Will I survive a semester of economics in a Burger college? Time will tell. PS I paid $200 for this schlock
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WAKE ME UP
Daniel Ward
Charles King
Survive, yes. Enjoy, probably not. When I took my first course in conventional economics way back in undergrad, I had a professor who was part of the market transition team for Albania and Yugoslavia and that was a fucking ordeal. Just the professor, some of the russian students whose family were with the White Russians, and the Chinese exchange students tag teaming to suckle the teat of capitalism at all possible opportunities. They'll go on to flourish in a college of economics, but the best work done is always by physicists, computer scientists, mathematicians, and political economists.
Dominic Ward
IDK that textbook seems mostly correct to me.
Connor Green
if that's what the definition of capitalism is, then capitalism has never existed once in history.
Daniel Cooper
Fuck off.
Easton Taylor
They have socialism listed as “significant government control over the economy” and communism as “total government control”. That’s not what Marxists talk about at all. They could have at least given a shitty definition along the lines of
I’m sure someone more well-read could critique that definition but its better than “muh gubmint control”
Liam Nguyen
the only thing the textbook really leaves out is that it's a worker's government
Camden Russell
But isn't that one of the fundamental differences between Leninism and Marxism? That Marxism believes the workers control the production whereas Leninism knows there needs to be a centralized ruling body that allocates production?
Isaac Sanchez
The thing is, Marx used socialism and communism synonymously. So to him they meant the same thing. The best short definition for communism would probably be
As you can see, the definition given in the book is completely wrong. The most hilarious part is the sentence where it says "In a communist society, the profit that it [capital] generates goes to a government authority". How stupid is this author, to believe that capital will continue to exist in a communist society? That misses the whole point!
John Morales
should i take an econ course here? eek
Isaiah Anderson
(Marxism)-Leninism is just, as Stalin put it best in his book The Foundations of Leninism, "is Marxism in the era of imperialism and the proletarian revolution. To be more exact, Leninism is the theory and tactics of the proletarian revolution in general, the theory and tactics of the dictatorship of the proletariat in particular."
On the topic of production you could debate on worker-control and stuff like that but Marx, Engels and Lenin were in agreement about the need for the proletariat to seize the means of production and convert them into state-property.
Engels:
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Marx:
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Cameron Young
lol Bolsonaro at this point is just reading off the script that all the School of Americas guys get.
Alexander Bell
FUCKING MONETARISTS REEEEEEEEEEE
KEYNES WOULD KILL THEM ALL WITH HIS BARE HANDS
Luke Ward
Okay, but what is the difference between the state and its rulers and the bourgeoisie? What stops the people in power from being selfish with that power? This is my greatest conflict with communism in general. It sounds like monarchy where you have the best form of government with a benevolent dictator, but the worst form of government under a tyrannical asshole, e.g. Stalin.
Colton Sullivan
what kind of a retard does that?
Daniel Turner
A proper constitution that does not allow revisionism. Every citizen must have a copy of this constitution, and it must be one very objective and not open to interpretatioin. If those leaders break it, then any citizen should be allowed to confront him, and what comes next is said leader being kicked out, or at worst, getting sent to the wall.
Jaxon Phillips
My view is that the solution is a far more participatory democratic system. The people themselves would take a larger part in basic decision-making, the electing of officials, making all officials subject to recall by their constituents, things like referendums and other methods such as sortition or possibly e-democracy. While many of the 20th century socialist states obviously had democratic elements I think the workers themselves should have had much more power and decision-making ability. The people need to be masters of the state, and not the other way around.
Cooper Peterson
porkies exploit people, the DOTP provably does not.
The revolution. What do you want? God to come in and intervene against anyone who seems opportunistic? The only thing that ever stops anyone from doing selfish things is social organization.
Jack Morris
You probably will not survive, but you can try
Sebastian Watson
Quoting Marx directly:
The example Marx gives to illustrate what such a state would look like is the Paris Commune.
Sebastian Parker
I'm sure this will work better than the last 50 times it was tried
Caleb Cruz
what are you majoring in? do you have to take an economics course? why can't you just learn it on your own?
Nathan Robinson
You need to alienate yourself from your assignments. Not like something you do, but a chore you have to satisfy to stay in the game. This skill will be most useful in the adult life.