultural revolution was a good thing?
There is nothing wrong with destroying reactionary and bourgeois culture. Reactionary ideology will linger even with changes material conditions. Only vulgar materialists think otherwise. From Mao and Pol Pot to Hoxha, they have all realized the necessity of waging ideological war against remnants of the past.

Xavier Morgan
Xavier Morgan

xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/06/c_137020127.htm
I would say they are quantitative differences, as according to the Chinese government

China's private sector has made an important contribution to economic growth, head of the country's industry and commerce federation said Tuesday.

The sector now contributes more than 60 percent of China's GDP growth and brings in over half of China's fiscal revenue

The private economy is also playing a stronger role in China's job creation and innovation drive by providing over 80 percent of jobs and contributing more than 70 percent of technological innovation and new products in the country, according to Gao.

He said that last year, more than 90 percent of new jobs were created by private businesses.

At the end of 2017, there were 65.79 million individually-owned businesses and 27.26 million private enterprises in China, which employed some 340 million people.

Although I just got an email looking for a skype interview for a job there, so idk. If I go there I'll post back in this thread, although of course anecdotal evidence is secondary

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Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

People who criticize China solely for it's market economy are ofc totally braindead and ignorant of Marxism. EVERY worker's state will have to undergo a DoTP period where it is forced to interact on the world market, before all it's trade partners too become communist. It is hard to overstate how much the leftcoms & Trots have totally ruined the Western left with this line of thinking for the past 100 years.

With that said, there's no way the CPC didn't have the intention to enrich themselves with the reforms under Deng. They didn't even have to go down the NEP route, they could have just made serious political reforms to ensure millionaires had no way to have seats in government or influence it at all. But there was no political will to keep the party's proletarian character, clearly.

Aiden Taylor
Aiden Taylor

Peter Joseph of The Zeitgeist Movement praises China's state capitalism for its efficiency

Angry replies exclaiming "dictatorship" and "Orwellian" ensue

twitter.com/ZeitgeistFilm/status/1097515690196557824
twitter.com/ZeitgeistFilm/status/1097516822855790592
twitter.com/ZeitgeistFilm/status/1097519476675817473
twitter.com/ZeitgeistFilm/status/1097520766189326336
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Colton Harris
Colton Harris

Peter Joseph of The Zeitgeist Movement praises China's state capitalism for its efficiency
silicone valley STEM labor aristocrats support state capitalism
better than 90s libertarianism

Tyler Cox
Tyler Cox

silicone valley
? he hates them

STEM
he supports cybersyn / cybernetic socialism
youtube.com/watch?v=u9zqqpXKdFM

labor aristocrats
you couldn't be further off. he despises workerism and thinks all labour must be automated asap. also he believes borders should be abolished. he's even more of an internationalist than you, mr. fourth international flag-bearing trotskyite
youtube.com/watch?v=v7qvzzRlWjk
youtube.com/watch?v=LucCvhD1Bhk

Landon Brown
Landon Brown

utopianism

ok bud

Chase Lopez
Chase Lopez

1989 tiananmen square massacre

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

thanks deng

Carson Price
Carson Price

someone praising chinese state capitalism for its superior efficiency is now "utopianism"?

Jose Young
Jose Young

The red guards actually harassed Muslims a lot during CR, and there's even official apology

Jayden Flores
Jayden Flores

there's even official apology
That's what happen when you halfass your only job. Let's hope this time no apology will be needed once they are liberated from their feudal superstitions.

David Brooks
David Brooks

theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/chinas-most-popular-app-brings-xi-jinping-to-your-pocket
What the fuck?

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Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

It's not out of character for China.

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

Deng also

Kayden Brown
Kayden Brown

Can we do Maoist memes thread again?

Adam Kelly
Adam Kelly

We need this again

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

Norinco

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

technologyreview.com/s/612997/the-crispr-twins-had-their-brains-altered/amp/
How is He Jiankui doing? I've read that he could end up in the death row.

Eli Mitchell
Eli Mitchell

Or as we Dengist call it;

The Culling of Liberals

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Hudson Richardson
Hudson Richardson

Computers are STEM. Also this guy is a utopian, which is pure labor aristocratic ideology.
also he believes borders should be abolished.
all labor aristocrats are xenophobes
lol no
The app comes with a Snapchat-like messaging function where messages disappear after being read.
Snapchat-like
Was good until this part, the app needs to be burned in fire now. You had one job Xi.

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

that pic

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Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

US "China Watchers" are completely zoinked out now. Many of them just imagining war crimes against China, no context, just threatening to kill millions of Chinese people and warning them they should get ready to be killed. Let me grab an example.

Michael Martin
Michael Martin

This guy has been advocating for war with China somewhat low-key over Taiwan for years now. A typical sort of white supremacist asia expert who waxes over his gross racism with psudo-scholastic pontificating about oriental despotism. Has just dropped the facade now. Talking about Germany after WWII and the need to bomb China back to the stone age, and this.

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Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

Ahem, I mean WWI. This guys bad, though he's not the worst, which is kind of shocking.

Benjamin Lee
Benjamin Lee

13 likes
Oh shit, the neocons are gonna start WW3

For real, twitter fights between people with under a thousand followers shouldn’t be posted, it’s irrelevant to IRL politics, their is no viewpoint or idea that doesn’t have at least one supporter. This doesn’t matter. What matters is the amount of people who support a position.

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Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

What– no. Greer is dismayingly influential among China hawks. These are think tank guys, journalists on the China beat and China "watchers". Elite opinion and media editorial policy is crafted based on the reports they write to each other. What some random senator or bureaucrat official thinks they know about China is delivered to them by these guys. It does NOT matter how popular an opinion is. They are the "elite". The US public did not, and will not in the foreseeable future, vote on (much less be aware of) the development of US foreign policy.

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

What– no. Greer is dismayingly influential among China hawks.
Just checked his most recent tweets and the most liked one was 26. The American elite is over a million people large at least when you factor in all the CEOs, board of director members, large stalk holders, military officers, high paid bureaucrats, labor aristocrat STEM professionals, think tank guiros, and high level members of PACs, the RNC, and DNC. The American elite is a very large section of the population percentage wise and in sheer numbers when compared to previous numbers, even those who are just concerned with foreign policy, the neocon think tank members, military officers, and diplomats, this is thousands of people.

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Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

this guy has some cataclysmic interpretations of things

Hudson Anderson
Hudson Anderson

I don't know what you don't get. It's not the number of likes on those specific tweets, its that the content of them was the original product of the guy. If 0 or 1000 people like it it wouldn't change what I'm drawing attention to, which is what the us China Watching community believes and curates their presentation of China towards convincing others it is right.

Nicholas Williams
Nicholas Williams

Is there anything worse than nerds on Twitter who take things too seriously? Smh

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

Yes. American retards that bring up said twitter shit.

Jayden Cruz
Jayden Cruz

Twitter just gives you insight into the careers of think tankers— everything they eventually package into a report is hashed out on Twitter first. I take CSIS and AtlanticCouncil et.al. seriously because I have to. The “elite consensus” on China had been overwhelmed by Hawks in the last two year because of Trump, and the hawks are just advocating for full scale war now.

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

12842000
5347230

The zio conspiracy in one line:

Trannification is a deepstate process targeting democratic groups like Freemasons and religious and family-loving groups like Christian churches to corrupt and distort them, to use them as deniable garbage for black ops which are blamed on Freemasons, Freedom tards and true Christians. Done by Occultists. All occultists end up working for the deepstate.

They target those who oppose communism. If you oppose it they will get to you and you won't know it until it's too late. Hypno.

Maybe China is conspiring too

Elijah Hernandez
Elijah Hernandez

Daily reminder to learn Mandarin so you can defect when WW3 comes

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

Is Naomi Wu a prototype for the female socialist with chinese characteristics?

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Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

dissentmagazine.org/article/making-china-marxist-again-xi-jinping-thought
How's this analysis hold? Is it just pure ideology?

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Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

most OECD countries have 90% of the investment done by private entities

The private share isn't necessarily that high. The public provides massive subsidy for fundamental R&D in all advanced economies even if the results are ultimately privatized.

Several rich countries also maintain substantial public assets.

Norway goes the furthest and has the majority of non-housing wealth in public hands. Their sovereign wealth fund is the largest in the world, and a nontrivial share of global market cap.

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Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

Why not release the tech and have HIV resistance and high Autism Level for all?

Why not have public fertility clinics that allow anyone to have a CRISPR baby with whatever genes they want?

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

Because I didn't get to choose my genes.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

Could be of interest, though quite liberalism
readingthechinadream.com/

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

Dumping some stuff

Owen Collins
Owen Collins

Will Taiwan or China achieve communism first?

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Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

WSJ

"no"

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Andrew Hughes
Andrew Hughes

Saw some Falun Gong shills on Dam Square today. The billboards they had set up were more anti-CCP propaganda than the bullshit front of meditation and spirituality. In that regard it's surprisingly honest, showing what's behind the mask.
Bourgeois freedom stinks, it means these fascists are able to openly preach their poison. We even have a scientology church right infront of the country's largest college. Atleast our southern neighbours banned scientology for being a cult.

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James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

just found out, how cucked Gorillaz are…
youtube.com/watch?v=-7h9AMtjfZc

Zachary Reed
Zachary Reed

Interesting thing is the Epoch Times is a Falun Gong paper, which has some inexplicable connection to Trump. Also China Uncensored on YouTube is them to iirc. They get a ton of funding from Taiwan.

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

Implying Taiwan isn't a part of China

Jeremiah Price
Jeremiah Price

Strange how no Dengists will respond to my Chinese source saying how the majority of GDP growth and nearly all new jobs are in the private sector. I'm interested to hear someone explain how this is building socialism when for decades the trend has been towards more privatization, not less. It seems to me like China is not in an extended NEP but stuck in glasnost or something. It's hard to say the government is still a Leninist organization when the standing committee of the people's assembly looks like pic related. Not to mention the apparent lack of criteria for belonging to the CPC itself. For people that think they are capitalist but a dictatorship of the proletariat, how do you explain the coexistence of the CPC with openly bourgeois parties, along with the allowance of someone like Jack Ma in the party? I really don't understand Ismail on this point

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Luis Walker
Luis Walker

Yeah I quickly stumbled upon the Epoch Times and China Uncensored while looking for information on Falun Gong. Just like shills such as Charlie Kirk get big bucks for spreading domestic anti-socialist propaganda, there's a whole network of shady think tanks and societies (a typical article about China or North Korea will mention these aplenty) in Asia that spread imperialist propaganda, you can probably get a better living that way than most workers in SK or Taiwan.

China has a small KMT party in the People's Assembly
So much for communist repression.

Anyways it seems that unironic dengism has died down but there's still an agreement that we need a more realistic assessment of China than "it's literally Mordor guise muh 100 million no freedom tiananmen"

Parker Green
Parker Green

Russia was a shithole up until the 90's.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF REVISIONISM

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

muh statues

Despookify yourself you idealist cuck

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

Yes, China has been carrying out several liberalizations but it's not comparable to what Gorbachev did, let alone to the shitshow that Russia became from Yeltsin's rule onwards. They never dogmatically accepted the neoliberal recipes the US and the World Bank tried to shove up their throats. China still maintains a largely state-controlled economy no matter how much external pressure is being put on the country. Of course this isn't socialism, but it is pretty fucking far from a laissez-faire economy too. And for all their failures, the liberalizations did succeed in making China the world's second economy in a tremendously short span of time and pulling millions of Chinese out of poverty - although there's no denying a large-scale purge of the bourgeoisie will be needed if the government ever decides the time is ripe to move on to actual socialism.

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Also I don't think the existence of bourgeois parties forms a problem. At least not in a fairly strong country that can defend itself against imperialism. Fair point about rich capitalists in the CPC though.

Christian Hall
Christian Hall

"muh food lines" even though there was no food scarcity or major shortage in the later decades of the USSR
benis
someone who lived through the communist bullshit
do we really need to post the stats of the nostalgia for communism in Eastern Europe once again?
up until the 90's
this has to be bait, read a book or at least a fucking article
theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/09/russia.artsandhumanities

Samuel Hughes
Samuel Hughes

So, since no one ITT has answered this satisfyingly. What's with all the "Muslims in concentration camps" articles? Is there a good reason to believe that these are either true or false (apart from the probability that they're porky propaganda)? When did these articles start? Any reliable sources on this?

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

Let me just bring it to the point. The whole thing started with the
China Has Detained Up to 1 Million Uighur Muslims UN report says
hoax published by Bloomberg last year. Bloomberg is often reporting lies and missinformation about China that often get quoted by other U.S papers as legitimate reports without any investigation and it was this Bloomberg report that quickly spread trough the entire U.S. controlled media and beyond starting the whole campaign, slowly adding little lies on top with every iteration of citing each other. Before that there was only noise compared to this. It could so easily spread because they claimed the authority of a UN report to back their story.

The thing is that UN report never existed. Yet you can still hear people cite it all over the world. There was no such UN report. Months later Bloomberg silently corrected some of the false parts to "UN experts said" and added alot of "mays". The entire story is based on what "Gay McDougall" said in an open panel of the UN comittee called CERD when she was speaking on her own behalf and just asking a lot of loaded questions. She didnt talk on behalf of the UN. Nothing she said is part of any official UN report or investigation. She cited a 3rd party report published by the "Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders" (henceforth NCHRD)

Who is Gay McDougall? Gay McDougall is the official representant of the U.S.A. for CERD.

Whats NCHRD? NCHRD is an almost 100% U.S. government fundend "non-government"-organisation based in Washington DC. NCHRD is not a network. It doesnt network. Besides its blog republishing bad stories about China under their "humanitarian" name, its a shady business. Before the Bloomberg, their site was hardly telling what they where even doing and only left a googlemail address for contact. There where only 2 people including the apparent manager known, two people with a nearly 7 digit anual budget. Its clearly just a proxy to whitewash propaganda from questionable sources into "human rights activism". Their entire report is just a compilation of 3rd party reports. On a sidenote that report never even spoke about millions of interned Muslims but refered to reports claiming possibly "up to a million Muslims could be discriminated" in China. Bloomberg invented the "detained up to 1 Million". A few of the citations are from U.S. mainstream media including Bloomberg and NCHRD (you are reading right, they are quoting themself) Nearly all citations come from "Radio Free Asia" (henceforth RFA) or 4th parties citing RFA.

What is RFA? RFA is a news agency founded by the U.S. government. It's also funded by the U.S. government. Was at least, they have done their job and now comes the usual cutting of connections) RFA headquarters are based again in Washington DC. RFA is operated by the Broadcasting Board of Governors (henceforth BBG)

Whats the BBG? The BBG is a US federal agency under the supervision of the State Department. Their own job description is literally to spread propaganda to aid the U.S. regimes policies.

Sebastian Rivera
Sebastian Rivera

supporting fake communism
you don't seriously do this, do you?

David Morales
David Morales

Few corrections.

1) Camps and heightened security definitely exist, however the 1 gorillion is a clear fabrication for the reasons you wrote. A few thousand is justified given the actual history of terrorism in the region.

2) I don't think it was Bloomberg specifically, more like a combo from all the major MSM outlets at once. Bloomberg was 100% responsible for that fake chip hoax (Chinese gov was allegedly planting undetectable chips in servers used widely by Amazon, Apple, etc). News story was never backed up by any major intelligence agency and strongly denied by Apple and the like.

Besides that, this is mostly correct.

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

I have said in this thread that I don't think it's neoliberal tier, I just don't see much of a difference between the Chinese Dream/ Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and social democracy. (Ironically, every socdem complains about evil totalitarian China, when in reality that's probably the best case scenario for their ideology - incredible sustained growth for decades, massive poverty reduction and rise in living standards, etc.) Like I said, it seems like they are stuck in glasnost - they stopped just short of Yeltsin-tier whereas the Soviet Union continued to full blown liberalization. Also I disagree with
if the government ever decides the time is ripe to move on to actual socialism
This seems like idealism, putting the superstructure above the base. Which is something I see around often, is people thinking the CPC can just flip a switch and "activate" socialism.

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

So this is the power of dengism…

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Brody Cooper
Brody Cooper

In 2014 China economy specialist Nicholas Lardy concluded that the private sector now produces at least two-thirds of China’s GDP.

b-ok.cc/book/2383994/4406cb

The central finding of this study is that the economic reform process that began in the late 1970s has transformed China from a state-dominated economy into a predominantly market economy in which private firms have become the major source of economic growth, the sole source of job creation, and the major contributor to China’s still growing role as a global trader.

pic related from the book

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Hudson Bell
Hudson Bell

Also from that book:

China’s government revenue relative to GDP is identical to that of Mexico, 2 percentage points below that of Malaysia, and 5 percentage points below that of South Africa.28 Thus, there is little evidence in the fiscal data of the overwhelming power of China’s bureaucracy.

The case that the Chinese state is one of the world’s most powerful in terms of the ownership of the means of production is closer to the mark than the claims with respect to employment and income. But this study has already presented evidence that the state’s power in this domain is shrinking. This is reflected in the declining share of industrial output produced by state and collective firms, from 100 percent of output in 1978 to about one-quarter in 2012. State and collective firms controlled all of the country’s productive capital in the industrial sector as reform was getting under way, and one can infer from the production data that its share of productive assets has dropped precipitously since. Second, the investment data examined in chapter 3 show that state firms’ share of investment in industry has been declining since 1980, while that of private firms has been rising. By 2011, private firms’ investment was almost three times that of state firms in absolute terms

Evan Powell
Evan Powell

Last post ITT unless someone wants to continue arguing this shit. Exactly how China hasn't had political liberalization is nothing short of a miracle, I'd be interested if anyone has a good materialist explanation of that

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Ryder Martinez
Ryder Martinez

Exactly how China hasn't had political liberalization is nothing short of a miracle, I'd be interested if anyone has a good materialist explanation of that
bruh, you actually believe the neoliberal meme that capitalist restoration in socialist countries makes them more democratic? that's not materialist at all

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

Why would political liberalisation be at all in the interest of the chinese bourgeoise? It already finds ample expression of its class interest through the CCP.

Blake King
Blake King

Sorry, backreading this thread for the first time in a while and I just wanted to say that I think that something a lot of people overlook with the "Yellow Panic" as you term it is exactly that over the past 10+ years China actually has started implementing regulations from the Central Party Apparatus down to the Provincial & Local levels and something people miss is how salty this makes not only Foreign Capital Invesment from the West but also that from surrounding Asian Territories & even Domestically. It's exactly because these things are potentially threatening the cushy postion of Imperialism in China that even those that aren't neccessarily allied with western Imperialist powers & blocs are at least, privately, pleased with the propaganda efforts of this Red Scare that is being created by the US over unease about their status as the Hegemonic world power.

Bentley Rivera
Bentley Rivera

Not that it would actually be more democratic for workers, bur porky generally prefers liberal democracy

Jaxson Rogers
Jaxson Rogers

I think that it has a lot to do with the CPC having the benefit of hindsight in establishing a modern capitalist state. They've learned the lessons of the 19th century, mainly that you have to keep workers satisfied, or else they will begin to develop a political consciousness and make demands not only for improved conditions and wages, but the right to freely organize, and for greater democracy. Despite the Dickens tier horrors that exist in China, they have made great gains in the standards of living, which has suppressed the desire for political liberalization.

Leo Gomez
Leo Gomez

For people who think "at least the CCP is a communist party that adheres to ML", here is a funny chart from an interesting study about the social composition of the CCP and people's opinions of it in China.

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Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

2) I don't think it was Bloomberg specifically, more like a combo from all the major MSM outlets at once.
Bloomberg published the first major article explicitely claiming the "1 Million in internment camps" hoax and the other major MSM channels all copied Bloombergs newly fabricated wording not even MC Dougal herself used, because unlike media she has to be cautious what she accuses people of without evidence, as even the propaganda report initially explicitely only compared the situation in cities with heightened security methaphorically to camps but didnt actually claim a gazillion would be inside camps.
Its highly unlikely they all came up with the same lie right after Bloomberg at the same time independently.

This is the so called UN report they are now refering to as UN expert opinions because even the UN officially denied the claims of it being a UN report or even a UN body.
youtube.com/watch?v=NO0dRYffeng

Sure it doesnt really matter since they are all colluding but its good to remember where the roots of this "evil" are.

Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

They get a ton of funding from Taiwan.
Taiwan is just as much a proxy in this as is that Falun Gong cult.
Its rooted 100% in Washington, everone else is just pawns in their game.

The "America Uncensored" channel they created after backlash of their blatant racism getting called out is hillarious. The flattery of the Trump regime couldnt be any more blatant.
Trump good!
Democrats bad!
China bad to the US!
Trumps policies good!
no critique about America at all and barely any views.

Aiden Sanders
Aiden Sanders

Bloomberg hates China. I don't know what's up with them. They hate them more than any other western, except RFA I guess. Their straight reporting is always a hack-job and the put a bunch of outright racist cranks on their opinion page.

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

Taiwan is just as much a proxy in this as is that Falun Gong cult.

Kinda, but the Taiwanese government does indeed fund anti-Chinese scholarship and media and it has for decades. One interesting thing I learned recently was that Taiwan's government furnished scholarships actually prohibited recipients from ever traveling to mainland China. So we got Taiwanese educated China experts who had never been to the country.

Chinese government scholarships have no such restrictions btw

Nathan Butler
Nathan Butler

If the USA's war with China went hot, would the Chinese be able to use any possible connections with American Corporations into submission?

The Nazis appealed to American Corporations and Industrialists which brought production to a stand-still for a short while. You don't hear of it for some reason. Americans don't realize that all Corporations care about is profit so you can "convince" them to fuck shit up.

Lucas Powell
Lucas Powell

Probably not. And a real war between them would have no winners.

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

Something interesting happening the last few days. A number of major US, Canadian, Oz newspapers coordinating quite openly against a Chinese company, Huawei, whose main crime seems to be being Chinese. Aggressively policing other outlets against a “PR offensive.” This seems bizarre that this is just accepted as normal behavior.

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

So is China socialist or nah?

Jace Diaz
Jace Diaz

The CPC is a rerun of the same bullshit that European social-democratic parties were like a century ago. Radical in principle, bourgeois in practice. Career politicians LARPing as proletarians, basically.

China is still lightyears ahead of the rest of the world though. It is the only country on the planet where it's possible to imagine popular discontent taking a communist form at the moment. Socialism and Mao's legacy still hold weight there. In my humble opinion, China is effectively mankind's last hope.

Luke Morgan
Luke Morgan

“Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Soviet Communist Party collapse? An important reason was that their ideals and beliefs had been shaken. In the end, ‘the ruler’s flag over the city tower’ changed overnight. It’s a profound lesson for us! To dismiss the history of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Communist Party, to dismiss Lenin and Stalin, and to dismiss everything else is to engage in historic nihilism, and it confuses our thoughts and undermines the Party’s organizations on all levels.”

“Why must we stand firm on the Party’s leadership over the military?” Xi continued, “because that’s the lesson from the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union where the military was depoliticized, separated from the Party and nationalized, the party was disarmed. A few people tried to save the Soviet Union; they seized Gorbachev, but within days it was turned around again, because they didn’t have the instruments to exert power. Yeltsin gave a speech standing on a tank, but the military made no response, keeping so-called ‘neutrality.’ Finally, Gorbachev announced the disbandment of the Soviet Communist Party in a blithe statement. A big Party was gone just like that. Proportionally, the Soviet Communist Party had more members than we do, but nobody was man enough to stand up and resist.”

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Tyler Campbell
Tyler Campbell

China tends to be Dengist and a neoliberal dictatorship with protections. Dengist China has been funneling money from Wall Street and European banks for 40+ years along with business people. In part due to slave labour, if Mao was as upright as he was meant to be he would never permit that to happen to his people.

China is effectively mankind's last hope
I feel sorry for you if you believe a neo dynastic imperial nation (and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said.
rense.com/general85/China'sPlanToConquer.htm
aspistrategist.org.au/chinas-six-wars-in-the-next-50-years/

Nathaniel Young
Nathaniel Young

rense.com

Isn't that a white nationalist jewish conspiracy website?

aspistrategist.org.au

Isn't that a right-wing Australian think-tank?

Connor Nguyen
Connor Nguyen

Maybe, maybe not

But are they wrong though?

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

I mean… as a pretty well read person in Chinese thinking, communist or otherwise… that's a total fabrication. Chinese people don't believe in a "Chinese race," but have subdivisions of things like Chinese nationality, Han ethnicity, and subdivided various minorities or vassal states. They don't object to religion as a competitor to their country, they believe, unlike Stalinists, in controlling religions and no one in China who is a party member is atheist. Only consumerist, tuhao people are atheist. Only poor farmers educated in Mao's reign are "atheist," but they are still leftover folk religious people and they don't think about "god" like Western theology does. They were formerly illiterate Confucianists, not Judeo-Christian. So yeah, rense's shit is manufactured without obvious knowledge of Chinese history and culture.
As for the other source… China is not a country that can engage in war like others can. Furthermore, I think China is the subversive element— the United States is not good at beating China in these games. They have tried many times and failed. Tiananmen for one, did not bring some social upheaval. Nor did the more recent student protests in Hong Kong. Indeed, China doesn't fight literal wars: they fight trade and culture wars, and they are doing a good job. They don't need imperial conquests to get their way as such. Thus, the source is just reactionary capitalist hoo ra about nothing.

Juan Stewart
Juan Stewart

The mass migrations of the Chinese into Canada USA and Australia are not nothing and seem to accord with the sources. The Chinese themselves seem more than content to continue to undermine those countries as some kind of retribution for the century of humiliation. You may justify the attempt towards the USA for being a blantant imperialist but its concerning to rationalise the subversion of Canada and Australia who had embraced Chinese the most and tends to be awefully insidious and treacherous. The rense source as well as aspis for better or worse converge on the events which have been unfolding in recent years. Dismissing those sources as "outsiders" when they have reasonably and considerably confirmed the climate in the South China Sea and the Chinese version of Lebensraum would be oblivious at best and suspicious at worst.

China had subjugated Vietnam for 1000 years, made Korea and vassal state and had destroyed pre-Kanji era Japan. More recently, had created an implicit caste system in Malaysia leading the Malay riots. Singapore was returned to Malaysia but the Chinese made sure it was away from Malaysia. There was also the Soviet and Chinese boarder dispute instigated by China among many other imperialist designs.

When the so-called CCP denies those actions meanwhile mobilising them with urgency like the bygone Dynasties have its just deflection and obfuscation. Its communist and socialism might suffer too by the actions of China.

Juan Ortiz
Juan Ortiz

Wow, what a vile, misanthropic little rat you are. I was quite critical of the CPC in my post, but clearly that wasn't enough for you, as I don't believe that Chinese people are an inherently aggressive race of brutes hellbent on annihilating culture or whatever the fuck you're going on about.

I feel sorry for you if you believe a neo dynastic imperial nation (and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said.
You don't feel sorry for me, you're just angry because I said Chinese workers have revolutionary potential, which clashes with your national chauvinist/xenophobic anticommunist worldview. Don't even try to deny your open racism. Why else would you use China's imperialistic and self-interested policy as proof of it's lack of revolutionary potential when literally ever fucking major bourgeois power does the same?

Communism is impossible without China, they are too important a player on the world market to be excluded from a post-capitalist system. Cry about it some more, retard.

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

Good excerpt, I haven’t read much of Xi’s speeches / writings but I was pleasantly surprised by this. The military is an all-important force for the construction of socialism and must be closely integrated with the people, state and party. This is why under socialism I am in favor of conscription.
Is this the power of Zig Forums‘s Marxist analysis in the current year?

Oliver James
Oliver James

The mass migrations of the Chinese into Canada USA and Australia are not nothing and seem to accord with the sources. The Chinese themselves seem more than content to continue to undermine those countries as some kind of retribution for the century of humiliation.
Not how it works. People, such as the upper classes of Hong Kong, Beijing, Taiwan migrated (especially starting in the 1990s) to first world destinations like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Seattle, Sydney, Melbourne and so on for better economic opportunities and living standards. Go talk to a Chinese immigrant and ask them what they think about your "retribution for the century of humiliation" theory and they'll have no idea what you're talking about.

Chinese version of Lebensraum
One-child policy (1979-2016), full reproductive rights (contraceptives, abortions) for women and a strong political and cultural emphasis on parents educating and nurturing their only child instead of just popping out a bunch of uneducated kids doesn't seem in line with your theory of "Lebensraum" and all its implications.

China had subjugated Vietnam for 1000 years
China or the "Chinese" people is a modern concept. You clearly don't know much of the history of the dynasties, khanates and other political states that ruled parts of the region now known as China.

Colton Scott
Colton Scott

I didnt mean to give you any shock treatment. Ignoring factual history and current affairs for the sake of ideology, especially by socialists and communists, would be negligent. With your eruption towards the fact of imperialist and geopolitical designs of China you do seem like the proverbial boomer who would lick the feet of the Chinese unironically while betraying the generations local people. Complain to the jannies all you want and call for a ban if you like but remember this: if communism and socialism until recently has been at an all time low it would reach another low once it becomes apologetic towards China considering both historical and current events. More people would flock to /pol/ than they did after Gamergate as normies have been affected and would be affected by the said "soft power" of the Han Chinese.

Posts like yours can make it frustrating when talking to others about socialism and communism who are outside the respective boards and, guaranteed, being apologetic to country that tries for Lebensraum would further entrench people away from socialism and communism.

Not how it works. People, such as the upper classes of Hong Kong, Beijing, Taiwan migrated (especially starting in the 1990s)
You literally skipped two decades and redacted people from China starting to migrate too en mass with visa programs and then with 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧investor🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 visas along with those
"retribution for the century of humiliation" theory and they'll have no idea what you're talking about.
They know, try as they might to hide it they know. Not to mention the implications of "owning" and belligeance towards Canada and Australia and that at the smallest slight there would be sanctions
doesn't seem in line with your theory of "Lebensraum" and all its implications
One question: does the one child policy apply outside of China? The correct answer and despite of mental gymnastics is an emphatic no. Furthermore despite the one child policy they have saturated Western Canada and the West Coast of the USA. I suppose the imperical statistics are reactionary and misanthropic.
China or the "Chinese" people is a modern concept. You clearly don't know much of the history of the dynasties, khanates and other political states that ruled parts of the region now known as China.
They have subscribed to being Han Chinese and identify as such and act in accordance with their cultural narrative encompassing to the chargrin of the China Apologists the neo-dynastic imperialism

So far I have provided source which have not been merited on their factual basis rather than ideological which China, to put it ideologically, considers itself non-Chinese as the proletariat and themselves the bourgeoisie specifically being their rightful place through soft power. Africans were expecting jobs but those expected jobs were given to the Chinese flying from China, pretty much scabs forming a caste system like they did in Malaysia which cased the riots there. Swap the name China for Britain and you might find yourself starting to think differently.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson

the Chinese are migrating to undermine the West
China instigated the Sino-Soviet split
China subjugated Korea and Vietnam
Except the CPC helped in both the Korean and Vietnam wars? And the SS split was about 50-50 responsibility, maybe even moreso the USSR's fault? And what evidence do you have of that pol-tier conspiracy theory? There is legitimate criticism of the CPC but this is absolute bs.

Read The Governance of China if you want to understand Xi Jinping thought in its entirety. It's not very impressive, mostly platitudes and dogmatic adherence to the reform and opening up.

Xavier King
Xavier King

Thanks for the book recommendation, comrade.

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

They know, try as they might to hide it they know.
Not an argument.

Not to mention the implications of "owning" and belligeance towards Canada and Australia
Are you Canadian? Why are you blaming all Chinese people for the fault of a few billionaire/multi-millionaire real estate speculators who took advantage of your government's policy of having no regulations on real estate?

Furthermore despite the one child policy they have saturated Western Canada and the West Coast of the USA.
What's your point? Do you feel antagonized by all those Chinese people?

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

neoliberal dictatorship
neo dynastic imperial nation
gtfo American shill
and a long running history of having vassal nations and destroying cultures is anything like you said
it's not like the country was an empire and then became socialist at some point
I mean yes they're fascists but why would that make them unreliable?

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

can you please post a link to the full source?

Anthony Reed
Anthony Reed

rense.com

You may as well quote Trumps Twitter account for reference of the utterly baseless and fabricated propaganda bullshit maskerading as flat earth tier conspiracy theory bullshit you are dumping here.

No in fact even that would be more sensible.

Jordan Rivera
Jordan Rivera

VERY racist.

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

dissentmagazine.org/article/condition-working-class-shenzhen-peasant-workers-authoritarian-consumerism
In another case, a hundred workers were required to stay late after work to observe a disciplined employee read out loud a message of self-criticism she had been required to compose.
oh no no no

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Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

Contrast this to China where the Communist Party not only continues to control the commanding heights of the economy, but has actually expanded this control in recent years. All while livings standards continue to soar, and income inequality (both regional and between rural and urban regions) continues to decrease,

Why wouldn't this apply to the US after FDR?

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

words words words
It's just text comrade, rense publishes almost everything that's submitted, sometimes it's on point, sometimes it's garbage why the strong emotion?
Trumps on the spectrum so if anything he's more credible, than say Clinton

Alexander Ramirez
Alexander Ramirez

Oy, libertarded faggots! I 'ave a question fer ya. What the fook is outhoritharean about China and CPC rule? Because CNN said so?
Seriously faggots, tell me.

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David Edwards
David Edwards

Can someone please tell a new poster how western billionaires are imperialist porkies but Russian and Chinese billionaires are anti-imperialist workers rights champions?

Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

can't legally fap to bjork.

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Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

Absoluttely dank, I've recently started to fucking love the shit out of Mao, fuck the landlords, fuck kapital, fuck revisionism, never stop revolutionizing

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

I don't see what's really that "Capitlaistic" about this
Self-Crit has been a popular part of Maoist / Chinese Socialism for a long while long before Deng Xiaopings Market reforms

John Hughes
John Hughes

NeoLiberal dictatorship with protectionist policies
Neo-Imperial Elective Monarchy
This is why some shouldn't be allowed to use the internet

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

according to sources familiar with the matter
Julie Greene
Huffington Post editor
Rockefeller Foundation fellow
sounds legit

Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Greer🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Adam Young
Adam Young

It's been 4 days and noone has been able do describe what is authoritarian about CPC rule?

Blimey, all you Jackaroo ockers fucking suck and will go to gulag.

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Jayden Ross
Jayden Ross

China’s 93 billionaires’ lawmakers have an accumulated wealth of US$504 billion while the 50 richest members of the US Congress have a combined wealth of “only” US$2 billion!
thecommunists.net/worldwide/asia/china-s-billionaire-lawmakers/

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

Only one post in this thread called China authoritarian

Contrast this to China where the Communist Party not only continues to control the commanding heights of the economy, but has actually expanded this control in recent years.
Wrong

Samuel Peterson
Samuel Peterson

South China Morning Post recently published a highly interesting report about the wealth of China’s lawmakers. [1] The paper is known as a serious source and it certainly knows what it’s talking about
South China Morning Post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wait hold on a moment
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats the first line of the article too
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no

Lucas Barnes
Lucas Barnes

be you
be lead into this room
you hear the door behind you shut
the bag covering your head gets taken off
this is what you see
What do?

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Ethan Reyes
Ethan Reyes

So you are saying it is an outright lie?

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

Call him a filthy revisionist and say he is not better than Tony Blair.

James Taylor
James Taylor

CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR BLACKWATER COMRADE ERIK PRINCE IN HIS ANTI-IMPERIALIST STRUGGLE AGAINST NEO-REACTIONARY HYPER-CAPITALIST UYGUR MUSLIMS!

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David Nelson
David Nelson

Arkan
Just buy a new refrigerator user, you can get old ones cheap.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

love unruhe in there

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

RELATIONSHIP ENDED WITH SOCIALISM, AGGRESSIVE NEOLIBERAL REALPOLITIK IS MY FRIEND NOW

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Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

this picture is pretty insidious tbh

Hunter Rogers
Hunter Rogers

Ni hao yo mayo gee gee

Henry Bell
Henry Bell

Dengoids will defend this.

Luke King
Luke King

Oh bother!

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

real gommieism has never been tried

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Gavin Sanchez
Gavin Sanchez

w-what's in that black purse
actually existing communism?

Jason White
Jason White

this picture looks like a scene from a political thriller movie

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

Xi never looks intimidating though.

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

he looks spooky here

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Anthony Wood
Anthony Wood

Or Goodfellas.

Justin Bell
Justin Bell

trying to get sanctions lifted
same as a failed NEP where party members party member are bought by billionaires and cooperate with the U.S on trade

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Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Why is ISIS there? The only communists supporting them are one Italian Maoist party and some Trotskyists.

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John Sanders
John Sanders

support castrism-o'bamism

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Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

diplomacy is counter revolutionary
tfw Stalin should be purged because he talked to FDR
Anti imperialism alone isn't worth stanning

Brayden Jones
Brayden Jones

it's used constantly in in articles about the government by SCMP

Juan Watson
Juan Watson

i know this is kinda old news but for those who defend China what do you make of the Jasic Incident along with all the disappearances?

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Isaiah Butler
Isaiah Butler

tfw Stalin should be purged because he talked to FDR
This.
No handshakes allowed.

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Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

triple handshake
TRIPLE GULAG

Gavin Evans
Gavin Evans

neo-confucianism
want to bring back a class of parasitic """"scholars""""
gulag and

Evan Watson
Evan Watson

The claim that the SCMP is a reputable and reliable paper, is as silly as calling Trump a cultured gentleman and chevalier.

SCMP is part of Washingtons propaganda web and responsible for most of the high profile fakenews about China. Its a proxy they keep citing as "Chinese media", even if the author is a U.S. educated white American who lives in Washington or one of these dual citizenship Hong Konger educated and tied via residence permits to the U.S. Its the go to source for fakenews about China for the whole clout of FOX, Bloomberg, CNN and all the other culprits. Its openly shows bias for Trump, the U.S., the "West" and is most blatantly anti-China and anti-CCP and just as often as its producing fakenews, just echoes U.S. made only so that U.S. media can cite their own fakenews as "according to Chinese sources". They turn every shitty Twitter shitpost into a frontpage article and 5 minutes later its all over Washingtons propaganda web.

The recent acquisition by a real Chinese company has not changed anything about the way the paper reports. I suspect they are just making the best out of the fact the paper keeps getting massive traffic due all the major Western media coorporations citing it no matter how wrong and low quality the articles are and shutting it down would just make the U.S. establish another proxy. So at least they can take the profits.

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

As for the article about billionair lawmakers in China itself. You don't need to get past the headline
China's Billionaire Lawmakers

That is already bullshit. They cite the Hurun report (more on that one later). According to that these 93 billionaires are "Politically Affiliated Billionaires in China".
The first layer of spin. Those are not all "lawmakers". SCMP quickly rushes over that refering to it as "delegates to the legislative and political advisory".
The second layer of spin. It's the majority of these 93 billionaires that are not "lawmakers" but "political advisors". Only 37 of the 93 are actually NPC delegates, which is a legislative body. The weight of billionaires is on the "political advisory" part, just like in the U.S. where Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett have a combined net worth as large as the next 10 Chinese counterparts combined.
Third layer of spin is that the NPC has nearly 3000 delegates as compared to 455 members of the U.S. congress. The whole group of "delegates to the legislative and political advisory" is 5000 against 455. They are comparing a much larger mass of people in first place. Out of these only 170 are part of the NPCSC. These are congressmen that could be considered actual lawmakers compareable to an US Congress man. I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC delegates are billionaires according the Hurun report, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.
The fourth layer of spin is that in the West people the standard is to go into politics, then make corrupt policies for certain coorporations and after that they become directors and advisors of those coorporations and start the careers making them billionaires. In China its the biggest enterpreneurs, best scientists, greatest schollars and so are pushed into consutling roles as result of their accomplishments. Its all apples and oranges.

This report labels Jack Ma, Pony Ma and Zong Qinghou as billionaire lawmakers. Its just bullshit.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

And finally comes the sources.

The Chinese numbers come from the Hurun report. Those are at best dubious estimates by Rupert Hoogewerf. The Hurun report provides no sources for their list.
Pony Ma Huateng was estimated at nearly 50 Billion alone. There are no public records of his wealth. Most of that is an estimate of the value of the private company he partly owns.
The issue is Rupert Hoogewerf has an agenda to shill capitalism in China and China as capitalist. Hes glorifying capitalists hording wealth. He promotes wealth hording as a competitive race. He openly undermines Deng Xiaopings reforms and attribute Chinas wellbeing alone to capitalism- The reports are nowadays extended to cover other countries but only as an afterthought. Its still aimed at China and was founded as capitalist propaganda for China. He and those suckered into this competition have a clear motive of inflating their numbers.

The U.S. numbers come from the Roll Call report which admits itself is not a comprehensive statement about the net wealth and provides an insight only. These must be understood as minimum and only public reported parts of their net values. In the U.S. they dont have to report certain personal assets like residencies. They have just ranges they have to report their wealth either. A congressman with a $ 500 Million villa and $ 5 Billion other assets may end up with the exact same public reported net wealth as a congressman with a $ 50 Million villa and $ 50 Million other assets.

The SCMP objectively does not and can not even know what its talking about. Neither can the subliminal key message that Chinese legislature is even more "capitalist" than the U.S. legislature be taken serious. thespooks.net took the bait here exactly like it was intended.

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC delegates are billionaires according the Hurun report, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.
That should have been: I cant be arsed to check which one of the 37 NPC billionaires according the Hurun report are NPCSC members, but the statistical odds are lower than 1 to 17.

Cooper Martinez
Cooper Martinez

thouhgts on this

supchina.com/2019/03/13/chinas-intellectual-dark-web-and-its-most-active-fanatic/

Eli Ross
Eli Ross

Thanks.
Liu Zhongjing, arguably, is the forefather of the Chinese intellectual dark web, and currently its most notorious stalwart.
A piece on Liu must necessarily begin with an argument as to why he merits serious treatment…
Weeeelll? Where's the argument? There is this:
in 2009, he completed a translation of Flying Serpents and Dragons: The Story of Mankind’s Reptilian Past by R.A. Boulay, a dead-serious explication of the theory that an alien race, the Anunnaki, visited ancient Sumeria…
Then there is some more about him making incompetent translations of books that were stupid to begin with.
Liu Zhongjing’s philosophy — Auntology — borrows heavily from the work of Oswald Spengler
Is Otto Neurath available in Chinese? He did a long and thorough review of Spengler, and Spengler didn't come out of that looking good.

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

Would it be safe to read and search for Cockshott when I move to China?

Robert Powell
Robert Powell

No. They said they would ban him if he keeps having lectures and gives out books.

Xavier Myers
Xavier Myers

Also why hasn't the BadMouse debate not been discussed here as yet, you absolute faggots.

youtu.be/ryaBIjSlteU

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

Source?

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

pic related is what republicans and alex jones actually believe will happen

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Noah Watson
Noah Watson

inb4 CIA instals him as the leader of a coup

Liam Long
Liam Long

Well I am on the side of Ian of course, but I find that these debates don'T allow for a debate really, two parties state their stances and after each one did it and exchanged one or two arguments the subjects changes, this results in both parties coming out without their mind being changed at all.

Even though I found it really annoying how the Maoist always brought up his opportunistic line of the Soviet Union almost every argument he brought up started with "muh soviet union state capitalism". He cant really escape his ultra leftism

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

I've read the wikipedia page and well it didn't sound good, of course. Iam way to unknowledable on the topic to make any claims but I think we should approach it not too dogmatic from both sides. I often see Anti Swcc communist jump to conclousions screaming "muh capitalism china bad" and pro Swcc "CPC good cant make mistakes".

It may be very well be that the CPC is making mistakes here, but we shouldn't forget that reactionary workers movments, corrupted by counterrevolutionaires have existed in every socialist country, the best example would be the Solidarność

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

Posting some articles on China's role in Africa:

telesurenglish.net/news/China-Offers-African-Nations-60-Billion-in-Development-with-No-Strings-Attached-20180903-0005.html

news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514e78676a4e30457a6333566d54/share_p.html

Aiden Carter
Aiden Carter

youtube.com/watch?v=h2vIWk8cj5E

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

How do you guys counter the China pollutes more so people who talk about Climate change should be angry at them?

Colton Perry
Colton Perry

1. They pollute more because the west has outsourced its polluting industry to China.
2. Out of all countries, they are putting the most resources and effort into mitigating pollution and climate change.

Owen Stewart
Owen Stewart

They pollute more because the west has outsourced its polluting industry to China.
What a wonderfully way to say China caused deindustrialization and caused western workers to become unemployed.

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

right on bro, fucking chinese insectoid commies caused that, not capitalism.
Am I right or am I right?

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

Good reply for the first one point, but how to you reply to conservatives bringing up how China continues to build coal mines to this day?

oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/What-Is-Pushing-China-Back-To-Coal.html

China didn't cause it you dumbass. Capitalists who realized they could make a bigger profit by making shit in China is what caused deindustrialization.

Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

They pollute less than Europe or USA per capita. They pollute even less by consumption per capita. IE, much of the pollution is for things that will be exported. Also, pollution from the massive US military doesn't figure into US pollution figures.

Ian Carter
Ian Carter

BASED

Gabriel Gray
Gabriel Gray

oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/What-Is-Pushing-China-Back-To-Coal.html
coal production up 5.2%
energy production by coal up 6%
doesnt mention higher energy production does not equal higher pollution or coal consumption due to more efficient and cleaner new coal plants replacing old ones
doesnt mention the relative amount of coal used in Chinas total energy mix
doesnt mention energy production by all sources was up 8.1% i.e. coal is down
<this development goes directly against the nation’s promise to decrease the amount of coal used in their total energy mix
<crushing blow to any optimism

finally mentions China is building new more efficient coal plants at end of article
doesnt mention they are also causing much less pollution
<this is also bad because it will increase the energy output by coal even more!

This may sound stuck up but sometimes I wish I where another blind sheep. How can you read that and not see this bullshit? How do these papers get away with this?

Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

I'm glad the PRC supports Brenton Tarrant's killing of 51 invaders.

Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

Some reply is really good.

youtube.com/watch?v=uOTmj-s23hc&t=107s

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

Yanis Varoufakis: Don't Worry So Much About China

youtube.com/watch?v=PBgbYQ5QAM0

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Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

this guy marxs

Camden Hall
Camden Hall

So did anyone watch the "is china socialist?" debate badmau5 hosted between the "On Mass"-podcast MLM guy (Mubarik) and Ian Goodrum? I haven't watched it yet. I fear it might be too cringey for me.

Thomas Young
Thomas Young

I've watched it look here for my opinion:

Colton Diaz
Colton Diaz

It was actually pretty good and civilized.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

Here's Zizek' take: independent.co.uk/voices/china-missing-marxists-communists-dissidents-students-beijing-peking-university-a8657621.html

Asher Young
Asher Young

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Jordan Green
Jordan Green

webummed

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Nolan Ramirez
Nolan Ramirez

hahaha cultural revolution when?

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

Is a debate even possible when the two sides use two different definitions of the word Socialist? Those who say China isn’t socialist say Socialism is when workers own ALL of the means of production. Those who say China is socialist say socialism is when the head of state says workers will own the means of production in X amount of years from now.

David Collins
David Collins

oh god fuck off, its the same as taking side for the
CIA controlled Solidarność

Easton Williams
Easton Williams

"Western pigs and muslims are killing each other, the situation is excellent."
t. Xi "The Jin" Ping

Wyatt Wilson
Wyatt Wilson

a member of a Marxist circle which combined struggle for workers’ rights with ecological concerns and a Chinese version of #MeToo
Ah the good old "Marxist" with Anglo American characteristics claimed but conventiently there is no evidence for anything story

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

What about Huayou Cobalt?

Leo James
Leo James

Chinese Antcolony chingchong bruceLee Socialis Canker sore

@dannyocoulson
alignable.com/aledo-tx/coulson-and-associates

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

youtube.com/watch?v=wyHkTU33EvU

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

Alright so I listened to it. I kinda like Mubarik but his anti-revisionist MLM shtick is autistic as hell. Ian made some good points and came off as a very likeable and sensible guy. I'm not a dengoid (I used to spend way too much energy debating that lenin hat retard on here) but I think the pro-China side "won" pretty clearly in this debate.

Logan Sanders
Logan Sanders

Proles of the Round Table episode 23: Western Media is a F*** (w/ Ian Goodrum)

prolespod.libsyn.com/episode-23-western-media-is-a-f

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Someone recommend me some good (marxist) pro-China podcast episodes, youtube videos, etc. Preferably something I can listen to while doing other stuff but articles welcome too I guess.

Jayden Wright
Jayden Wright

bamppp

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

prolespod.libsyn.com/episode-19-china-in-the-era-of-xi

revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/in-defense-of-china-as-a-socialist-state-w-ajit-singh

Jack Ortiz
Jack Ortiz

Thanks. Those "Proles of the Round Table" twats are completely insufferable though. It's like they discovered r/fullcommunism yesterday and decided to start a podcast. The one with Ian Goodrum as the guest was pretty decent but literally only because of Ian.

Levi White
Levi White

does anyone know, where I can get such a suit?

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Camden Cox
Camden Cox

Chinese Socialism: A Streaming Talk With Ian Goodrum (Liberation News)

youtube.com/watch?v=wfmjGgWh0AA

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Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

Is there a chance for China to dislodge Greece and Italy from american/european hegemony?

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

ft.com/content/72754638-55d1-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1
New wave of trade union activism in China's tech sector.

James Anderson
James Anderson

What's the difference between "Western imperialism" and "Chinese investment", in Africa?

David Barnes
David Barnes

China does it
1. without military intervention
2. allowing for re-negotiation (Varoufakis talked about how easy it was to re-negotiate a deal with China, something an american or german company would never have done)
3. for mutual benefit and not just one-sided resource extraction

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

You're a pretty fucking weird ancom. Not complaining though.

Julian Long
Julian Long

without military intervention
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_People's_Liberation_Army_Support_Base_in_Djibouti
for mutual benefit and not just one-sided resource extraction
Except that to pay for Chinese “Investments” have to pay in debt, which they often can’t pay. Which results in China owning their infrastructure. This is littearly what the IMF does. Load up poor countries with debt they can’t pay, than when they can’t pay the debt take all their infrastructure. The only difference is with the IMF the infrastructure is privatized while with China Chinese state owned companies get the infrastructure.

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

Check this out, this is incredible!
youtube.com/watch?v=0APRjsyrzjY

Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

China is socialist. The west is not.

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

China is socialist
Imagine thinking you can just flip the Gommunism switch when uncommited billionare party members exist

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

Okay now I know it looks bad… that China has the highest volume of trade in the world, the biggest labor pool in the world, has plenty of high-tech cities, high-speed trains, basically its own internet, and that it has billionaires in its parliament, and they're mirroring Western imperialism, and they have wealth inequality worse than the US, and their economy is flat-out profit-centered… but dude, I swear, they're actually socialist. It's three-dimensional Go, they're going to betray capitalism and install communism any decade now…

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Juan Ortiz
Juan Ortiz

t. First worlder
No amount of "not true socialism" bullshit will save you from the wheel of history.

Charles Campbell
Charles Campbell

t idiot who dosn’t read facts
No amount of saying China is socialist will make it socialist.

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Cameron Foster
Cameron Foster

I-I- swear, they'll somehow break free of being controlled by Jack Ma!!1!

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Justin Hill
Justin Hill

No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.
Also their economy is state-owned.

David Rivera
David Rivera

No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.
Nation SOCIALIST German Workers party tier and I hope this is an AstroTurf attempt
Also their economy is state-owned
Communism is when the government does things!

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Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

No no but listen.
They sent weapons to America's enemies.
Also the party is affiliated with the "International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties". Now if they weren't communist why would they join that group?

Jonathan Cooper
Jonathan Cooper

China is socialist. If they weren't then why do they have a plan for it by 2050?
equaltimes.org/china-seeks-to-become-a-socialist

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

America also enshrined life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but you can keep drinking paint if you want to retain your Dengist retardation.

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

citing dictionary definitions

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Noah Davis
Noah Davis

It took me a while to realize but Dengists and Sinophiles are annoying and naive but Sinophobes are annoying and naive too but they swallow and spread the most vile and fake imperialist propaganda so I defend China when necessary.

Trot pushing imperialist narratives
Like pottery. If you could take a look at that wikipedia article, this is the very first overseas base of the Chinese navy. A first for what is normal for the US. And this isn't fucking military intervention?

As for investment, seriously reconsider the truism that it's the same as western imperialism. Infrastructure developments during colonialism were for the sole purpose of extraction, which is why so many African railways went unused after independence. And independence in a lot of countries was dubious, you still got western-backed coups, a collaborating comprador bourgeoisie left from colonial times willing to sell out their country once again, descendants of european settlers with disproportiate ownership of land etc. etc.
When an African country deals with China, they're doing so on a more sovereign and equal basis than when dealing with former colonial superpowers. A lot of infrastructure falls under Chinese ownership (more commonly, long term lease) but the investment actually has positive effects on developing Africa's productive forces. They are rapidly developing after decades of stagnation. For this alone China deserves credit.

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

No but they are because it's called the "Communist" Party of China.
Which means nothing
Also their economy is state-owned.
Half of it is, the other half is privatized. A similar ration to France. Is France socialist, no?
They sent weapons to America's enemies.
This isn’t socialism. Most of America’s geopolitical enimies aren’t socialists.
Also the party is affiliated with the "International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties". Now if they weren't communist why would they join that group?
Because of Historical reasons.
China is socialist. If they weren't then why do they have a plan for it by 2050?
China is socialist
China will be socialist by 2050
pick one
Trot pushing imperialist narratives
In what way does the US War Machine use what I have cited as anti-Chinease propaganda.
but the investment actually has positive effects on developing Africa's productive forces.
This is the same argument Europe used when colonizing Africa
but Sinophobes are annoying and naive too but they swallow and spread the most vile and fake imperialist propaganda so I defend China when necessary.
I’m not a Sinophobe for wanting Chinese Workers to not be exploited by capital.

Jack Parker
Jack Parker

But America got that

as long as you're rich

William Clark
William Clark

肯特州立大学枪击事件 Kent State Shooting
帝国主义 Imperialism
美國愛國者法案 USA PATRIOT Act

Christopher Wood
Christopher Wood

Current PRC is pretty much Not Socialist, barley even socialist, more even more oppresive capitalism. Maos china was kinder to the worker

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Kevin Diaz
Kevin Diaz

To all the Dengists who are saying “China needs to build up it’s productive forces.” China already is “the world’s factory.” It already has more productive forces than America or the EU. So how much is enough? Their the second biggest economy for christ sakes.

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Blake Perry
Blake Perry

well the definition fits for the socialist sector of the Chinese economy, wich is the main economic secotr of the China wich makes the country socialist :)

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

well China being the lead in steel production doesnt mean that their productive forces over all are more developed than the US?

They are still recognised as a developing nation, wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc

I can link you some articles on it in like a few days, if you want

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

well the definition fits for the socialist sector of the Chinese economy
Same with France, is France socialist?
doesnt mean that their productive forces over all are more developed than the US?
So you have to literally be the global hegemony to implement socialism? Give me a break.
They are still recognised as a developing nation, wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc
So was Russia in 1928

Liam Adams
Liam Adams

How do China's bootlickers defend state violence, lack of free speech and lack of democracy?

Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

wich still catches up in parts like health care, rural life, poverty etc
you fix that problem with socialism, capitalism causes them

Connor Barnes
Connor Barnes

How is China more "socialist" than the Nordic countries? Is being tortured by the state more Marxist or something?

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

Same with France, is France socialist?

what? can you elaborate?

So you have to literally be the global hegemony to implement socialism? Give me a break.

The productive Forces aren'T defined by leading in the world market, it is the combined development of the means of production and the knowledge and expertise of the workers

Those are uneven developed in China, it lacks behind in some areas. I'll link you something

So was Russia in 1928

Sure, and Lenin said that these things cant be resolved without building the material basis for it through the NEP

"Strictly speaking, there is 'only' one thing we have left to do and that is to make our people so 'enlightened' that they understand all the advantages of everybody participating in the work of the cooperatives…In this respect, NEP is an advance, because it is adjustable to the level of the most ordinary peasant and does not demand anything higher of him. But it will take a whole historical epoch to get the entire population into the work of the co-operatives through NEP. At best, we can achieve this in one or two decades…Without universal literacy, without a proper degree of efficiency, without training the population sufficiently to acquire the habit of book-reading, and without the material basis for this…we shall not achieve our object…the system of civilized co-operators is the system of socialism." - (On Cooperation, VI Lenin)

Julian Butler
Julian Butler

xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/05/c_137231686.htm

en.theorychina.org/xsqy_2477/201806/t20180606_365442.shtml

en.theorychina.org/xsqy_2477/201806/t20180606_365441.shtml

Oliver Campbell
Oliver Campbell

what? can you elaborate?
The precent of government spending/ownership as part of GDP for China and France is similar.
it is the combined development of the means of production and the knowledge and expertise of the workers
China is leading the world or second to Burgerland in pretty much every industry.
Those are uneven developed in China, it lacks behind in some areas. I'll link you something
Capitalism creates uneven development. If your gonna wait for Capitalism to make Xijang as developed as Hong Kong you’ll be waiting for millennia.
Sure, and Lenin said that these things cant be resolved without building the material basis for it through the NEP
When Lenin did the NEP he called it capitalism, no one in the USSR called the NEP socialism. They all knew it was a temporary stage of capitalism. If what China is doing right now is similar to the NEP that makes China capitalist. Also 1928 is the first year of the five year plans, when the NEP was abolished and the USSR became socialist.

Nicholas Moore
Nicholas Moore

The precent of government spending/ownership as part of GDP for China and France is similar

Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism

China is leading the world or second to Burgerland in pretty much every industry

It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc

It still is a developing country

Capitalism creates uneven development. If your gonna wait for Capitalism to make Xijang as developed as Hong Kong you’ll be waiting for millennia

China plans their economy according to those problems to boost the areas that lack behind

When Lenin did the NEP he called it capitalism, no one in the USSR called the NEP socialism. They all knew it was a temporary stage of capitalism. If what China is doing right now is similar to the NEP that makes China capitalist. Also 1928 is the first year of the five year plans, when the NEP was abolished and the USSR became socialist.

Well he called it state-capitalism, capitalism under a socialist DoTP.

China uses the same elements but with a dominant socialist sector of the economy, wich constitutes the country as a socialist one

Austin Ward
Austin Ward

As long as capitalism exists elsewhere repression of internal dissidents will be required in order to prevent imperialist sabotage and subversion.

Brody Parker
Brody Parker

Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism
That's his point.
It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc
It still is a developing country
That's because they desire those things. The resources to develop ARE there. It's capitalism that's keeping them down, and they're choosing to have it.
That's absolutely ridiculous. You can't force the people to adopt socialism, they must do it themselves through revolution. China had a revolution, that was betrayed and now it enforces the capitalist status quo upon its population using state violence.

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

Except that to pay for Chinese “Investments” have to pay in debt
Except that thats just oversimplified U.S. propaganda tier bullshit.
There are large Chinese grants that absolutely do not need to be paid back.
There are different types of investments that vary from most favourable credits for the creditors to planned losses for the Chinese lenders. Many Chinese credits are exactly the opposite of the proclaimed debt traps. China is often lending money to faciliate growth without any exploitation i.e. zero or near zero interest credits because it benefits China more if the economy is growing in independent foreign countries trading then with tham than throwing more money at business in China that struggle to grow further in the current economic system.

debt they can’t pay,
In most cases they can or could if somone would actually invest in them and not just try to debtrap them like the IMF that is behind the screeching about Chinas mutual investments that quit the other way around in general result in countries being able to grow from the investment.

which they often can’t pay
This is a simply wrong U.S. propaganda lie and hypbolic and false narrative repeating the ever same few cases that are many times in fact not fully or not even mainly Chinese investment projects and definitely not something common.

Which results in China owning their infrastructure.
or not and they are just compensated in a way that does not equal ownership at all but is sold as such in hyperbolic and dishonest U.S. propaganda.
Or in the Chinese business lending the money is going bankrupt
Or in China extending the debts resulting in them being able to pay it back after all
Or in China kjust slashing the debts

Go shill your onesided White House propaganda page narratives elsewhere.

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

Well Government ownership of the economy doesnt neccecarily constitute socialism
No, but your using the word socialism as “government ownership of the economy” when you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.
It still lacks behind in medicin, agriculture, poverty rates, wages etc
It still is a developing country
Yes, but China is also has the highest industrial output in the world. It has enough productive forces to move beyond markets and develop soly using five year plans and develop faster using just five year plans than by using the current system. The reason China doesn’t do this isn’t because they can’t, but because the CCP is run by billionaires who don’t want to do this.
youtube.com/watch?v=p3P3phdEibY

Logan Sanders
Logan Sanders

No, but your using the word socialism as “government ownership of the economy” when you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.

>you argue China is socialist because it has state owned companies.

I don't

Yes, but China is also has the highest industrial output in the world. It has enough productive forces to move beyond markets and develop soly using five year plans and develop faster using just five year plans than by using the current system. The reason China doesn’t do this isn’t because they can’t, but because the CCP is run by billionaires who don’t want to do this.

Well their high industrial output doesn'T say anything about the state of their overall Productive Forces though. Yes, they are quite developed in some areas but they need to develop in others.

They are still a developing country

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Yes, they are quite developed in some areas but they need to develop in others.
Capitalism won’t, and will never develop the interior of China, because Capital only develops the “most efficient” “most competitive” areas. Look at Burgerland, the most developed country in the world, a handful of it’s cities account for most of it’s GDP. If the CCP thinks’ capitalism will be different in China they are deluding themselves.

Brody Sullivan
Brody Sullivan

fastest growing economy on the planet within the last decades
fastest rise in living standards on the planet
<the policy of the CPC is keeping them down

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Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

The main topic at the last party congress was to overcome the unequal development between cities and the countryside. It's their main agenda point now and remember that Chinese companies are either state-owned or must obey state orders. So let's see what happens.

Hunter Mitchell
Hunter Mitchell

It’d be a lot easier without markets, but let’s see what’ll happen.

Angel King
Angel King

Capitalism won’t, and will never develop the interior of China, because Capital only develops the “most efficient” “most competitive” areas. Look at Burgerland, the most developed country in the world, a handful of it’s cities account for most of it’s GDP. If the CCP thinks’ capitalism will be different in China they are deluding themselves.

Correct, that is why the CPCh uses socialist planning to target those problem areas

Angel Green
Angel Green

This. If eliminating poverty, raising living standards and growing the economy is the goal, clearly whatever the Chinese are doing seems to be working. Mao was based but China was poor as shit during his time. Would China have developed at the same rate if they preserved Mao era economic policy? Maybe, but probably not.

Dylan Nguyen
Dylan Nguyen

Caspian Report
lol thanks for proving my point about your retarded U.S. propaganda

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

the amount of idpol and socdem fellation over there is depressing. not mentioning literally half the post are about pewdiepie since the shooting, as if thats where we should look for an explaination

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

I started looking at breadtube when an university profesor studying media bias toward Venezuela did an ama, which was great, but 80% is shitty liberal content

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

probably about to die
fuck it
"你好, 小熊維尼!"

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Liam Green
Liam Green

i dont
you do you fucking dengoid
their high industrial output doesn'T say anything about the state of their overall Productive Forces
just fucking kys faggot how can you be this fucking dishonest
you're irredeemable, i rly want to believe china still has some worker state characteristics, but all evidence show it wrong. use some fucking arguments ffs, instead of those blatantly dishonest excuses. answer to marxists that point out massive contradiction between the displayed goal and the interests of the fucking billionaires with huge power in the party. dont pretend its a developing country if you want to be taken serioudly you retard.

Nolan Mitchell
Nolan Mitchell

you do you fucking dengoid

Can you point me to, where I argue in that manner?

My point is, that China is a socialist workers state, since China hold a DotP and a socialist economic sector that is the main sector of the Chinese ecnomy.

That sector is socialist, because it operates in a socialist Manner, with workers congresses that are being appointed by workers and the ACTU. It is structured as any other workers democracy in all of socialists states history.

just fucking kys faggot how can you be this fucking dishonest

you're irredeemable, i rly want to believe china still has some worker state characteristics, but all evidence show it wrong.

what evidence?

use some fucking arguments ffs, instead of those blatantly dishonest excuses

I did, and listet sources you can read to educate yourself see here

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

Policy or practice based on the political or economic theory of socialism

Even the definition you cited supports China being socialist

David Howard
David Howard

Their strong nationalism and focus to ethnicity makes me feel a tad too nervous

Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

China is socialist and there's nothing you seething western imperialist liberal porkies can do about it

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Dominic Morales
Dominic Morales

*arrests Marxist students*

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

A few brainlet questions:
How bad is poverty in China compared to India, and how many people work in sweatshops? How does the government justify the oppression of the uyghurs and the fact that taiwan/japan/south-korea is way more developed and poverty-free despite being capitalist and starting from being the same war torn shithole? How many chinese will have the living standards of the average japanese in the end of this century?

Grayson Ward
Grayson Ward

How bad is poverty in China compared to India,
not remotely comparable, see pic

and how many people work in sweatshops
It's mixed. You would need a more specific question to get real data.

How does the government justify the oppression of the uyghurs
It doesn't exist. The CIA and Saudi Arabia do not have a right to brainwash Chinese citizens into joining the Turkistan Islamic Party terrorist group.

the fact that taiwan/japan/south-korea is way more developed and poverty-free despite being capitalist and starting from being the same war torn shithole
uh-huh…

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Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

Just because sweatshop workers (which are like a tenth of the population) aren't in extreme poverty doesn't mean that they aren't suffering.
Uyghurs just want to practice their religion and be distributed the fruits of the resources in xinjiang, which all go to han chinese.
taiwan is better than china in every single way except maybe tourism factors like heritage sites or food, and they are capitalist and had the same economic conditions as the mainland after the wars.

Jack Hill
Jack Hill

/pol/ falseflagger or gullible liberal, what's it gonna be?

uzbekistan
capitalist restoration really did a number on them huh

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Eli Torres
Eli Torres

Muh ciarxist students.

Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

As I am genuine it would have to be the latter case. Don't you see their incredibly strict immigration laws as symbolic of nationalism?

Jacob Nguyen
Jacob Nguyen

fastest growing economy on the planet within the last decades
More like the history of humankind.
fastest rise in living standards on the planet
More like the history of humankind.

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

Bourg Revolution
Good
This is the age which many internet right wings want us to forget form what ever was happened after Xinhai Revolution.
youtube.com/watch?v=olJiyaSYeUI

Austin Sullivan
Austin Sullivan

What do you want? Total open border so that the CIA and Western NGOs and think tank can move freely everywhere in China?

Aaron Taylor
Aaron Taylor

Alright /prc/, make me a dengist. What are some books or articles I could read? I'm really skeptical towards China but I'm willing to learn if your sources aren't biased.

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Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

Is China Socialist? The Debate - youtube.com/watch?v=ryaBIjSlteU

Chinese Socialism: A Streaming Talk With Ian Goodrum (Guest talk) - youtube.com/watch?v=wfmjGgWh0AA

I listened to these and thought they were pretty informative. I'm more interested in the question "does China have a marxist/socialist-oriented government?" than "is China in it's current state a socialist society?", so I try to absorb any information that would help me assess the former question and ignore any dumb arguments (for or against) regarding the latter.

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Brody Johnson
Brody Johnson

Don't you see their incredibly strict immigration laws as symbolic of nationalism?
No.

David Gray
David Gray

youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4 I wonder if she was arrested for visiting Zig Forums

Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

Archived
archive.is/S2XYA

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Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

test
Uyghurs just want to practice their religion
I’m anti-Dengist, but this is where you have to stop. State Atheism is a good idea, and those who oppose it are reactionary.
Everyone who disagrees with me is CIA
Wow, great insight.

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

as long as china is smart with their debt - and so far as i can tell they are, they'll be fine.

lagging slightly with debt.

not letting in a bunch of resource suckers / cheap labor. allowing their population to go down.

responsive to the people.

great ally.

could nuke dc if they wanted.

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

lagging slightly w/ tech

Kayden Martinez
Kayden Martinez

Based Comrade Xi.
What trade war? Even more Chinese products coming to US
youtube.com/watch?v=Jj2IjTGyCPg&t=3s
China Ghost cities are now alive and filled with 300 million people -What is going on?
youtube.com/watch?v=8MARuTRNLxU
The Truth About 50 Million Empty Homes in China
youtube.com/watch?v=Bmus9_a_hSI

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

youtube.com/watch?v=8JG1A1IYGm8&frags=pl,wn

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David Gray
David Gray

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Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

What kind of black ops 5 reveal is this?

James Smith
James Smith

What the fuck is this channel?

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Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

Whats that news site from the communist party? Or newspaper? I forgot the name, but didn't bookmark the site …

Joseph Cook
Joseph Cook

After watching a few all I can say is that it feels like if David Dees tried making videos

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

is this a crptic teaser for some video game?

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Gavin Price
Gavin Price

Looking at the other things on that channel it seems like either an elaborate massive shitpost or the makings of someone who might be mentally ill

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Asher Davis
Asher Davis

scumbagwatch.com

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Jace Phillips
Jace Phillips

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Dylan Fisher
Dylan Fisher

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Anthony Watson
Anthony Watson

So I took some time to look into his channel and it's a bunch of Boomer Qanon stuff interlaced with this website blaming doctors/the Canadian tax services of all things for some shit. I also ended up googling this strange ass videos (youtube.com/watch?v=Pfz3CaGLniY) location and I found that it looks like some schizo stole a dead boy's grave marker around the same time.
Food for thought

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Asher Brown
Asher Brown

bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-14/why-china-should-shift-support-to-guaido-in-venezuela

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Blake Martinez
Blake Martinez

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Carter Clark
Carter Clark

scumbagwatch.com

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Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

scumbagwatch.com

So I took some time to look into his channel and it's a bunch of Boomer Qanon stuff interlaced with this website blaming doctors/the Canadian tax services of all things for some shit. I also ended up googling this strange ass videos (youtube.com/watch?v=Pfz3CaGLniY) location and I found that it looks like some schizo stole a dead boy's grave marker around the same time.
Food for thought

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

canadafurst.blogspot.com

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

So what happened with corporations in China giving out faulty vaccines exactly?

Christopher Murphy
Christopher Murphy

For some reason that looks like a stegano image.

Easton Hall
Easton Hall

Matt Taylor never Existed
mrxinvestigations.home.blog/2019/04/20/matt-taylors-reign-of-terror-is-over/

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James White
James White

schizos please fuck off

John Bailey
John Bailey

reuters.com/article/us-china-health-idUSKCN1RW0EK?utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_content=5cbb749a16ce3f0001419eaa&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

China draws up tighter rules on human gene and embryo trials: Xinhua

wtf is China doing?

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

Why the fuck doesn't Xi just cut his losses and let Hong Kong secede? I get that there's potential for a recession and also for war but China is strong enough now it really could whether both things particularly if it had Russia and Indiacon it's side which it most certainly would

With the EU slowly going to shit the only traditional ally hong Kong woild have in a potential war is the USA and maybe Japan and I highly doubt either of those countries could handle a proxy war with China for very long and probably wouldn't want to even try. Hong Kong would fucking implode eventually from the eventual neoliberal hellscape it would become and with enough suffering might even want reunification after a few years

Henry Price
Henry Price

Creating the perfect prole.

Lincoln Reyes
Lincoln Reyes

Better yet, demographically replace HKers with peasants from Guang Dong, Heilongjiang or anywhere in China. It can be done in a generation or less, especially with their 1.2 tfr (which is likely even lower amongst your average neo-lib anglo-worshipper HKers) and age pyramid.

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

Question to those believing PRC is socialist: how can China be socialist if it has a stock market and advertisements? I get that literally, by definition, a country can still be socialist yet have crappy labor laws, poor pensions, shoddy infrastructure, billionaires – but stock markets and advertisements are just about themselves, by definition, capitalist – no? Surplus value goes into the capitalist system in these ways – there seems to be no weaseling out of this in the way of "But they use the money for social means" or whatever.

Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

"My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?"

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

It has a capitalist market economy controlled by an ideologically communist government controlled by the proletariat. They're developing the productive forces of society and plan to build a new socialist society by 2050.

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

Can you develop on the "proletariat control" thing like said?

Nathaniel Moore
Nathaniel Moore

What the fuck is your problem? Deng already wrestled HK from the West, why would they give it up again?

John Thompson
John Thompson

Why do you think the PRC isn't merely opportunist like Mathieu Kérékou and Said Barre were, calling themselves "communist" just to pacify a real internal communist movement? Who's to say they aren't doing it to prevent another Tienanmen Square?

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

Deng basically compromised on Hong Kong to keep the west out of the mainland for as long as possibke. Now it's causing major problems for them and if it refuses to be annexed for the cause of defeating America and building socialism should be crushed

Carter Myers
Carter Myers

Is it really causing major problems though? Hong Cucks are just being uppity even though China is just continuing HK's integration with the rest of the mainland as planned.

Henry Howard
Henry Howard

It isn't right at this moment but it's already being used by the west to stoke even more aggression against the mainland and if Hong Kong hardliners themselves form into a unified political mass it could really turn into a clusterfuck down the line. Xi can't just invade and forcefully annex them cuz it would be atrocious pr (see the Hungarian revolution or Putin's invasion of crimea) so his only real options are to encourage and allow them to secede or what

You have to nip things like this in the bud and trying to let Hong Kong become a country now would be so chaotic it would negate itself as a potential threat. It's kind of the same thing as the consensus among leftists about Trump which is that it's better to go through this hard-right period with an pad like Trump at the helm because if he wasn't and Hillary gave us a 3rd Obama term an actual intelligent and cunning fascist would show up later

Charles King
Charles King

pandaily.com/amazon-quits-china-market-another-u-s-e-commerce-giant-failing-in-china/

Amazon will close its domestic e-commerce marketplace business in China, effective from July 18. The company will keep running other business sections in China, including Amazon Web Services, Kindle e-books, and cross-border operations.

The exit marked an end of the company’s 15 years of journey into the China market for their rigid localization in business strategy and management.

“We are notifying sellers we will no longer operate a marketplace on Amazon.cn (the Chinese-language site) and we will no longer be providing seller services on Amazon.cn effective July 18,” the company said in a statement as Financial Times reported.

cnbc.com/2019/04/18/amazon-china-marketplace-closing-down-heres-why.html

Amazon has faced stiff competition from Chinese e-commerce giants Alibaba and JD.com. It’s also been less visible in terms of marketing, and its differentiating factors have diminished.

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Grayson Evans
Grayson Evans

Huawei
Interesting thing is I read somewhere* that Huawei is to a large degree controlled by the people working there, with internal elections and stuff.
Amazon Quits China Market
Scientific proof that Jeff Bezos has zero long-term thinking skills and is just a dipshit who got lucky.

*90 % sure it was either junge Welt online or Unsere Zeit, can't find such an article so maybe it was just a reader's comment

David Rodriguez
David Rodriguez

Based Xi

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Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

Lol retarded. China will import oil from Iran and stop exporting rare earth materials to the West. They don't need to give a shit about bad pr lmao.

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

So why doesn't Xi just smash the,border and grab them already? Why all the back and forth?

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

why doesn't Xi just smash the, border and grab

"smash and grab" is imperialism, it doesn't work, we have millennia of evidence where great powers did that and then disappeared, and the reason is simple, a "smash and grab" is one time economic boost, while "back and forth" is continuous.

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

it's imperialism to take back a piece of your own country from the west with very little net economic damage to either region
Wut

Sebastian Green
Sebastian Green

oh never mind then

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

Because they don't wanna destroy their country and economy in a pointless war with Burgers over a fucking island.

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

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Adam Gray
Adam Gray

China will import oil from Iran
us would shut down the straight of hormuz

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

Killing the dollar softly: China lobbies ASEAN on yuan use to expand economic influence
rt.com/business/457608-china-asean-dollar-crackdown/

David Martin
David Martin

so what?

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Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

Drumpf lost Pakistan. China backed Pakistan during the recent conflict they had. Even if they shut down the straits with the US navy which wont happen Iran will pipeline through Pakistan into China which will happen regardless in the near future

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

A lot of Iran's oilfields and infrastructure is on the Western side of the Strait of Hormuz, and the south-Eastern parts of Iran borders Pakistan's unstable tribal areas of Baluchistan (i.e., greater risk of attack by insurgents). Re-routing the oil-infrastructure east of the strait is of course possible, but it's very expensive and not done in an instant either.
Also it's not like the US navy can't sink or seize ships off the coasts of Oman or Pakistan and block the strait itself at the same time, lol.

The only way to secure Iranian oil supplies to China is through the land route planned in the Belt and Road Initiative, through Central Asia (or Pakistan, i forget) and into Xinjiang province, which is why China is so hyped about the project. The Belt and Road will massively undermine US leverage over China.

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Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

imagine unironically shilling the cultural revolution in AD 2019
all fun and games until you get beaten to death in the street because your classmate thinks you look like a counter-revolutionary nerd

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Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Serious question: I possess a Huawei, does this in any way make it harder for the American and European governments to spy on me than with a Samsung/Iphone/…? Even if the Chinese spy on me, I much prefer that to being watched by the CIA.
Regional safety and stable trade relations are China's foremost priorities right now, a large military confrontation is the last thing they want. Which is also why the US/Japan/Philippines screeching about "Chinese imperialism" and comparing the country to Nazi Germany is completely idiotic.

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

If you want to understand Chinese regional politics and US/China relations, DEFINITELY read this book
goodreads.com/book/show/34434571-the-us-vs-china

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

Yes, China has been carrying out several liberalizations

No it hasn't. The expectation in the Hu-Wen era was that they'd de-gear the SOE sector, or even fully privatize some of them. They haven't. They've completely gone back on that.

God Zig Forums are so fucking dumb about East Asian communist movements.

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

especially with their 1.2 tfr

Shenzhen's TFR is even lower m8. All of the Eastern seaboard cities have incredibly low fertility rates.

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

Care to say some things about it? or know where to find a copy? can't find on libgen.

Joshua Baker
Joshua Baker

gorillion year old temple
bourgeois culture
capitalism is only .001 gorillion years old

Liam Scott
Liam Scott

So China is economically capitalist but has maintained communist ideology independent of the economic base for decades?

Caleb Perez
Caleb Perez

First, Android is backdoored to hell and back, you need to get rid of that first.

Second, all phones probably get bugged in-house before being sold on the market or allowed through customs so you probably would need to personally smuggle one directly from the manufactur and prevent cust*ms from touching it to keep CIA niggers out of your phone.

Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

The few people who actually know what social credit is often promote dystopian visions of it because they think all Chinese law is illegitimate, and hate the idea of the enforcement of law becoming more effective.
Social Credit is China’s version of the NSA. While not inherently evil their is no reason to support it as long as China remains a capitalist country.
Guys, what is going on in Xinjiang and Urumqi?
A remnit of China’s socialist history.
Bourgieous ideology often uses symbolism and ascetics from pre-capitalist eras to legitimize it’s self.

William Morris
William Morris

First, Android is backdoored to hell and back, you need to get rid of that first.
I don't think my phone has Android. Or do all huawei phones? am tech illiterate
Second, all phones probably get bugged in-house before being sold on the market or allowed through customs so you probably would need to personally smuggle one directly from the manufactur and prevent cust*ms from touching it to keep CIA niggers out of your phone.
I did buy it in South Africa though, no idea how bugged it's likely to be.
Basically it's a very well-researched book about the subject that tackles it from a left-wing perspective, clearly more sympathetic to China than to America but without losing objectivity. It discusses China's economic model and American attempts to restrain the economic/political expansion of China, debunking the whole narrative of China being some kind of imperialist power that wants to subvert the world. It then goes on to discuss the political position and recent history of many Asian countries (Japan, NK/SK, Philippines, Taiwan, India,..) in great detail - honestly might be a bit too much detail in some sections, but it's all very interesting and insightful nonetheless.
or know where to find a copy? can't find on libgen.
Yeah sadly I think you may have to buy it or loan it from a library. I got it as a present myself; would consider scanning it but i have it in translation

Brody Walker
Brody Walker

Polluted water, gutter oil, poisonous milk powder, poisonous running track, putian hospital, haze, children being stolen and robbed, society becoming indifferent and even values being distorted, all these make them feel uncomfortable, suffocated and afraid.
Many of them have good ideas, but they don't have much of a say in society.They are sober, cynical people, but most of the time their words are drowned out by official mainstream views and secular western fishing views.They watched the gourd-eating masses confused and misled by fake masters, pseudonyms and experts, who wanted to rebut were soon overwhelmed by the so-called fan economy.They look at the populist kidnapping and blind patriotism of the grassroots people, just want to stand up and complain twice, but immediately they are called grassroots people, and then have to worry about their Japanese cars and phones being smashed.They have become a "clean, pretentious" race, often mocked and used as well as ridiculed for corrupt officials and fifty points.Even the janitors of their villages or parking lots dare to provoke them. They are helpless, without any dignity or legal guarantee.In society, cheaters run wild, but they adhere to the moral bottom line and sense of justice;There is no place to protect our rights.We want the rule of law, dignity, security and voice, but we are always afraid of harmony and loud voices.

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

I don't think my phone has Android.
Unless you have an iphone, you have Android. It's an OS from Google like windows is from Microsoft. just think about it, a private, for-profit megacorporation that has monopolies, completely controls "your" device and knows 99% of people are tech illiterate. How do you think they will treat you?
gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.en.html

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Grayson Flores
Grayson Flores

Why do I get the feeling that it would look exactly like the light in the suitcase from Pulp Fiction?

Ryder Cox
Ryder Cox

Why China is US’ number one adversary

[…] If you revisit Davidson’s choice of wording above, he referred to China as the “principal threat to US interests” which doesn’t necessarily correspond to an actual military threat. A threat to US “interests” almost always relates to an economic interest. The threat only becomes a military one when the US decides that it needs to counter said country with the US military, relying on brute strength only to deter nations from adopting stances which weaken its economy.

This week, representatives from 150 nations including global leaders of around 40 countries are gathering in Beijing for President Xi’s second Belt and Road forum, including all the leaders of the 10 countries that form ASEAN. To date, China has signed 173 cooperation documents on its Silk Road Project with a whopping 125 countries and 29 international organizations.

China has thus far invested over $90 billion in these countries between 2013 and 2018, with average annual growth currently sitting at 5.2 percent. Likewise, $40 billion was invested back into China from these Belt and Road nations, with total trade between the two components reaching as much as $6 trillion.

Last month, Italy became the first G7 country to sign up to the initiative, with other EU members indicating that they will follow suit. For example, Austria and Portugal are notable European nations set to take part in the upcoming forum. Britain, Switzerland, France, Spain, and Australia are also rumored to be intrigued enough to sign Belt and Road inspired agreements with China without formally endorsing the project.

When Beijing said every country is welcome to sign up, it means literally almost everyone. This has created a monumental headache not only for Washington, but the wider EU in general.

Just this week, Spain’s foreign minister and former president of the European Parliament Josep Borrell Fontelles said that China’s current trade and infrastructure proposals reflect a new state of being that China has become a world power.

“[The belt and road] is proof that China is no longer considering itself a net receiver and starts considering itself a contributor to the world, and this is something Spain welcomes,” Borrell told the South China Morning Post (SCMP).

[…] Reportedly, the joint statement is the next step toward the creation of an EU-China Comprehensive Investment Agreement by 2020 which is aimed at improving market access and eliminating practices that discriminate against foreign investors.

[…] Whether the US can realistically take China on militarily remains to be seen, but it certainly does seem that the “America first” doctrine of the Trump administration (if it is indeed putting “America first”) is leaving a global void which China is more than happily filling itself. And despite all criticism thrown at China for its practices, there does appear to be a vital difference in the way that China goes about filling the void left by the United States. Where the US relies on threats, blunt force, CIA-led coups and the like to achieve its aims, China thus far largely prefers a more diplomatic and cooperative approach based on business and trade.

In my estimation, the more the EU jumps on board with China’s initiative, the less influence will ultimately remain in Washington’s hands. In that instance, the US may resort to all-out war, and the preparations for this showdown are being carried out right before our eyes.

rt.com/op-ed/457530-belt-road-threat-china-us/

Nathan Edwards
Nathan Edwards

It keeps amazing me how RT tends to be so spot-on and genuinely leftist in their analysis

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

They allow the real opposition to surface spearheaded by leftist journos when it comes to the West or geopolitics, but they severely limit the same when it comes Russia.

Thomas Perry
Thomas Perry

RT's European line is anti-EU and pro nu-right movements. Their US line is more social democratic and anti-imperialist.

William Howard
William Howard

If you don't like corporate monopolies and capitalist state surveillance over the closest thing to a public sphere you're a fascist uwu.

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

Please protect this reactionary death cult :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧(
Based.
A bloo bloo bloo muh statues
Those ghosts sure saved the Chinese from millennia of feudalism, prostitution, colonialism, drugs, and rape huh? The Chinese freed themselves from the shackles of a failed myth and a sick culture.

Anthony Jackson
Anthony Jackson

Once I had a discussion with a comrade from my party and he made a pretty good point, how cultural revolution should be done right: Our city has a cathedral as landmark and he said, instead of destroying it, we should just turn it into a natatorium.

Chase Robinson
Chase Robinson

The PRC is:

Nationalist
Technocratic
Increasingly traditionalist
Racially conscious
Confucian

I'll field this. China's stock market isn't really a big source of capital formation. Most firms have a capital structure that leans heavily on debt from state owned banks.

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

Can someone explain how the economic system of China works? How free is their market? What about the SEZs?
pls respond

Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

nu-right
hurr.jpeg

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre

反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward

文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution

人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system

民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行

法輪功 Falun Dafa 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗

胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨

獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 肅清 活摘器官

黑社會 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩

台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama

新疆維吾爾自治區

The Хinjiang Uyghur Αutοnοmοus Region 新疆维吾尔自治区

Aaron Long
Aaron Long

Did you just discover that pasta so you're spamming it everywhere?

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

nu-right
"populist" right is a term manufactured by bourgeois media to legitimize and enable the nu-right and acclimatize people to increasing reaction.

Adam Cruz
Adam Cruz

Rcp is a cult

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

theregister.co.uk/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_router_backdoor_is_telnet/
A claimed deliberate spying "backdoor" in Huawei routers used in the core of Vodafone Italy's 3G network was, in fact, a Telnet-based remote debug interface.
The Bloomberg financial newswire reported this morning that Vodafone had found "vulnerabilities going back years with equipment supplied by Shenzhen-based Huawei for the carrier’s Italian business".
"Europe's biggest phone company identified hidden backdoors in the software that could have given Huawei unauthorized access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy," wailed the newswire.
Unfortunately for Bloomberg, Vodafone had a far less alarming explanation for the deliberate secret "backdoor" – a run-of-the-mill LAN-facing diagnostic service, albeit a hardcoded undocumented one
"The 'backdoor' that Bloomberg refers to is Telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the internet," said the telco in a statement to The Register, adding: "Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this 'could have given Huawei unauthorized access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy'.

Jacob Miller
Jacob Miller

wow, totally didn't see that one coming

Jaxon Bell
Jaxon Bell

hey, is there some non capitalist source on Tienanmen square ? Was it half as bad as it sounds or is ti usual insane propaganda ?

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

will someone please give me a source that I agree with saying a country with a red flag brutally stomping out a worker and student uprising is OK.

It doesn't exist, China eliminated it from history so they don't talk about it.

Blake Bell
Blake Bell

unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/

This article seems pretty objective

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/

Noah Turner
Noah Turner

thanks guys

Landon Green
Landon Green

What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people's material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People's Republic was that we didn't pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Poverty is not socialism, still less communism.

— Deng Xiaoping, speech discussing Marxist theory at a Central Committee plenum, 30 June 1984

Jonathan Rivera
Jonathan Rivera

boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/13573892
Get the fuck in here

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Kevin Flores
Kevin Flores

Shilling for Capitalism with a red painting
How about no?

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

The Wandering Earth was pretty good. Hope Chinese cinema keeps stepping its game up cause I've had it with Hollywood trash.

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

necessary reminder, China is fascist
markets
private property
wage labor
single party state
authoritarian censorship policies
no internet freedom

Luis Ortiz
Luis Ortiz

Has anyone made a subscribtion of Qiushi? I've read some articles from the website and it seems pretty interesting.

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David Allen
David Allen

What the fuck! Yugo was facist too?

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Sure as hell wasn't socialist what with all that production for exchange

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Jayden Hughes
Jayden Hughes

socialist is the primary stage of communism
Socialism is roughly from each according to their ability, to each according to their work. Alternatively, we could say production for use-value instead of exchange, since Marx said the commodity (the contradiction between use value and exchange value materialized as an object) is the foundation of capitalist relations. Does this describe China in any way? Or is Deng just trying to construct a theoretical veneer to hide his counterrevolutionary tendency behind?
Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces
<not class struggle
<thinking class struggle and developing the productive forces are somehow in contradiction

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

Redpill me on the social credit system.

Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

Western propaganda for most part. foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

Exaggerated by western media. Here in Germany, our "social credit system" is called Schufa.

Nathan Hughes
Nathan Hughes

And let me add to that that Schufa has zero transparency, charges people if they want to know their score, and is not controlled by any public institution.

Josiah Sullivan
Josiah Sullivan

newleftreview.org/issues/II115

Isaiah King
Isaiah King

China ‘has no interest’ in joining US-Russia nuclear deal – FM

rt.com/newsline/459244-china-us-russia-nuclear

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi has said his country isn’t interested in negotiating a nuclear arms control treaty with the US and Russia.

Wang was in Russia’s Sochi for talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Monday, a day before US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is set to do the same.

US President Donald Trump is withdrawing from a landmark nuclear treaty with Russia and has said he wants a new agreement that includes China as well.

Wang told reporters that China “has no interest” in being part of such a treaty, AP reported. He added that China keeps its arsenal of nuclear weapons at “the minimal level to ensure the defense policies.”

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Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

What if the third world war is between a socialist US and whatever China becomes?

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Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

does anybody still have that gif of anime deng xiaoping

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Brody Collins
Brody Collins

Does anybody have an ebook of One China Many Paths?

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

U.S.S.A. vs. Chinese Characteristics
That is so spectacularly ironic that I have no doubt that it will happen.

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

You mean the US implements some mild social democracy and all chauvinist leftoids will say it's socialism and support a war against China.

Owen Reyes
Owen Reyes

Now this is something that might happen actually.

Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

it's second international opportunism all over again

Easton Allen
Easton Allen

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Nicholas Clark
Nicholas Clark

I am not kidding by the way - wealth disparity usually decreases during wartime cause keeping it at the same level would literally starve a large part of the population. Socdems are easily bribed and would probably support the war effort because of this.

Ian Reyes
Ian Reyes

China is a socialist country, and a developing country as well. China belongs to the Third World. Consistently following Chairman Mao’s teachings, the Chinese Government and people firmly support all oppressed peoples and oppressed nations in their struggle to win or defend national independence, develop the national economy and oppose colonialism, imperialism and hegemonism. This is our bounden internationalist duty. China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one. What is a superpower? A superpower is an imperialist country which everywhere subjects other countries to its aggression, interference, control, subversion or plunder and strives for world hegemony. If capitalism is restored in a big socialist country, it will inevitably become a superpower. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, which has been carried out in China in recent years, and the campaign of criticizing Lin Piao and Confucius now under way throughout China, are both aimed at preventing capitalist restoration and ensuring that socialist China will never change her colour and will always stand by the oppressed peoples and oppressed nations. If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it.

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Dylan Murphy
Dylan Murphy

Once China has constructed a Dyson sphere, it'll be ready to move to the next stage of socialism

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Easton Butler
Easton Butler

China belongs to the Third World
No they don’t

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Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

Ok nbew to /prc/ can I get a quick run down

Is this just about modern day china or maoism too?

Thomas Williams
Thomas Williams

youtube.com/watch?v=zQk5zd4Y1A0
youtube.com/watch?v=6xfvx0Ll2IE

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

There should be more Mao discussion this thread

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Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

war between US and China
How? Their is a huge fucking ocean between they two countries.

Jayden Nguyen
Jayden Nguyen

Missiles, planes, ships. The US also has a bunch of military bases in its colonies around China.

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

but bureaucrats really do share a different relation to the MoP than workers/farmers, even if they're vital to the operation of the state.

if the bureaucrats in china really did want to rule as a ruling class, there is nothing stopping them from dissolving the socialist system like the bureaucrats in the ussr did. the fact that china survived the 90s and is still going strong proves that if nothing else, the party's goal remains building socialism

Hudson Foster
Hudson Foster

The burocrats privitized half of the economy, and privatization grows every years. Calling yourself “socialist” doesn’t make you socialist.

Austin Price
Austin Price

Guam and Wake Island are still pretty far from China. The only way the US goes to war with China is if the China is at war with Taiwan or India and the US joins the anti-China side.

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

No, the UN did not report China has 'massive internment camps' for Uighur muslims

Media outlets from Reuters to The Intercept falsely claimed the UN had condemned China for holding a million Uighurs in camps. The claim is based on unsourced allegations by two independent commission members, US-funded outfits and a shadowy opposition group.

thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

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Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

They’re fascists.

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

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Ryder Flores
Ryder Flores

And the U.S. is just as likely to side against India in support of Pakistan. The U.S. is playing The Man With No Name in the India-Pakistan rivalry.

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Parker Robinson
Parker Robinson

So is there a way for Xi to gulag Jack Ma or something?
theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2019/may/15/jack-ma-china-996-work-669-sex

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Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

Maybe twenty years ago, but not today. Now that China is a major threat to US interests stoping China is the major goal of US foreign policy, just like stoping Germany was the major goal of British foreign policy in the early 1900s. India hates China, therefore America loves India.

Owen Gray
Owen Gray

r/MMA
Sage Northcutt: I think ONE Championship is amazing and everyone is amazing in Asia
<i'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that everything is not at all amazing in asia. china is executing people over their religion, selling the organs of these people they execute, censor the internet, have implemented a "social score" for citizens which encourages you to stay in line and not fight against this incredibly totalitarian regime, since people with low scores might not get jobs, mortgages or ability to buy plane tickets, and the president recently removed the limit on his term, meaning he can rule forever. It's already VERY BAD in China, and the way it is set up, will only get worse for the hundreds of millions of poor people who literally have no way out. Sorry to "debbie down" good ol clean Sage's comments, but what's happening in China sounds like it should be out of the 1950's but its 2019 and no one's doing anything about it.
Can't even avoid this shit when I just wanna turn off my brain and read some MMA discussion.
inb4 that what you get for going on reddit and yes i agree

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

To be precise, Ma said: “To be able to work 996 is huge bliss.”

Ayden Sanchez
Ayden Sanchez

m.en.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20190430-shen-yun-culture-or-cult-tb-published-may-13-2019
Article on Falung Gong, their multi-million dollars Shen Yun spectacle, their many names lobby groups, and the Mecca/Saint Peter they are building in Deerpark.

On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen, and is it a good thing?

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Jack Ma needs to be worked literally to death

Jose King
Jose King

On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen, and is it a good thing?
It does happen, but it's fairly rare compared to other black market trades since most lumpenbourgs aren't willing to deal with the extreme risk involved. Though if any country were to ever have a real life Max Payne 3 plot it'd def be China.

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

I was thinking more specifically about Falung Gong practitioners being kidnap by the municipal polices, because of their renown good health due yo their Falung Dafa lifestyle.

Joseph Young
Joseph Young

we're being persecuted because of our good health
Imagine actually believing this. Part of the reason Falun Gong is supressed is because they don't go the doctor and don't vaccinate. They're the Chinese equivalent of anti-vaxxers and are rightly supressed for being a threat to public health.

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Jonathan Myers
Jonathan Myers

On a side note, does organ harvesting really happen
yes, but not much more than other countries. Every country minus maybe Iceland has some organ harvesting to some extent.
and is it a good thing?
Obviously not
Part of the reason Falun Gong is supressed is because they don't go the doctor and don't vaccinate.
Oh god, their the Chinese version of Jahova Witness.

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

This article has useful facts about China's system:
The “Surprise” of Authoritarian Resilience in China
archive.fo/JxeiZ
americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

Future Huawei phones will be free from Google-Bloatware! Another reason to buy Huawei

youtube.com/watch?v=iveUtWZ4lkk

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Aaron Lee
Aaron Lee

Can any of you Dengoids tell me how the healthcare reform is going? Will there be free healthcare by 2020?

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Jonathan Torres
Jonathan Torres

China's other nuclear option in trade war with US – Rare earth materials

rt.com/business/459994-china-rare-earth-metals-ban/

Beijing has yet another economic weapon to use against Washington in the escalating trade row – a possible embargo on vital rare earth metals needed to make everything from high-tech devices to fighter jets.

A routine visit by President Xi Jinping to a Chinese rare earths facility earlier this week came amid rising tensions between the two countries and shortly after the US turned up the heat on Chinese tech giant Huawei. Despite the lack of any official announcement from Beijing, the visit has triggered fears that China is ready to use the materials, specifically a ban on their export, as an advantage against the US.

Rare earth materials are indeed one more way China can retaliate, independent political analyst, Alessandro Bruno, told RT.

“It could put heavy restrictions on the rare earth metals that are necessary to make all kinds of electronic equipment, especially phones. This is a significant threat because the West does not have its own supply,” he explained.

The minerals are unsurprisingly not included on the US list of $200 billion worth of Chinese goods facing higher import tariffs. Shortly after Chinese and other media reported that Beijing is considering an embargo, shares of rare earth miners skyrocketed.

On Tuesday, the rare-earth sector jumped by 8.5 percent, according to Global Times. China Rare Earth Holdings Ltd enjoyed the biggest gains in the industry as its shares soared 108 percent.

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Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

Started to read Deng. Check out this quote here:
" We will make an objective assessment of Chairman Mao’s contributions and his mistakes. We will reaffirm that his contributions are primary and his mistakes secondary. We will adopt a realistic approach towards the mistakes he made late in life. We will continue to adhere to Mao Zedong Thought, which represents the correct part of Chairman Mao’s life. Not only did Mao Zedong Thought lead us to victory in the revolution in the past; it is — and will continue to be — a treasured possession of the Chinese Communist Party and of our country. That is why we will forever keep Chairman Mao’s portrait on Tiananmen Gate as a symbol of our country, and we will always remember him as a founder of our Party and state. Moreover, we will adhere to Mao Zedong Thought. We will not do to Chairman Mao what Khrushchov did to Stalin."
dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/answers-to-the-italian-journalist-oriana-fallaci/

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Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

Unironically tempted to get a Huawei just because of the fuss the US government is making about it. Am I thinking on the level of a "doing stupid shit to trigger the libs" reactionary?

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

Am I thinking on the level of a "doing stupid shit to trigger the libs" reactionary?
Yes, if you want a Huawei phone look up it’s stats for cost, data storage, batter life, and processing speed compared to other phones and make the most logical choice. Buying commodities from one company over another because you think the company that makes it is more “ethical” or whatever is liberal-tier retardation.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

Under normal circumstances I would agree however huawei is on the frontlines of combat vs US economic imperialism during period of protracted people's war. If on long march during luding bridge crossing red army sentries suddenly declare "I have already fired at capitalist reactionary forces for 8 hours so I'm going to stop now" said sentries would rightful consigned to firing squad asap. Huawei workers realize every line of code written is another stake driven into the coffin of capitalism. Thus exceptions must be made to defend socialism, defend marxist ideology, defend leninist ideology, defend china, defend chinese working class prosperity, defend communist party, and defend chinese advancement in productive forces.

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

Based and Dengpilled.

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

US economic imperialism
lol

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Hudson Johnson
Hudson Johnson

you are a human and harnessing such psychological mechanisms to make you feel good are just fine provided you maintain perspective. Making use of spontaneous self brainwashing and psycho-manipulation is perfectly acceptable, and even to be encouraged, if you have the mental discipline to retain objective grounding while doing so. Irrational fanaticism can be powerful and optimally you could turn such thinking on and off at will.

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

So are the reports of China's terrible working conditions all just Western propaganda?

Because otherwise I can't see how you could view the PRC as socialist.

Jordan Rogers
Jordan Rogers

Let us project two countries' healthcare system, shall we?
USA
(richest country on Earth, lol)
Obungo: make it partially free
20k Americans die every year, lol
<China
(Third world country, lol)
<Makes every year more accessible its healthcare system

MAKES ME THUNK

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Jose Robinson
Jose Robinson

Unironically tempted to get a Huawei

only if it's hackable/rootable (ie. you can install LineageOS on it). planned obsolescence via locked-down operating systems/firmware is a thing.

Buying commodities from one company over another because you think the company that makes it is more “ethical” or whatever is liberal-tier retardation.

conscious/political consumerism does tend to be ineffective, it's like telling people to shop at a local store instead of ordering online at amazon

you purchasing a huawei isn't going to make a dent in the trade war.

Huawei workers realize every line of code written is another stake driven into the coffin of capitalism.
not sure what huawei being forced to write their own android fork and app store to compete with google android and google play has to do with "driving a stake into the coffin of capitalism"

Nathaniel Wood
Nathaniel Wood

U.S. Banks are terrified by chinese payment apps
youtube.com/watch?v=Fcep4P79y3o

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

A routine visit… has triggered fears that China is ready to use the materials.
Indeed. There is actually no sign from China that it plans to do this, but for some reason the US commentariat has gone into overdriving insisting that the will. As far as I can tell, only this visit and hot air from Global Times has provided any basis from the Chinese side. Basically, it is bullshit. Why are US commentators trying to create this threat out of nothing? I think it has to do with reinforcing US hawkishness. Somehow China has to be threatening the US.

I don't hear many voices of reason. It seems the most vocal China experts do not actually have any sources in China, and many or most even have a poor grasp of the language. The China that they sold to the US is just something they made up.

Aaron King
Aaron King

If you are wondering why US groups all started to say 1-3 million it's because the state department said 1 million, and the pentagon said 3 million, and the refused to reconcile these numbers when asked or clarify which one is the US official estimate. So 1-3.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

No it won't. If the US changes significantly it will be from a massive stimulus program that makes the Military Industrial Complex the explicit foundation of the US economy and academy. It's not something we would recognize as socialism.

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

/Ourgirl/ Liu Xin destroys Fox news whore Trish Regan on american TV

youtube.com/watch?v=SvJKZuv3Lqs

Daniel James
Daniel James

host starts with: we will do our very best to not to speak over each other
host continuously speaks over the guest

Colton Peterson
Colton Peterson

lol fox is so butthurt, they have deleted the video

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

Universal Healthcare by 2020
Tuition Free education by 2025
Communism by 2050

Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

Based and redpiled!

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

video.foxbusiness.com/v/6042507238001/
ffmpeg -y -i input.mp4 -c:v libx264 -b:v 60k -vf scale=-1:240 -pass 1 -an -f mp4 NUL && ^
ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v libx264 -b:v 60k -vf scale=-1:240 -pass 2 -c:a aac -b:a 64k output.mp4

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Blake Lee
Blake Lee

investing.com/news/stock-market-news/takeover-of-littleknown-baoshang-casts-doubt-over-other-small-chinese-banks-1882788
BEIJING (Reuters) - A rare government takeover of a little-known Chinese bank has revived concerns about the true health of hundreds of small lenders in the country as a slowing economy and souring loans test their capital buffers and drain their reserves.
Regulators seized Baoshang Bank last week, citing serious credit risks. The sudden takeover of the Inner Mongolia-based lender has fanned worries about other banks with substantial borrowings.

Does someone here is knowledgeable on the Chinese banking system?
Is this bad news for China?

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

China is not a communists economy, thus not communist. Made the 180 pivot in 1988 to Fascism. So let's get it right we should use Chinazis for a nickname official Fascist Republic of China or FRC.

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

Forced visit to labor camp for you.
Really thought, this is such a brainlet take. China is a mixed economy who's oriented towards socialism. People have some weird idea that China exists without any relations to other nations. At the time of reform China's economy was shit while their neighbors's economies were booming. Was China supposed to stay a backwards place that couldn't frequently feed itself? They never abandoned socialism to the extent Russia has and Xi said in a recent talk that they shouldn't forget their country's goal is to have a fully nationalized economy. They don't have much in common with facist

Blake Allen
Blake Allen

A nice discussion to be honest.

Lucas James
Lucas James

China is a mixed economy who's oriented towards socialism.
A country either is socialist or is not. Their is nothing left-wing about “mixed economies” capitalism can’t function without state intervention in the economy. State intervention in the economy is not inherently left-wing. The government doing stuff is not inherently left-wing or socialist. Socialism is the abolition of wage labor, private property, and production for exchange. Both private and state owned companies in China engage in this, therefore China is not socialist.

Henry Green
Henry Green

Folks, this is why Trotskyites were purged.
A country either is socialist or is not. Their is nothing left-wing about “mixed economies” capitalism can’t function without state intervention in the economy. State intervention in the economy is not inherently left-wing. The government doing stuff is not inherently left-wing or socialist.
Conversely, the existence of a market (and even the existence of a bourgeoisie) does not automatically make a country capitalist. This is why the NEP, though it did temporarily create a market and a bourgeoisie, did not magically turn the USSR capitalist.
Socialism is the abolition of wage labor, private property, and production for exchange.
No, that's the end-stage of communism. China, like the USSR was, is a socialist DoTP: a state run by the proletarian class. You cannot abolish wages, property or production for exchange immediately. If you try, your revolution will be crushed in the cradle.
Please read Lenin. For fuck's sake, PLEASE read Lenin.

Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

This is why the NEP, though it did temporarily create a market and a bourgeoisie, did not magically turn the USSR capitalist.
The NEP wasn’t socialism. No one claimed it was. Both Lenin and Stalin admitted it was capitalism. The USSR was not socialist until 1928 when the five year plans started.
No, that's the end-stage of communism.
No Communism is the abolishment of money, and “from each according to his need, to each according to his ability.”
China, like the USSR was, is a socialist DoTP: a state run by the proletarian class.
So then what separates a socialist economy from a social democratic one that isn’t self-identification?

Brayden Martin
Brayden Martin

My specific point about the NEP was that it's the same thing as what China has right now, i.e. a socialist-oriented state, with a capitalist or quasi-capitalist economy. The point being that China is making strides towards renationalization, and to simply say "China is not socialist" is a severe oversimplification.
Secondly: a DoTP, in developing its economy, may or may not have the current capabilities to get rid of wages, property or production for exchange. The way in which these things are abolished is over time, and gradually, while paying attention to the economic needs of the country at the same time. China needed to restore the market in order to make economic progress, but their state is still firmly proletarian and intent on bringing China down the socialist road when it is ready.
So then what separates a socialist economy from a social democratic one that isn’t self-identification?
"Social democracy" nowadays means, socially progressive policies implemented by a bourgeois state in a capitalist economy. You need to pay attention to the class character of the state.

Easton Jenkins
Easton Jenkins

socialist-oriented state
The state isn’t socialist or capitalist, the economy is.
My specific point about the NEP was that it's the same thing as what China has right now,
The NEP lasted five years. Deng’s reforms have lasted forty.
China is making strides towards renationalization
No they aren’t. Xi is still privatizing the economy, albeit at a slower rate than his predecessor.
archive.fo/uUklo
Secondly: a DoTP, in developing its economy, may or may not have the current capabilities to get rid of wages, property or production for exchange.
China is a fucking superpower they could abolish private property in a split second and no one could do anything about it.
China needed to restore the market in order to make economic progress
They had lot’s of growth under Mao.
but their state is still firmly proletarian
Only by self-identification. They are plenty of billionaires in their parliament.
"Social democracy" nowadays means, socially progressive policies implemented by a bourgeois state in a capitalist economy.
Social democracy, nown, a form of capitalism in which parts of the economy are nationalized, and their are strong labor regulations. Private property is still maintained.
This definition fits China perfectly.

Brandon Gonzalez
Brandon Gonzalez

(found on half/pol)

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Michael Kelly
Michael Kelly

mfw you lose points from cheating in vidya
china, you're alright

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Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

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Leo Reed
Leo Reed

The NEP lasted five years. Deng’s reforms have lasted forty.
And they have developed the country rapidly. I don't see why they should return to central planning when it has been shown to be ineffiecent with also turning foreign investment away
No they aren’t. Xi is still privatizing the economy, albeit at a slower rate than his predecessor.
State enterprises play a large role in China and are one of the largest in the world. Here's what the book "The Third Revolution: Xi Jinping and the New Chinese State" says about them

"Other in-stances of mixed ownership suggest a similar reliance on state actors.
The Chinese energy conglomerate Sinopec sold 30 percent of its distri-
bution unit in 2014, but only 10 percent went to private investors while
other SOEs and financial institutions captured the rest."

"In 2017, the NDRC, which holds responsibility for managing mixed-​ownership
experiments, concluded a much-​heralded deal for a subsidiary of China Unicom, one
of China’s state-​owned telecommunications companies in which pri-
vate companies Tencent, Alibaba, Baidu, and JD all took stakes in the
company. Yet a deep dive into the deal by Gavekal analyst Xie Yanmei
revealed that effective state ownership will still be 58 percent. Moreover,
the stakes taken by the technology firms appear to be overwhelmingly
individual—​by the firms’ founders or senior managers—​so as not to
risk their companies’ funds. Xie concludes that mixed ownership is not
designed to use privatization to accomplish efficiency and profitability
gains but instead “provides a way for the state to direct private capital
to serve national development and political priorities.”
The benefits for private companies to invest—​outside of generating
political goodwill from the government—​are thus not likely to be
immediately apparent to many potential investors. As a Mercator
Institute report notes, the effort is designed to expand opportunities
for private capital in the state sector, while at the same time ensuring
that private investors retain only a minority stake. Wanda Group
Chairman Wang Jianlin, whose portfolio includes a number of foreign
acquisitions such as AMC Theatres, Legendary Entertainment, and
Sunseeker International, raises this same point directly: “If I’m going
to ‘mix,’ the private company definitely needs to have a controlling
share, or at least I want relative control . . . . If the SOE has the con-
trolling share, isn’t that the same as me helping out the SOE by giving
it money? Wouldn’t that be crazy of me to do? I can’t do that kind of
thing."
p 113 -114

China is a fucking superpower they could abolish private property in a split second and no one could do anything about it.
Well, this is untrue. It would pretty much mean a collectivization in a country that depends on foreign trade. Which is bad.
They had lot’s of growth under Mao.
Not really. Mao was a brilliant stategist but I wouldn't say that about his economics. See picture.
Only by self-identification. They are plenty of billionaires in their parliament.
Using this article as a source (cnbc.com/2017/03/02/chinas-parliament-has-about-100-billionaires-according-to-data-from-the-hurun-report.html) It would mean that around 100 of 3000 of people in the parlament are billionaires. which would put them at around 3%. What is high but I wouldn't say a bourgeoise state. This article by NYT (nytimes.com/2018/03/01/business/china-parliament-billionaires.html), which is a peak bourgeoise source, states that " About 20 percent of the nearly 3,000 delegates to Parliament are businesspeople, according to government news media." Which while large, isn't the majority.
I don't know where to stand about China. I just know it's sure is better than whatever Russia did.

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Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

muh social credit
This is not how it works. "Social credit" is a thing only in set industries and is not used to measure random public individuals.
chinalawtranslate.com/seeing-chinese-social-credit-through-a-glass-darkly/?lang=en

Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

You know thats just uttter bullshit

Jason Phillips
Jason Phillips

State enterprises play a large role in China
This is also true in France. This doesn’t make France socialist.
Here's what the book "The Third Revolution: Xi Jinping and the New Chinese State" says about them
Walking the walk is different from talking the talk. Self-identfication doesn’t make a country socialist.

Grayson Evans
Grayson Evans

The state isn’t socialist or capitalist, the economy is.
Your whole premise fails on the following Leninist dictum: economic power differs from economic power. As under NEP the economy was majority private owned (strategic sectors being state controlled), rather similar goes to contemporary China. By your logic, we could argue that EVEN THO the Bolsheviks were in power (Troysky included) under the period of the NEP, it was "objectively capitalist", while in fact political power (as Lenin correctly observed) is the primary determining factor, something you "naturally" disregard in toto.

Chase Diaz
Chase Diaz

*political power differs from economic power

sry, mobile postan

Nolan Cooper
Nolan Cooper

It doesn’t matter what political party is in power. If private property and wage labor exists it’s still capitalism. Also yes the USSR was capitalist during the NEP. It was not until the five year plans that they become socialist. Also the CCP has billionaires in their parliament so their status as a vanguard party is dubious.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

If private property and wage labor exists it’s still capitalism.
This definition literally would make USSR capitalist in its socialist period. I'm going to write a longer response later but the idea that different modes of production can't co-exist is dubious. Which obe is dominant in China I'm not sure of. I would say the capitalist one. I'm going to write a longer response later since I don't have time now.

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

I should write posts when drunk.

Nicholas Smith
Nicholas Smith

I'm wearing this metal pin on my backpack to show my solidarity with China and the CPC. Some retards get actually triggered by it…

btw I live in Germany

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Connor Price
Connor Price

solidarity with chinese kulaks
cringe

Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

t. ultraleft utopianist

Joseph Lee
Joseph Lee

These pins really are beautiful.

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

t burger suc dem who thinks socialism is when the government does stuff

Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

+ 5 points for your social credit account

William Hernandez
William Hernandez

what if people didn't really "get triggered" by you wearing that specific pin, but they are disgusted by the fact that you try to express yourself through pins on your backpack?

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Juan Scott
Juan Scott

If that's the case, those people should also become angry, when they see someone wearing a christian cross around their neck or someone, who is wearing a band t-shirt.

I'm not chinese and I don't have chinese citizenship. But I'm proud of my patriotism towards china and I don't care, what classcucks here in Germany think about it.

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

Fuck those german classcucks, they got nothing on our proletarian comrades such as the Huawei board of directors

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

I'm not chinese and I don't have chinese citizenship. But I'm proud of my patriotism towards china
You are what the right thinks the left is. People who believe that other nations are superior to their own. You are a transnationalist.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

I'm not chinese but I'm proud of my patriotism towards china
You are a stupid ass larper, that's what you are.

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Ethan Bennett
Ethan Bennett

Thank you for showing international solidarity. Let us all learn from user and work together to help realize the Chinese dream and achieve win-win cooperation between all nations.

Hudson Price
Hudson Price

Looks pretty good if I have to be honest. Where can I get my social credit comrade Xi?

Grayson Brown
Grayson Brown

You gotta give it to Fox, they host more dissenting voices than MSNBC or CNN.

But /ourgirl/? She immediately conceded to intellectual property having to be protected and agreed that you can "steal" it.

You can't fucking steal bio-chemical reactions in your brain. You can steal a horse or a casket of apples, but you can't steal ideas. This is even consensus amongst bourgeois legal scholars.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

You must consider, this was aired on Fox news and the audience is the ordinary burger. From a tactical perspective, it makes sense that Liu Xin toned down her answers.

Chase Martinez
Chase Martinez

reuters.com/article/us-asia-security/china-to-fight-at-all-costs-for-reunification-with-taiwan-defense-minister-idUSKCN1T300X?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Will CPC autism about Taiwan ever end? It has been like 60 years already.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

I've been sure this will be the case for years and I've already discussed the mulatto civil wars when folk punk alliance takes on the dengists who've gotten a bit American themselves and the Tupamaros come back and start murdering nice Chinese settler families, and in that timeline the SPD (of course) decides to ally the EU to China for muh socdem dream and the worst, worst Nazbols in the world start sabotaging nuke plants and killing non-ascended unholy fools from Pyongyang to Brussels.

It's gonna be great

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Luke Gonzalez
Luke Gonzalez

When Taiwan stop being rebellious, or drift away from the Mainland coastline due to tectonic activity, or get the same fate as Atlantis never to be seen again.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

I don't see what's wrong about China's approach to Taiwan, which is after all Chinese. Taiwan's history since 1949 has consisted in being used by the US to militarily pressure the mainland (and, until the 70s, to prevent the PRC from being in the United Nations.)

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Taiwan has spent more time under Dutch than under Chinese rule, it is already independent and should change its constitution to reflect its status as a multi-ethnic democracy with enhanced Aboriginal rights, spread the teaching of their languages and really don't dare defend the Xi Jinping dream of a revival of Qing Dynasty settler colonialism as some sort of leftist position.

Ultracappy mainlanders should fuck off from muh Fair Formosa and let it be a little island of happy rainbow bourgies and the PRC can go full Pol Pot on the Uyghurs if they want, that's their choice because vae victis and it can also build Chinese Dream made in China and really I wish them the very best, I admire what they've done and of course 白猫黒猫 and I can understand Deng's position, really, because I've read Lu Xun and Sun Yat Sen and I know that even in the bog of capitalism there still are people working for communism inside the PRC, even if they're sidelined.

But really hands off 台灣 and I've never even been there.

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Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

Let’s turn Taiwan into a radlib dream state
This is stupid. Taiwan and the Mainland need to be unified under the Chinese branch of the International Committee of the Fourth International.

Jordan Wright
Jordan Wright

Taiwan gets a completely independent nuclear triad to spice up the future splits and I'm in.
Also I get a sex change and a job as tea planter somewhere.

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Christian Moore
Christian Moore

When will KMT autism about the mainland end? It's been 60 years.

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Chase Flores
Chase Flores

lmao fuckin good luck with that.

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Jaxson Parker
Jaxson Parker

The KMT want better cross strait relationship and unification in the long term now, and that is also legitimate and I can't believe a leftist board is banning people over fucking Taiwan, really lrn2読

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

tempted
hmm sounds like you have an advantage

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

中華民國是臺灣 already and we both know it, so leave this sort of argument for the kids at school, and preemptive bans and namefagging make me hope that at least you don't do it for free.

And don't start shit about maps and treaties because the hasbara has maps and treaties too and I've read all the treaties already and we could argue about interpretations and share maps like good accountants but I prefer litté, and I also read Régis Debray, the little red book and maospontex pamphlets before you learned to read probably, and it's really embarassing arguing with a booklet zoomer but I know social imperialism when I see it.

Still, best of luck for the mainland and if Xi actually gives you a job, 祝賀.

But really the Chinese Dream is a good thing for China, I think Deng was kinda right.

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Ayden Baker
Ayden Baker

So how true is the "China forces muslim women to obey yellow cock" narative? I've heard they are forced to get maried to Chinese men.

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Ian Walker
Ian Walker

KMT wants reunification. The DPP wants independence. The PRC passed a law that if Tiwan declares it’s self Independent than the PRC will invade them. Still doesn’t explain why the ROC claims land that belongs to Japan and India.
China still doing state atheism
wtf I’m a Dengist now

Benjamin Williams
Benjamin Williams

What the fuck was Chiang Kai-shek's problem? He used to be a Soviet ally.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Still doesn’t explain why the ROC claims land that belongs to Japan and India.
It's not that strange if you think about it. ROC consider itself the legitimate rulers of China, so they take seriously China's territorial disputes with its neighbours. It's like Russian white emigrees hating the Bolsheviks in power, but you still wouldn't expect them to agree to encroachment on Russian territory from other countries if they're actually sincere about their nationalist principles. Nationalists gonna nationalism, I guess.

Noah James
Noah James

I wish I'd receive a state issued muslim gf.
tfw Xi has not brought socialism with chinese characteristics to your country yet
HHe duped them. Stalin should have called him out and solely and fully supported the CPC tbh

Jaxson Mitchell
Jaxson Mitchell

According to the little box on the right side, 1989 Tiananmen Square was partially caused by economic reforms

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

I'm confused, were they protesting communism or the liberalization of China's economy?

Leo Williams
Leo Williams

But Tiwan is controlled by the DPP. Who are pro-Independce. This isn’t like the White Army. This would be like if the white army held on to control of Ukraine, held elections, lost said elections to Ukrainian Nationalists. And then the Ukrainian nationalist Government claimed to be the rightful controllers of Russia.

Hunter Allen
Hunter Allen

Some were Neomaoists, some were Liberals. The protestors had no central leadership or ideological leaning who weren’t Dengists joining in the protests.

Joshua Phillips
Joshua Phillips

They are currently controlled by the DPP, who haven't made much progress towards their goal of independence (probably because they're already de-facto independent and would risk Chinese paratroopers in their backyard and possibly WW3 if pushing for formal independence), but the KMT has made headway in the last local elections IIRC, and the DPP could end up losing to the KMT in the next general election, though both parties have experienced a loss in popularity.
Maybe the ROC would renounce their claims if DPP managed to hold on to power and accomplish formal independence (making most of their claims illegitimate if based on Chinese sovereignty), but this is pure speculation.

I realize that this doesn't really answer your question, but I'm not really sure why countries in general hold onto unrealistic territorial claims in the first place. The explanation could be as simple as that without any good incentive in place to renounce such claims, there is little reason for any politician to even touch the subject. It's like an old bike on the bottom of a river that nobody cares enough about to retrieve, so it just stays there. If any user has a less shitty analysis on the subject, I'd like to be educated.

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

Still while the DPP’s goal of formal independence is unrealistic, it would be more realistic if they renounced their claims on Mongolia, Russia, Vietnam, and India.

James White
James White

Students wanted liberalization and workers wanted return to communism, thus the two were in conflict. The students got to leave the square peacefully while workers outside the square were killed, showing which side was closer to the government's position.

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

I don't really see how. Declaring independence will lead to a Chinese invasion regardless of ROC's weird claims. The PRC's military power is what makes ROC's independece unlikely, not that ROC has claims that mirrors the PRC's.

Julian Garcia
Julian Garcia

Interesting, never heard of that before. Source?

Kevin Bailey
Kevin Bailey

Fixed it

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Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

I've also heard the Beijing protests had to do with foreign students from Africa too, and knowing that the May '68 incidents started over fugging rights in dorms and how terribly racist most Chinese people still are, I can believe they sperged out over niggers
Any source for that?

Robert Powell
Robert Powell

unz.com/article/tiananmen-square-1989-revisited/

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

chuangcn.org/2019/06/tiananmen-square-the-march-into-the-institutions/

The students, unlike the workers, were intimately involved in the factional fights going on within the CCP. Students largely took the side of the more radical market reformer, Zhao Ziyang, who headed the party at the time. Zhao wanted to push the reforms through more quickly. On the other hand, the students largely reviled Li Peng, the head of state, well before he became the figurehead of martial law in late May. A moderate reformer, Li was seen as an old style bureaucrat who stood in the way of a rapid and efficient transition to a rational market economy. Workers did not really take part in this factional fight. They’d gained little by participating in factional fights before, specifically during the Cultural Revolution and the Democracy Wall movement of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The workers’ federation warned that “Deng Xiaoping used the April 5th movement [of 1976] to become leader of the Party, but after that he exposed himself as a tyrant.”[viii] Party members returned the favor in kind, with the All-China Federation of Trade Unions publicly backing the students but ignoring the workers who participated and their fledgling organization.[ix] Party elders, however, shifted away from supporting General Secretary Zhao’s policy of concessions to the students as May developed. At a contentious May 17th meeting of the Standing Committee of the Politburo held at Deng Xiaoping’s residence, Deng and Li Peng criticized Zhao’s approach, claiming he was splitting the party. Deng pushed for the declaration of martial law, which was formally announced on May 20th. In the early morning of May 19th, Zhao went to the square to warn students to leave, saying they should not sacrifice themselves for a movement that was over. Then Zhao left the square, having lost his position within the party, and was soon put under house arrest for the rest of his life. The late May announcement of martial law sharpened the politics of participants, with the workers’ federation announcing that “‘the servants of the people’ [the party] swallow all the surplus value produced by the people’s blood and sweat,” and that “there are only two classes: the rulers and the ruled.”[x] The majority of students, conversely, still held out for support from Zhao’s faction even after martial law was declared. A potential alliance between students and workers never materialized under the pressure of the rapidly changing political context.

Students initially told workers not to strike so the movement’s focus would remain on themselves and their power within it could be retained. After martial law had been declared on May 20th, however, students finally saw the importance of worker participation, though again only in a supporting role, and they finally asked workers to undertake a general strike. By that point, however, participation in the protests had dropped dramatically, and it was too late for workers to fully mobilize their forces. Nonetheless, workers were still able to pull large numbers to resist the implementation of martial law. In fact, workers continued to put more people into the streets even as student numbers dwindled. But by this point, the party had marshaled up to 250,000 soldiers in the outskirts of the city. Workers and other urban residents were initially able to stop the entry of soldiers into the city from the night of June 2nd into the 3rd, blocking roads and surrounding troops in vehicles. This led to only a small amount of violence, with urbanites often feeding the tired soldiers caught up in the crowds for several hours before they gave up and pulled out of the city center. This only encouraged more resistance the following night.

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

From the night of June 3rd into the 4th, however, the army moved more resolutely towards the square to put an end to the protests. That night it was mainly workers and unemployed youth who attempted to slow the approach of the army in the streets leading up to the square, and many of them paid for it with their lives, with hundreds of civilian deaths (among whom very few were students). Along Chang’anjie—the main east-west avenue bisecting the city at Tiananmen—workers and other Beijing residents built blockades with buses, often setting them afire. Molotov cocktails and rocks were thrown as soldiers approached. The intersection around Muxidi on Chang’anjie to the west of the square was particularly hard hit, with pitched battles between workers and soldiers. Many deaths were concentrated there. As the first soldiers in armored personal carriers (APC) arrived on the square, some students and residents continued to resist, and an APC was set on fire. Several civilians were killed on the edges of the square. Once the main body of the army reached the square they stopped, and by the early morning they were negotiating with the remaining student occupiers, allowing them to leave the square and walk back to their campuses—though not without several being beaten by soldiers first. The protests in the capital were over, but the repression continued. Workers were hit the hardest in terms of prison sentences and executions in the days and weeks that followed, with student participants getting more lenient sentences.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

chuangcn

You're pathetic.

Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

Lel students were not allowed to leave peacefully and were killed. The government's problem was that they were using tanks to try to put down urban protests which had thrown the entire city into revolt, and many others throughout China (which were handled much better). If they had riot police, the death toll would have been in the single digits. They were not making concerted efforts to shoot workers and spare students.

Tianamen only means anything to Chinese people. Everyone else plays fast with the truth to convince you of some lie.

Elijah Perez
Elijah Perez

That is KMT’s position IIRC. DPP is almost isolationist in that respect.

Chase Campbell
Chase Campbell

And Taiwan is an island so it makes sense, at least in English.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

can someone tell me what is written on these red flags?

also whats the real story behind the tianamen square protests, i heard they were against neoliberalism and corruption

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Isaac White
Isaac White

DPP is pro-Independence but Taiwan is not is the simple answer. People struggle with this idea but the Taiwanese population is not uniformly in favor of independence. It's a conservative society and the majority supports the status quo, hard-greens and hard-blues match each other in equal numbers and the subject of Independence is a losing issue from both sides. That said, the DPP has lost all credibility and is quickly actually becoming the anti-CCP party, they've taken very overt measures to silence pro-Chinese voices and will probably panic before the next election.

Josiah Myers
Josiah Myers

Only thing is that the KMT is also completely discredited.
The white letters 地理学 mean Geography so from the rest of the flags I gather they're youth organizations from various university departments and so on

Logan Adams
Logan Adams

post rare maos

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Luis Gutierrez
Luis Gutierrez

Holy fuck check out this Twitter thread from one of NYT top China beat people:
twitter.com/PekingMike/status/1135544152454836225
This is fucking insane. She flew Air China and they put this much resources into it and made this much noise about it. They are targeting this woman like she's a sleeper agent because she is ethnically Chinese. It's deeply fucking unsettling. Many people assume the NYT is some kind of anti-racist paper because that's how conservatives cast it, but that couldn't be the truth, and if the US elite is targeting ethinic Chinese to this degree we are in the beginning of a dark era. The US government is already doing it via usually unscrutinized institutions like the NIH and threatening to withhold federal funds from academies. This is not going to go away. It will become worse, more monstrous, and unstoppable.

Colton King
Colton King

NYT pressing any area of conflict to stir division in opposition isn't a surprise. Also there's nothing racist about this you hick.

Jace Baker
Jace Baker

People are being racially-profiled because they are ethnically Chinese everywhere. What the fuck do you call that you stupid fuck? Don't Sage it again you racist little shit. Take a hard look in the mirror and explain why do you think racially profilling Chinese-Americans isn't racist.

Blake Foster
Blake Foster

sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/exclusive-major-us-cancer-center-ousts-asian-researchers-after-nih-flags-their-foreign

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

Yellow peril and red scare are powerful drugs.

Brayden Jenkins
Brayden Jenkins

So who will win the next election? Hopefully these guys. I know their sucdems but their the only group in Tiwan’s parliament who aren’t right-wing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Power_Party

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

so leave this sort of argument for the kids at school
I mean the PRC has no reason whatsoever to give up its claims to Taiwan. The PRC is China. Taiwan is Chinese territory. It's like saying the PRC should have ended its "autism" over Hong Kong and Macao.

As an aside, I just scanned this English-language account of Tiananmen from a Chinese author: archive.org/details/BeijingTurmoil

Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

So the world's getting gook-pilled. What's next, deep state Qing sleeper cells?
NIH officials have said they are not engaging in racial profiling.

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

taiwan isn’t a European colony. It’s a separate country who’s people wishes for Independence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement

Nathaniel Parker
Nathaniel Parker

There are a not-insignificant number of Chinese in Hong Kong who want "independence" (or even a reversion to British rule) due entirely to their opposition to the PRC's political system. That doesn't mean they aren't Chinese.

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

That doesn't mean they aren't Chinese.
Nations don’t come from nature, they are social constructed, As such the only way of knowing hat nation someone is is self-identification. If someone claims to be Han they are Han. If someone claims to be not Han, they are not Han.

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

I believe it so its true
t. idealist

Daniel Garcia
Daniel Garcia

Identity is an idea.

Jonathan Martin
Jonathan Martin

Correct, which is why identity politics is inherently anti-marxist. A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

Leaving aside that you misunderstand how nations work, the fact is that if (for example) the government of South Vietnam at any point was like "actually we aren't Vietnamese, we now declare ourselves the Republic of Annam, a separate country for a separate nation, ergo any talk of 'reunifying Vietnam' is just Tonkin chauvinism," North Vietnam would be justifiably upset, especially given that South Vietnam existed only thanks to US military support and so the practical result would be perpetuation of the division of Vietnam.

That's roughly how Chinese on the mainland see the idea of Taiwan as a separate country and nation completely distinct from the rest of China.

Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jeremiah Gonzalez

Is the PRC a direct successor state to the Qing Dynasty?
If so, based on what and how does it reconcile itself with a materialist analysis of history and the Three Worlds Theory?
Was the Qing dynasty a Chinese state?If so, in what materialist, non social imperialist way?
How would you answer to charges of petty bullying, and I want you to quote me the part of 毛主席語錄 which postulates barring Taiwan from the WHO as a necessity for achieving world revolution?

taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3695999

If you find the passage, I would also like a commentary on how these actions square with socialism, solidarity and liberation struggles.

There are more such examples and you can look them up yourself and maybe if the PRC is acting in such an asocial way to people it considers its own we'll have to redefine what good conduct is.

I'll keep this post extremely short , you're just shilling for social imperialism and you know it, you completely ignore history, the declared wishes of the population and abandon any sort of decency shilling for Winnie the Pooh and worst of all you do it for free.

But because namefagging is cancer and this is an ebola of the mind ward and we don't like cancer, at least people will autofilter your spam because China can be an interesting topic, and this is a post-Husserlian folk punk board and people who work for governments of any kind aren't welcome.

Because only a person who works for the government thinks this was any sort of answer.

So, lurk, 練習 and try being at least honest. I don't care about what you answer because I took you seriously and now I'm embarassed.

So this is an appeal to anyone reading this.

I like this board and it's plain that namefagging and /pol/posting in 中国語 should be shunned, filtered and sent over the border to Омск for experiments.

I've read this thread and you can all see the posts, optimism about human development is to be celebrated but I draw the line on not even social imperialism.

DEATH TO AMERICA

And because I really believe military democracy was a genius idea at the time, it helped galvanize a peasant army but as pic related shows people needed to read, so I'll end it with a little anecdote and sorry for the length, it's just that you have to excise cancer decisively. So just an anecdote.

My mother used to be Maoist, very dedicated, got beat up by cops and put in prison for protesting Vietnam, got tanks sent in against a demo she was in and the tanks were French, what do you know. Kind of person who after Deng's betrayal just goes bitterly Eurocom but still goes to protests, helps all possible leftist friends get elected in local, pro bono work, voluntary 50% paycut to avoid firings in 2008, after bitterly fighting with union scabs and management (alas, late capitalism). The normal very very tired bitter person who is part of the educated proletariat.

And in talks with her I get that she has accepted that all those dreams and all that fucking PRAXIS went to less than nothing, and she's been to China and saw the GUCCI GANG JINPING bullshit Americanism and it was just a long, bitter talk with disappointment. No words. Just disappointment. She knows they're the future because she has a science PhD and read Das Kapital before anyone reading this was born, and the red flags they wave are red with her shame for getting duped by some nationalist gangsters because she believed in Revolution.

So take this as a warning against youthful idealism

And she taught me the fucking Internationale and it was the first song I learned, because that's also praxis ,so really sorry for the blogshit but please at least permaban or filter, I may be just a deadbeat bum with a dangerously low social credit but I've read some weird shit and just got triggered. Sorry but we're all fukkn autists here. pls no bully.

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Sebastian Barnes
Sebastian Barnes

Is the PRC a direct successor state to the Qing Dynasty?
The Qing dynasty ruled over Chinese territory, so I don't see your point. If the British monarchy were abolished, would that suddenly destroy the existence of the English territory and nation because the House of Windsor is German?

The Bolsheviks welcomed the demise of the Russian Empire, but that didn't mean a Russian nation and Russian territory didn't exist, just that they didn't encompass the entirety of the Russian Empire.

It isn't like the PRC claims every inch of land ever controlled or claimed by the Qing dynasty (as noted earlier in this thread, the Kuomintang claimed more land for China than the CPC does, which is why Taiwan's government to this day has problems establishing normal diplomatic relations with Outer Mongolia, which it constitutionally recognizes as a Chinese province.)

How would you answer to charges of petty bullying
What petty bullying? The PRC has reaffirmed time and again that Taiwan is a part of China in response to efforts by the US and the government on Taiwan to build up Taiwan's separate military and the notion that Taiwan has nothing to do with the rest of China.

And I want you to quote me the part of 毛主席語錄 which postulates barring Taiwan from the WHO as a necessity for achieving world revolution?
The PRC, both under Mao and after he died, sought to remove the "Republic of China" from all international organizations. It's why Taiwan was kicked from the United Nations when the PRC was admitted.

and the Three Worlds Theory?
What does a geopolitical theory devised by Mao in the 1970s have to do with the question of whether Taiwan is Chinese or not?

Samuel Smith
Samuel Smith

That's introductory 五毛 stuff and I really don't want to play this theatre. I'm not any sort of nationalist and I'm not even 臺灣人.
Not 臺灣漢人, and not 臺灣原住民族 either.

By the way, none of those groups have ever been under jurisdiction of the PRC.

Ever. Also 臺湾 has spent more time under Japanese, Dutch and Spanish domination than Chinese domination and they're getting kinda tired of domination.

I'm just some bum, and I posted the names because 五毛党 (the PRC equivalent to Hasbara, Operation Earnest Voice and all that) deliberately uses misleading translations of these and other terms to spread confusion.

And touching up translations to use them for political goals, whatever they are, shows that not only do they think gweilo dumbdumb but also that they're cynical shits who shouldn't be trusted.

Your answer is just flimsy dynastical quibbling and appeal to what 毛 himself would call social imperialism, if he had any balls.

I'm a leftist and think every single king should be executed, even if he wears the red star.

I disdain to discuss nationalism, irredentism and asocial imperialist state propaganda in a leftist board and I've had lots of "conversations" with 五毛 before and I really don't care about any fine points you fished out of some social imperalist guidebook for harmonious shitposting or other.

I tried to start a conversation with a long post and you show contempt by replying with copypastas from some nationalist rag or other. Because nationalism is poison, and maybe it's time to see the CCP for what it is.

So as you're not answering in good faith and worse of all are spreading imperialist slander, I'll just ask you.
Do you do this for free yes or no?

Also according to the board rules
DON'T
attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)

-use socialist language or parrot state department talking points to defend blatant imperialism

The worst thing is that I offered you an honest appeal and you just went straight to your guidebook.

I find that very disrespectful, I also gave you a personal story, at this point I don't even know if you're a bot or not.

So I'll just recommend you La Condition Humaine, a book by André Malraux about the April 12 Incident, to see what kind of legacy you're soiling with your prewarmed fascist drivel.

So to anyone reading this, just filter that toxic stuff.
And read Malraux too, he's great.

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Carter Cook
Carter Cook

Your doubts about the CPC and PRC are not helpful to building international solidarity between Marxists of all nations. We must support not just the PRC, but Cuba, DPRK and even non socialist states like Venezuela as well. At the same time we need to recognize that our ability to support for far away countries is limited. The core of the capitalist system is in the united states and eliminating that core is essential to human survival. There's no sense in wasting time arguing over whether the PRC is a good socialist state or not. It is part of the international capitalist system but it is not the head, just a limb. We don't seek to cut off a limb of capitalism and leave it crippled, we seek to destroy the source. Work to build socialism where you live, work to build an alternative international trade structure outside of the capitalist network. That is what needs to be done.

So what are the theories of current Marxists from where you are at? Share them here so all can learn.

Nathan Campbell
Nathan Campbell

The core of the capitalist system is in the united states and eliminating that core is essential to human survival. There's no sense in wasting time arguing over whether the PRC is a good socialist state or not. It is part of the international capitalist system but it is not the head, just a limb. We don't seek to cut off a limb of capitalism and leave it crippled, we seek to destroy the source.
The PRC will be the core and they day that they will be the core is very near. The US is dying, their economy is stagnate and their diplomatic and military control of the world is going down. Day by day US Industry contracts and Chinese Industry grows. The truth is that the US is unable to hold up the capitalist order in the long term. This responsibility will soon shift to the PRC.

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

Well it's much easier to launch a land invasion of the PRC than the US. The PRC is not protected by water on both sides and has huge flat terrain near it's economic andp ower centers suitable for maneuver warfare. They also only have 250 nuclear warheads. A joint EUSSR and USSR invasion could easily install communism in the PRC. On the other hand any military action against the US will be extremely difficult. You need a superior navy which takes about 50 years to just build up and you need to deal with the over 1000 nuclear warheads coming your way. The US is immune to foreign invasion which makes them such a dangerous and difficult opponent to bring down.

Gabriel Cook
Gabriel Cook

So in summary: Build communism in Europe, in Russia, and in India.

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

Taiwanese """independence""" is USA subservience

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Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

Imperialism is imperialism, sorry
If China's participation in the capitalist system necessitates imperialism, it is to be opposed, and I know there are voices in China calling for that and I believe in the people more than in any government.

And no it's not a limb of the capitalist system anymore, it is the largest economy in the world and lots of other things too and congratulations for that but stop being fucking imperialists.

Don't embarass yourself further, at least tell me, do you do this for free?

You see the West really is collapsing, and I want to become a tea planter. And I can push chicom psyops on the side, that's not a problem at all.

And the PRC is very strict with borders and very hostile to immigrants, especially bums, so can you set up me with a job or something, planting tea in some mountain?

Also people just filter this bot, I went into the cringe effortposting to clear this toxic shilling, and I really got fucking triggered.

Finally, some scenes from a PRC animatied film, made in 1980, called 九色鹿 (Nine Colored Deers)

You can see the artists pain at Dengism, this is the swan song of art against capitalist restoration.

The studio was closed after this film for being unprofitable.

It may have been revived by now, I don't know, but it's probably pumping out that 3DCG 2-minute ONA addons to mobile games which are really saving animation.

Anyway, 新大文化革命 very soon and you booklet dengies are gonna find what a people's war really means.

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Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

U.S. imperialism invaded China's territory of Taiwan and has occupied it for the past nine years. A short while ago it sent its armed forces to invade and occupy Lebanon. The United States has set up hundreds of military bases in many countries all over the world. China's territory of Taiwan, Lebanon and all military bases of the United States on foreign soil are so many nooses round the neck of U.S. imperialism. The nooses have been fashioned by the Americans themselves and by nobody else, and it is they themselves who have put these nooses round their own necks, handing the ends of the ropes to the Chinese people, the peoples of the Arab countries and all the peoples of the world who love peace and oppose aggression. The longer the U.S. aggressors remain in those places, the tighter the nooses round their necks will become.
- Chairman Mao
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Asher Myers
Asher Myers

I go through an effort post too don't brush it aside or you'll not reap the full value of my labor. Also don't get so angry we're all on the same team here. China may be the largest economy (by some measures) but it is not leading capitalism. The RMB is not the world reserve currency, a good chunk of the US's power comes from having the reserve currency. China still needs to sell real things to get the currency it needs to buy means of production from Germany, Japan,or US. It can't just export paper with Chairman Mao's face and turn that into lithography equipment. It is a participant in the US lead system. You also underestimate the strength left in the west (mostly US). They are unmatched militarily and will continue to be so for some time. Even if they decline as much as you optimistically predict they can still damage the world significantly if their leaders decide that war is preferable to losing power. We also need to consider the US reactionary energy sector and it's threat to our survival. China at the very least is investing the product of the Chinese proletariat into non fossil fuel energy infrastructure. My surplus value goes into stock buybacks, weapons research, and stupid internet start ups.

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

what's wrong with chuangcn

Bentley Torres
Bentley Torres

tbh China gets to claim Taiwan when it either becomes more democratic or stop fucking Hong Kong's autonomy over

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

define "more democratic"

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

You are repeating things I knew at 13, and in a way that looks robotic so I don't know if I should write this. Please reply with an image attached next time.

Anyway, as you can see I can express myself without sounding like some scrambled broadcast out of a straight to video poltical thriller, and I can push chicom shit too, don't care at all.

So will you Chicom people make me a shill or something? Or even better Taiwan, I'll do an interview with Nick Land at Sea, right at the middle of the Strait, and whoever loses lands in PRC and gets executed without trial for wrongthink lol.

I'm just throwing ideas people. Now that you're heading for a late capitalist society, I' just a bum but I've read Debord a lot, and also 構造と力 and tons of other shit too, so I can help design the hyperreal fear machine, and I'm not that good with computers and I'm a bum too but you convince me to become a brainless bootlicker because you sound illiterate and fascist but at least rich, in conparison to me.

I'm 99% certain you're a bot by now, no retard can be so embarassing, and you're not afraid of a 新大文化革命 but you should.

Good job though. Would it be possible to speak to a dev?

Also my surplus value is mostly invested in rent and food because there's something called the Engels coefficient, and at least I live in social housing so the rent doesn't fuck me lubeless from all the second properties the billionaire comrades buy as communist investment.

So I can't invest a lot. Basically I'm lucky if I have 200€ at the end of the month after the bills, and I'm sure the people at the private health insurance provider who eats what's left are 100%, actual members of the Deng Nazi party and they're plotting to kill me by making me kill myself.

Can you give me some advice? How does a communist leverage the stock and forex market?
Do you use candlestick charts or do you find Japan waaaaay too ultraleft for your ideological purity?

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Luke Foster
Luke Foster

More decentralization and autonomy to the provinces.

Luke Jones
Luke Jones

You misunderstood me. I do not invest my surplus into stocks or weapons for the US military. The corporate profits that come from my labor and the taxes I pay go into those things. I'm lucky enough to only spend 30% of my income on rent, many of my coworkers are spending 50% or more. You appear to be living somewhere where these is still social democracy. I hope we can have social democracy in the US by 2030.

Anyways, i'm not asking you to shill for the PRC, I'm asking you to treat it as a second tier threat on the same level as Germany, Japan, India, or Russia. And I'm asking you to not disparage the DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam IRL.

As for stock advice I don't have any except hope you're born to a rich family.

Taiwan can get their independence when every citizen carries a portrait of Lenin and Stalin around.

Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

Explain decentralization. Why is it good?

John Taylor
John Taylor

Hot take but China has always suffer from too much centralization that constantly leads to civil wars and decentralization can prevent that. You must understand that China has divisions culturally and geographically and that can be exploited by its enemies.

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

Ok that's a good theory. I'm not well read in this topic but how has centralization vs. decentralization worked out in other diverse states? We can look at Yugoslavia, USSR, Ottomans T*rks.

Also why does centralization lead to civil wars in China (and possibly Yugoslavia)?

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

I pay ~40% of my income in rent because you like Asia so you know what export based growth does to wage levels, no?And social democracy is dead, I'm just hugging her corpse as hard as I can.

You sound extremely young and lightly read, but at least enthusiastic.Read my posts at least, stop hoping for some fascist saviour from overseas and try to become a leftist because it's our only hope for survival. Also stop polluting discussions with fascist drivel and strive towards effortposting, please.

Also this goes out to all, can we ban, if not Dengism en large, at least asocial imperialist bookletism ?

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Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

The US might not be invaded, but their economic power is falling apart. They no longer are the titan of Industry they once are. They are dependent on foreign imports and their economy is stagnate. China doesn’t need to invade America to take’s it’s place as the center of capital.

Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

China will not be as savior for America. Socialism in America will have to be built by us. China is a treat to the currently capitalist United State, hence all of the noise being raised over it. China could potentially be a nice pool of technology that a socialist america can work with or steal from in the future depending on how relations between the two countries play out. I certainly don't consider China a fascist state, state capitalism does not make fascism. The anti-China sentiment comes from a combination of yellow peril and a fading sense of superiority in the west. I have no doubt that if India were the red rising power there would be just as much suspicion towards the Indians.

As for social democracy, I think it is the easiest path forward for attacking the capitalist system. It's worth defending if it exists and building up if it does not yet exist. It also has the convenient side effect of making life for working people better.

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

I’d like to add, the US didn’t need to invade the USSR to destroy’ it’s geopolitical power, and while the US probably won’t balkanize to the extend the USSR did, the same thing applies. The destruction of economic and geopolitical powers doesn’t require invasion.

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

So your worry is that a recovering socialist US will not have the power to deal with the new capitalist order lead by the PRC. Not every country wants to join with China and there are alliances that can be made. Putin is losing legitimacy and maybe the KPRF will uncuck itself, the higher ranks of the KPRF are worried about genuine communists in their ranks. Socialist movements existing in Europe as well. We can even sell worst korea down the river and cozy up to the DPRK for a convenient staging ground at China's doorstep.

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

2909576
I find Chinese culture to be uninteresting. 5000 years and they didn't even create anything close to liberalism let alone Marxism. Are there any materialist Chinese philosophers that have influenced popular sentiment or state policy?

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

Oh shit he got banned I was hoping to get a response to me dunking on chinese culture.

William Howard
William Howard

Imma try to give you an answer but it will be an extremely brainlet-tier.

idk about the other countries but the divisions are not that deep/hostile in China in the sense that none of the major blocs got ethnically cleansed and purged by another. So it can kinda work out, at least in theory.

Also why does centralization lead to civil wars in China
Because it is really hard to effectively govern different people over such a huge place without brewing a lot of resentment. In the past, it is not that possible to decentralize effectively but now there is.

Ian Lee
Ian Lee

Don't be daft please. Liberalism is cancer anyway and materialism isn't magic.
Mao was supposed to be a communist or sth but he was just a useless shitter, I mean "Too many books are harmful" gives comforts to MLs, but I think not reading is asocial behaviour and you should try to read a lot.

Sun Yat Sen is a political leader and writer admired on both the PRC and Taiwan, so start off him and see where you get.

Regarding literature there are the Four Great Novels too, and many philosophers and poets as well, but for the very very first intro I would recommend Pearl S. Buck, whose novels are sympathetic to leftism, and she was American too.

Anyway never ever dare shitpost Dengist propaganda again and open a fucking book.

I don't know if you're making fun of me but that's mean.

I mean I am a fucking worthless bum and everything but I've read approximately 2000 books in my life, and I want to help comrades or anything.

Illiterate Dengists found a way to scrub my posts and maybe I'll gather all that shit and smoke some weed and listen to folk punk and 璧程 (check her on yt, really, or even better rutracker) and write a novel that not only shits on Dengist brainlets like a firestorm, chicoms get so mad and censor it, and when the insurrection comes all the moe girls with British passports will hold their Printed in Taiwan copy under the glare of the cop grenades.

And really you suppress the happy Landian avantgarde and this is all too 百花運動 and maybe that bully was right and (PRC) ""culture"" really is a shit.

Taiwanese culture is amazing of course.

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Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

But I wrote all those posts and I think they were rather informative, and friendly too, and you just ban me like this. I don't really care about the various Ghost Banquets playing out inside your head, and maybe you should cut out on Dengist hotpockets, because even posting Soylent Red Star's ingredient list can get you reeducated because crazy censorship is the desirable goal of a socialist society and we should try to emulate it as much as we can.

Also Stalin got Voznesensky shot and he was the head of Gosplan during WW2 and so instead of magic math industry man we got cornman.

And one of the reasons was Stalin's inferiority complex against Leningrad, because you people should read the Symbolists too, Akhmatova and Mayakovsly and Bely, Krzhizhanovsky too but he got censored by mad mad illiterate ML pseudozoömers who think they can stop the revolution.

Let us laugh, bitterly.

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Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

Without the deep flaws in liberalism there would be no Marxism. Without materialism we would not have improved the human condition so much in the past 300 years. Of course, science and technology born from materialism is also the cause of the upcoming climate crisis. There's no going back to the good old subsistence farming days, so forward it is.

I'm aware of the 4 great novels, they're good. The poetry is good too. But all that culture did nothing to help China during the century of humiliation. Sun Yat Sen was western educated, practiced Christianity, and espoused Gerogism. He initiated China's recovery. The CPC following Marxism-Leninism completed the recovery. Western culture and western concepts built modern China (and it's more developed neighbors as well).

I don't know much about the culture of taiwan but I can't imagine it being much better than any typical cosmopolitan liberal culture. I deal with enough of that shit every day. But I bet there nuances in their culture I don't know of. Tell me, what is the culture of the working class there? What about their kulaks and their agricultural laborers?

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

Never been there because I'm poor myself, and I'd really like to sometime in the future, but the plane tickets alone cost like 600€ and I don't know any people there but still in a couple years I hope I can make it, at least before the Dengist jackboot turns every hamlet into rental properties for mainland porkies, and before all those tea plucking girls and boys singing their beautiful melodies are forced to do that before gawping, spitting tourists and maybe they'll sell them to concubinage too.

I suppose that since they're not fucked as mercilessly by censorship and capitalist exploitation as their mainland neighbours, I suppose the working class culture of Taiwan is more in line with the one in the developmental capitalist East Asian states, like South Korea or Japan.

Not so rapaciously exploitative as the PRC or the USA, because even in capitalist hell people have things that they like other than money, so not every single second of existence is centered around a vulgar adoration of the most cthonic, brutal forms of commodity circulation.

Like reading books, and not being fascist shitheads.

You worship some nebulous thing called "West" because you're either not Western or too young, and of course material analysis shows that it's the factories and so on that count, and Japan achieved racial equality by taking Singapore, and all those silly dances and books mean nothing. And I agree.

First of all if you're not even 漢 just kys, your beloved chicoms are going full ethnostate soon, and of course europoors and mulattos get shown the door.

Taiwan isn't a militarised dictatorship anymore, and despite the intense campaign of demoralisation against them, they remain an open-minded , tolerant bourgeois democracy with lower income inequality than the PRC, and I heard the cops aren't so fucking nosy there either. Other than that there's the music and a culture of tea, even a nice museum, and a vibrant literary scene without crazy censorship.

If you're 漢、because with the way the PRC is going maybe they'll introduce racial purity tests soon, comgratulations!

Soon you'll be a citizen of the imperial core too!
And the 鬼佬 still fall for that commie shit too, can you imagine?
You're alienated as hell and traditional clothing is the latest cosplay trend because you're feeling rather lost about everything really but still you drive a Mercedes so all good.

So if you think nothing and just obey, soon Jack Ma and Jeff Bezos will shske hands and communism will come.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

I still don't get why you like Chinese culture so much. Tea, music, literature, everyone has it (or coffee). I've read contemporary books from both Mainland and Taiwan, both had good parts but overall both were had rage inducing parts and ultimately I didn't like them. So why China, why not Russian culture or Iranian culture? And why the love of child laborers picking tea over say laborers building a house? If it's just your personal preference than so be it. However I think you are too heavily basing your identity around this culture which doesn't even seem to be your own considering you've never been to Taiwan. Your fear is that the big bad Chinese are going to destroy your beloved culture which to me sounds like right wing nerds crying about SJWs taking away their video games.

Stop treating the negative news from China as commonplace and typical. They're not becoming Nazi Germany. I've talked with Chinese coworkers, they don't buy the racial superiority bullshit. They know the intensity of work in China is terrible, they don't want it for themselves or anyone else. That's why there is organization against this in China. The government of the PRC isn't all powerful and the Chinese proletariat aren't powerless nor are they mindless drones. I've also talked with Taiwanese coworkers, they're typical people just like the ones from mainland. All workers under capitalism hoping to make a living. Changing China is up to them, changing Europe is up to you I suppose. And I assure you here in America we are struggling against capitalism as well. We even read books.

So are you supporting DIEM and comrade Varofakis?

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

Well concerning culture, I love Japanese and Russian culture too, and I grew up with Rimbaud and Mayakovsky and Mann and Lafargue of course because there are circles on the fringes of the Eurocom/Trot/MLM left where it is normal to have 5-6000 thousand books in a household, and a deep deep sense of internationalism embedded with the left.
So I grew up a bit like a terrorist out of some Russian novel and unfortunately I can't play neither cello nor anything else but at least I read a lot.
And of course my Mother considered the term "Americanata" an insult concerning music and films so it was Nouvelle Vague and Kaurismaki and Kurosawa and all those things. Sounds a bit Franny and Zooey but we were poor, just very very leftist.

I prefer culture from Russia, Germany, Japan , China, France because it fits my tastes better, I guess, but really I'm a bit nationless in my tastes, and I like history a lot too and even Koxinga is a more legitimate ruler of Taiwan than the PRC if you ask me.

And I just love tea of course.

But I've talked to Chinese people and of course I don't believe those hypeebolic things and they're perfectly nice people and smart too.
But still there is a ton of pressure from back home because really all media is cancerous, and I fear that China is about to take a bad turn soon, because all the young Chinese (only PRC for some reason) don't care about socialism one bit, and they like Mercedes more than Mao, and from what I gather it's the same back home.
And I don't know about fascism, but really sometimes when you fall upon a wumao you lose all hope, and the internet makes you depressed too, and everything else.

But Taiwan is getting bullied, and what the PRC is doing is social imperialism.
Maybe it's the same instict that makes one support Cuba over the USA and tjat tells a lot.
And I really wish I could reach out to the Chinese who believe everyone hates them and convince them it's not so, but the Great Firewall gets to them first, and at least I hope they listen to 璧程 too.

Also I have mad respect for China in the technical/developmental aspect, but it's not socialist either and that's ok, just don't lie.

What I find most disgusting is that people supposedly on the left cheer on the behemoth that is crushing its people underfoot only to satisfy some mystical longing for good vs evil in world history or something.

And if you follow the media climate you know there is a surge in nationalism, and the worst insticts come with it too, and I can't predict the future and neither can you, but I'm worried.

And when I saw this crude propaganda here, I don't know if I answered to other people, that was the worst wumao shit in the world. And those illiterates got me banned too.

And I stress I don't believe the nazi narrative on China, but I believe that there is some crazy despair going on, if only for the pressure on kids by parents and directly after that the boss and always a dehumanising pressure but it's fucking sick, and in Japan it's similar, and that future scares me a lot.

And when I see communists defending out that out of emotional involvement or brainlet "calculations" it makes my skin crawl.

Varoufakis is a sellout socdem, he's a bit of a tosser rather, funny guy I suppose, I like bikes too but really he's quite the bourgie hypocrite.

I voted for an ML party actually as a joke and electoralism is a carnival but we happily pretend because why not.

I hope that addresses your questions, solidarité et tout ça, don't forget to throw things at cops.

Also hands off 臺湾 , you asocial imperialists.

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William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

And I love American things too and countless times irl I've defended the suffering American proletariat from undialectical shitters , and American literature is extremely underrated so sorry for some of the insults and there are people in Europe who haven't read A Confederacy of Dunces and I've been called a fascist snob often so I apologize and I'll spare you the wall of text.

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Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

Japan achieved racial equality by taking Singapore
Erm excuse me what the fuck?

Jack Campbell
Jack Campbell

They made this, but yeah ancient China like all ancient “civilizations” were trash

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Lincoln Ortiz
Lincoln Ortiz

I mean Singapore's entire system of government is basically based in Confucianism. So there's that.

Isaiah White
Isaiah White

Confucianism
Shut the fuck up angmoh. Imagine falling for the asian values meme.

t.Singaporean

Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

Oh cultural values is such a fucking bullshit thing not gonna lie, but the bigman Lee Kuan Yew wanks about it so it at-least had some influence.

Sebastian Stewart
Sebastian Stewart

water buffalo stirner though

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Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

reminder

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Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

wanks about it so it at-least had some influence.
Kaki kong kaki song nia.

I don't see how the government is particularly Confucian aside from its emphasis on education and technocracy, but that can also be from British concept of meritocracy and aristocracy. Nor do they want to portray themselves, least they be seen as Chinese chauvinism from Malaysia and Indonesia, something that they love to browbeat Workers Party politicians.

Whatever legacy he has left behind, it is more of him being Harry Lee the Cambridge lawyer than LKY. Read Liberalism Disvowed.

Jack Davis
Jack Davis

Porky has spent all this time telling us that markets are the greatest thing ever and that we need to stop trying to attack markets.
However now that Dengists are beating porky at his own game, they're getting pissed. Why?

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Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

When Porky competes against Porky, one Porky loses.

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

Comrades!

Help us build the productive forces on /marxism/index.html !

We have already made it to the main page of Zig Forums!

Evan Ward
Evan Ward

how does it differ from /marx/index.html ?

Grayson Ward
Grayson Ward

the focus of /marxism/index.html is to discuss Marx's ideas and Marxist theory.

Wyatt Sanchez
Wyatt Sanchez

bump

Adrian Nguyen
Adrian Nguyen

Is Soros everyone's favorite boogeryman now?

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

Can someone explain this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

Don't want to be a party pooper, but I think there are enough leftist/marxist boards already

Aaron Ramirez
Aaron Ramirez

Everyone hates Soros

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Except Anarkiddies

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

Another day another prominent "China watcher" endorsing racist hearsay and justifying the racial profilling and targeting of Chinese Americans by the government. This time it was unapologetically Chinese Americans and they didn't even dross it up with "Chinese nationals". Talking about Bill Bishop by the way. The flame of elite anti-racism burned out quick. Dark days ahead for all of us.

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

Did you saw the recent short-film from Huawei? For a promotion video, it is quite obscure
youtube.com/watch?v=duRNklzJxKo

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

Neoliberals are going to become openly racist and cozy up with fascists.

Andrew Thomas
Andrew Thomas

America and Japan are already de facto a one-party state. It won’t be long until it’s the same for the EU.

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

Reminder that THESE are the people protesting in Hong Kong right now. Is there ANYONE more cucked than this?

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Levi Wilson
Levi Wilson

What exactly are they protesting?

Nathaniel Adams
Nathaniel Adams

not enough Yank/Anglo cock to suck due to communism causing shortages of it

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

They want Hong Kong to be independent.

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Thomas Phillips
Thomas Phillips

They have to block the internet because of the way the people are. The people are sensitive to words.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

On some extradition law that is a complete non-issue and will pass anyway. In reality they are protesting the slow nd steady loss of socio-economic status as middle class and ressentiment against mainlanders which are superiors to them in any conceivable metrics. They should be deported to Vancouver or Singapour.

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

The 70th celebrations are later this year so I made two posters.

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Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

Feel free to share them with others.

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Noah Phillips
Noah Phillips

Hey, does anyone know if XI has painting and posters of him in "socialism realism" style? From what I found Deng was the last one who had them. I haven't even found any of Kim.

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Nolan Bennett
Nolan Bennett

Can someone explain what's going on in Hong Kong please? My Taiwanese friend asked me what I thought about it and I really don't have a fucking clue.

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

HK is protesting over the ability to be extradited to the mainland for taking part in protests like the 2014 Umbrellas

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

Can someone explain what's going on in Hong Kong please?
Some people in Hong Kong want Hong Kong to be an independent city state like Singapore.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

They want to go back to the 80s and 90s when their parents were making easy money by licking anglo shoes.

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

How is China's debt going? Is it worse than the US?

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

I don't know much about China and Chinese communism after Mao so please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the vague understanding I have of the Dengist era, what Xi has been up to and Socialism with Chinese Characteristics in general I came across a couple of passages in The Foundations Of Leninism which seem to be a precursor to then:

During the period of transition from war to economic construction, when industry was vegetating in the grip of disruption and agriculture was suffering from a shortage of urban manufactured goods, when the establishment of a bond between state industry and peasant economy became the fundamental condition for successful socialist construction-in that period it turned out that the main link in the chain of processes, the main task among a number of tasks, was to develop trade. Why? Because under the conditions of the NEP the bond between industry and peasant economy cannot be established except through trade; because under the conditions of the NEP production without sale is fatal for industry; because industry can be expanded only by the expansion of sales as a result of developing trade; because only after we have consolidated our position in the sphere of trade, only after we have secured control of trade, only after we have secured this link can be there be nay hope of linking industry with the peasant market and successfully fulfilling the other immediate tasks in order to create the conditions for building the foundations of socialist economy.

"To carry on a war for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie," says Lenin, "a war which is a hundred times more difficult, protracted, and complicated than the most stubborn of ordinary wars between states, and to refuse beforehand to manoeuvre, to utilise the conflict of interests (even though temporary) among one's enemies, to reject agreements and compromises with possible (even though temporary, unstable, vacillating and conditional) allies-is not this ridiculous in the extreme? Is it not as though, when making a difficult ascent of an unexplored and hitherto inaccessible mountain, we were to refuse beforehand ever to move in zigzags, ever to retrace our steps, ever to abandon the course once selected and to try others?"

Under certain conditions, in a certain situation, the proletarian power may find itself compelled temporarily to leave the path of the revolutionary reconstruction of the existing order of things and to take the path of its gradual transformation, the "reformist path," as Lenin says in his well-known article "The Importance of Gold,"1 the path of flanking movements, of reforms and concessions to the non-proletarian classes-in order to disintegrate these classes, to give the revolution a respite, to recuperate one's forces and prepare the conditions for a new offensive. It cannot be denied that in a sense this is a "reformist" path. But it must be borne in mind that there is a fundamental distinction here, which consists in the fact that in this case the reform emanates from the proletarian power, it strengthens the proletarian power, it procures for it a necessary respite, its purpose is to disintegrate, not the revolution, but the non-proletarian classes.
Under such conditions a reform is thus transformed into its opposite.
The proletarian power is able to adopt such a policy because, and only because, the sweep of the revolution in the preceding period was great enough and therefore provided a sufficiently wide expanse within which to retreat, substituting for offensive tactics the tactics of temporary retreat, the tactics of flanking movements.

Is this the essence of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics? Has the CPC, despite it's corruption, actually been mostly run by Leninists committed to this line for the last 30 years and Xi is now going back on the offensive?

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Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

Debt means nothing, or at least is different from the American context.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

I think the destruction generated by the Cultural Revolution can be compared the the Russian civil war in many ways, which is why both Lenin and Deng went this path. Deng was begging for the Chinese people to just get back to work and focus on building shit. All the progress that China had made in the first half of the 20th century was at risk of being lost, and I think Deng sensed that the longer China stayed technologically backward, the harder it would be to catch up.

People can propose this or that socialist policy that China should have followed, but absolutely none of you were in Deng's position and have ever struggled with even a fraction of the problems that plagued 20th century China.

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

twitter.com/qin_duke/status/1137781362189058051

They really have nothing to offer to businesses besides the fact they are Hong Kongers. So all that is left for them is to rage and fume, blame the locusts and shinajin, and larp as colonial coolies while stewing at home with their parents because Hong Kong has no future for them

Thomas James
Thomas James

Good work but get Jiang Zemin out of the background. He is most hated leader in China. Put Deng, Mao, or Sun Yat Sen there instead.

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

I think the destruction generated by the Cultural Revolution can be compared the the Russian civil war in many ways
And I think your a heritage foundation hack.

Adam Perez
Adam Perez

He prob is. Still, the economy practically came to a halt for about 2-3 years.

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

For real, what’s up with Dengists, and Revisionists in general spewing neoliberal talking points about market efficiency and al, that crap?

Adrian Wood
Adrian Wood

trot
still buttmad that Lenin didn't magic FALC out of nowhere and conquer the world
still having zero revolutions to his name

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

Weather you want to admit or not the cultural revolution was a good thing, and markets are inefficient compared to planning. This is not political arguments, this is objective scientific fact.

Xavier Robinson
Xavier Robinson

tries to be edgy,but isn't even that funny
also buys into Maoist propaganda, which was just a cover for internal power struggle

Brody Kelly
Brody Kelly

Can any Xiaboo here tell me about the Communist Party’s plan to retake control of private enterprises by 2050? Apparently Xi mentioned something about it during a speech earlier this year.

I’m getting sick of Jack Ma’s rubbish and I’m secretly hoping that the CPC has been playing 4d chess since the Deng Xiaoping capitalist reforms….

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Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

It's not that markets are so great. It's just that planning is so shit. Although I have hope that Cockshott saved it.

Jason Jackson
Jason Jackson

/liberalpol/index.html

Nolan Howard
Nolan Howard

Sad that only we know.

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Landon Foster
Landon Foster

Communism is truly pathetic. Better off with a monarchy if the citizens are so dimwitted to be unable to govern themselves.

Camden Wood
Camden Wood

Ok liberal

Lucas Morales
Lucas Morales

Implying

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Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

Just have fun.

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Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

I had based the poster design on the 50th poster which had Zemin, but yes you are right, Mao is a better choice.

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Anthony Collins
Anthony Collins

Updated civilian poster.

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Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

Updated military poster.

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Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

A law that makes it possible to let extradict a murderer from Hongkong hiding in Hongkong to be judged in Taiwan where the crime happend.

Somehow thats Chinese oppression because Anglo media.

Logan Wood
Logan Wood

very nice

Alexander Williams
Alexander Williams

Good job, mate!

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

The USSR fell because the party was infiltrated by people whose interests were better served by capitalism, and you're holding on to a country whose party allows open billionaires in its ranks?

Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

Michael Hudson: Trump’s Trade Threats Are Really Cold War 2.0

nakedcapitalism.com/2019/06/michael-hudson-trumps-trade-threats-are-really-cold-war-2-0.html

America’s wish list: other countries’ neoliberal subservience

At stake is whether China will agree to do what Russia did in the 1990s: put a Yeltsin-like puppet of neoliberal planners in place to shift control of its economy from its government to the U.S. financial sector and its planners. So the fight really is over what kind of planning China and the rest of the world should have: by governments to raise prosperity, or by the financial sector to extract revenue and impose austerity.

U.S. diplomacy aims to make other countries dependent on its agricultural exports, its oil (or oil in countries that U.S. majors and allies control), information and military technology. This trade dependency will enable U.S. strategists to impose sanctions that would deprive economies of basic food, energy, communications and replacement parts if they resist U.S. demands.

The objective is to gain financial control of global resources and make trade “partners” pay interest, licensing fees and high prices for products in which the United States enjoys monopoly pricing “rights” for intellectual property. A trade war thus aims to make other countries dependent on U.S.-controlled food, oil, banking and finance, or high-technology goods whose disruption will cause austerity and suffering until the trade “partner” surrenders.

China’s Willingness to Give Trump a “Win”

Threats are cheap, but Mr. Trump can’t really follow through without turning farmers, Wall Street and the stock market, Walmart and much of the IT sector against him at election time if his tariffs on China increase the cost of living and doing business. His diplomatic threat is really that the US will cut its own economic throat, imposing sanctions on its own importers and investors if China does not acquiesce.

It is easy to see what China’s answer will be. It will stand aside and let the US self-destruct. Its negotiators are quite happy to “offer” whatever China has planned to do anyway, and let Trump brag that this is a “concession” he has won.

China has a great sweetener that I think President Xi Jinping should offer: It can nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. We know that he wants what his predecessor Barack Obama got. And doesn’t he deserve it more? After all, he is helping to bring Eurasia together, driving China and Russia into an alliance with neighboring counties, reaching out to Europe.

Trump may be too narcissistic to realize the irony here. Catalyzing Asian and European trade independence, financial independence, food independence and IT independence from the threat of U.S. sanctions will leave the U.S. isolated in the emerging multilateralism.

America’s Wish for a Neoliberal Chinese Yeltsin (and Another Russian Yeltsin for That Matter)

A good diplomat does not make demands to which the only answer can be “No.” There is no way that China will dismantle its mixed economy and turn it over to U.S. and other global investors. It is no secret that the United States achieved world industrial supremacy in the late 19th and early 20th century by heavy public-sector subsidy of education, roads, communication and other basic infrastructure. Today’s privatized, financialized and “Thatcherized” economies are high-cost and inefficient.

Yet U.S. officials persist in their dream of promoting some neoliberal Chinese leader or “free market” party to wreak the damage that Yeltsin and his American advisors wrought on Russia. The U.S. idea of a “win-win” agreement is one in which China will be “permitted” to grow as long as it agrees to become a U.S. financial and trade satellite, not an independent competitor.

Trump’s trade tantrum is that other countries are simply following the same economic strategy that once made America great, but which neoliberals have destroyed here and in much of Europe. U.S. negotiators are unwilling to acknowledge that the United States has lost its competitive industrial advantage and become a high-cost rentier economy. Its GDP is “empty,” consisting mainly of the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) rents, profits and capital gains while the nation’s infrastructure decays and its labor is reduced to a prat-time “gig” economy. Under these conditions the effect of trade threats can only be to speed up the drive by other countries to become economically self-reliant.

Michael Jenkins
Michael Jenkins

Michael Hudson: Trump’s Trade Threats Are Really Cold War 2.0

nakedcapitalism.com/2019/06/michael-hudson-trumps-trade-threats-are-really-cold-war-2-0.html

America’s wish list: other countries’ neoliberal subservience

At stake is whether China will agree to do what Russia did in the 1990s: put a Yeltsin-like puppet of neoliberal planners in place to shift control of its economy from its government to the U.S. financial sector and its planners. So the fight really is over what kind of planning China and the rest of the world should have: by governments to raise prosperity, or by the financial sector to extract revenue and impose austerity.

U.S. diplomacy aims to make other countries dependent on its agricultural exports, its oil (or oil in countries that U.S. majors and allies control), information and military technology. This trade dependency will enable U.S. strategists to impose sanctions that would deprive economies of basic food, energy, communications and replacement parts if they resist U.S. demands.

The objective is to gain financial control of global resources and make trade “partners” pay interest, licensing fees and high prices for products in which the United States enjoys monopoly pricing “rights” for intellectual property. A trade war thus aims to make other countries dependent on U.S.-controlled food, oil, banking and finance, or high-technology goods whose disruption will cause austerity and suffering until the trade “partner” surrenders.

China’s Willingness to Give Trump a “Win”

Threats are cheap, but Mr. Trump can’t really follow through without turning farmers, Wall Street and the stock market, Walmart and much of the IT sector against him at election time if his tariffs on China increase the cost of living and doing business. His diplomatic threat is really that the US will cut its own economic throat, imposing sanctions on its own importers and investors if China does not acquiesce.

It is easy to see what China’s answer will be. It will stand aside and let the US self-destruct. Its negotiators are quite happy to “offer” whatever China has planned to do anyway, and let Trump brag that this is a “concession” he has won.

China has a great sweetener that I think President Xi Jinping should offer: It can nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. We know that he wants what his predecessor Barack Obama got. And doesn’t he deserve it more? After all, he is helping to bring Eurasia together, driving China and Russia into an alliance with neighboring counties, reaching out to Europe.

Trump may be too narcissistic to realize the irony here. Catalyzing Asian and European trade independence, financial independence, food independence and IT independence from the threat of U.S. sanctions will leave the U.S. isolated in the emerging multilateralism.

America’s Wish for a Neoliberal Chinese Yeltsin (and Another Russian Yeltsin for That Matter)

A good diplomat does not make demands to which the only answer can be “No.” There is no way that China will dismantle its mixed economy and turn it over to U.S. and other global investors. It is no secret that the United States achieved world industrial supremacy in the late 19th and early 20th century by heavy public-sector subsidy of education, roads, communication and other basic infrastructure. Today’s privatized, financialized and “Thatcherized” economies are high-cost and inefficient.

Yet U.S. officials persist in their dream of promoting some neoliberal Chinese leader or “free market” party to wreak the damage that Yeltsin and his American advisors wrought on Russia. The U.S. idea of a “win-win” agreement is one in which China will be “permitted” to grow as long as it agrees to become a U.S. financial and trade satellite, not an independent competitor.

Trump’s trade tantrum is that other countries are simply following the same economic strategy that once made America great, but which neoliberals have destroyed here and in much of Europe. U.S. negotiators are unwilling to acknowledge that the United States has lost its competitive industrial advantage and become a high-cost rentier economy. Its GDP is “empty,” consisting mainly of the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) rents, profits and capital gains while the nation’s infrastructure decays and its labor is reduced to a part-time “gig” economy. Under these conditions the effect of trade threats can only be to speed up the drive by other countries to become economically self-reliant.

Gavin Williams
Gavin Williams

Trump’s Trade Threats Are Really Cold War 2.0
No they aren’t. Not wanting a trade deficit is something totally reasonable. Why are so many self-proclaed “leftisits” defending free trade is beyond me. That shit is cansor that causes deindustrialization and poverty.
America’s Wish for a Neoliberal Chinese Yeltsin (and Another Russian Yeltsin for That Matter)
No, America just wants to not have to buy everything from China, and they want to not have their industry be shipped overseas and have some autarky.

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Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

actually believing state department talking points
Because China forced US capitalists to move industry oversea in 1980. Read some more of Michael Hudson, he has good analysis and if you're really a trot, well he is too so you'll get along well with him.

David Baker
David Baker

Because China forced US capitalists to move industry oversea in 1980
That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that the decades of policy of free trade that allowed offshoring is being reversed by the Trump Administration, and that China is flipping out over it, because it will mean an end to American Capital investments in China.

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

It's not though because Trump is putting taxes on imports only if they come from china, so the capitalists will just move production to other, lesser developed countries. Even Trump must be aware of this.

Alexander Thomas
Alexander Thomas

You missed this part:
Today’s privatized, financialized and “Thatcherized” economies are high-cost and inefficient.
Costs are too high due to rentier parasites. US capitalists are not investing in productive sectors. They're siphoning all your surplus value into stock and real estate speculation.
user's scenario here is what will happen.

Easton Williams
Easton Williams

Costs are too high due to rentier parasites
Partially yes, but mainly due to high labor costs. High labor costs are unprofitible in capitalist free trade economies. American goods are uncompetitive because a few decades ago American factory workers decided that they didn’t want to work more then forty hours a week, and good for them. America deserves criticism for many things, but having high wages is not one of them. High wages are a virtue, not a problem.

Dylan Mitchell
Dylan Mitchell

That process had already begun, but the other Asian countries have neither the infrastructure nor population of China. All of this stuff is marginal, which I know is a dirty word on Zig Forums, but still. There will be some capitalists who, because of their situation, will determine it is more profitable to bring their production back to America. Others will move to Vietnam or Cambodia or wherever.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Yang: Chinese historic increase in prosperity should not be viewed as a threat

youtube.com/watch?v=zZuISAsqwqk&t=460

Democrat presidential candidate Andrew Yang warns against tech trade war with China stating "interdependence decreases the likelihood of conflict" and opposes the "zero-sum game mentality" of the current US administration's protectionist trade policy.

thehill.com/hilltv/rising/449128-andrew-yang-not-all-aspects-of-china-behavior-should-be-viewed-as-threat

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Benjamin Turner
Benjamin Turner

Mike Gravel: China wants to raise billions of people around the world out of poverty

Democrat presidential candidate Mike Gravel educates Jimmy Dore about China and says the future belongs to China. He states that unlike the IMF and World Bank, China makes non-recourse loans to countries which cannot impose austerity on the populace.

youtube.com/watch?v=0ByAkTiwQEw&t=311

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Ethan Moore
Ethan Moore

Jimmy Dore's conservative, MAGA and libertarian fans ENRAGED over Mike Gravel's endorsement of China's geopolitics and domestic economics. Mass downvotes and unsubscriptions ensue

Jimmy's fans are FURIOUS over Mike Gravel's suggestion that America is not the greatest country in the world and that Americans should stop acting arrogant and pretending they're better than everyone else. They also take issue with Gravel's slamming of the US founding fathers for being genocidal slave-owning colonialists and that America "from its inception was never free."

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Nathan Roberts
Nathan Roberts

First-world labor aristocrats EXPOSED

Andrew Bell
Andrew Bell

Do you keep having to write shitty sensationalism about Jimmy Dore TRIGGERING his reactionary fans?

Jonathan Walker
Jonathan Walker

My take on Dengism is that the most important part of it is letting in foreign capital and NOT so much (internal) market forces. Looking at Russia, they weren't able to secure good foreign investment, they were developed and industrialized already and then crashed hard and still haven't properly recovered. According to neoclassical logic, the market would've solved all deadlocks and optimized outputs of the soviet economy. Instead the sector that suffered the most is light industry (so actual consumer goods) and instead they became dependent on energy exports and imports of consumer goods. The former USSR puts out coal and steel still but less cameras and shoes. Consider how the usual accusation against planning is that it's good at putting out coal and steel in bulk but cannot account for hairbrushes, watches, toilet paper etc. when capitalist restoration shows the opposite trend.

Basically, what Deng did actually makes a lot of sense, but do not buy the market kool-aid. That's not what grew China, it's finding a way to let in capital from the developed capitalist-imperialist core but unlike countries like India and Bangladesh (which aren't getting ahead like China is) they do not have a comprador bourgeoisie who are interested in collaborating with foreign powers and keeping their own country stagnant. It's why China started making our phones and moved up the supply chain to design their own and sell them to us. Other manufacturing countries aren't doing this.

Robert Stewart
Robert Stewart

very insightful post. thank you for this.

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

Any well knowledged English commentated takes on all things China from any sort of Marxist perspective? Am I too hopeful for such a thing outside of China itself?

Julian Ward
Julian Ward

Last 2 long lectures by Richard D Wolf st semocrqcy at work yootoob

Xavier Hill
Xavier Hill

Jimmy Dore is a reactionary.

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

Is china really on the "primary stage of socialism"?

Elijah Smith
Elijah Smith

What is telling about the position of anti-China Western leftists, especially of the academic variety, and renders it both obviously untenable and totally acquiescent, is not only the inability to admit that the country and its governance is at least partially socialist, but the adamant refusal to applaud any of the numerous advances achieved and social net good produced, often on epic scales, EVEN as a "social democratic", "totalitarian capitalist", or what ever descriptor they prefer, state entity.

If such drastic improvement of the conditions of the working class, extensive implementation of environmental initiatives, or the actual assistance of independent economic development in colonised regions occurred with almost any other country, say, Mexico, Serbia, Poland, or indeed, Germany, the UK, or US, you can be sure that these same "leftists" would be in full celebratory mode.

The only plausible reason for this is that the careers of these people, as researchers, writers, publishers, or political organisers, are built in the "leftist" culture sectors of the capitalist imperialist core, which is, in its very essence, ideologically against existing-socialism. Anti-capitalist commodities can be produced in the West with one all-important caveat: that they do not present any actual threat to the present social order, which the acknowledgement of existing, and highly functioning to boot, socialist alternatives would most certainly constitute.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair

Cooper Thomas
Cooper Thomas

Depends on which interpretation of Marx you use. The one most in favor of China being socialist would be that there exist a large socialist and Capitalist sector side by side.

John Bennett
John Bennett

I saw this on Facebook last night, is this a new copypasta or something?

Xavier Kelly
Xavier Kelly

If such drastic improvement of the conditions of the working class, extensive implementation of environmental initiatives, or the actual assistance of independent economic development in colonised regions occurred with almost any other country, say, Mexico, Serbia, Poland, or indeed, Germany, the UK, or US, you can be sure that these same "leftists" would be in full celebratory mode.
China's capitalist improvements for workers are only after immense ruin and primitive accumulation under Deng. Living conditions absolutely plummeted during the reforms, in many ways all of the present "progress" is still catching up with where they were in the 70s.

Daniel Carter
Daniel Carter

Isn't this definition of one country two systems by Deng?
Also, western leftists doesn't give too much atention to China.

What if the transition to a socialist society takes way longer than Marx imagined andChina is on this transition right now?

Easton Powell
Easton Powell

Isn't this definition of one country two systems by Deng?
No, "one country, two systems" refers to the PRC's plan to achieve peaceful reunification with Taiwan, in which the mainland would be socialist while Taiwan would continue to have a capitalist economy.

In fact Hong Kong is cited by Chinese officials as an example of this, since the agreement for Britain ending colonial rule over Hong Kong included this: "The current social and economic systems in Hong Kong will remain unchanged, and so will the life-style."

The CPC's argument for allowing capitalist elements to exist on the mainland is that China is only in what it terms the primary stage of socialism, i.e. the economy isn't developed enough to do away with such elements without harming economic growth and a steady increase in living standards.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

Depends on which interpretation of Marx you use. The one most in favor of China being socialist would be that there exist a large socialist and Capitalist sector side by side.
socialist and capitalist sector side by side
Socialism is the abolishment of private property and wage labor, which are required to exist. Oh wait, the definition of socialism Dengists use is “Socialism is when the Govemrent does stuff” never mind.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

Socialism is the abolishment of private property and wage labor, which are required to exist.
abolishment of wage labour is more of a communist goal

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Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

He is most hated leader in China
why? i don't know anything about frogman.

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Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

Yeah I can see Jiang being somewhat polarizing (since he allowed capitalists to be admitted into the CPC, which was a pretty controversial move among party members for obvious reasons) but I don't think "hated" is accurate. There's apparently some nostalgia for the Jiang years among more liberal-minded Chinese who disapprove of Xi's somewhat more "hardline" politics, and lots of young Chinese know Jiang as the subject of Internet memes based on his amusing personal antics.

Coincidentally, I recently scanned a collection of Jiang's writings: archive.org/details/JiangZeminThreeRepresents

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

what is with every CPC leader introducing their own thing to CwCC? like Jiang had Three Represents, Hu had the Scientific Outlook on Development, and Xi has the Four Comprehensives? how do they keep pumping out these little guideline things every decade or so, considering they all just seem to be restating the same party lines since the 80s?

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

I think we can all agree it's-it's never right t-to take something that is not yours (referring to "intellectual property")
Is this sort of slimy baby-talk normal on American TV?
*"intellectual property theft" cases scroll by*
The Oreo White Case
Oreo, as in those cookies? Oreos themselves are an imitation of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrox That aside, I am not partial to the philosophy that some recipe that is a century old ought to be the monopoly of anybody.

Hmm, looks like FOX copied I mean "stole" the list from here: prosperousamerica.org/top_ten_cases_of_chinese_ip_theft and there is a bit more to the Oreo story. Anyway, industrial espionage is pretty normal. It is also what western nations have done to each other, especially Americans and the French. One of the things on the list is wind-turbine technology, which reminds me there was a case in the aughts with Americans copying stuff from either a German or Swiss wind-turbine company, it went to court, the (American) court told the Euros to get fucked, since the tech was "proven" to be an American invention with documents that still had the logo of the Euro company on them.

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

Because if you're claiming that you're guiding the economy and country you have to at least look like you are in fact in control of the situation. You can't just coast on like neoliberals and tell people that everything will just work out on its own.

Brody Hernandez
Brody Hernandez

It can reach rather silly dimensions, and it just seems to be a way for party leaders to "establish" themselves and ensure their legacy is continued by subsequent leaders.

This was a problem in other countries as well, e.g. by virtue of being General Secretary you had Ceaușescu, Zhivkov and other leaders treated as outstanding theoreticians with various ghostwritten works dealing with subjects like the organization of agriculture.

Brezhnev actually had to tell speechwriters to tone down the number of Marx quotations in his speeches because, as he put it, "who's going to believe I ever read Marx?" Ironically Gorbachev made a serious effort to read Lenin, but obviously that didn't make him any better as a leader.

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

No Communism is the abolishment of the state. Socialism is the abolishment of private property.
This shit is the Chinese version of Campaign Slogans. “Four Comprehensives” is the Chinese version of “Make America Great Again.”

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

Brezhnev actually had to tell speechwriters to tone down the number of Marx quotations in his speeches because, as he put it, "who's going to believe I ever read Marx?"
Lmao. At least he wad honest about it. Jordan Peterson could learn a thing or two from Brezhnev.

Parker Allen
Parker Allen

Is that not a a huge blinking alarm sign though? Das Kapital was required reading if you wanted to be a Western European technocrat before 1980, I find it rather shocking that the leader of the ML superpower hadn't read Marx.

Dylan Morales
Dylan Morales

What's the deal with Uighur muslims?
youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c
I realize this is BBC shit and I'm not going to take it at face value, but is the situation truly one sided propaganda against China? how much of this is true?

Leo Lee
Leo Lee

Chinese government does not want Xinjiang to become another Kosovo or Bosnia. China learned from Yugoslavia. If China gives Uighurs too much religious freedom and political autonomy then China loses Xinjiang and the U.S. steals it. There are groups in the CIA as well as ISIS proxies assigned specifically to the Xinjiang case that are working 24/7 to infiltrate and sow FBI among the Uighur population. Due to this situation, China has to use harsh methods to prevent Uighurs from becoming a separatist threat.

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Austin Reed
Austin Reed

sow disc0rd, fuck your word filter

Landon Diaz
Landon Diaz

What's the deal with Uighur muslims?
State Atheism being enforced

Anything remotely anti-CCP is funded by the CIA.
Next your going to star putting the word America in triple brackets.

Oliver Scott
Oliver Scott

State Atheism being enforced
The user was asking about whether or not the BBC could be trusted. Do you trust the BBC, trotposter?
Next your going to star putting the word America in triple brackets.
There's no conspiracy behind American imperialism. American imperialism IS the conspiracy.

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

The word filter is meant to refer to the communication software, this is a funny accidental use of the word.

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

Do you trust the BBC, trotposter
No, but this is besides the point. Also my point about state atheism was that it’s good that China is doing it one of the few good things they do however acting like all internal opposition to the policy is CIA is being retarted.

Nicholas Gomez
Nicholas Gomez

That's not what argued. Can't vouch for stacheposter but you must admit that religious/ethnic/nationalist separatism has been a key point of US foreign policy in the past few decades to promote its agenda in the international system. How difficult do you think that would be for the US to co-opt and turn towards its agenda? The media certainly displays stirrings of these sentiments, BBC included. No one's saying the marginalization of Chinese muslims is a CIA conspiracy front to back. The political movement for religious freedom in Xinjiang is wholly reactionary and often home to terrorists. This is obviously not something the US intel and security state is necessarily shy of working and cooperating with. Pardon the reductions here but there's nothing "socialist" about allowing a reactionary anti-state movement to flourish without restrictions on civil freedoms, particularly when foreign intelligence agencies would be eager to pounce on it and exploit it to their advantage.

Kayden Price
Kayden Price

No one's saying the marginalization of Chinese muslims is a CIA conspiracy front to back. The political movement for religious freedom in Xinjiang is wholly reactionary and often home to terrorists.
I’m not saying what China is doing in Xinjiang is bad, what I’m saying is that the opposition to their decisions isn’t some CIA psyop.

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

If like your last post you mean internal opposition, I'm inclined to agree with you. But you would then in turn agree that internal opposition is conducive to political meddling vis-a-vis the CIA, and thus in the interests of US foreign policy?

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

tfw Gorbachev was a brainlet who didn't understand Lenin
This is why you have to read.

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

Their hasn’t been any hard evidence of CIA funding on Xijang Separatist groups, and until their is I doubt that their is. Not all politics is geopolitics.

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

So what do you think they talk about?

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Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

Me while giving Xi a ride back home from the airport: youtube.com/watch?v=68JQtxTzjqc

Owen Williams
Owen Williams

The USSR funded the original Xijang separatists during the soviet-sino split.

They exist because of the USSR and KGB not the CIA.

Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

I don't think probable KGB support for the Eastern Turkestan People's Revolutionary Party in the 1960s has much to do with modern separatists who base themselves on Islamic fundamentalism and ties to foreign terrorist groups (who in turn often got their start fighting with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets.)

Separatism was already an issue in Xinjiang during the 1940s-50s, if not earlier.

Lincoln Jenkins
Lincoln Jenkins

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Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

If you mute the video and the broadcasters voice to directly go from video evidence, I still don't see how the conditions in those centres are appropriate for what the Chinese say they are for as reeducation.

Is making leaflets praising the gov really the best way to re-educate people? What of reading theory, book clubs or the teaching of practical skills other than service industry skills?

Of course you never know what is left out of these videos so perhaps these things are done, yet you would think that Chinese officials would put the best rehabilitation methods front and centre. It mostly reminds me of a shitty US school and would expect more sophisticated services tbh.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

Official Chinese government response to Xinjiang's re-education camps:

globaltimes.cn/content/1148676.shtml

Xinjiang needs to strengthen grass-roots publicity and education work, so that people in sensitive areas can understand the general situation of the game between China and the US, as well as the attempt made by some Western forces to incite extremism within China, which would serve as cannon fodder for their China strategy.

Also the Chinese do admit it's not all just foreign interference and that they've dropped the ball on handling Uighurs' employment problem particularly with discrimination in their market economy.

wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08BEIJING1661_a.html

However, during the same period, the employment rate for ethnic minority recent graduates in Xinjiang was a dismal 20 percent, while it was 94 percent for ethnic Han (the Chinese majority ethnicity) graduates. The study's authors blame the unemployment problem on a lack of employment opportunities offered by mid- to large-sized state-owned enterprises (SOEs), a focus among ethnic minority graduates on finding work in "developed, urban centers" instead of in underdeveloped border areas, inadequate employment information for graduates, and insufficient Mandarin skills among ethnic minority job-seekers. This particular report proposes an eight-step solution to the predicament, including development of tourism and manufacturing of cultural products (i.e. industries that typically rely heavily on minority employees), improvement of preferential hiring policies for ethnic minorities, incentives for private sector hiring, incentives for minority graduates to go work in rural and borderland areas and improved Mandarin language training.

Mulati Heiniyati (strictly protect), an ethnic Kazakh scholar in the Xinjiang Academy of Social Sciences (XJASS) Institute of Religions, expressed shock at how many young, university-educated Uighurs are working in restaurants because they cannot find other job opportunities. Heiniyati lamented that many well-educated Uighurs are relegated to low-paying, unskilled work. Heiniyati said the resulting disgruntlement could threaten social stability and may offer fertile ground in which Islamic radical groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir could take root (refs B, C).

Li said the XUAR Government has made efforts to require government departments and state-owned companies to hire more ethnic minorities, but the market is now the dominant generator of jobs in Xinjiang. Li told PolOffs that Uighurs, whether blue or white collar, simply do not have a good reputation with employers.

Evan Sanchez
Evan Sanchez

fuck every single one of those boomer fags. the world will leave them behind so i don't have much sympathy for them.

my jerb got taken by a china man and ma state is failing but at least i got muh FREEDUM(TM)

Nolan Davis
Nolan Davis

What's the deal with Uighur Muslims?
eurasiafuture.com/2019/02/10/todays-xinjiang-is-more-peaceful-than-at-any-time-in-modern-history-due-to-political-stability/
If you don't want to read the article, Xinjiang province is part of a geopolitical struggle, which is centuries old. Over time there have been various emperors up to the Soviets attempting to gain influence on this region, today it's western powers. The Uighurs are basically pawns.

They are being funnelled through re-education camps, the purpose of those education camps is removing people from religious influences, it probably doesn't matter what they are thought. There is a secondary purpose, by shuffling large amounts of people through these institutions it becomes organisationally difficult for foreign destabilization campaigns to take hold because it disconnects contacts with agitators and it interrupts erosion campaigns, the people that come back from these camps are strategically less valuable for destabilisation campaigns because they might have been turned in to double agents.

If recent strategy of western powers is any indication then geopolitical struggle can entail reversing development of the region, and for opponents or Belt and road the goal might be civil war as means to sow chaos as economic development and infrastructure programs are very difficult to implement in an environment with sectarian violence, legal and political insecurity.

If you want to simplify this you could say there is a struggle between logistical power of the Chinese government for stability and wester powers ability to subvert it, and the Uighurs are caught in the middle.

The morals or values that are debated here are whether governments should seek authority to be exert coercive force in a open and visible way or whether government should seek to be very subtle and use manipulation for coercive force.

Obviously this isn't some binary struggle between unity and secession in the context of geopolitical struggle, and there is a hole level of internal politics that is obfuscated from an outside perspective. If one wanted to forward a criticism based in a material context, one would have to consider the tension between communists and religion, to be largely unresolved. Religion can be seen as a "brain-service" that produces via stimulation a certain mental state and if one were to aim to replace this with secular alternatives, it would be wise to consider less invasive versions to go along side with a possibly scaled down application of re-education camps.

Liam Cook
Liam Cook

They also take issue with Gravel's slamming of the US founding fathers for being genocidal slave-owning colonialists and that America "from its inception was never free."
b a s e d

Ryder Reyes
Ryder Reyes

Does somebody have a source to debunk this "the CPC harvests organs" meme that I see popping up on Reddit?

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

They don't? I doubt CPC directly (maybe in prisons) but from my knowledge there's a large organ shortage in China.

Ian Campbell
Ian Campbell

China has a comprador bourgeoisie which would gladly cooperate with foreign powers, but they are being "oppressed" by the CPC. The national intelligence law from 2007 for example submits all companies under the will of the state if national security is at risk.

Lincoln Foster
Lincoln Foster

The PRC as it exists won’t stay stable for long of Ali Baba isn’t nationalized.

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

They harvested organs from (dead) death row inmates. This practice has since stopped and Pope Francis praised China for it. As for live harvesting, US Embassy in Beijing debunked it in 2006. Reddit and MSM are literally rehashing decades old news. Google it.

Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

many countries have legal policies that allow them to extract your organs if you do not explicitly sign terms to deny such a process after death.

Parker Young
Parker Young

based

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

Can someone de-spook me on Chinese people? I've seen one too many webm's on /gif/ to be completely sure that they are capable of empathizing and thinking critically.

Jayden Mitchell
Jayden Mitchell

read a book

Nathan Evans
Nathan Evans

Start with the Good Earth.

Noah White
Noah White

?
is that a book?

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Earth
It's a novel written by an American missionary's daughter about life in China. One of the characters joins the left wing of the KMT later on
Also Malraux has written an amazing novel about the Shanghai Massacre, called Le condition humaine.
If these don't convince you, stop browsing /pol/ and go talk to a Chinese person irl. All that time you should listen to 程璧 as much as possible.

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Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

So I've been watching through Adam Curtis documentaries recently. In the first episode of the "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" series he said that the only reason why the US markets stayed stable after the post 9/11 rate cuts was because of China flooding America with cheap goods and (through buying government bonds) cheap money. Is this true? If so, how exactly would this have a stabilising effect? And does this mean that China could at a whim crash the US markets by opting out of trade (or did this somehow change after the 2008 crash), and if so, doesn't it mean that Trump would fuck the entire country if he committed to the trade war?

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Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

What did the book teach you?

James Watson
James Watson

Books don't have to teach you stuff, dummy.
Well it has some nice passages on how freeing yourself can only come by liberating the country, and its historical context taught me things about soft power, so I'd say give it a try.

Malraux reads no introduction, really.

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Julian Clark
Julian Clark

I mean about Chinese people

Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

That they're exactly as human as your average German or Nigerian or Chilean. And much, much more reliable than the Chilean guys.
Stop having silly spooks and like the other guy recommended go read a book.

Jace White
Jace White

Man I really can't wait until China overtakes America and the chinese left usurps the western """"""""""""""""""""""""""left"""""""""""""""""""""""" scum who've squandered EVERY opportunity at socialism.

I have much more faith in the chinese proletariat than ANY western countries proles. Hedonistic, selfish, fascist scum. "Socialism" in the west means trot diversion for imperialism or outright collaboration.

Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

A bit hypocritical to complain about hedonism when you're on Zig Forums, don't you think?

Leo Howard
Leo Howard

Yeah I include myself with the western scum, I hope China ascends and obliterates me along with everyone else here.

James Carter
James Carter

I always think this was based on Tom Hiddleston

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Logan Lopez
Logan Lopez

If they are exactly as human, why are there no good video games or movies from mainland China then, despite the growing middle class and good education?

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

When was the last time you saw a famous non american movie?

Jose Foster
Jose Foster

Man how can I stop hating America, the more I learn of capitalism and American imperialism the angrier I become. WHY ARE AMERICANS DOING THIS AND WHY IS NO ONE IN THE WEST STANDING UP TO THEIR BULLSHIT!

Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

irrelevant. Why does Japan mass produce quality vidya whilst China hasn't produced one?

Ryder Butler
Ryder Butler

irrelevant
You live in the Amerisphere so most media you consume is going to be from the Amerisphere aswell. Ofcourse Chinese movies aren't screened here - doesn't mean they don't have a thriving film industry. If you want to see what a Chinese blockbuster looks like check out The Wandering Earth - it's not a great movie but it's Hollywood-like and probably easy to consume for cretins like you.

Japan has always been leading in the video game industry and is basically tied to the Amerisphere aswell. Japanese culture is actually very westernized. Japan has 1. a historically developed video game industry which China doesn't have and 2. has been making games for the western market since forever now so it's no surprise it reaches here.

One could also look at other Asian countries with high populations and pose the same question instead of just looking at China - why aren't we seeing Bangladeshi, Indian, Indonesian or Vietnamese films and games? Could it be cause we don't live there?

Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

Because video games are for subhuman manchildren which is exactly great for being a good little consumer drone

Oliver Flores
Oliver Flores

I hope this chinese put those cantonese dogs in concentration camps. We dont need easily brainwashed puppets into our socialist state, plus most of them arent even han chinese, they're more closely related to fucking vietnamese people.

William Green
William Green

Lurk more faggot

James Gray
James Gray

Found this today, while browsing China Daily:

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Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

Communists should immediately go into their nearest KFC branch and demand that they honor Lei Feng's revolutionary example by serving the special Lei Feng menu.

Demand to speak to a manager. If the KFC does not comply you should cause a major scene inside the KFC

youtube.com/watch?v=u3NJf9GtvCw

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Brayden Ward
Brayden Ward

Rise of U.S. populism stems from domestic setbacks

xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/26/c_138175907.htm

The rise of populism in the United States stemmed from the setbacks in the country's domestic system, rather than external factors, according to a Chinese expert.

U.S. domestic setbacks are directly reflected in the worsening of inequality and the continuous regression of the economic power of the middle and lower classes, according to an article under the byline of Mu Feng, an expert with Liaowang Institute, a think tank run by Xinhua.

If faced with an unexpected expense of 400 U.S. dollars, 27 percent of people surveyed by the Federal Reserve would need to borrow or sell something to pay for such a bill, and 12 percent would not be able to cover it at all, the article reads, citing a Federal Reserve report made public in May.

Bigger setbacks for the middle and lower classes are in elderly care, education, life expectancy and medical care, according to the article.

For them, education spending is a heavy burden, the article says, adding that former workers in the U.S. Rust Belt region cannot even afford to pay for their children's education due to sharp declines in their own welfare.

"As U.S. manufacturing moves abroad, finance and high technology have become the dominant industries, but the high demand for educational input required by these emerging industries is simply not affordable for people in the region," says the article.

"The next generation of the middle- and lower-class groups has thus been isolated from the future," it reads, noting that a large number of young middle- and lower-class Americans have "lost hope for the future."

A major source of drug abuse in the United States lies in the inability of large numbers of people in the Rust Belt region to achieve effective employment, the article says.

"It is worth further analysis and identification whether the rise of populism in the United States today is due to other countries stealing jobs of the middle and lower classes of the U.S., or to serious problems in wealth distribution inside America," it adds.

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Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

I've met a few Chinese people, and I even dated one. None of them were like the cliche of the Chinese bugman, in fact they were the most humane and empathic people I've ever met. I feel like these images/gifs of Chinese people not caring when someone is run over by a car are extremely cherrypicked, at least they don't live up to my personal experience.

David James
David James

deep-throat-ipo.blogspot.com/

This guy thinks so. Sounds like bullshit to me tbh, since his entire theory hinges on the CCP controlling every single Chinese person who bought property in the West lmao.

What China has actually been doing is using the dollars they get from selling goods in the West to buy hard assets (ports, mines, etc) and GOLD while decreasing their treasury holdings. They are betting that the US gov will Weimer republic itself soon and want to be positioned to thrive when that happens.

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Any time someone says the left can't meme - show them these.

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

FBI pushes US universities to spy on Chinese students & visitors

rt.com/usa/462960-fbi-spy-chinese-students-universities/

The FBI is urging American universities to help the agency spy on Chinese students and scholars from Chinese research institutions, particularly those working in tech, science, math, engineering, and anything defense-related.

Universities are being asked to shoulder some of the burden of surveillance regarding the 340,000 or so Chinese students attending school in the US last year as tensions between the two countries continue to mount. FBI officials have made the rounds of at least 10 major universities in the last year, warning the schools that students and scholars associated with any entities on the agency's list of suspect Chinese companies and research institutions should be monitored, according to three administrators at three of the schools who spoke to NPR.

“It's not a question of just looking for suspicious behavior — it's actually really targeting specific countries and the people from those countries,” Indiana University VP of Research Fred Cate told NPR, adding that the agents were particularly interested in learning which labs Chinese students were working with and “what information they are being exposed to.” Specifically, they’re being told to look at research that might have defense applications, the administrators said.

The National Institutes of Health, the largest public funder of biomedical research in the world, has cracked down hard on Chinese visiting scholars in recent months, according to Bloomberg, which investigated one such probe into a top Chinese-American scientist railroaded out of the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center on technicalities once overlooked as standard operating procedure for scholarly collaboration. But what was once innocent sharing of work is now potential spying.

“Threats to the integrity of US biomedical research exist,” NIH director Francis Collins warned more than 10,000 research institutions in an ominously vague memo sent in August. “Foreign entities have mounted systematic programs to influence NIH researchers and peer reviewers and take advantage of the long tradition of trust, fairness, and excellence of NIH-supported research activities.” Collins advised the institutions to schedule their own meetings with the FBI to learn the latest on the Chinese threat.

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Dylan Collins
Dylan Collins

I've been warning my Chinese friends about this.

Jacob Davis
Jacob Davis

Xi Jinping is a Communist, not a dumbshit "left".

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

Is this the essence of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?
Yes.

Has the CPC, despite it's corruption, actually been mostly run by Leninists committed to this line for the last 30 years
Yes.

and Xi is now going back on the offensive?
Sorta. But private property is likely not going to be fully abolished in Xi's rule or indeed his lifetime.

Alexander Campbell
Alexander Campbell

spewing neoliberal talking points about market efficiency

"Some comrades deny the objective character of laws of science, and of laws of political economy particularly, under socialism. They deny that the laws of political economy reflect law-governed processes which operate independently of the will of man. They believe that in view of the specific role assigned to the Soviet state by history, the Soviet state and its leaders can abolish existing laws of political economy and can 'form', 'create', new laws.

These comrades are profoundly mistaken."

- J. V. Stalin, in "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR"

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

wtf i love mike gravel now

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

none of that quote supports the market. it easily argues for Cockshott's (correct) interpretation of the law of value w/r/t the planned economy.

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

Thoughts on the life of President Xi Jinping?

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

Correct, "Economic Problems" was written in defence of the planned economy of the Soviet Union at the time, but I posted that quote to refute people who think that any aspect of the economy seen as capitalist (or "neoliberal") is necessarily antithetical to building socialism and must be immediately abolished (rather than the opinion on technical grounds that a planned economy would be more adequate for China now).

Stalin says the same of immediately abolishing commodity production in the same book: "Certain comrades affirm that the Party acted wrongly in preserving commodity production after it had assumed power and nationalized the means of production in our country. They consider that the Party should have banished commodity production there and then. […] These comrades are profoundly mistaken."

Honestly it's a great short read: marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

Hong Kong descends into chaos as protesters storm legislature
<reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition/hong-kong-descends-into-chaos-as-protesters-storm-legislature-idUSKCN1TV0YE?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

A small group, mostly students wearing hard hats and masks, used a metal trolley, poles and pieces of scaffolding to hack through reinforced glass and charge at the government compound.

“I have friends… They don’t want their children to grow up in a just another Chinese city with no future for the next generation.”
This is literally turning your back at capitalism when it doesn't work in your favor.

Jose Davis
Jose Davis

The party should have razed the city and declared it a natural reserve in 1997.

Joshua James
Joshua James

They should have taken it back the way India took back Goa.

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Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

Pretty inspiring. I know he worked in his youth as a simple farmer, while being an avid reader of books.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

This is why cancelling the Cultural Revolution was a mistake, had this been the late 60's student red guards would've torn these lib gusanos a new asshole

Ryder Wood
Ryder Wood

UK wasn't an isolated, fading colonial power so it definitely wasn't doable.
Not that you're wrong…

Thomas Baker
Thomas Baker

“I have friends… They don’t want their children to grow up in a just another Chinese city with no future for the next generation.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
China 90%
Hong Kong 51%

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate
China 1.6
Hong Kong 1.2

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_debt
China 49.22
Hong Kong 70.56

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
China 9.8 (0.0098%)
Hong Kong 12.3 (0.0123%)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
China 46.5%
Hong Kong 53.7%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real)_per_capita_growth_rate
China (2006-2010) 10.62%
Hong Kong (2006-2010) 3.24%

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

Hong Kong protests: Thousands rally in support of police and Beijing
bbc.com/news/world-asia-48817530

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Hunter Murphy
Hunter Murphy

Hong Kong: Protesters storm and deface parliament on handover anniversary
bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48821640
Protesters defaced the emblem of Hong Kong and raised a British colonial flag
video:
twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1145696970327109633

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Zachary Collins
Zachary Collins

this pro-China protest was really big.

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Henry King
Henry King

A Hong Kong Protester’s Tactic: Get the Police to Hit You
nytimes.com/2019/06/30/opinion/hong-kong-protests-police-violence.html

Grayson Clark
Grayson Clark

"Fucking American!" - Pro-China Hong Kong Protestors Express Anger at Yankee Imperialist Propagandists
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Gabriel Clark
Gabriel Clark

Hahaha, you can't make this shit up. Can't tell if it's covered with Pentagone fingerprints or that HKers are irredeamable mental coolies. Probably both. Comrade Xi, turn HK into a monkey island park, it'll be an improvement.

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Christian Thompson
Christian Thompson

CNN say 165,000 "from local sources", and claim 2 millions for the anti extradition protest
Is there any other sources for the numbers ?

also, I don't know that much about HK, they're basically a full capitalist city state that pay taxes to china ? Are they retarded and US manipulated ?

raised a British colonial flag
holy shit, how much of a retarded cuck do you have to be ?

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

there are, right now, at this very moment, Anarchists, socdems, and Trots saying we must give our full support to the Hong Kong coolies

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

Is there anything more cucked than a pro-western Hongkonger? I don’t even think pro-unionist Scots or Irish are this pathetic.

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

These people really are the gusanos of the east

Jace Evans
Jace Evans

Trump reversed course on Huawei. What happens now?

cnn.com/2019/06/29/business/huawei-trump-us-goods/index.html

Six weeks after Huawei was blacklisted by the US government, President Donald Trump had what the Chinese telecom firm described as a "U-turn."

Trump said Saturday that "US companies can sell their equipment to Huawei," as long as the transactions won't present a "great, national emergency problem."

In May, the US Commerce Department banned sales of American-made goods to Huawei without first obtaining a license. US officials have accused the company of working to undermine US national security and foreign policy interests.

Trump said Huawei was still part of the ongoing trade discussions between Washington and Beijing, but for now, he would move to resume allowing US companies to sell parts to the Chinese firm.

The Commerce Department, which issued the ban against Huawei in May, did not respond to requests for comment on how it will modify the company's status. The White House did not immediately respond to questions about whether it had already asked Commerce to review the issue.

The ban on purchasing goods from American companies is not, however, the only policy hurdle Huawei faces in the United States. An executive order Trump signed in May bars US firms from purchasing or using Huawei telecom gear. Officials said it could pose a spying risk to Western infrastructure networks.

Huawei, which is considered a world leader in developing technologies to support 5G networks, has said banning the company from the United States would ultimately hurt American businesses and consumers.

"Restricting Huawei from doing business in the US will not make the US more secure or stronger; instead, this will only serve to limit the US to inferior yet more expensive alternatives, leaving the US lagging behind in 5G deployment," the company said in a statement responding to the executive order.

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Owen Flores
Owen Flores

raised a British colonial flag
I swear HK needs to ask itself what kind of relationship they really want if they are so hostile to China’s reforms coz this ain’t it, chief.

Benjamin Thompson
Benjamin Thompson

Bizarre moments with Xi Jinping

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Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

Wait. Is that car real?

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

Does Xi ever change expression?

Thomas Gray
Thomas Gray

It's real. They use it in military parades and other ceremonies.

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Justin Cook
Justin Cook

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James Sanders
James Sanders

If you're in that car are you required to wear the Mao suit?

Asher Myers
Asher Myers

Huh, guess /lit/ and /his/ was right about China being fascist.
What if it's literally the same suit, just polished and cleaned every few years?

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Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

I can smell daddy Mao in that suit

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Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

Mao suit
It is a Sun Yatsen suit, to be specific

Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

do chinese people actually call it a Sun Yat-Sen suit though?
I'd imagine they call it Mao suit, to be honest.

Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

I'm pretty sure most governemnt officials are required to wear that suit, at least during formal events.

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

RT: Is CIA behind Hong Kong Protests?
youtube.com/watch?v=5paUnW44neE

Brody Gonzalez
Brody Gonzalez

So did Mao just find the suit somewhere in Beijing and went "yeah, that look good on me"?

Jeremiah Parker
Jeremiah Parker

Huh, guess /lit/ and /his/ was right about China being fascist.
tf are you talking?

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

Mao was a Sun Yat-Sen stan so ofcourse he wore it.

Charles Edwards
Charles Edwards

IIRC they're saying stuff like "Serve the people" back and forth to each other.

Dominic Hall
Dominic Hall

No wonder that to the westerner it sounds bizarre.

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

Yes the actual chinese name for those is Sun Yat-Sen suit.

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

In more recent years (since 2009) only the president wears a Mao suit. The other top officials are wearing regular western suits.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

ChInA’s vAnIsHiNg MuSLImS: UndERcOveR iN tHe MoDt DyStOpIaA PlAcE In ThE WorLd
youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

Luis Edwards
Luis Edwards

oh, boi

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Asher Wood
Asher Wood

has 7 kids in China
nothing to see here, move along

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Aiden Butler
Aiden Butler

US defense department has called them concentration camps
Heh

Elijah Phillips
Elijah Phillips

7 kids
What’s the big deal?

Jason Long
Jason Long

Venezuela's oil production recovering and sales to China increased significantly in June

reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-oil-exports/venezuelas-june-oil-exports-recover-to-over-1-million-bpd-data-idUSKCN1TX1MH
venezuelanalysis.com/news/14570
twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1146624425606942721

Venezuela’s oil exports recovered in June from a sharp drop the month before, helped by increased deliveries to China, which is now state-run oil firm PDVSA’s primary destination for its crude, according to company records and Refinitiv Eikon data.

PDVSA and its joint ventures exported 1.1 million barrels per day (bpd) of crude and refined products last month, a 26% increase over May. Chinese buyers took 59% of the shipments, followed by India with 18% and Singapore with 10%, the documents showed.

June data show the OPEC member nation has been able to restore the level of exports it maintained earlier this year, after the U.S. imposed sanctions on PDSVA in January designed to starve the nation of oil revenue. PDVSA has since reorganized its businesses to continue crude exports, which are the country’s main source of revenue.

Venezuelan oil exports to China have risen consistently since the sanctions hit, the data showed. In February, the volume shipped was 233,000 bpd, and in June it almost tripled to 656,000 bpd. However, PDVSA’s exports to India, another large receiver, have declined to 200,000 bpd, while deliveries to Europe have remained around 85,000 bpd in recent months.

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Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

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Isaac Cook
Isaac Cook

rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2019-07-02-0001

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Lincoln Sullivan
Lincoln Sullivan

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-02/china-to-scrap-securities-firm-ownership-limits-by-2020-li-says

Is this the beginning of the end? Industrial capital is one thing, but uncontrolled financial capital is a death sentence for the real economy

Grayson Nguyen
Grayson Nguyen

Is this the beginning of the end?
My third eye tells me PRC, with all of the conflicting news comming out of it, is in a state of crisis. It's just hidden well enough for people not to notice that much.

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

Ah yes complete freedom for finance capital, truly a basic tenant of communism.

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

My hope is that they are trying to make porky take financial assets that will become worthless in crisis and China will use the money to buy hard assets like infrastructure and industry with it.

Ethan Allen
Ethan Allen

The PRC has been capitalist for 30 years. Up till now it has worked as a dictatorship of the national Bourgeoisie with strong social democracy. The social democratic aspects are due to the ideological remnants of the past within the CPC, and the need of the CPC to somewhat keep up appearances ("Socialism with chinese characteristics") to maintain its rule.
The Bourgeoisie has obviously grown in size and power, and this qantitative change seems to have kicked off a qualitative leap were the ideology of the PRC now completely adjusts to run-of-the-mill Bourgeois thinking. We see this in the fact that there is now talk of 'deregulation' to 'stimulate the economy'. This signals a fundamental paradigm shift because 'deregulation' and 'cutting taxes' objectively do not work to stimulate economic growth in a capitalist economy. Or if it does, then only bullshit 'growth' in the financial sector.The best way to do Capitalism is with the state taking on an important role and focusing on production, technology and infrastructure. This is how the PRC has done it up to this point. Financial deregulation and cutting taxes are just the immediate short-sighted demands of the Capitalist class and especially finance capital. The push of neoliberalism shows precisely that it is not sound economic thinking that reigns supreme in the CPC, but pure Bourgeois ideology. The process that started under Deng 40 years ago is nearing its completion.

Evan Long
Evan Long

Everything makes sense when you realize that China is America from fifty years ago. Their period of rapid growth is starting to end, and will soon enter their own version of Stagflation.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

Is this the beginning of the end? Industrial capital is one thing, but uncontrolled financial capital is a death sentence for the real economy
Ah yes complete freedom for finance capital, truly a basic tenant of communism.

Chinese government still owns everything that matters. Central bank, railways, electricity, oil and gas, telecommunications, automotive, metals, forestry, shipbuilding, aerospace, nuclear, and on and on. You are underestimating how massive and ubiquitous China's SOEs are. Don't forget that China is continuing to increase real wages, adult literacy rates, GDP per capita and life expectancy; reduce poverty; expand public health insurance coverage; and maintain a 90% home ownership rate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_Assets_Supervision_and_Administration_Commission
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies_of_China

We see this in the fact that there is now talk of 'deregulation' to 'stimulate the economy'. This signals a fundamental paradigm shift because 'deregulation' and 'cutting taxes' objectively do not work to stimulate economic growth in a capitalist economy. Or if it does, then only bullshit 'growth' in the financial sector.

I agree with you in general at least when it comes to developed countries, but China's tax rates are still in the higher end by world standards. E.x. China's corporate tax rate is 25%, Norway's is 23%, Denmark's is 22%, Sweden's is 21.4%, United States' is 21%, Finland's is 20%, Iceland's is 20%, United Kingdom's is 19%. China is still a developing country with negative net migration, and the government has a goal of pulling in as much foreign capital as possible while maintaining a balancing act of not allowing Chinese living standards to stagnate or deteriorate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

Dengists defending corporate tax cuts
lol

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

China isn't changing their corporate tax rate, just cutting VAT. Regressive taxes aren't something a leftist should cheer for.

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

read but China's tax rates are still in the higher end by world standards. E.x. China's corporate tax rate is 25%, Norway's is 23%, Denmark's is 22%, Sweden's is 21.4%, United States' is 21%, Finland's is 20%, Iceland's is 20%, United Kingdom's is 19%.
This is defense of cutting the corporate tax rate.

Lincoln Lopez
Lincoln Lopez

No, you have poor reading comprehension. They get plenty of tax revenue from high-by-world-standards corporate taxes, so there is little argument against cutting a regressive tax like VAT to provide a temporary stimulus during the trade war.

China is even thinking of introducing an inheritance tax. Hopefully it's not a meager 10% nominal rate and they go with 50%+ like Japan and South Korea have.
huffpost.com/entry/china-considering-to-collect-inheritance-and-gift-taxes_b_58d39f0ae4b099c777b9df24

Ryder Brown
Ryder Brown

Honkies should be made into dumpling wrappers, preferably with Uyghur filling. I want to feed those w/ a heaping side of dog meat to their 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸Anglo🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 ring masters.

Isaac Cook
Isaac Cook

Nice, Uyghur filling is absolutely halal.

Hudson Nelson
Hudson Nelson

gonna need a 100% inheritance tax for communism by 20XX

Austin Morgan
Austin Morgan

Coolies flying the butcher's apron again
twitter.com/Tong_Shuo/status/1147838803844816896

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Thomas Mitchell
Thomas Mitchell

Honkies should be replaced by whitoids, since that's what they desire the most in the world.

Leo Ward
Leo Ward

vanishing muslims
lmao
time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-islam/
Minorities like Uyghurs and Tibetans are exempted from the two child policy to prevent Han Chinese domination. This is conveniently ignored by liberals who accuse China of "genocide" against these groups.

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Dylan Gomez
Dylan Gomez

Anyone know anything about this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo_Temporary_Government

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

Why would anyone prop up Manchuko in 2004?

They were not a legitimate government in the first place, just a puppet state used to maintain Japan’s influence in China.

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

HBO

Kek, what is this corporations fucking problem? Pure concentrated anti-communism for the last 2 years. Arguably the last episode of Game Of Thrones was anti-communist too. They must literally be fully staffed by the CIA.

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

Funny enough there literally was an ex CIA guy in one of the last episodes. The agency tweeted about it lol

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

And here I thought celebrating being a British colony was the peak of cuckery.

Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

U fAGoTs ArE tHe MoSt EnoRmOuS fAgGoTs ReSpOnSiBlE fOr KiLliNg ThE pEoPlE oF tHiS cOuNtRy!

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

50% by 2025, 100% by 2050 AND 0% by 2100

Luis Turner
Luis Turner

Dialectical Materialism Is the Worldview and Methodology of Chinese Communists
By: Xi Jinping
english.qstheory.cn/2019-07/09/c_1124508999.htm
It's finally out. What do you all think?

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Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

Finally, thanks for posting.

Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

Based Xi

Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

Legalism which dates back 2500 years and has had a massive influence on Chinese Society is highly adaptable to Marxist Leninism as opposed to Liberalism and Post-Modernism which has poisoned any revolutionary potential in the West.

google.com/amp/s/china-journal.org/2016/05/16/mao-zedong-legalism-confucianism-similarities-differences/amp/

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Michael Torres
Michael Torres

Great article. It certainly clarifies a lot about China’s ongoing development which I was previously very critical of from a Soviet prospective.

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

Not a single mention of class struggle. Plus the whole "praising the cement mixer of capitalist roaders Deng Xiaoping". I am not convinced.

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

ctrl f "class"
no results
ctrl f "struggle"
no results
ctrl f "workers"
no results
start reading
vague nonsense about staying realistic
When will people accept that the revolution has been set back by a right deviation? Is it so hard to understand that China is capitalist but also more progressive on the world stage than the US?

Anthony Sanchez
Anthony Sanchez

Found this gem seeing if they had an inheritance tax at least

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Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

What a conglomerate of Chinese fortune cookie wisdom (he literally quotes Chinese emperors here) with only a single sentence that makes a reference to actual dialectical materialism (that matter determines consciousness) that is negated in the next paragraph right afterwards. Definitely not convinced. If that's the type of "Marxism" that Chinese students are subjected to, I don't see China becoming socialist in the future.

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

China will become socialist when the rate of profit falls down to zero and they have no other choice. Mabey this will happen around 2050?

Jeremiah Bell
Jeremiah Bell

I don't fucking understand economics or history, can someone explain deng shit to me, why a socialist country big enough to not need imports needed foreign capital in the first place?
Can't China produce all the shit they're producing now without imports?

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Logan Ross
Logan Ross

Why are the people on this website so fucking retarded? Unironically shoot them all, fuckin lolbert fags

quora.com/Do-you-believe-China-PRC-has-morphed-from-communist-to-fascist-since-the-time-of-Mao-After-all-while-they-were-already-very-nationalistic-and-under-one-party-control-they-didnt-have-a-capitalist-system-and-or

Jordan Brooks
Jordan Brooks

Chinese government still owns everything that matters. Central bank, railways, electricity, oil and gas, telecommunications, automotive, metals, forestry, shipbuilding, aerospace, nuclear, and on and on. You are underestimating how massive and ubiquitous China's SOEs are.
Lenin coined a term for a system where the commanding heights of the economy are state-owned and the rest is private, and it was state capitalism.
Don't forget that China is continuing to increase real wages, adult literacy rates, GDP per capita and life expectancy; reduce poverty; expand public health insurance coverage; and maintain a 90% home ownership rate.
So did the US in the 50s. China is obviously a capitalist state, and as such it has already developed a national bourgeoisie that dominates its politics, imperialist tendencies, and a large politically disenfranchised working class. Sure, they're working on raising GDP and standards of living, but so did plenty of other capitalist powers that we would have no trouble opposing. You wouldn't suggest that the worker's of the Paris Commune hold off on revolution because Napoleon III claimed he wanted to improve their standard of living. I honestly think all this frantic defending of China is simply Anons who would otherwise be doomers desperately trying to cling to some hope that China will spontaneously revert to socialism, since they see little hope for the left anywhere else. The fact is that China is a capitalist, imperialist power with very little to distinguish it from any other. The only hope for Chinese socialism lies with Maoist dissidents, not the literal billionaires that run the CPC.

Lucas Morgan
Lucas Morgan

I don't fucking understand economics or history, can someone explain deng shit to me, why a socialist country big enough to not need imports needed foreign capital in the first place?
Can't China produce all the shit they're producing now without imports?

China is dependant on oil imports, and it's domestic food production could only barely sustain it's citizens. They have a choice of either selling their labour power on the global market or become very militaristic. They could have chosen the route of only trading labour power for resources, without opening markets, that would have had the advantage of not generating class society, on the downside they would not have gotten technology transfers, that was enabled by the Deng Xiaoping route, where they opened special economic zones where foreign capitalists could set up their production lines. The Soviet Union did develop almost all of their own technology, this had some advantages like the ability to do fully integrated designs with unparalleled cost/benefit ratios but also downsides, of having to compete against a capitalist world with a much larger pool of mental technological labour-power. The CPC still controls the heavy industry sector and the military so they basically control vital inputs/outputs of all other sectors, which keeps capitalists on a leach. If they continue the path layed out by Deng they will likely also have to open up the financial sector, with money being essentially a points system, where people look at numbers on banking account paper or screens then behave according to the numbers they see. The social credit system which also is a points system where people behave according to the points they see on their screens is essentially going to function as a similar leech that allows for making profits but restricts foreign financial capital from gaining political power. So far people in China that get rich via capitalist accumulation only stay that way briefly for the most part, If China can prevent rich people from perpetuating their wealth status via creating dynastic wealth they will be fine, and not suffer the fate of western societies where dynastic wealth betrays the societies they came from and cause western civilisation to bleed out. In addition the Chinese government has put party-members with veto powers into most companies that have more than 100 employees, this is essentially safeguard against capital strike. China is also facing contradictions like cheap labour power interferes with automation, they are attempting to create data optimized society, but are collecting more information on people then on their material conditions. Their large level of inequality is hindering their development of intellectual capacities to some extend, there also is the environmental stuff and geopolitical battles.
If you want to know whether or not China will turn socialist, well the capitalist mode of production will run out in a few decades and then it kind off depends on what political current in the CPC is prominent. They are creating the material conditions for socialism, in terms of gathering the means of production, electrification of the energy system, rising the living conditions of the proles… So it'll be to a significant extend political. At the moment it looks a bit like the long term rising trend will become something along the lines of national Maoism. China has geographic safeguard that prevents them from turning into a global hegemon like the United States, so they can't really parallel western style capitalist imperialism, but that also means they won't spread the revolution, if they go socialist.

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

Coolies now doing bourgeois struggle sessions
youtube.com/watch?v=xgsjUZO9y4k

Grayson Jackson
Grayson Jackson

There were no quotes from Chinese emperors. The ancient people he quotes were scholars, admittedly some were aristocrats but that is to be expected of feudal societies.

Jason Brooks
Jason Brooks

China is dependant on oil imports, and it's domestic food production could only barely sustain it's citizens. They have a choice of either selling their labour power on the global market or become very militaristic.
You know who bought food from the Americans? The USSR. You don’t have to be capitalist to trade with capitalist countries.

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

China is dependant on oil imports, and it's domestic food production could only barely sustain it's citizens. They have a choice of either selling their labour power on the global market or become very militaristic.
You know who bought food from the Americans? The USSR. You don’t have to be capitalist to trade with capitalist countries.
Proving my point, the USSR was very militaristic, starving them, wouldn't have been possible, also you are wrong the US embargoed plenty socialist countries, and to this day are attempting to starve the Drpk. If the balances of power were to shift and no capitalist country were in a position to wield global hegemonic power then what you are saying would be true, so I would agree with you in general, but disagree in the particular.

Owen Gray
Owen Gray

How stupid can you be to show your face and that sign to camera in China?

Caleb Torres
Caleb Torres

Well he's attempting to whore himself out to a British monarch, and to be fair that probably worked well in past as a strategy.

Levi Green
Levi Green

also you are wrong the US embargoed plenty socialist countries
Yes, but the countries they embargo are pretty minor. The US won’t embargo China because they depend on China for rare earth metals.

Austin Bennett
Austin Bennett

Yes, but the countries they embargo are pretty minor. The US won’t embargo China because they depend on China for rare earth metals.

The US wants vassals that sell the resources and buy weapons with the proceeds.

Daniel Moore
Daniel Moore

China's economy and foreign trade are bigger than the US's. If the US sanctions or embargoes China, a significant portion of states if not the majority will choose China over the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
rt.com/business/china-us-largest-trading-country-908/

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

What am I looking at?

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

China isn’t a US vassal though.

Owen Parker
Owen Parker

Neil Bush (son of George HW) defends the PRC, calls anti-China propaganda "fake news"
scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3018019/us-china-relationship-mutually-beneficial-so-drop-paranoia-and

Is this the power of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

China to promote labor education in schools
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-07/09/c_138212249.htm
E. China province bans classes preaching female obedience
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/27/c_138178497.htm
China motivates universities to promote rural vitalization
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/12/c_138137696.htm
Spotlight: China, Israel seek deeper cooperation in higher education
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/14/c_138055788.htm
6,700 rural students to receive free medical education
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/12/c_138052928.htm

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

english.qstheory.cn/2019-07/09/c_1124508999.htm
Any western Marxists commented on this?

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

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Justin Howard
Justin Howard

Death is not end of life – the story of a "one-man" team

xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/12/c_138051888.htm

A thump. Another thump. And another one. The sounds reverberated through an empty stadium in Inner Mongolia. Sunlight poured in through the windows, illuminating the court and the surrounding green walls.

Liu Fu clumsily bounced a basketball, held it up, tried to shoot for the hoop and missed.

Liu didn't know how to play basketball. His thick, rough hands were more used to holding a drill than a ball. However, the former migrant worker would stand in front of hundreds of thousands of people and display his awkward basketball skills in the Chinese women's league All-Star Game on January 27, 2019, in memory of a basketball-loving boy whom he had never met but who now was already a part of his life, literally.

Liu's memory often flashed back to the night of April 27, 2017, when he lay in the surgery room of the Second Xiangya Hospital in Hunan Province waiting for an organ transplant. Out of the corner of his eye, he saw someone come into the room, carrying a box.

"They are of excellent quality," were the last words Liu heard before he lost consciousness, according to a story released by the Beijing News.

In the box were the lungs of a 16-year-old boy, Yesha, who had died early that morning.

In retrospect, April 27 was an ordinary day for most people in the world, yet on this very day a lot of people saw their fates forever changed - among them, a lively boy whose life stopped at 16, two devastated parents and seven patients, some of whom were terminally ill.

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Asher James
Asher James

Are uighirs being detained and genocided or is it just a western lie

Benjamin Rivera
Benjamin Rivera

bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/04/05/are-historic-mosques-in-xinjiang-being-destroyed/
They are defo destroying mosques.

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

bellingcat
fuck off

Samuel Cook
Samuel Cook

What's wrong with Bellingcat? It's like wikileaks but they seek out the information.

Ian Torres
Ian Torres

They make shit up all the time. They're shills.

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

wtf I like Dengism now

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

So……. Is China socialist or not?

Kayden Bell
Kayden Bell

What does genocide even supposed to mean? Are christian missionaries commiting genocide?

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

One-party state capitalist mixed economy with a political rebranding as a "socialist market economy", "primary stage of developing socialism" or "socialism with Chinese characteristics." Supposedly they're not interested in whatever the next "stage of socialism" (marketless planned economy?) might be for at least 30 years unless some crazy breakthroughs occur like unlimited energy.

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Ofc it's a western lie just like the June 4th "massacre".

thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

journal-neo.org/2018/10/24/us-fueling-terrorism-in-china/

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

Actually good article too bad it's posted on scmp

Hunter Garcia
Hunter Garcia

china wins again BABY
youtube.com/watch?v=nrCVmPlkIr4

Leo Long
Leo Long

So can we talk about this for a moment?

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Joseph Bennett
Joseph Bennett

china is a growing boy

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

wtf are those smaller countries doing

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

Posting here for any fellow Chinese brothers to see, we need to be cautious of Jews in China, I'm seeing an influx of them on twitter consistently supporting separatist movements under the pretence for supporting "democracy" and other sjw bullshit to sow internal FBI within the country. We need some kind of cap on these people, they go where opportunities are, and are not loyal to anyone but other Jews/Israel. They ruined the US and now actively trying to undermine the ccp. Here are some screenshots I have of them trying to infiltrate China all the while enjoying making money and rooting girls in China. I will be making a collection of Jews infiltrating China with their support for "democracy" and "open societies" when really they just want the ccp to collapse so they can continue their world domination in the US.

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Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

why did it say FBI? *Internal FBI/ chaos

Christian Long
Christian Long

Productive forces to make gachimuchi videos don't run on air

youtube.com/watch?v=Irtl93guUgs

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

Per Capita China is pretty average. Now the Commonwealth countries on the other hand.

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Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

Chinese Cerebral Palsy-Sufferer Youth Types Prize-winning Novels with Lip, Tongue

youtube.com/watch?v=wiI1xRzQNbc

A young writer, who suffers from cerebral palsy, has typed several novels with his low lip and tongue for more than a decade.

Chen Weiqi, 35, who lost his ability to control most of his body parts years ago, has finished several science frictions online, with one of them, the most famous "The Advance of Life", being selected for the 10th Xingyun Awards for Global Chinese Science Fiction, a competition covering almost all the world's Chinese-speaking community early this month.

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Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

They embarrassed themselves in regards to the Duoma "gas attack" and only fire against geopolitical enemies of the U.S.

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

There isn't any concept of "Western Marxism" and "Eastern Marxism" anymore since 1991. The whole thing was a result of the Cold War. We are all just Marxists now.

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

Dengism is a remnete from the Cold War, where geopolitical struggle was prioritized over ideological struggle.

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

Time to roll up the sleeves and get a firm grip on some bootstraps and pull myself up amirite?

Okay, yes the guy is inspiring. I couldn't imagine having any sort of motivation anymore if my body was in that state

Justin Walker
Justin Walker

With Chinese trains rolling, Cuba starts revamping railway system

youtube.com/watch?v=zTjNXe8Lg6o

The first train made up entirely by Chinese wagons began a 14-hour, 835-km journey between Havana and Santiago de Cuba, the second-largest city on the island on Saturday. It was the first time in 44 years that Cuba received new railroad cars.

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Logan Gomez
Logan Gomez

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