Rise of liberalism since 2016

Christopher Miller
Christopher Miller

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016? What ended up hapening to the left becoming so full of bougie stuff like dengism, leftcoms and rad-libs. Did we fail to properly show to people how Id-pol and liberalism is just a failed path that will lead to nowhere?

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reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-lawsuit/air-traffic-controllers-union-sues-over-unpaid-work-during-government-shutdown-idUSKCN1P524Z

John Bennett
John Bennett

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016?
no?

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

Leftypol used to be way biger back in ghe day my dude u cant deny this.

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

Mostly becouse all the liberals started comming to here after trump won asking themselfs what did they do to allow him to win.

James Young
James Young

there was nothing special about 2016 that increased liberalism

Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

Keep telling yourself it's nothing to do with the two months of blatant wrecking in 2017 handing the narrative back over to the wokescolds this place was made to combat.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Zig Forums's anti idpol stance has been bleeding into various places. Wokescolds have a solid demographic, but I can't imagine them being able to hold much influence while at the same time having majority of young lads and women who would want to join the right when Trump is seen as the leader of the world's economic collapse.

Gabriel Mitchell
Gabriel Mitchell

Trump is seen as the leader of the world's economic collapse
what sort of fantasy land are you living in?

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

Presumably the same one everyone but you is in.

Chase Allen
Chase Allen

Did we fail to properly show to people how Id-pol and liberalism is just a failed path that will lead to nowhere?
On the contrary, I think the daily 10 threads we have about "why the left is being destroyed by lib idpol" is making us look like as big of a joke as the online right.
Also this place has like what? 2k users at most? Hardly "the most influential place in the internet left"
I think the biggest problem the online left has, is that instead of radicalizing libs we delude ourselves into thinking that we either need the dumbest reactionaries who won't budge left anyway, or that all reactionaries are slay kween, hillary/beto "capitalism is cool" types. If we continue to gatekeep potential leftist it's obvious that the politically illiterate will just choose to hang out with shitty online reactionaries instead of the overtly puritan lefties.

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James Martin
James Martin

I'm primarily talking about the US, which is I believe where most of Zig Forums's traffic comes from. All I can be certain on political topics is admittedly domestic to the US. Trump is seen by most people to be the one who is responsible for the US government closing down some of their functionaries. The only people who truly support him are cynical midwesterners, idpol poisoned baby boomers, and the rich.

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

anarchist
An ideological laughing stock of identity politics and redblack liberalism.

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

US government closing down some of their functionaries
if you know anything about US politics shut downs are all for show

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

Well a lot of government workers in the US aren't getting paid at the very least.

Adrian Hall
Adrian Hall

if you know anything about US politics
That will preclude the majority of people. If a crash happens during the shutdown you can bet the anti-Trump brigade will blame it on him for so long it becomes an accepted fib.

Hudson Reed
Hudson Reed

Most government programs are funded months in advance. The would only stop getting paid if it carried on for months which shutdowns never do.

If a crash happens during the shutdown you can bet the anti-Trump brigade will blame it on him for so long it becomes an accepted fib.
this is not likely

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

User count right is prety low yeah but it used to be double this back in the day tho. I woudent say we are the laughting stock for being so extremely anti idpol but rather becouse everybody just became extremely liberal in only 2 years after trump got in power.

Lincoln Gutierrez
Lincoln Gutierrez

When will this autistic Maoist stop making such shitty threads?

Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

Implying there is only one maoist in this board

Leo Brooks
Leo Brooks

wokescold
lmao how have I not heard this before

Christian Brown
Christian Brown

"radicalizing libs" won't do they.

Justin White
Justin White

Libs can project their numbers more with astroturfing, ads, social media, actual media, ect. Commies are going it alone, so they naturally always look smaller, even if we have more actual members than online lib hangouts. On top of this we are a chan site, which itself is a fairly insular online culture which doesn't see a lot of new recruits coming aboard, and what recruits it does see is usually fucking boomers and aut-right types. Recruiting new actual leftists here is a chore because you would either have to acclimate them to chan culture, or convert the reactionaries that are already somewhat prominent in chans. That plus the split bullshit and it's pretty easy to see why Zig Forums is fairly weak atm.

Joshua Morris
Joshua Morris

Liberalism is running rampant with "rent seeking." Liberals prefer to run an economy on an unsustainable and cannibalistic system of taking resources from working people and not using it to produce anything for individual working people to capitalize on.

This is why liberal animal owners would not let us have sex with animals unless we pay them for it. Liberals are soft on prostitution, drugs, and needless real estate investment, which offers no means of production to the people who must produce to pay these rents. This is what causes the gap between the wealthy and the poor and there is no fluidity of the economic classes.

This is why people won't let me have sex with farm animals. Their previous liberal agenda of overcharging consumers for food, since food does not create capital for regular people…not everybody can own a restaurant and profit because if everybody owned a restaurant everybody would still eat their own food… The consumers gave all their capital away for food that provided them with no capital in return. This drove down food prices and required farmers to be subsidized by the government because nobody could afford food when all their money was already spent on it.

Liberal practices are a threat to national security. If everything is capitalized on and nothing is offered for free, this country will cease being a free a country.

Tyler Anderson
Tyler Anderson

This is the market must not be free. In a truly free society, the people are free but the market is not. The market is not human and must not share the same human rights as people.

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

wtf is wokescolds?
there was a point where we had 1800 ISPs, more than triple.

Leo Gonzalez
Leo Gonzalez

this universe is fake and gay so idc.

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

Adding to this to be more specific… The market must not be allowed to do whatever it wants so people must not be allowed to sell whatever they want, otherwise people would choose to sell services that did not cost them even a penny to produce. An infinite source of capital for a rent seeker who provides nothing back in return is an ecobonony killing monopoly.

Austin Miller
Austin Miller

wtf is wokescolds?
Woke call-out obsessed faggots.
yikes
do better
who hurt you?
etc.

Justin Lewis
Justin Lewis

bougie stuff like dengism
retard

Jackson Perez
Jackson Perez

oh so I guess I'm wokescold then. nice.

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

rekt

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

I'm glad I saw leftypol before the liberal invasion. It will have a special place in my heart, rip

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

I'm that guy, and I'm not seeing how he is getting rekt. We both have our valid points that the shutdown is being overestimated, I still think it has an influence on how much people trust the government (IE even less so than usual).

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

Yes we've always had a contingent of retards who insist on posting here despite it being anathema to their worldview so they can tell other people they post here and seem edgy.

Kevin Reed
Kevin Reed

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016?

Not at all. Our memes and infographs trickle down to leftbook and twitter but thats the only real influence I've seen.

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

b-but people aren't getting paid
Me: most people are paid in advance and shutdowns don't last that long
(further reinforcing my point)

Jaxson Martinez
Jaxson Martinez

most people are paid in advance
Source?

Adam Wilson
Adam Wilson

look it up dumbass

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

The shutdown could save a lot of money. Private companies who have an excess of unused cash could donate fund to temporarily hire those government workers affected by by shutdown as a hedge against their loss. They would still do their same job only under temporary source of wages by redistribution.

David Hughes
David Hughes

Perhaps even public companies in good financial health with excess cash

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-continues-federal-workers-struggle-to-get-by/

abc.net.au/news/2019-01-10/donald-trump-government-shutdown-means-workers-going-without-pay/10704900

reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-lawsuit/air-traffic-controllers-union-sues-over-unpaid-work-during-government-shutdown-idUSKCN1P524Z
Source your own claims dumbass.

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

Private companies could pay for anything that can be paid for with money when you have a really big think about it.

Christian Gonzalez
Christian Gonzalez

They can't pay for just anything if they don't support the shutdown. The people who support a shutdown are more likely to keep their excess cash rather than using it to hedge against the shutdown.

Wyatt Rivera
Wyatt Rivera

radicalise libs
Fuck the libs. Radicalise the disaffected and disengaged "apolitical" people.

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

This tbh, libs bring all their baggage and cancer and they never lose their smug arrogance so they force it all upon everyone else.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

What ended up hapening to the left becoming so full of bougie stuff like dengism
Contrarianism. A common talking point in American politics is the growth of China as a competing world power, so all of the Western radlib LARPer children became Dengoids just for the sake of an anti-capitalist position.

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

implying this board didn't used to be full of leftcoms

Brody Flores
Brody Flores

It's more amusing coming from a Maoist because Maoist flag posters used to be incredibly rare.

Juan Thomas
Juan Thomas

This is what happens when you completely forgo staying grounded in reality and your perception of politics is based on extremely online retards. Liberalism is on the way out, Zig Forums is literally irrelevant and it was irrelevant at its peak too.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Yeah, but LP at least used to be less irrelevant.

Why can't we have that again?

Camden Cooper
Camden Cooper

Zig Forums is literally irrelevant and it was irrelevant at its peak too.
left wing political spaces now full of leftypol memes and concepts
irrelevant
How to spot the anarkid mad as fuck his idpol is slowly getting put out to pasture.

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

disaffected and disengaged "apolitical" people
they're implicitly liberals too

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

what left wing political spaces?

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

Yeah, I also see Zig Forums memes on various social media sites. They're still irrelevant. Stop living your life online.

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

Zig Forums itself isn't as popular as it used to be
This means that Zig Forums has never had any actual influence at all.
To be fair I believe that ChapoTrapHouse might've had a bit more of an influence than us, but I don't think that we're irrelevant. It is also pretty funny that an anarchist would say shit like this too, since they were barely relevant at one point in history and got BTFO by literally everything else that existed.

Luis Anderson
Luis Anderson

r/stupidpol, wider reddit, twitter, I assume leftbook. The foundations set from leftypol have been good to get writers like Adolph Reed more wider circulation, and hopefully when SHTF in the USA people will know of the existence of answers to their failings. It's not much but the board has actually set out what it intended to do: To make a case against identity politics on the left.

Isn't the only place anarchism is relevant in the English speaking world is as an arm of the Democrat party?

ChapoTrapHouse fell to radical liberalism and never actually produced anything influential though, they may have a wider audience but as there was never really anything all that transgressive about them they didn't really change anything from start to finish, except maybe make faggots with personality disorders on twitter a bit more rude.

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

What’s your beef with anarchist dude, stop being sectarian
Anyway, the thing with leftypol aglos (like you) is that that they think every party in the western world is their local chapter of the Democrat Cops of America
Most serious Marxists in the west tend to follow the line of their support
Most parties hold a good stance towards idpol, some are even idpoled to the right
Of course most comrades are not edgy memers so they could not dominated the internet,so some leftypol memes got popular(striner mainly) but the anti-idpol left always existed and are the people that create leftist memes now(outside of leftypol)

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

Liberals keep winning because of the amount of infighting the left has. I don't know if reactionaries have this issue, but it seems like even the more moderate conservatives are willing to side with literal nazis.

There was a good cartoon image around here somewhere where it visualized this infighting between Trots and Stalinists, anarchists and authoritarians, etc.

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016?
No,Zig Forums was very underground and somewhat attention-grabbing but never influential

Jaxson Campbell
Jaxson Campbell

It's impossible to find anarchists not shitting on Marxists nowadays, that's my beef with them. On top of this they constantly come out of the woodwork supporting silly shit that's against their ideology, like the EU, or laws to control the internet against hate speech/cyberbullying. The ones that aren't like this are syndicalists, but they're never using the red and black.

Nolan Reed
Nolan Reed

We used to be more fun.

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Jayden Gray
Jayden Gray

or disgusting environmentalism
how can you be a commie and anti-industry

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

Enjoy your mass extinction.

Charles Allen
Charles Allen

Because capitalism makes the material basis for socialism possible, and socialism is necessary to put an end to the constant growth that threatens to destroy the world's ecosystems.

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

never forget that /r/socialism basically killed the ideology cat girls

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

moderator strike

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Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

Atrix89
use best wotch yer fukken step m8

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Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

im not anti-environment, but developing new and better industry is the best way to help the environment. environmentalism leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it's so anti-science and actually damages the environment more than it helps. why is environmentalism the main antagonist of nuclear energy? you can't reach space or clean the environment without developing productive forces

Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

So I see this stance repeated that liberals should be recruited over reactionaries because reactionaries are a "lost cause" or because of, supposedly, more points of agreement between leftists and liberals than leftists and reactionaries. I figured I'd offer my two cents and say that, coming from liberalism to reactionaryism, to communism, I think your best bet would honestly be recruiting from "reactionaries".

Liberals don't necessarily agree with Socialists and Communists "more", most modern liberals just want welfare state capitalism. FDR was a modern Bismark, and the New Deal existed in part to ensure that actual left wing projects would be undermined.

Even if they attend the same protests as you, and agree on the same points, liberalism is disgustingly individualistic, the problem extends to the system inasfar as the system can use more welfare policies, to them the problem at its root is primarily people, it's because "bad people" have the reigns of power, it's because of Trump having some moralistic "bad" ideas like racism and because he's "divisive"; Bernie Sanders is "bad" because he gave the "bad" people power.

Secular talk was discussing Richard Ojeda's strong union stance, something undeniably good in the current political climate, and he mentioned that Mr. Ojeda voted for "Trump" and that he finds such a thing "unforgivable" and assumes other voters would too. Ignoring that Richard Ojeda's vote was useless in the grand scheme of things, and ignoring that it's the worst kind of moralizing to hold someone responsible for past "sins" that amount to a worthless disagreement, the host showed that he still fundamentally thinks that the president, either red or blue, is so fundamentally distinct to be a real choice. Granted Trump is unique, in a good way in my opinion, for taking irrational decisions which weaken our hegemony abroad (I highly doubt Clinton would've withdrawn from Syria) but to delude oneself into thinking Clinton would've been any less pro-business and any less pro capital is ridiculous.

Reactionaries, though incorrect, for the most part grasp that there's a systemic problem with their environment. They look in the wrong area, they start focusing on demographics and idealist nonsense, but this is simply the fault of ignorance about materialism, not active malevolence. And when they adopt an ideology counter to the predominant liberal-democratic order, it's because they concede that radical problems in society require radical solutions.

The fault of the left, and the power of fascism, is that Fascists are much more willing to poach leftists, I think, then leftists are willing to poach fascists. This doesn't mean compromise, this doesn't mean trying to say "H-hey, the left can be nationalist too!" It means presenting Marx's argument and asking these people to drop the reactionary label and join us as fellow workers.

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Benjamin Young
Benjamin Young

w-we aren’t irrelevant, w-we have influence, I s-swear!

Jackson Allen
Jackson Allen

More successful than 90% of ideologies on the internet.

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Austin Gonzalez
Austin Gonzalez

Fuck you China.

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Grayson Scott
Grayson Scott

t. butthurt jap

Cameron Cruz
Cameron Cruz

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016?
heh.. ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
*breathes in*
AHHHAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHWOOOOWOHAA

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

honestly this
Zig Forums was always only for a fringe group of leftists, even at peak popularity the mainstream left (the likes of those on reddit and twitter) considered users here as "crypto nazis" or "brocialists".
and there was nothing wrong with this, the inherent nature of image boards coupled with the focus on theory instead of entryism, reformism (and other borderline liberal bullshit that's practised by a huge portion of the online left) created an environment that appealed to a small percantage of leftists.

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Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

leftcoms
Except there used to be way more of them before that point you fucking spastic. Same with anarchists.

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

Chapo Brap House
Also irrelevant.

I'm not even an anglo but
arm of the Democrat party
le soros antifa democrat communists xD

Is that Haruko from FLCL?

I don't know how to break you out of your delusion but Zig Forums supporting certain politicians who are gaining ground =/= /leftypol having real world influence

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

Ernst Thälmann worked with the Nazis to destroy the State, the problem he made was allow Hitler to become leader.

Benjamin Morgan
Benjamin Morgan

this tiny little corner of the internet that only emerged as a reaction against /pol/ shitposting is extremely relevant.

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

According to 4/pol/ we are everywhere.

Chase Young
Chase Young

it's fascinating, since you can't get to 8ch through google if you ask people what Zig Forums is they'll just say "the left wingers on /pol/". everyone is familiar with the word "Zig Forums' but they don't know what it actually is.
guess that's what happens when stormfront tries to recruit useful idiots who are literal NEETards

Jose White
Jose White

Oh, I wasn't trying to comment on the merits of recruiting from either. I was just saying that both options are fucking tedious and generally a slow-roll, hence the slow population growth/decline of the board.

Christian James
Christian James

A spectre is haunting the chans—the spectre of communism.

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

twitter, I assume leftbook
like what groups? I feel like on twitter I'm constantly surrounded by idpol

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

leftypol was a huge influence in world politics until ☭TANKIE☭s destroyed it

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

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