The holohoax

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However, the burden of proof is on the people who claim that it did happen.

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you're welcome
every single one of your "debunks" debunked

Ok, if the burden of proof is on me I present all the thousands of mainstream books and documentaries on the subject that contain innumerable proofs. What more do you want?

If you really want me to rebutt your mal-understandings then present a SPECIFIC claim about one thing, with evidence, you can't just say something so broad as 'I've seen photos that prove it didn't happen'.

Go on then.
Using the same strawman again, tsk tsk.

the holocaust did happened but it was:
Short Holocaust Q&A:

Q. Were Jews put in concentration camps during WWII? A. Yes

Q. Were Jews put in gas chambers? A. No

Q. Were Jews tattooed and forced to work as slave labor? A. Yes

Q. Did six million die? A. No

Q. Did Jews suffer during WWII? A. Yes

Q. Who else suffered during WWII? A. Everyone. Jews did not corner the market on suffering.

and why cant we have open debates about the holocaust in mostly europe today?

lmgtfy.com/?q=the holocaust documentary

Based on what? There is clear evidence of gas chambers, both physical and in Nazi records

Why?

Because there is no debate, you are just wrong, there's no point going over the Nazi propaganda over and over.

This user knows what’s up.

samefag

Why do you want me to rewrite 75 years of scholarship in my own words? The arguments are too numerous for me to make here. Literally just go read a book or even watch some shit on TV.

Why are you do dishonest?

Hitler openly discussed extermination of the jews even before ww2. It would be really out of the character for Hitler to not mass murder jews when he had power to do so.

But alright, if you really want a personal recommendation, I suggest you watch 'The World at War', but since that's a little long and broad I would advise you watch this video series:

youtube.com/watch?v=w68gDfCbyBA

Since it tackles the typical denialist claims.

Alright, I’ll go watch it when I have time, thanks. And that other user isn’t me, you can tell by the structure, punctuation and capitalisation.

I don't know why we would have two denier anons on this board so idk, I admit it's not impossible though.

Fair enough, enjoy, I think the guy's style is pretty good.

there was no nazi records of gas chambers. the gas used to gas the jews zyklon b was used to disinfect clothes. the so call gas chambers which were bathrooms for the jews was exposed. you could easily see from where the jews were detained

World Jewish population 1933 – 15,315,000.

World Jewish population 1948 – 15,753,000.

Where’s the six million drop in the 1948 statistics?

why do they get jail time for discussing it though

sry for bad english

I would like you then to explain how can there be such precise coordination between hundreds of Holocaust survivors about what happened. I would also like you to explain why did they fake it then.

Please, no links. Just explain here.

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all adressed and debunked
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youtube.com/watch?v=I7bIUYwclGE
here a 1 min video

You should watch that series I recommended also, but to address a little, yes Zyklon B can be used for delousing clothes and it was in some cases but it's also effective at killing human beings at much lower concentrations and was put to that purpose as well.

how

simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm

source claims Jewish population in 1945 was 11 million (and there was probably some population growth between 1933 and 1941~ish)

Because it's dangerous to society to allow Nazi beliefs to run rampant

Do you really expect them to read?

Eye witness testimony is quite unreliable which is why we don't need to rely on it, the physical evidence and records are better.

Why is it illegal in many countries to disagree with the 6 million number? I don’t get it. If it were true, then no one would need to pass a law that puts people in prison for being a historical revisionist, right?

Because it's dangerous to society to allow Nazi beliefs to run rampant

that video doesn't answer anything

Ebin

Careful now user, daddy is watching

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If someone is trying to sweep millions of deaths under the rug (not even just Jews, we shouldn’t forget homosexuals, gypsies, etc) as a “Jewish lie” they should be punished

Sort of funny how Nazis claim the Jews are trying to make the holocaust all about themselves yet never bring up the existence of the millions of non Jewish victims at all when they deny it

The same reason it's illegal to deny alleged Soviet crimes in Poland and Ukraine

I’m sorry but I fail to see the logic. How is it dangerous for some people to believe less people died in a war? That would be a good thing. A big part of the argument in favor of the 6 million number is that there is no evidence because it was reduced to ash and spread around.

Lol, you only believe this because you're susceptible to far right propaganda, the danger it poses should be obvious you you.

you do realize no one is saying 6 million jews were gassed and cremated?
The total number of deaths comes from overall during the war. It doesn't matter if they died in a concentration camp or hiding in a forest or killed themselves on the Spanish boarder, it all stemmed from the same persecution.

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This is your brain on fascist propaganda

"Ah fuck it I can't be bothered to look through all these mass graves"
"Meh just put down 6 million, nobody will check it, I wanna get the beers in tonight"

I don’t think anyone should be punished for their beliefs about a historical event. That’s very cruel.

They certainly didn’t recover the remains of all the victims. You are the one trusting nazi documents in order to form your opinion. I’m just not sure about it so you want to blow my brains out or something?

If 6 millions were jews, where are those who were not jews?

IIRC 6-8 million were homos, gyps, useless eaters, and other degenerates.

checked. this guy is a jew so he is untrustworthy

He's not though and even if he was it wouldn't make his arguments wrong.

so the Nazis killed 13million civilians in the USSR but drew the line with 6 million Jews?

Stop being such a fool. You can be a Nazi and not deny history.

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They had been sqwarking '6 million' for almost a hundred years before the supposed holocaust.

Plus it's in the fucking Torah and part of Jewish prophecy that the Jews go back to Isreal minus 6 million.

I dated a based af Jew for 4 months years ago. Hated her Rabbi father, family disowned her. She didn't believe in the holocaust when I still did. It was the prophecy that made her question it all.

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Look at the bottom articles. You say they were just guessing the Jewish population to be around 6 million as they had no means of conducting a proper population survey (even though there were exhaustive populations surveys at the time).

But even if there were no exhaustive surveys, had did these articles come to the 'only 1,500,000 Jews left number? Just random guessing on no available data?

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In William L.Shirers 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich', he makes the claim in his introduction that 'almost all of the documentary material became available at it's (The Reichs) fall' and 'Never before, I believe, has such a vast treasure fallen into the hands of contemporary historians.'

Shirer admits, and indeed boasts, all through the book, that the Not Socialist regime were the most fastidious ever seen in contemporary history, documenting every last little thing.

Funny then, that not a single document of Hitler signing away the Deaths of the jews or anything else of the sort. For a fastidious peoples, why would it make sense that they ignored the extermination of the Jews only? Pretty fucking coincidental eh.

Because the Jews wanted to make criticism of their future crimes illegal. If I wanted subvert a story for my gain, I would make it so that nobody could criticise me without punishment.

There is a very good book called 'Allied Wartime Diplomacy'. in this book, it clearly demonstrates how the Allies were in collusion with the Soviets and that Poland was promised to the Soviets too. When Hitler took Poland they declared war because Poland had been agreed to be given to the Soviets.

It's all in there.. It isn't a revisionist book either. Realesed not long after the war to showacse the wonders of the Allies.

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Yeah and not a single document signed by Hitler about ANY mass genocide.
They didn't document or sign off on burning down whole towns in the USSR.
The SS was given specific charge of exterminating the Jews - there's plenty of paperwork about the logistics and so forth.

As if Hitler was ever going to sign a piece of paper saying "I here by order the extermination of the Jewish people". They might kept good records of state activity but jesus christ doing something like leaving a signed confession? That's retarded and of course there isnt anything like that.

But being dumb enough to actually do it is believable?

You know the Soviets took half of Poland right?

Of course I do. It was promised to the Soviets.

Also, see pic related. The Allies had to be sympathetic to the Soviets. They had no choice. They were explicity given orders to distract attention from the soviets and place it elsewhere.

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You know the Nazis promised them half of Poland not the Allies. This was part of the Ribbentrop pact. The Allies didn't declare war because the Soviet Union annexxed it's half once the Nazis had beaten the Polish army.

The western allies only reluctantly gave the USSR the eastern bloc once they'd beaten the bulk of German armed forces.
The Western Allies and The USSR shared a common enemy once the Germans betrayed the non aggression pact.

You don't even know basic history of this time period.

You don't even know the basics.

Furthermore the Allies were not sympathetic. They let the USSR lose 25 million people before opening up a second front as late as they possibly could. When the USSR had already disabled the bulk of the German armed forces.

The idea that the Soviets would of played along is absurd. They found the same evidence independently. They interogatted and investigated independently.

You're just wrong and you should actually read some books/records about the war.
Stalin wasn't fond of jews anyway. Like he'd go along with some silly story for the west. Especially when they'd lost more Russian civillians than Jews to the Nazis. It doesn't make sense.

Based on what? The Ribbontrop pact was broken.

Why was the common enemy not considered the Soviets? It clearly states in the above pic the alles knew what the Red Army was doing in the 20's, but didn't do a damn thing. That the Soviets could get away with their atrocities and the Allies turn a blind eye and yet decide to take action when Hitler rose should tell you everything you need to know.

you're making assumptions that I don't know anything about that time period, yet here you are coming out with the most basic secondary school understanding of the war.

The whole point of the Soviets was to cull their population. As if Stalin gave shit about his population lol. Lysenkoism was basically a manmade cancer to the Russians.

Stalin sat in on the Nuremberg trials too. Why would he do that if he didn't care about the west?

Let me guess, you think everything written about the soviets is just a conspiracy. like holodamor. Yet you can deny holodomor with zero consequence in modern society.

Yet dated a Jew:

jweekly.com/2007/09/27/did-stalin-have-a-jewish-wife-and-stepdaughter/

First of all it was only France and the UK who took action because the Nazis had already annexxed Austria and Czecheslovakia. Not only had they broken the treaty of versailles but an agreement signed with the French and English that they wouldn't take any more European states.

Then once France was occupied the British were mostly in favor of suing for peace. The only reason the war in Europe started was because Germany had become an existential threat. They didn't care what the USSR did because they weren't a threat. America didn't even consider joining until it was forced to.

That didn't stop them from hating the USSR. So you see the west wasn't even united until 1941. The British only went to war out of obligation to it's allies and its fear of Germany.

The idea that they were planning to make this up the whole time is just not compatibe with the history. Also 13 million civilians in the USSR were killed. They did the same thing - do you really think they drew the line at massacring jews? The Soviets were Subhuman slavs too - same motivation. The extermination of the Jews was just more difficult because they had to round them up.etc

Soviet Population increased by almost 50 million by 1953 despite WWII.
Thats because there isn't any evidence indicating that it was a planed genocide against the ukranians. Ukraine wasn't the only affected region
Btw nice reddit spacing faggot

Whether Stalin fucked a Jew or not doesn't matter - there's countless things he said, laws he enacted that expressed a distrust of Jews. He was no fan of Israel either.

I'm just gonna cut through any BS in this thread and tell you to read through this blog:
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
If you put in some effort to search for specific "Holocaust truther" claims into a search engine along with the blog's name you should be able to get responses. This has given me pretty solid results so far, I don't exactly go reading random articles or posts from their blog but rather do that when I encounter a specific claim.
One of the guys operating that blog is active on Twitter and you can DM him asking questions to which he'll often just link you an article in response (there seem to be few points they haven't encountered before, up to you to judge the quality of their responses to said points).

Look up SirAaronRichards on Imgur as well, and take a look at his Holocaust related content if you have time. Though the way his content is organized and reliability I've found to be somewhat lower in standard and accessibility than the source I mentioned before… CTRL+F doesn't properly work on his longer albums (at least for me), which is quite sad, considering how much content is on the longer ones. Wonder if there's a workaround for that.
I think if you read into it with these sources you will likely have a decent amount of your thoughts on the matter challenged and perhaps changed toward a position that's more informed with less overused "points", if not toward an outright anti-"denial" position.

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Anyway why would the boss of the largest concentration camp not only describe how the SS gave the secret orders, but how in intricate detail the process they went through in designing the camps, as well as the inital experiments of how to kill the jews finally leading them to use gas chambers after trial and error.
They wouldnt know half the details if the Nazis themselves hadn't told them. And if you think they somehow trained the commandants and the guards to make this all up then you're just fantasising. When Israel put Eichman on trial he confirmed his relationship with Rudolf Hoess and his position. Hoess even wrote memoirs. No Nazi involved denied it. You really think they would of publicly trialled people like Eichman if they had made it up? And risk him debunking the whole thing?

Do yourself a favor and stop deluding yourself.

No I'm not going to read some silly conspiracy ramblings. I may as well go read the "compelling" evidence of how they faked the moon landings.

How about you actually answer yourself?
I've pointed out how it couldn't of been faked now if you are so sure you should be able to answer these basic questions easily.

I've already read enough books on this topic. Do you deny that the Nazis systematically massacred 13million soviet civillians?

cbsd.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=29207&dataid=31237&FileName=Rudolf Hoss Memoirs.pdf

That's the memoirs of the Rudolf Hoss. At least consider what the guy who ran Auschwitz had to say. If you won't listen to me then at least listen to the fucking Nazis themselves.

The sources I'm referring to aren't denialist, I think you may have misunderstood my intention. I simply didn't read anything in the thread beyond OP's post. I'm just addressing OP, though I think the two sources I listed are formatted usefully for internet arguments.

My apologies I just skimmed over that and thought you were OP linking some bullshit.

Putting aside the to and fro for a second.

This always fasinated me

Just how did the Not Socialist round up over 6 million Jews? thing about the logistics of such an endevour for a second. You are fighting a war from all angles. You are under attack from the twin empires of the French and the British and also fending off the wall street funded Soviet communist. While all this is happening, the United States also joins in against you.

How do you find the man power and the time to round up 6 million Jews from around Europe? How did the Germans even create enough ammo, food etc.. while fighting a war AND rounding up half of the worlds Jewish population?

Please educate me on this.

You do realise Hitler identified the Jews as the leading components of Communism right? If communism never existed then Hitler would of never have gained power. Germany realised that the fucking Commies wanted total control of Germany and her siblings. The whole thing was anti international banking and anti communism. If he did attack 13 million fucking soviets it would of been in self defense.

There is no instance of fascism that doesn't have a communist threat preceeding it. it's why you retards will once again bring the rise of fascism.

I don't even like fascism, but fuck me, communism is literally the cancer of the earth. I say this as a former fucking marxist of 8 years. At least hitler had the balls to lock up a rothschild, what did any commie retards do?

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Osama Bin Laden was dunded by the Yanks for long enough while he was useful. He turned on them, whether he did 9/11 or not. Stalin turned on the Allies because like every other power hungry lefty, he was an ego maniac.

lol! Yet I bet you deny that the Jewish population of Europe went up during the holocaust eh? Muh selective belief in statistics.

we had this like a houndred times, just do a little bit of recherche and you will find out that ballpint pens did exist during WW2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballpoint_pen#History

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The left loves jews and defend them to the death, they would considering the jew embodies all their worst traits naturally, whereas everyone else has to be brainwashed from birth to become that much of a parasitical waste of oxygen.

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That doesn't look like Argentina

Its not that complicated. They weren't fighting a war from all angles until '44. Before that they had access to all of western Europe.
Now once you kill the kids and elderly you can work the adults to death. This is actually going to help the war effort. Free labour!
In almost all the countries the occupied the Germans would use the local police forces and volunteers to correctly identify local Jews and round them up.
Now you send them to camps that are run mostly by Jews with a few SS guards watching over.
So early on when they had access to basically all of Europe it was no hassle. Later on during the invasion of the USSR you can use the slave labour.
It's not really that complicated. And again a lot of delegation of tasks. Gassing anyone who couldn't work means you don't need to feed them or anything - its cheap.

Jewish prisoners assembled the V2 rocket for instance.

The Soviet Union had to overcome far deeper logistical problems, like moving the entire arms industry hundreds of miles away from the front and getting it up and running from scratch.

They killed the Soviet citizens because they thought they were subhuman. Rounding up a bunch of peasants and setting fire to them and their town over and over again was totally self defence.
Fascism is a response to capitalism collapsing. Do you really think the USSR upset Hitler so much that they had no choice? The commie retards put the first man in space and turned an agrarian backwater into a super power.

History doesn't care about your feelings bucko it is what it is. Not what your feels tell you it was

It would be a waste of resources. Much better to use them as slave labour.

Marx was an extreme anti-Semite.

Hating Jews is pretty irrelevant to your politics.

The best argument for Jews controlling media is we get an oscar winning holocaust movie every election cycle and literally no one has anything to say about the Slavic extermination in WW2.

It's all irrelevant though. Remember how Marxists used to be committed to 'ruthless criticism'? Now no one wants to investigate anything that might 'lead to bad ideas'.

The only reason not to investigate this is that we gain nothing from knowing whether 6 million or 200'000 were killed in the camps. However in the case that we intend to speak on it then we ought to know and there is no reason to out right dissuade someone from investigating it and sharing their results.

If the figure weren't in the ballpark of six million then the USSR would of disputed it. They didn't dispute the number. It might be slightly lower or higher.

Also I don't understand the point of anti antisemitism. It seems like it's been a thing so long that people think "well they must be evil". And this probably goes back to them being moneylenders in preindustrial societies.

There's no real reason to be an anti semite unless you ideologically or pathologically need an "other" that is undermining society.

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I honestly hate the LARPing Zig Forumstards in the thread defending hitler and showing their true colors /s

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