Black Panther Party Thread

Jacob Brooks
Jacob Brooks

Were they the best American Marxist-Leninist group?

influenced by Marx, Lenin, Mao and Fanon
patrolled the police by open-carrying
actually helped working people by providing free breakfasts and healthcare to their communities
seen as the number one threat to US national security in its time
didn't fall into supremacist / idpol deviations while still elevating blacks and accepting many women into its ranks

Are any of their tactics still relevant or usable today? I'm especially attracted to their militancy and have had a few discussions with IRL friends about their tactics who are similarly attracted.

The Ten-Point Program
marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm

Revolutionary Suicide
b-ok.cc/book/2514800/8ae73a

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youtube.com/watch?v=zxCGv9110E0&t=153s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party
marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm
iww.org/content/black-cats-bond-industrial-workers-world-and-new-afrikan-black-panther-party-–-prison-chapte

Lincoln Powell
Lincoln Powell

They were based. More modern groups need to open carry and actual take themselves seriously. We know it was effective because of the Panther Bill they tried to pass to stop (successfully) the Panthers from patrolling the cops in Oakland

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

I'd say that it's another left wing tragedy but there's really no other ending.

Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

No, CPUSA was.

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Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

patrolled the police by open-carrying
This just tickles my cholesterol riddled American heart.
God bless.

Hudson Davis
Hudson Davis

That's not how you spell Revolutionary Union

Camden Carter
Camden Carter

What makes you say that user? S-surely the proletariat will have the last laugh, right?

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

Hammer and Hoe sound like snuff-gore hentai comic

Jose Bennett
Jose Bennett

the communist movement in the agricultural south or the Socialist Party was probably more widespread but the black panthers absolutely had the ruling class shook like nothing else. they were terrified enough of the CPUSA to pass the new deal, so afraid of black commie sharecroppers to double down on police brutality, but the panthers had them so terrified they really pulled out EVERY tool at their disposal

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

Too fucking good for this world. Absolutely tragic. They had problems, of course, but that's because they were a real mass movement and certain misteps are inevitable. Sometimes I feel like the BPP and Rainbow Coalition were the US's last chance to foster a real socialist revolution and now we're just sliding steadily into fascist degradation.

Tell me about CPUSA, I'm a little familiar with the sharecroppers in the Black Belt. What happened to them? Were they stamped out or did the politics just not make it into the next generation?

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Colton Scott
Colton Scott

Socialist Party of America, they were pretty close to taking power. In fact they were so close to taking power that their members often said “Socialism isn’t coming to america, it’s practically already here, you can smell it in the air.”
Burgers spell English differently. Ex: Labor vs. Labour
Sometimes I feel like the BPP and Rainbow Coalition were the US's last chance to foster a real socialist revolution and now we're just sliding steadily into fascist degradation.
Anytime theirs a market crash there’s an opportunity for revolution.

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Jose Price
Jose Price

Anytime theirs a market crash there’s an opportunity for revolution.

This does not contradict what I said at all. If there is no infrastructure or support for revolution the conditions that make it possible will be seized by reactionaries, and reactionaries are very strong in the US while a real left may as well be nonexistent.

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

They were definitely the model for how American socialists should operate.
actually studied theory
took actions to directly help the working class
firmly rejected idpol
materialist analysis/approach
not pussy radlibs, not afraid to arm themselves and confront the cops
well disciplined and well organized
badass image, not a bunch of bandy armed virgins
They should basically be the template for any serious socialist org in the first world.

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

Based and redpilled
Last non-idpol communist group in America

Aiden Johnson
Aiden Johnson

CPUSA used to be so fucking based. They utilized the great depression, and formed unemployment councils that reached the thousands, and sang the Internationale outside of the fucking white house They're Bernie level shills now though. It hurts tbh

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

Socialist Party of America
this
De Leon > Lenin

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Levi Hughes
Levi Hughes

Debs was cool it's just that demsoc-ism in the U.S won't work due to the bourg being to powerful, and not willing to hand over power He also decried the iww for representing anarchy, so he could win votes, so im mad

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Grayson Roberts
Grayson Roberts

Forgot flag

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

How is De Leon any different from Lenin? There's still electoralism, and workers councils aren't any different from local syndicates

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

also different socialist party

Jackson Carter
Jackson Carter

Pretty much the only true mass communist party in US history. The RU was a promising start with a few thousand members in the mid-to-late 70s but it never came close to CPUSA's 100,000+ members and millions of sympathizers.

Although the CPUSA didn't openly carry guns at rallies they definitely weren't radlib pussies. While I was reading Kelley's book I lost track of all the times that CPUSA members got into shoot-outs with the Klan–many of them quite deadly. They would fight the police too if they had too since being a communist in Alabama in the 30s was more or less illegal for much of the decade. They did a lot of great work organizing steel and coal workers in Alabama my grandfather took part in a coal strike likely organized by them

They were militant fighters for civil rights long before the civil rights movement itself really got going in the 50s-60s. Most of the black writers you'll ever read in an American lit class (Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Richard Wright) was published in the party papers (ex. The New Masses), often starting up their careers.

They were mostly able to deal with idpol issues without sinking into the morass of radliberalism. They identified very closely with American revolutionary heroes such as Washington, Lincoln etc. and that made it easier for them to go against the anti-communist fervor of the time.

In the North they didn't get into as many violent struggles but they had more bourgeois democratic rights so they had far more street presence there. One interesting they did do there was they would wait for a foreclosure or a tenant getting kicked out of their apartment and once all their stuff had been moved outside of the pavement by court order they would move all their stuff back inside when the police weren't looking and then the cops would get frustrated and leave the tenant in peace.

I don't think its an exaggeration to say that the New Deal was a reaction to the party's influence and the CPUSA was the backbone of trade-union drive in the 30s that saw a a third of American workers join unions. I don't think it's a coincidence that when the AFL-CIO began kicking out CPUSA militants who had really built up the movement that the slow decline of America's unions began. Their efforts building domestic support for America's contribution to WWII, which was an anti-fascist war, is not to be underestimated either.

To answer your question they were stamped out brutally in the 50s (the whole HUAC/red scare debacle) but that wasn't the only reason for their decline. They had a major revisionist wind in the party (ex. Bowderism) before the crack-down and the infiltration of the party but Khrushchev's secret speech was really the nail in the coffin. I have my doubts about the black nation thesis but it was understandable given the times

Pretty much all the party militants left the party and the FBI even set-up fake anti-revisionist parties to undermine both the existing CPUSA and the attempts to refound the party. All of the history of American communism post-1956 is the story of attempting to refound the CPUSA, whether the protagonists were aware of this fact or not. Nobody has succeeded yet.

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Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

Pretty much the only true mass communist party in US history. The RU was a promising start with a few thousand members in the mid-to-late 70s but it never came close to CPUSA's 100,000+ members and millions of sympathizers.

Although the CPUSA didn't openly carry guns at rallies they definitely weren't radlib pussies. While I was reading Kelley's book I lost track of all the times that CPUSA members got into shoot-outs with the Klan–many of them quite deadly. They would fight the police too if they had too since being a communist in Alabama in the 30s was more or less illegal for much of the decade. They did a lot of great work organizing steel and coal workers in Alabama my grandfather took part in a coal strike likely organized by them

They were militant fighters for civil rights long before the civil rights movement itself really got going in the 50s-60s. Most of the black writers you'll ever read in an American lit class (Baldwin, Langston Hughes, Richard Wright) was published in the party papers (ex. The New Masses), often starting up their careers.

They were mostly able to deal with idpol issues without sinking into the morass of radliberalism. They identified very closely with American revolutionary heroes such as Washington, Lincoln etc. and that made it easier for them to go against the anti-communist fervor of the time. I think it was also important for helping the American proletariat under standing where they are in history and where things might go from here.

In the North they didn't get into as many violent struggles but they had more bourgeois democratic rights so they had far more street presence there. One interesting they did do there was they would wait for a foreclosure or a tenant getting kicked out of their apartment and once all their stuff had been moved outside of the pavement by court order they would move all their stuff back inside when the police weren't looking and then the cops would get frustrated and leave the tenant in peace.

I don't think its an exaggeration to say that the New Deal was a reaction to the party's influence and the CPUSA was the backbone of trade-union drive in the 30s that saw a a third of American workers join unions. I don't think it's a coincidence that when the AFL-CIO began kicking out CPUSA militants who had really built up the movement that the slow decline of America's unions began. Their efforts building domestic support for America's contribution to WWII, which was an anti-fascist war, is not to be underestimated either.

To answer your question they were stamped out brutally in the 50s (the whole HUAC/red scare debacle) but that wasn't the only reason for their decline. They had a major revisionist wind in the party (ex. Bowderism) before the crack-down and the infiltration of the party but Khrushchev's secret speech was really the nail in the coffin. I also have my doubts about the black nation thesis but it was understandable given the times and at least a more coherent way to deal with the problem then just shouting "stop being racist!"

Pretty much all the party militants left the party and the FBI even set-up fake anti-revisionist parties to undermine both the existing CPUSA and the attempts to refound the party. All of the history of American communism post-1956 is the story of attempting to refound the CPUSA, whether the protagonists were aware of this fact or not. Nobody has succeeded yet.

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Hunter Ward
Hunter Ward

Jason Unruhe on the CPISA
youtube.com/watch?v=zxCGv9110E0&t=153s

Ryder Perez
Ryder Perez

Were they the best American Marxist-Leninist group?

By fucking leagues and miles

Henry Flores
Henry Flores

The black panther party was a spy op to give the government a reason to put fear in the average American there by giving an excuse to persecute black people. Totally a scam and divided the movement.
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Jacob Long
Jacob Long

obama is a socdem

lol not even close

He didn't even PRETEND to be a socdem like Bernie or AOC. He was flat out neoliberal.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Learn history, retard. Declassified FBI documents labeled the Panthers as THE number one threat to national security in the late 60s ans 70s and operated COINTELPRO against them relentlessly for daring to stand up against the racist American government and the cops terrorizing their communities and making them into second-class citizens. The Panthers and people like Huey Newton and Bobby Seale were heroes, fuck you for thinking that having a spine against the police and providing free food, legal advice and healthcare assistance is “muh spy op”. Just look at what J. Edgar Hoover said about preventing a “black messiah”

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Blake Smith
Blake Smith

White people are incapable of achieving communism. Genetic pre-disposition to take other people's shit.

The future is black and Marxist.

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

Great post, thanks for the info user

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

I know nothing about the Panthers: the post
READ REVOLUTIONARY SUICIDE
UPHOLD NEWTONIST THOUGHT

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Lincoln Ramirez
Lincoln Ramirez

spy op

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Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

I'm curious why was there a White Panthers instead of having white people part of Black Panthers?

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

It was started in response to an interview where Huey P. Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, was asked what white people could do to support the Black Panthers. Newton replied that they could form a White Panther Party.

Samuel Bell
Samuel Bell

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

I live in Oakland, and one thing I've noticed is that the panthers are still very popular here to this day even among white liberals

Joshua Sanchez
Joshua Sanchez

The Panthers were first and foremost for helping black communities. Read their ten-point program

marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/1966/10/15.htm

Zachary Murphy
Zachary Murphy

Revolutionary Suicide
I remember this hilarious exchange that occurred between Newton and Jim Jones in Havana during some meeting of American radicals being held there or some shit that Ismail talked about

Basically Newton and Jones got into an arguement about just what "Revolutionary Suicide" should mean
Newtons view obviously boiled down to basically the will to die for your beliefs while Jones went on some apeshit tangent about how it means to literally kill yourself as a form of protest against capitalism and its excess's
Some examples of this he gave was the Self-Immolation of Buddhists in Vietnam shaping the US opinion on the Vietnam war

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

I think its agreed upon that the BPP were the pinnacle of American Marxism-Leninism.

The better question is why something like the BPP doesn't exist today. It's just hard to believe that not a single so-called leftist organization doesn't follow something similar to the Ten-Point Program. Especially with how successful it was in terms of direct action. Scared the shit out of porky with how successful it was. I'm a huge advocate of stuff like the ten-point program because it gets everyone involved within the community.

I've always had this dream of starting an inner-city community center that would provide services similar to a church (food bank program, soup kitchen, school, etc.) but instead of preaching gospel, would instead educate people on Marxism-Leninism.

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Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

There is the New Afrikan Black Panthers who are anti idpol despite the name. They began in prison, organizing prison strikes and such and their presence on the outside is fairly limited. However their line on pretty much everything is pretty damn good, and they are easily the closest thing to a genuine successor of the BPP.

Lucas Hill
Lucas Hill

I've always had this dream of starting an inner-city community center that would provide services similar to a church (food bank program, soup kitchen, school, etc.) but instead of preaching gospel, would instead educate people on Marxism-Leninism.
I have a black friend like this who likes the Panthers and expresses similar sentiments but he’s kinda stuck in a place where he recognizes capitalism is bad but the way to fix it in his mind is reform and regulation over socialism. He hasn’t read Marx or Lenin yet though. I hope he does someday though I’d help him if he tried to take steps to do anything similar to what the Panthers did.

Josiah Turner
Josiah Turner

influenced by Marx, Lenin, Mao and Fanon
and Kim Il Sung

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Carson Sullivan
Carson Sullivan

It can't be a coincidence that all of the best communist groups have been influenced by Juche.

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Ian Robinson
Ian Robinson

iww.org/content/black-cats-bond-industrial-workers-world-and-new-afrikan-black-panther-party-–-prison-chapte
The IWW's picked up some experience (props to ☭TANKIE☭s) from them, and that helped them get into the International Confederation of Labor.
Getting rid of the wrecker, equity committee, would make me erect tbh

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