Rise of liberalism since 2016

Hey do you guys remenber how this board probably was the most influential place in the internet left in 2016? What ended up hapening to the left becoming so full of bougie stuff like dengism, leftcoms and rad-libs. Did we fail to properly show to people how Id-pol and liberalism is just a failed path that will lead to nowhere?

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no?

Leftypol used to be way biger back in ghe day my dude u cant deny this.

Mostly becouse all the liberals started comming to here after trump won asking themselfs what did they do to allow him to win.

there was nothing special about 2016 that increased liberalism

Keep telling yourself it's nothing to do with the two months of blatant wrecking in 2017 handing the narrative back over to the wokescolds this place was made to combat.

Zig Forums's anti idpol stance has been bleeding into various places. Wokescolds have a solid demographic, but I can't imagine them being able to hold much influence while at the same time having majority of young lads and women who would want to join the right when Trump is seen as the leader of the world's economic collapse.

what sort of fantasy land are you living in?

Presumably the same one everyone but you is in.

On the contrary, I think the daily 10 threads we have about "why the left is being destroyed by lib idpol" is making us look like as big of a joke as the online right.
Also this place has like what? 2k users at most? Hardly "the most influential place in the internet left"
I think the biggest problem the online left has, is that instead of radicalizing libs we delude ourselves into thinking that we either need the dumbest reactionaries who won't budge left anyway, or that all reactionaries are slay kween, hillary/beto "capitalism is cool" types. If we continue to gatekeep potential leftist it's obvious that the politically illiterate will just choose to hang out with shitty online reactionaries instead of the overtly puritan lefties.

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I'm primarily talking about the US, which is I believe where most of Zig Forums's traffic comes from. All I can be certain on political topics is admittedly domestic to the US. Trump is seen by most people to be the one who is responsible for the US government closing down some of their functionaries. The only people who truly support him are cynical midwesterners, idpol poisoned baby boomers, and the rich.

An ideological laughing stock of identity politics and redblack liberalism.

if you know anything about US politics shut downs are all for show

Well a lot of government workers in the US aren't getting paid at the very least.

That will preclude the majority of people. If a crash happens during the shutdown you can bet the anti-Trump brigade will blame it on him for so long it becomes an accepted fib.

Most government programs are funded months in advance. The would only stop getting paid if it carried on for months which shutdowns never do.

this is not likely

User count right is prety low yeah but it used to be double this back in the day tho. I woudent say we are the laughting stock for being so extremely anti idpol but rather becouse everybody just became extremely liberal in only 2 years after trump got in power.

When will this autistic Maoist stop making such shitty threads?

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lmao how have I not heard this before

"radicalizing libs" won't do they.

Libs can project their numbers more with astroturfing, ads, social media, actual media, ect. Commies are going it alone, so they naturally always look smaller, even if we have more actual members than online lib hangouts. On top of this we are a chan site, which itself is a fairly insular online culture which doesn't see a lot of new recruits coming aboard, and what recruits it does see is usually fucking boomers and aut-right types. Recruiting new actual leftists here is a chore because you would either have to acclimate them to chan culture, or convert the reactionaries that are already somewhat prominent in chans. That plus the split bullshit and it's pretty easy to see why Zig Forums is fairly weak atm.

Liberalism is running rampant with "rent seeking." Liberals prefer to run an economy on an unsustainable and cannibalistic system of taking resources from working people and not using it to produce anything for individual working people to capitalize on.

This is why liberal animal owners would not let us have sex with animals unless we pay them for it. Liberals are soft on prostitution, drugs, and needless real estate investment, which offers no means of production to the people who must produce to pay these rents. This is what causes the gap between the wealthy and the poor and there is no fluidity of the economic classes.

This is why people won't let me have sex with farm animals. Their previous liberal agenda of overcharging consumers for food, since food does not create capital for regular people…not everybody can own a restaurant and profit because if everybody owned a restaurant everybody would still eat their own food… The consumers gave all their capital away for food that provided them with no capital in return. This drove down food prices and required farmers to be subsidized by the government because nobody could afford food when all their money was already spent on it.

Liberal practices are a threat to national security. If everything is capitalized on and nothing is offered for free, this country will cease being a free a country.

This is the market must not be free. In a truly free society, the people are free but the market is not. The market is not human and must not share the same human rights as people.

wtf is wokescolds?

there was a point where we had 1800 ISPs, more than triple.

this universe is fake and gay so idc.

Adding to this to be more specific… The market must not be allowed to do whatever it wants so people must not be allowed to sell whatever they want, otherwise people would choose to sell services that did not cost them even a penny to produce. An infinite source of capital for a rent seeker who provides nothing back in return is an ecobonony killing monopoly.

Woke call-out obsessed faggots.
etc.

retard

oh so I guess I'm wokescold then. nice.

rekt

I'm glad I saw leftypol before the liberal invasion. It will have a special place in my heart, rip

I'm that guy, and I'm not seeing how he is getting rekt. We both have our valid points that the shutdown is being overestimated, I still think it has an influence on how much people trust the government (IE even less so than usual).

Yes we've always had a contingent of retards who insist on posting here despite it being anathema to their worldview so they can tell other people they post here and seem edgy.

Not at all. Our memes and infographs trickle down to leftbook and twitter but thats the only real influence I've seen.

Me: most people are paid in advance and shutdowns don't last that long
(further reinforcing my point)

Source?

look it up dumbass

The shutdown could save a lot of money. Private companies who have an excess of unused cash could donate fund to temporarily hire those government workers affected by by shutdown as a hedge against their loss. They would still do their same job only under temporary source of wages by redistribution.

Perhaps even public companies in good financial health with excess cash

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abc.net.au/news/2019-01-10/donald-trump-government-shutdown-means-workers-going-without-pay/10704900

reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-lawsuit/air-traffic-controllers-union-sues-over-unpaid-work-during-government-shutdown-idUSKCN1P524Z
Source your own claims dumbass.

Private companies could pay for anything that can be paid for with money when you have a really big think about it.

They can't pay for just anything if they don't support the shutdown. The people who support a shutdown are more likely to keep their excess cash rather than using it to hedge against the shutdown.

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Fuck the libs. Radicalise the disaffected and disengaged "apolitical" people.

This tbh, libs bring all their baggage and cancer and they never lose their smug arrogance so they force it all upon everyone else.

Contrarianism. A common talking point in American politics is the growth of China as a competing world power, so all of the Western radlib LARPer children became Dengoids just for the sake of an anti-capitalist position.

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It's more amusing coming from a Maoist because Maoist flag posters used to be incredibly rare.

This is what happens when you completely forgo staying grounded in reality and your perception of politics is based on extremely online retards. Liberalism is on the way out, Zig Forums is literally irrelevant and it was irrelevant at its peak too.

Yeah, but LP at least used to be less irrelevant.

Why can't we have that again?

How to spot the anarkid mad as fuck his idpol is slowly getting put out to pasture.

they're implicitly liberals too

what left wing political spaces?

Yeah, I also see Zig Forums memes on various social media sites. They're still irrelevant. Stop living your life online.

To be fair I believe that ChapoTrapHouse might've had a bit more of an influence than us, but I don't think that we're irrelevant. It is also pretty funny that an anarchist would say shit like this too, since they were barely relevant at one point in history and got BTFO by literally everything else that existed.

r/stupidpol, wider reddit, twitter, I assume leftbook. The foundations set from leftypol have been good to get writers like Adolph Reed more wider circulation, and hopefully when SHTF in the USA people will know of the existence of answers to their failings. It's not much but the board has actually set out what it intended to do: To make a case against identity politics on the left.


Isn't the only place anarchism is relevant in the English speaking world is as an arm of the Democrat party?


ChapoTrapHouse fell to radical liberalism and never actually produced anything influential though, they may have a wider audience but as there was never really anything all that transgressive about them they didn't really change anything from start to finish, except maybe make faggots with personality disorders on twitter a bit more rude.

What’s your beef with anarchist dude, stop being sectarian
Anyway, the thing with leftypol aglos (like you) is that that they think every party in the western world is their local chapter of the Democrat Cops of America
Most serious Marxists in the west tend to follow the line of their support
Most parties hold a good stance towards idpol, some are even idpoled to the right
Of course most comrades are not edgy memers so they could not dominated the internet,so some leftypol memes got popular(striner mainly) but the anti-idpol left always existed and are the people that create leftist memes now(outside of leftypol)

Liberals keep winning because of the amount of infighting the left has. I don't know if reactionaries have this issue, but it seems like even the more moderate conservatives are willing to side with literal nazis.

There was a good cartoon image around here somewhere where it visualized this infighting between Trots and Stalinists, anarchists and authoritarians, etc.

No,Zig Forums was very underground and somewhat attention-grabbing but never influential

It's impossible to find anarchists not shitting on Marxists nowadays, that's my beef with them. On top of this they constantly come out of the woodwork supporting silly shit that's against their ideology, like the EU, or laws to control the internet against hate speech/cyberbullying. The ones that aren't like this are syndicalists, but they're never using the red and black.

We used to be more fun.

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or disgusting environmentalism
how can you be a commie and anti-industry

Enjoy your mass extinction.

Because capitalism makes the material basis for socialism possible, and socialism is necessary to put an end to the constant growth that threatens to destroy the world's ecosystems.

never forget that /r/socialism basically killed the ideology cat girls

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use best wotch yer fukken step m8

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im not anti-environment, but developing new and better industry is the best way to help the environment. environmentalism leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it's so anti-science and actually damages the environment more than it helps. why is environmentalism the main antagonist of nuclear energy? you can't reach space or clean the environment without developing productive forces

So I see this stance repeated that liberals should be recruited over reactionaries because reactionaries are a "lost cause" or because of, supposedly, more points of agreement between leftists and liberals than leftists and reactionaries. I figured I'd offer my two cents and say that, coming from liberalism to reactionaryism, to communism, I think your best bet would honestly be recruiting from "reactionaries".

Liberals don't necessarily agree with Socialists and Communists "more", most modern liberals just want welfare state capitalism. FDR was a modern Bismark, and the New Deal existed in part to ensure that actual left wing projects would be undermined.

Even if they attend the same protests as you, and agree on the same points, liberalism is disgustingly individualistic, the problem extends to the system inasfar as the system can use more welfare policies, to them the problem at its root is primarily people, it's because "bad people" have the reigns of power, it's because of Trump having some moralistic "bad" ideas like racism and because he's "divisive"; Bernie Sanders is "bad" because he gave the "bad" people power.

Secular talk was discussing Richard Ojeda's strong union stance, something undeniably good in the current political climate, and he mentioned that Mr. Ojeda voted for "Trump" and that he finds such a thing "unforgivable" and assumes other voters would too. Ignoring that Richard Ojeda's vote was useless in the grand scheme of things, and ignoring that it's the worst kind of moralizing to hold someone responsible for past "sins" that amount to a worthless disagreement, the host showed that he still fundamentally thinks that the president, either red or blue, is so fundamentally distinct to be a real choice. Granted Trump is unique, in a good way in my opinion, for taking irrational decisions which weaken our hegemony abroad (I highly doubt Clinton would've withdrawn from Syria) but to delude oneself into thinking Clinton would've been any less pro-business and any less pro capital is ridiculous.

Reactionaries, though incorrect, for the most part grasp that there's a systemic problem with their environment. They look in the wrong area, they start focusing on demographics and idealist nonsense, but this is simply the fault of ignorance about materialism, not active malevolence. And when they adopt an ideology counter to the predominant liberal-democratic order, it's because they concede that radical problems in society require radical solutions.

The fault of the left, and the power of fascism, is that Fascists are much more willing to poach leftists, I think, then leftists are willing to poach fascists. This doesn't mean compromise, this doesn't mean trying to say "H-hey, the left can be nationalist too!" It means presenting Marx's argument and asking these people to drop the reactionary label and join us as fellow workers.

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More successful than 90% of ideologies on the internet.

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Fuck you China.

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t. butthurt jap

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honestly this
Zig Forums was always only for a fringe group of leftists, even at peak popularity the mainstream left (the likes of those on reddit and twitter) considered users here as "crypto nazis" or "brocialists".
and there was nothing wrong with this, the inherent nature of image boards coupled with the focus on theory instead of entryism, reformism (and other borderline liberal bullshit that's practised by a huge portion of the online left) created an environment that appealed to a small percantage of leftists.

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Except there used to be way more of them before that point you fucking spastic. Same with anarchists.

Also irrelevant.


I'm not even an anglo but
le soros antifa democrat communists xD


Is that Haruko from FLCL?


I don't know how to break you out of your delusion but Zig Forums supporting certain politicians who are gaining ground =/= /leftypol having real world influence

Ernst Thälmann worked with the Nazis to destroy the State, the problem he made was allow Hitler to become leader.

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According to 4/pol/ we are everywhere.

it's fascinating, since you can't get to 8ch through google if you ask people what Zig Forums is they'll just say "the left wingers on Zig Forums". everyone is familiar with the word "Zig Forums' but they don't know what it actually is.
guess that's what happens when stormfront tries to recruit useful idiots who are literal NEETards

Oh, I wasn't trying to comment on the merits of recruiting from either. I was just saying that both options are fucking tedious and generally a slow-roll, hence the slow population growth/decline of the board.

A spectre is haunting the chans—the spectre of communism.

like what groups? I feel like on twitter I'm constantly surrounded by idpol

leftypol was a huge influence in world politics until ☭TANKIE☭s destroyed it

We saved it