Show if you actually are a Communist

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

Show if you actually are a Communist.

Did Pol Pot do anything wrong doing this?

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Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

collaborates with the monarchy
destroys industry
kills workers and peasants
fights the vietnamese
abandons communism
wore glasses
yeah he was pretty epic

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Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

kill of your comrades
Kill off only the communist opposition
Mass murder people based on ethnic makeup or their adherence to "dont mass murder us" ideology
Destroy the only part of your country that isnt plagued by constant famine and constant terror
Primitivism
Yes. Yes. He did absolutely everything wrong.

Aiden Torres
Aiden Torres

collaborates with the monarchy
Sihanouk was based and anti-imperialist, that's why Lon Nol had to intervene and overthrow him to serve his American masters.
destroys industry
America destroyed the industry
kills workers and peasants
"ALL WORKERS ARE MAGICALLY GOOD"
fights the vietnamese
Read the Black Papers. The Vietnamese are the Khmer's hereditary enemy and had expansionist designs in Indochina
abandons communism
Communism was achieved under the Angkar. Goods were distributed according to need and 95-97% of the country lived in collective farms
wore glasses
<le glasses meme
Urbanites were reeducated in the countryside and were at a parity in standards by the time the Kampuchean Revolution was destroyed

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

Achievements of Pol Pot-ism:
freed Kampuchea from the corrupt American-backed puppet government of Lon Nol
evacuated urban-dwellers into the countryside for both ideological and pragmatic purposes when faced with a crisis of feeding the people
collectivized 95 - 97% of the population with a thousand collective farms across the country
collectivized all land, draught animals and the means of production
stopped using the market and money by 1974
strove for national autarky
created a true post-capitalist classless society
forbid religion
How the collective farms worked:
The results of the collectives were divided equally according to need to families. Part of the production went to the use of the district's guerilla army and part was exchanged through the central organization for goods such as clothing, motor oil and salt. Each collective farm strove for self-sufficiency. The week consisted of ten days, the tenth being reserved for political education. The rest of the days were for work. Consumption as well as production was collectivized, with collective meals being introduced in 1977. There were no wages for work under Kampuchean communism and people received identical clothing through the collective, being given a simple black garment. In some collective farms, men and women were segregated and meetings between men and women were restricted. Extramarital relations were punished severely.
The long-term goal was for a sufficiently developed level of industrialization. There were Chinese and North Korean advisers in the country, but besides that Kampuchea was completely isolated
Treatment of the "New People":
The ideological goal of the Communist Party was of course the creation of classless society (which was achieved in the Super Great Leap Forward), therefore the special features of the three million urban dwellers created by the urban capitalistic economy had to be destroyed. They performed the hardest physical labor, their families were broken up and their housing was of the lowest quality. The elite were now at the bottom of society. The goal was the destruction of the social structures maintained by these classes. By the end of the Pol Pot period these differences had vanished as full communism was achieved, showing the useless of Marxist concepts such as "stages" of communist society.
Education:
Under Kampuchean Communist society and the institution of rigid egalitarianism there was no need for formal institutions of education, for the young educated themselves spontaneously in a natural social setting based on the unity of living and working; and there was no place for university educated intellectuals, whose specialized training necessarily created a sharp separation between mental and manual labor incongruous with the new order. Books and libraries were not used, and the educational system was rendered superfluous.
Betrayal:
The Kampucean National United Front of National Salvation (KNUFNS) was installed in power by the Vietnamese. It consisted of traitors and revisionist elements, being founded in 1978. Sufficiently effective action against the Vietnamese agents operating in Kampuchea during the Pol Pot years was one flaw of DK. Pol Pot, with prescient knowledge, foresaw such treacherous and underhanded moves by the Vietnamese long ago, as indicated in the Black Paper and past Vietnamese attempts to amalgamate the Kampuchean state into the Vietnamese-controlled Indochina Federation. Pol Pot did not want to sell out the Khmer race to their hereditary enemy, instead hearkening back to the glorious Angkor dynasty of the Kampuchean past.
TL;DR
Pol Pot implemented the world's first communist society, refuting Marxist notions of stages of development. From 1975 to 1979, the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was reality. Communism flourished under the aegis of the Angkar. The experience of Democratic Kampuchea should be an example to us all for the building of socialism as quickly as possible.

There once was a man from Phnom Penh
who lived to exploit labor 'n' men
The revolution came
his whole class was to blame
kneeling, trembling, death in Tuol Sleng!

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

PROOF BAKUNIN AND NECHAYEV WERE IDEOLOGICAL FORERUNNERS OF POL-POTISM
The ending of the existing social order and the renewal of life with the aid of the new principles can be accomplished only by concentrating all the means of social existence in the hands of OUR COMMITTEE, and the proclamation of compulsory physical labour for everyone.
"The committee, as soon as the present institutions have been overthrown, proclaims that everything is common property, orders the setting up of workers' societies" (artels) "and at the same time publishes statistical tables compiled by experts and pointing out what branches of labour are most needed in a certain locality and what branches may run into difficulties there.
"For a certain number of days assigned for the revolutionary upheaval and the disorders that are bound to follow, each person must join one or another of these artels according to his own choice… All those who remain isolated and unattached to workers' groups without sufficient reason will have no right of access either to the communal eating places or to the communal dormitories, or to any other buildings assigned to meet the various needs of the brother-workers or that contain the goods and materials, the victuals or tools reserved for all members of the established workers' society; in a word, he who without sufficient reason has not joined an artel, will be left without means of subsistence. All the roads, all the means of communication will be closed to him; he will have no other alternative but work or death."
"All general work is managed by the office, while all individual work requiring special skills and craftsmanship is performed by special artels."
With full publicity, knowledge and activity on the part of everyone all ambition, as we now know it, all deception will disappear without a trace, will vanish forever… Everyone will endeavour to produce as much as possible for society and consume as little as possible; all the pride, all the ambition of the worker of those times will rest in the awareness of his usefulness to society."
Reading the above, one wonders whether Pol Pot was a student of these great revolutionaries of the 19th century or whether Bakunin and Nechayev themselves were merely proto-Pol Potists operating in Russian conditions. Though criticized by Marx as “crude barracks-communism” (an unmeaningful criticism, as is his criticism of Nechayev’s wonderful Catechism), the successes of barracks-communism have of course been shown by the triumps of the Angkar in Democratic Kampuchea from 1975 – 1979. Many of the steps proposed in the preceding article were in fact carried out by DK. With the instant transition to classless communism under the aegis of the Angkar (analogous to the committee referred to above), almost the entirety of the Kampuchean population was collectivized, ate communally, dressed identically in black garments, living austere and supremely communistic lives. The collective farms, as even admitted in bourgeois sources such as Kimmo Kiljunen, distributed according to NEED

Zachary Robinson
Zachary Robinson

I'm glad that there are some here and not the usual Fascists such as

Cooper Green
Cooper Green

99% percent of people who criticize Pol Pot have fell for the bourgeois / Vietnamese revisionist lies hook, line and sinker. They haven't read anything about the revolution, the eradication of all class distinctions and the distribution according to need (as described even in bourgeois sources) and instead resort to the script:
MUH GLASSES
MUH PRIMITIVISM
MUH GENOCIDE
MUH CIA (sorry we can't show the proof!)

It's sad how the undeniably most-advanced communist revolution in history is rejected by Western pseudo-leftists (liberals)

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

He was undoubtedly a Communist and while he was a very good guerilla leader, as a prime minister he was short sighted and heavy handed, a result of the CPK's ultra-leftist line. The failure of Democratic Kampuchea is firm reminder that it is not feasible to establish socialism in a such short period following political change. I do grant that some of his ideas were quite forward-looking, such as the need to abolish cities.

Camden Morris
Camden Morris

That's wrong. We need to push more people into cities. Let nature take control over as much of the country it can. It's more sustainable that way.

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

defending ethnic genocide (naturally at odds with, wtf), and not wanting a glorious Indochinese union
"Hurr durr no sources"
Here you edgelord, worker, alienating, fascist
globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/190/39190.html

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Joshua Kelly
Joshua Kelly

That's not a source

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Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

What would they get by framing a state you admitted committed genocide against a people group?
Pol Pot did not want to sell out the Khmer race to their hereditary enemy, instead hearkening back to the glorious Angkor dynasty of the Kampuchean past.
Actual "muh glorious white ancestors" fash tier
dressed identically, ate communally
pic related identical slave race

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Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

files.ethz.ch/isn/46645/GS20.pdf
Have a Soviet source then

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

Sustainability is a problem of consumption. The balance with nature you seek can be achieved (while preserving and expanding human freedom) simply by reducing the population.

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

if you want to go that route, i'd advise killing yourself first

Isaac Anderson
Isaac Anderson

pic related identical slave race

You know that Communism is a Collective Ideology right?

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

le glasses man
Vietnam did absolutely nothing wrong overthrowing him.

Jackson Sanchez
Jackson Sanchez

Sticking to your script, aren't ya? The Vietnamese were instrumental in destroying the most advanced communist society EVER and you cheer it on. Disgusting. Both Vietnam and Cambodia sunk into revisionist while Pol Pot and the Angkar actually achieved classlessness, abolished money and markets! NO OTHER SOCIALIST STATE HAS SURPASSED THEM

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

They also massacred people for no good reason, and killed individualism, on top of forced marriages with a side of "Muh glorious superior race", but OK faggot

Owen Flores
Owen Flores

Or we could just impose limits on the number of births like China successfully did. It's not like the population of industrialized nations are even increasing.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

This is the most effort I've seen put into shitposting I've seen in a good long time.

Cameron Walker
Cameron Walker

the most advanced communist society EVER
Calling Khmer Cambodia a shithole would be an insult to unsanitary places.

Parker James
Parker James

newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-hand

despite what your impressions may be, communism is not simply a matter of killing trillions of people

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Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

killed individualism
Individualism is bourgeois. The individual existence is meaningless without being defined against the collective. In the collective the individual is given meaning. Democratic Kampuchea allowed the collective development of all through enforced collective dining, a uniform style of clothing, etc.
They also massacred people for no good reason
The purges within the party were obviously necessary, look how they stabbed Pol Pot in the back and snuffed out the revolution. The ones in the East Zone had it coming. Urbanites were originally treated worse because they were unskilled but as the revolution progressed and the material conditions for this dissolved, it became classless and casteless in the true sense of the term
I advise you to read Kimmo Kiljunen's account of life under the Khmer Rouge. While undoubtedly a bourgeois work, he shows the merits of life under this system. The entire country was collectivized, distribution was accorded by need, money was abolished, classes were abolished, religion was abolished, the unnatural division between mental and physical labor became a relic of the past. This is the beauty of Year Zero.

Jonathan Anderson
Jonathan Anderson

communism is not simply a matter of killing trillions of people
Perhaps. There is always the question of how far do we have to go to secure the future for world communism? How much blood must saturate the soil to quench the first of our oppressed, labouring forefathers? The reason communism has not yet triumphed is because real socialism has not been ferocious, brutal and uncompromising enough. When the revolution comes the world shall be cleansed of impurities and man’s creative passion for destruction and violence shall level the old world and set the foundations for the new. All reactionaries must be deprived of enjoying the coming Eden. All art must be defaced – for Mao said that no existing art is without class character, communist art of true humanity shall be the art of the future of Mankind. Upholders of the old order must be cast down from their thrones – celebrities, professional politicians, intellectuals, the religious authorities, all who stand in our way.

ON THE TOPIC OF ALLEGED DEATHS UNDER POL POT

If the PRK (Vietnamese puppet government) claimed three million people died, which was nearly HALF of the 1975 population of when Pol Pot came to power, how did post-DK estimates by both the Cambodian government and various international agencies show 7.2 million people in Cambodia after 1979, not to mention those who had fled abroad into Thailand (a half million or more). You can’t have it both ways. The puppet government claimed three million dead and 7 million still alive from the 7 million before 1975….
SOMETHING DOESN’T ADD UP
These are Vickery’s claims in the book from the Marxist Regimes series (1986). Even the World Bank’s population data from Cambodia refutes the “genocide” narrative and largely supports Vickery’s data. There was NO genocide, there may have been overreaches by the DK government in some places but remember the war and turbulence at the time. Also, it would be retarded to claim that all 750,000 people who died during the time Cambodia was DK were deaths directly caused by Pol Pot alone because he was just evil or crazy. As I’ve said, DK was at war with social-imperialist Vietnam, being bombed by America, you name it.

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Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

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Joshua Morris
Joshua Morris

The reason communism has not yet triumphed is because real socialism has not been ferocious, brutal and uncompromising enough.

unironically this

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Jace Parker
Jace Parker

Nechayev was an adherent to proto-Pol Potist thought. See

Brayden Jackson
Brayden Jackson

I can tell this is a troll because there's no way someone this deep in idealism wouldn't just be an open fascist instead of pretending to be a communist.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

I was talking about the ethnic minorities you idiot.
individualism is meaningless as it's defined by the collective
Would the amount of collectives create more individualism, hence more liberty?
That all being said, the pic related might be a better ideology for you, maybe even a site caters to it go back to Pol, you retarded semi convert
reminder Pol Pot's faction went succdem

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James Clark
James Clark

killing reactionaries, and liberals is basically amounting to genocide of ethnic minorities
I love being hit with the horse shoe theory

Jaxon Watson
Jaxon Watson

There is no idealism in involved in my prospective on Democratic Kampuchea and Pol Pot. A reading of various sources, nearly all of them critical in the supreme has lead me to my conclusions. There is no "pretending to be a communist" when I adhere to the one society in the 20th century which without a doubt achieved a state of classlessness, a society without money, religion, markets, the artificial division between living working, etc. It was communistic in the supreme, egalitarian in the extreme. The facts are all there. I wish for all of you to go beyond these bourgeois / Vietnamese lies and see the truth as I have learned it from my own research. Most of the papers in my picture are named after the title. Read them. Also read Kimmo Kiljunen's study of Kampuchea for more information. Pol Pot demonstrated that criticisms of "barracks communism" and "ultra-leftism" are meaningless and frankly reactionary, setting the transcendence of our current capitalistic mode of production in some distant, untenable future realm. It can be now. Pol Pot developed scientific socialism to a higher phase through the achievements of his revolution and soon I shall plan to constitute a party for the achievement of Year Zero in my own country.

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Jacob Cooper
Jacob Cooper

Str.asser is nothing like Pol Pot. Asser believed the state could reconcile classes, he didn't believe in classlessness, egalitarianism or anything of the sort. Str.asser was also religious. The only good thing Str.asser preached was his disdain for urban areas and his solutions relating to it.

Angel Robinson
Angel Robinson

posts pic of pdfs
i know this an imageboard and all, but you could jsut upload whatever the fuck youve been reading if you want us to look at it so badly

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Joshua Johnson
Joshua Johnson

Also that stuff like the Gold Standard and Petrodollar are retarded

Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

post these pdfs with your IP posted on the bottom!!
Nice try.

Look titles up here:
jstor.org
Post article link here:
sci-hub.tw
Another source:
michaelvickery.org

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

How was starvation so widespread when nearly the entire population was participating in collective farming? I don't actually know much about Democratic Kampuchea, but the thing that seems the most absurd to me is how an entire nation working at virtually maximum capacity to produce food can still starve.

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

Everyone before the green revolution was a retard. They literally couldn't grow anything if conditions weren't perfect.

Connor Scott
Connor Scott

You claim to not be idealist, yet babble on about shit like ancestors and forefathers and obsess over abstractions.

Sebastian Gonzalez
Sebastian Gonzalez

Starvation was widespread before the April Revolution. People were fleeing from the rural areas into urban areas due to American imperialist bombings. The population of Phnom Penh more than doubled, this is why it was URGENT to remove everyone from the cities in the nick of time. Times were tough, repeating the starvation meme so maliciously makes me suspect that you are a liberal or blatant anti-communist.

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

It’s called pathos and ethos, user

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

I'm just honestly asking a question about a topic I don't know much about.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

more individualism, hence more liberty

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Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

Idealism and reactionary ideology, you mean.

Kevin Price
Kevin Price

-1 off your social credit score

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

Standing with the US Mutt and Dengoid China
Sucking up to Thailand the same country that enslaved Kampuchea
We wuz great empire n shitz
Muh glorious past
Feudalism and monarchy is anti-imperialism

This is what amounts to peak communism to Dengoids. But then again these are the same faggots that use Ameritard-tier arguments to defend China shitty healthcare.

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