Since I'm so blessed to go on a study exchange to South Africa for a few months this year, I was wondering if there are any South Africans or others who can provide me with information on Zig Forums. I'd like to get involved with a communist party during the time I will be there, but which one? SACP seems shitty and revisionist, but still seems preferable to EFF (whom I'd surely join out of curiosity if I wasn't too afraid to get lynched alive for being a wh*toid). Other parties are mostly sectarian memes. Any advice?
How welcoming is SA to leftism generally? I heard whites tend to be conservative and most leftists are to be found among the other ethnicities, which seems natural seeing as Apartheid is economically speaking still as much a thing as it was in the 70s or 80s. Would I be regarded with distrust by other leftists for being white and left-wing?
Finally, are there any significant left-wing events, meetings, venues, groups or whatever in SA that I should be aware of?
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Learn afrikaans and speak to afrikaans kommunisten
Anglos are retarded and the EFF is idpol af.
I speak Dutch (am Belgian) so that's surely an option. But what group is that? Googling "afrikaans kommunisten" doesn't help.
Tbh bok anti-imperialism should be based on the Boer wars, we really kinda fucked them up.
Doesn't excuse apartheid but yeah.
Disclaimer, this is just my opinion.
The problem with South Africa is that it has fallen into ethno-nationalism as a backlash result of the aparatheid. This also is added by the behaviour of some richer white people today, who poach animals in Africa. This often becomes misdirected violence at unrelated people whose only crime is being the same race as their former oppressors. As a result white people do genuinely get discriminated in many places there, and the country has corrupted in a similar manner to China. I do hope this changes and they get back to focusing on socialism more.
Yeah I'm aware of this far-going ethnic division in all of SA politics and society. I'm afraid things will most likely stay that way for the foreseeable future, especially if the political status quo continues. That's exactly why I'm wondering what's a good socialist party in the country, if any, that isn't organized primarily along ethnic lines.
Could you explain the analogy
South Africa had a level of Government/economy second to USSR and then Mandela privatized it.
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It's a part of of the ruling coalition so it might not be the best honestly
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Entryist anarcho- syndicalist org that's looking pretty based to me
I know, that's exactly what makes me distrust it, it also frequently doesn't disagree with ANC too much from what i know. Seems completely co-opted by the bourgeoisie.
would check it out but "members are expected to be committed, convinced anarchist communist militants" which I'm not
The SACP remains in a coalition with the ANC in effect with the EFF and remain Marxist
The EFF also holds many Marxist elements within them
One of (They have two) of the South African trade union congress(s) has many Marxist elements within it
Any of these would be good options for a Marxist
Eiteher of these would be good places to check out for
Malema is an opportunist champagne socialist:
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Well that's actually a good suggestion, is it COSATU you mean? or another one?
Are you saying the SACP remains Marxist? I have my doubts
Nvm i found it, it's NUMSA. Thanks for the appreciated info although I'm not sure I can do a lot to help their cause as a student.
South Africa's current president is/was associated with that union by the public if I recall correctly TFW these bourgie unions use our mottos
Honestly the more I try to look up about South African politics the more I get confused by how everybody seems to be LARPing as something they're not. This trade union is an example, also I just found a student's org called SASCO that calls themselves "Marxist-Leninist", but in some of their social media communications they just seem to support ANC(???). What the fuck is the deal with political parties and orgs in SA? Almost seems like the country is full of neoliberals openly masquerading as Marxists.
And now you know why left-neoliberals like Obama worship it
What makes you say so?
There are wypipo in the EFF
Well there's the fact that they have been part of the ruling coalition of a capitalist state for decades. They are also often quick to agree with any decision the ANC makes from what I've heard. Also, back in 2012 when the South African police massacred striking miners (the Marikana massacre) SACP officials blamed the trade union rather than attacking corporate elites or pointing at the fact the state clearly sided with the bourgeoisie against the working class: iol.co.za
I can't see a whole lot of revolutionary sentiment in their politics to say the least.
Could be. It still seems like a completely identitarian LARPish party. Emphasizing so heavily on racial identity doesn't seem like orthodox marxism to me.
So if you get into parliament you're still "larping"? Kill yourself, fag
If you make constant hints at literally genociding whites, "LARPing" is a pretty benign way to describe your politics.
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Fuck off Zig Forums
I'm not saying the wh.ite genocide meme is real but that's quite literally what EFF is openly advocating for, dude.
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killing the boer is class war
tfw literally have white workers in the 1920s rise up in spontaneous "red guards" but they go around killing black innocents and call for a white south afrika
tfw leftypol tells you it doesnt sound like "orthodox marxism" when you acknowledge this as a political fact
tfw its just idpol fantasy
They seem pretty based
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Lmao eat a watermelon or something. You aren’t living his life. He doesn’t care about you. He would probably hate your attitude and knock you out cold after you screech about ‘muh BBC’. Fix your own life first, then talk. Go on about it like this:
If you’re too much of a bitch unironically neck yourself.
Tada, first step done.