Anarcho-Thread

Owen Thomas
Owen Thomas

NO ☭TANKIE☭ SHITPOSTING
anarcho-thread for anarchist commentary on recent happenings in world, and general anarchist thread.

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Camden Ward
Camden Ward

On what basis is anarchism just going to "happen?" Also how is anarchism any different from what we have now? Your understanding of "freedom" makes no sense.

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

BARGALARGHANARHABLOABLABOLOLABLOOOBLOONPFFFFTHEYYAAAAAAAAA

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Ayden Sanders
Ayden Sanders

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Eli Myers
Eli Myers

OP don't listen to the triggered tánkies, sectarianism is cancer. How did you become an anarchist?

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

I'm not OP but I'm guessing the questions are aimed at all anarchists.

On what basis is anarchism just going to "happen?"
It's not going to "just happen". No sensible anarchist expects anarchism to happen overnight, it will take a while. But there are anarchist things you can do now, like organise communes, co-ops, really really free markets. People need to be aware that we practice anarchism all the time. Ever been on a round about? That's proof how out of chaos, with some simple rules, order arises. Less accidents happen at roundabouts than at traffic lights. The idea is that once capitalism is abolished we don't rush to make a State, but rather organise from the ground up.

Also how is anarchism any different from what we have now?
What?

Your understanding of "freedom" makes no sense.
What? The OP said nothing about "freedom". And you can hardly clump all anarchists into one group and say no anarchist's understanding of freedom makes sense.

How did you become an anarchist?
I was born. Then I was told that there is a State with police and I better follow the rules or there will be dire consequences for me.

When I was a kid, around 10-14, and perhaps a bit later, I thought that a rigid system, perhaps with a benevolent dictator if possible, would be the best. Because there was one right way of living (everyone working towards betterment of society, owning means of production together, communism) and people had to be told/forced to follow it. But then I lived, grew, and realised that that view is misguided. You can't force people because they will resist.

Now I'm an ancom/communalist/insurrectionist, and believe people should organise themselves according to their material conditions. An anarchist commune in New York will be wildly different than an anarchist commune in a village in the Andes.

Rather than approach anarchism positively, trying to invent a perfect system, now I work from the standpoint of negation of our current order. We have to cut reliance on the State, eventually abolish capitalism (through organised action, insurrection) and then, and only then, work out the details based on circumstances (like Marx envisioned). Gilets Jeunes is an example that a decentralised movement can work, their problem is that there's no unifying force (such as anti-capitalism).

As an anarchist, the only thing that worries me is that an anarchist society cannot exist surrounded by States, be they capitalist or socialist States. So the main issue for anarchists is defense of whatever they establish.

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

desab

Christian Young
Christian Young

At this point I don't think anarchism has any value separate from broader communism. To uphold anarchist praxis that isn't communist is useless. The way I see it, the more relevant aspects of anarcho-communism is communism with more emphasis on syndicalism and proletarian democracy.

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James Davis
James Davis

NO ☭TANKIE☭ SHITPOSTING
I think you might need state powers to enforce this.

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Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

Syndaclists who only support the IWW, due to it having the highest chances in America, and support both ☭TANKIE☭s, and Trots don't exist
Leave behind this Liberalism

Christopher Mitchell
Christopher Mitchell

Syndaclist death squads won't ever exist

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

Then I was told that there is a State with police and I better follow the rules or there will be dire consequences for me.
Typical liberal individualism

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

Many strands of Leftism are more suited for various places.
Russians still miss the USSR, Ukrainians might want insurrection, and some random country needs Trots

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

Liberal individualism
There's more individualism in Socialism, due to commodities defining you.
Think Liberals only having Harry Potter movies as personality traits, or hype beasts existing

Brody Young
Brody Young

*not defining you

Isaiah Hill
Isaiah Hill

How did you become an anarchist?
I was born. Then I was told that there is a State with police and I better follow the rules or there will be dire consequences for me.

The absolute state of anarchist theory. Still in this idealist simplification from the 19th century. I know a lot of anarchists are smart and aware of how goofy this post is but so many really think that power and heirarchy are this straightforward, Rosseauian appeals to man in his natural state and shit

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

Now this is a based and redpilled anarchobro

David Morgan
David Morgan

We have this thread every week. Every other it's sectarian one way, every other the other.
And it's stupid.

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

The only anarchist I like is Kropotkin. Mutual Aid and the Conquest of Bread are some of my favorite books

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

Hard rec for early Bookchin

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

Daily reminder to GENOCIDE ALL
postleft anarchists
lifestyle anarchists
individualist anarchist

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Matthew Harris
Matthew Harris

They already did tho.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

And it was based

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

broblem?

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Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

Riddle me this, how many of you became syndicalists because of Kaiserreich. We're all anons here, and I'm not shaming.

Andrew Gomez
Andrew Gomez

That pics fucking dumb, it benefits everybody's egos. There's also different types of individualist anarchism as well
It brought attention to the the only org that appeals to burgers, it's getting them into the union halls, and crushing their liberalism.

Henry Stewart
Henry Stewart

*"individualist" (all socialism is individualist)

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

Anything that brings actual leftism (and not the liberalism that the right loves to screech about) into more people's cognition I suppose.

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

it benefits everyone's egos

Wrong since only one person put in the labor necessary to purchase the item. Stirner is objectively correct in this instance.

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

anarchism is based on ethics
ethics are bourgeois, anti-materialist, and undialectical

anarchism is interesting to me only insofar as it critiques the accuracy of predictions generated by marxian economic determinism and historical materialism

James Perry
James Perry

based on ethics
Nigga what?
The based
RED TERROR
was a thing

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

On what basis is anarchism just going to "happen?
Who are you responding to? All anarchists believe some type of praxis is necessary in order to abolish the state.
Also how is anarchism any different from what we have now?
The existence of the state and capitalism. What kind of question is that?
Your understanding of "freedom" makes no sense.
Again, who are you responding to? Anarchism isn't about some nebulous pursuit of freedom, it has very clear goals and ideals.
I can't argue against your points because you have no premises, just hot opinions. Anarchist theory and praxis is highly relevant, regardless of what specific sect you're advocating for. Syndicalism is a useful but flawed tactic, and democracy (in the sense of majority rule) isn't anarchistic.
No, just voluntary association and self-defense.
muh thought-terminating buzzwords
but so many really think that power and heirarchy are this straightforward
Not always, but the most ubiquitous power and hierarchy is that straight forward.
Humans are inherently prosocial creatures and it is in individuals' self-interest to cooperate and engage in mutual aid with each other. Not sharing is a very good way to build resentment and encourage others to to not share with you.
anarchism is based on ethics
For most anarchists, not it's not.
ethics are bourgeois, anti-materialist, and undialectical
Adjectives aren't a substitute for arguments.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

Humans are inherently prosocial creatures and it is in individuals' self-interest to cooperate and engage in mutual aid with each other. Not sharing is a very good way to build resentment and encourage others to to not share with you.

Holy shit where to even begin.

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David Myers
David Myers

Killing isn't necessarily unethical.

Thomas Martinez
Thomas Martinez

anarchism comes down to "muh freedom, muh hierarchies", which entail ethical prescriptions
whereas the immortal science of historical materialism can be entirely descriptive and not normative

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

Not sharing is a very good way to build resentment and encourage others to to not share with you.
die retard

Jace Evans
Jace Evans

So someone explain to me, after posadists, are anarchists the less seriously considered group in the left?

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

only believe that, it's mostly about small affinity groups, syndicalism, and vanguards working in nations suited towards them.
If it's to prevent harm, killing for the sake of blood is immoral

Caleb Lewis
Caleb Lewis

*only autists

Dylan Green
Dylan Green

nah, anarchists are somewhat respected
they are serious about praxis

Benjamin Nelson
Benjamin Nelson

Why are so many anarchists trans? It's almost uncanny how disproportionately represented they are in anarchist circles

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

Mentally ill people tend to not stop at just one illness.

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

I often wonder about something, i've always thought the reason so many minorities become far left(not only by race but by LGBT stuff) it's because they are more likely, in their discrimination, to see what the real reason for discrimination is(class), but then you have all those disenfranchised young men that go far right thanks to their feelings of isolation, why?

Grayson White
Grayson White

lol, comorbidity

Eli Price
Eli Price

They hated themselves , largely due to gender roles
somewhat respected
as long as you're not Bat'ko incarnate(Muh Stalin), you're cool here right

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

They' haven't been convinced capitalism's the problem due to white supremecy being harder to despook, with liberals pushing the exact same idpol, and shit

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

as long as you're not Bat'ko incarnate(Muh Stalin), you're cool here right
there isn't really sectarian banter here like there used to be.

also there are 'muh stalin' Leninists, it's not just an anarchist position.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

no sectarian banter
we've reached the truth then, that's what's supposed to happen.

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Camden Torres
Camden Torres

nah lol, the antithesis got banned, there has been no synthesis

Aaron Rodriguez
Aaron Rodriguez

antithesis got banned
Nope, they just split the fucking board.
The synthesis is IWW Anarcho-Tankist Rainbow Coalition folk music

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Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

Name one fucking spook. Egoism-Communism is literally a thing.
Nice hot opinions.
They split the board because they got banned and their position censored.

David Lopez
David Lopez

Nope, they just split the fucking board.
… because they kept getting banned

Jacob Howard
Jacob Howard

do they not know what a vpn is?

Joshua Watson
Joshua Watson

. .no. .fuck off.

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Michael Ward
Michael Ward

On top of that it wasn't an antithesis, those have to have merit

Justin Fisher
Justin Fisher

you are suggesting 1/3 of the board should have waged an eternal ban evasion jihad instead of just switching to a new board?
also recall that initially, the idea was to have everyone migrate, not to split.

Juan Gutierrez
Juan Gutierrez

Nah, I was just thinking it shows how fucking dumb they are
migrate
these are the same people who think Chezkian SoccDems should've been able to leave, nobody with a brain wants that

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

Well educated with heavy amounts of discrimination and an aversion to American conservative social order and gender roles. It makes sense to me that a belief system which gives empowerment to your individual truth regardless of whatever society tries to enforce on you appeals to trans people.

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

whereas the immortal science of historical materialism can be entirely descriptive and not normative
I bet you also think Capital makes empirical claims about bourgeois economics.

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Chase Wilson
Chase Wilson

Anarchist theory and praxis is highly relevant, regardless of what specific sect you're advocating for.
Haha where?

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

He's clearly talking about Anarcho Monarchist Somalia
altarandthrone.com/so-whats-the-deal-with-anarcho-monarchism-anyway/ wtf is this shit btw

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

that fucking article lmao
lolberts base their ideology on kids' books

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

Lmao, this guy doesn't get his political beliefs from from Narnia, what an idiot

Ryan Baker
Ryan Baker

Anarchocommunists and syndicalists are cool. Stirnerites are fucking cancer. Everything else is irrelevant liberal lifestylism.

Liam Peterson
Liam Peterson

syndicalists are cool
'no'

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

anarchist thread
open
all ☭TANKIE☭s
mfw

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Oliver Green
Oliver Green

Why do some Leftists have an autistic obsession with arguing about dead individually flawed Russians, or Spaniards

Thomas Mitchell
Thomas Mitchell

Whats so bad about them? Unlike most anarchists they are actually committed socialists and have a viable model for which the beginnings of already exist in unions. I dont think think there is much potential for the abolishment of heirarchies to the extent most anarchosyndicalists want, but I can imagine syndicalism being paired well with councilism or democratic centralism to create a system that can act decisively and defend a revolution without sacrificing proletarian democracy.

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

abolishing hierarchies is literally communism, it;s just some nations must do it quicker

Gabriel Mitchell
Gabriel Mitchell

Leftism became intellectualized and now you have people forming a hierarchy to prove they know more about destroying hierarchies compared to their peers.

Landon Evans
Landon Evans

Death to totalitarian communists and the enemy of people.

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

good take, will steal

Kayden Bell
Kayden Bell

mutualist
death to communists
checks out

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

communism
totalitarian
join Cercicle Proudhon, crypto fash

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

can we not ban this fucking orange ancap already

Chase Gray
Chase Gray

you mean like how the mutualist-communards got massacred by the French army?

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

Why are so many Anarchists nowadays making anti-materialist arguments? I mean the power dynamics type stuff. Is it because lots of New Anarchists are IDpoled?

Easton Wood
Easton Wood

Anarchists are often crypto-liberals who just don't like the establishment left wing party. The current crop of left wing political parties are completely inept so you have more crypto-liberals running in their ranks.

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

Some anarchists have argued that cisheteronormativity is a form of economic organisation arranged by the bourgeoisie for workers to reproduce cheap labour with children. The family is a unit of society which demands a protection from 'change' or revolution, it becomes the priority and identity of the proletariat and so we lose collective class identity in favour of a personal family identity, which some catholics like distributists favour as they see the family unit as the prime social unit. Of course, all of the right-wing propaganda sending out fear for the wellbeing of children and the destruction of family values has been very useful to construct fascism and to create counter-narratives to marxism. Reproduction is promoted as the correct mode of survival in an ever-increasing autonomous world, obviously there are people nowadays who choose not to have kids, so why is having children (creating future workers) seen as an obligation we owe ourselves, our partner(s) and our family? Well, we have already answered that question. I'm not necessarily criticising any particular mode of family organisation, but proletarian children in a materialist context will all eventually grow up to exercise their class oppression, and typically, it has never been very philosophical to have children of your own, just look at all of the intellectuals throughout history.

But the family is not the only behaviour promoted by cisheteronormativity, queerphobia has obviously been engineered to promote homogeneity within the mindless working class - in relation to critique of the culture industry by the frankfurt school. Conformity through the distribution of commodities and the illusion of choice has shaped our identities to a particular spectrum of behaviour, stepping out of these boundaries has not just institutional consequences but also social ones, since the public have become an extension of the establishment and vice versa. To have transphobic or homophobic attitudes relates to an internalisation of this bourgeois mind-control. Obviously the feminists have explained the anti-revolutionary strategies of sexism, but the whole 'power dynamic' thing is crucial in a wider analysis of how society has made us into the people we think we have chosen to be. Foucault would call this the alienating effect of the institution of the "individual". We are all the same but we share the delusion of personal autonomy in a capitalist society. Obviously, many anarchists are also influenced by thinkers like Foucalt.

The whole "oppression olympics" can be seen as anti-materialist in some ways, I get it, but isn't it the job of marxists to deconstruct things in a materialist context, like Marx did with Hegel in Historical Materialism, anyway? What causes conformity and stigma in a capitalist society?

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Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

They are just more represented in that section of the left since so many marxists are class reductionists - sometimes they might throw women and gays a bone because Lenin decriminalized sodomy and whatnot, but many MLs see transgender people as a "new" thing so probably a construction of late-capitalist individualism, but their thinking is quite literally old-fashioned so obviously they scare off class conscious trans people and the anarchists accept them and that's why they're on that side. It's quite obvious, but an appeal to "they're mentally ill!" is easier than self-criticism on behalf of the more conservative thinkers, then again, the left is so tired of losing these days, many have embraced the racist/sexist reactionary attitudes of today's populism. I think I saw someone on this page a while ago say that we should support some niche white supremacist group because they had some socialist ideas. Trans people would rather feel involved in a community than care so much about "winning" that they lose sight of what any of this is about.

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Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

MUHHHHHH TRANNNNIEESSSSSSS

holy fuck just kys NO ONE LIKES YOU

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

I was responding to someone who asked about transgender people…

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

Yeah you ate the bait. You're not supposed to eat the fucking bait. It was a loaded question aimed at derailing the thread into idpol, which you did. Congratz you massive faggot.

Joshua Wood
Joshua Wood

The thread is hardly derailed. It just seems like you've been waiting for a platform to call people faggots and tell them to kill themselves, stop taking your anger out on strangers on the internet.

Charles Ramirez
Charles Ramirez

"heirarchies" is a largely nonsensical term lacking in any nuanced analysis, whether material or superstructural. most anarchist theory is just extended polemics without a good working definition of what power is, how it's exercized, in wgat way power and heirarchies are different, etc.

James Sanders
James Sanders

Anarkiddies are pasty crackers with idealist views, an unwillingness to let go of bourgeois liberalism and a knack for US state department foreign policy

Brody Perez
Brody Perez

triggered?

Jason Garcia
Jason Garcia

It's a nu-left thing and you'll find lots of self-identifed socialists adhering to it too. They reject class struggle and historical materialism but in doing so you're left with almost nothing so they make up other types of power structure analysis which isn't necessarily bad but really doesn't hold up compared to orthodox views of class struggle.
And rightists in their intellectual superiority consider these people to be marxists simply because they critique power structures even though it's not from a marxist lens.

James Cruz
James Cruz

This tbh. I don't have any problems with anarchist theory as there never was a consistent/universal anarchist praxis. I just don't think it's necessary to form seperate organizations over such petty differences. ALL sects, whatever they call themselves, have to acknowledge that by organizing apart they are effectively cutting communism in half. The severity of this error, despite actual centuries of historical evidence, has totally failed to dawn of all communists including this board. It is LAUGHABLE that so many on this board style themselves as antisectarians while promoting the existence of sects.

I also just have problems with the separation of "state" and "government" into differing categories. I think it, ironically, relies on a blind faith on the effectiveness of government and just how easily their behavior can become "state-like." ie: violent

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Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

He isnt wrong about being unable to leave behind bourgeois liberalism. Anarchism is one of the logical conclusions of bourgeois liberalism, and that's not necessarily a bad thing because it reveals some of the primary contradictions within liberalism, as Marxism also does. But instead of trying to systematically resolve those contradictions most anarchists seem content to just insist on how unjust they are within the scope of liberalism itself, i.e. anger at nonfreedom becomes calls for more freedom instead of questioning the coordinates of what we call freedom (Lenin's "freedom, yes, but for who and to do what?" being a really basic example) and how this terminology is itself a form of ideological obscurity (obscuring in this case that freedom has a class character, and the repression of private property and bourgeois organs of society will likely be necessary in any case to ensure the freedom of the proletariat). And I don't mean to apologize for the often anti-proletarian excesses (or insufficiencies) of Marxism-Leninism and Maoism, but the answer to them certainly isn't to abandon systematic materialist methodology in favor of vaguer calls for freedom and equality. This is why I usually like anarchocommunists and syndicalist – when theyre not just radlibs who chose the ideology off the shelf, they often incorporate many genuimely Marxist concepts in a way that even if I dont agree with, there are constructive conversations to be had. And even outside of the scope of Marxism, unions and syndicates provide a good, pragmatic working model of proletarian democracy. I am not even dogmatically attached to Marxism despite in practice being an Orthodox Marxist (methodologically, at least), and my demand isnt necessarily that anarchists become Marxist, but that to take them seriously I will need to see them develop a method of analysis to rival Marx.

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

Class struggle and dialectical materialism arent necessarily contrary to Foucaldianesque understanding of power as operating through networks of relations in which the participating agents have various levels of awareness of their own interests as opposed to direct top down application of interests. Foucault and other postmodernists may have personally had bourgoeis liberal politics but their nuanced understanding of the way power operates is very salvageable imo. This is me too btw, sorry for the doublepost

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

ITT: people confusing American "anarchists" with anarchists. The world is bigger than the US, you fucking "M-L" high schoolers. Anything in the US turns into a farce: fascism (kekistanis), libertarianism ("go live alone in the woods bro"), communism (Maoist red guards lol), anarchism (idpol, intersectionality, "class reductionism"), food (fast food). US is a garbage country, with garbage people, from the Tea Party retards through the Democrat Cops of America retards, wifi-fearing Greens to the whatever LARP "communist" party.

David Brooks
David Brooks

Very nuanced material analysis, thanks!

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

You're welcome.

Nolan Cook
Nolan Cook

My fellow anarkiddies.
Seemingly weird question;
Do you support the United Nations?

Jace Wright
Jace Wright

Why do burgers keep misunderstanding Foucault? is it intentional or do they just not read or? I'm confused. Like you literally have philosophy graduates in america that will not have read Foucault or well…. anyone else relivent to this day and age, instead disparaging it as 'continental'. Do they only teach analytic philosophy in the US?

t. idiot that has never left burgerland.

What? No. Why would any anarchist?

100% This. Americans are a fucking embarrassment. The idiots like the ones in this thread only like to critique North American anarchists because it's an easy target, they just aim and fire at some fucking clueless middle class uni kids so they can virtue-signal to there ML friends about 'anarchists btfo'd!!!!'

Legitimate retards. I wish someone would just bomb disneyland off of the planet. Or at least another 9/11 we can all cheer at.

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Isaac Mitchell
Isaac Mitchell

my "trannies are disgusting" comment deleted
guess /pol/tards were right. BO is a filthy sodomite tranny.

Colton Morris
Colton Morris

cringe

Lincoln Hall
Lincoln Hall

at least he's honest

Owen Long
Owen Long

cringe

Isaac Morgan
Isaac Morgan

Here comes the anarcho-dictator obsessed with his plataform more than anarchy and liberation itself.

Bookchin is dead, get over it.

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Ethan Harris
Ethan Harris

they barely study philosophy in the us.
all of this post-marxist shit you see americans engage in comes from asspull online posts and not people actually reading the related material

Matthew Kelly
Matthew Kelly

an ancom/communalist/insurrectionist,

Are you a burger, user? Why have the Burger Anarchists made a concerted effort to tie insurrectionist/black anarchy to anarcho-communism? Like, how do you go from 'Bonano's Armed Joy and being Against The Existant to the IWW or whatever the fuck? From this side of the pond it looks awful fucking weird. I'm genuinely curious to learn the answer to this.

I'm refering people who do it at a university level though, with degrees and phd's and shit. It's just embarassing. I have a better understanding of 'le ebil post-modernists' and i don't even have a highschool education.

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Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

This is brilliant user.

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

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Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

God, this flag is cursed.
Ego just means satisfaction mutual aid, leads to this, idiot.

Ayden Barnes
Ayden Barnes

at this point
No, ancoms have always been lazy communists who lack solid intellectual foundations.

Real anarchists should focus on shedding all forms/means of control, including the state, the economy, and technology.

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

Capitalists and communists are both materialists who can't see anything outside of their idealized tropes of economic interaction.

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

that feel when this "leftist"follows conservatives definition of Anarchy as "Chaotic insanity"

Evan Reyes
Evan Reyes

materialist, and idealist
I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

This is what i'm talking about. The American perspective is just so fucking odd. How exactly are you fusing these things? I'd really like to know.

This guy gets it.

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Isaiah Rodriguez
Isaiah Rodriguez

Thinks rich tradition of individualist and nihilist anarchy is conservative defined.

hmmmm….

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Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

wants chaos, not leaderless within a framework in your nation.
Reees about me using the conservative to represent anything away from the far left

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

If we're being honest it makes me smile a little whenever non-leftist anarchist attacks barely defensible with leftist positions get blamed on the local leftist grouping of the day… Must be fun for you guys… ;)

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

The ego is merely ones desire for enjoyment.
Communism provides this by allowing luxuries like time with your family, good food, and housing.
As for how we can arrive at socialism, I don't believe blowing things up without direct provocation is going to help in the U.S.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

because there are so many fucking larpers

William Price
William Price

Okay liberal.

Asher Martinez
Asher Martinez

Before answering your questions, I’d like to stress that what i’m about to say is my own truth. One of the many points of view, sensitivities and individual nuances within that crucible of thought and action that goes under the name of FAI-FRI.

Informal federation that, rejecting any hegemonic temptation, represents a tool, a method of one of the components of anarchism of praxis. Anarchism of praxis that only when it is informal, without being forced into organizational structures (specific, formal, of synthesis) when it doesn’t seek the unbearable consent (therefore rejects politics) it can be recognized in a wider chaotic universe called “black international”.

To understand this better, FAI-FRI is a methodology of action that only some of the sisters and brothers of the black international practice, it’ s not an organization nor a simple collective signature, but a tool that aims towards efficiency, whose objective is to reinforce cells and each comrade of praxis through a pact of mutual support based on three key points: revolutionary solidarity, revolutionary campaigns, communication between groups or individuals:

10/10 Would read again.

Luis Jenkins
Luis Jenkins

not a leftist btw. Unlike leftists, I don't care for your dialectics, your identity politics, your focus on pitting the "weak" against the "strong", nor do I think your proposed solutions lead to actual freedom and non-domination.

Lincoln Lopez
Lincoln Lopez

Unlike leftists, I don't care for your dialectics,
Are you retarded
your identity politics,
t. Humans vs Orcs /pol/shitter
your focus on pitting the "weak" against the "strong",
literally your side
nor do I think your proposed solutions lead to actual freedom and non-domination.
Read a fucking book, bootlicker.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

based or not-based
???
Honestly cannot tell.

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Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

I am an anarchist. I accept nobody's 'right' to control me or systematize me, hence I am not and will never be a "bootlicker". I do not fit into any leftist make-believe categories, as such.

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

BASED

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Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

Capitalism sounds perfect for you, just get rich enough where the law is irrelevant and you will never be subject to any authority or mass will. You will be able to eliminate anyone from your life without reproach.

Carter Gutierrez
Carter Gutierrez

an ancom/communalist/insurrectionist,
Are you a burger, user? Why have the Burger Anarchists made a concerted effort to tie insurrectionist/black anarchy to anarcho-communism?
No, not a burger. I didn't mean it in an identity sense, like you've misunderstood it. I'm saying I like communalist and insurrectionary tactics, like forming communes, solidarity networks, organising neigbourhoods, circumventing the system of exchange by holding really really free markets, and so on. I like what the Invisible Committee publishes. Politics for me isn't about forming an identity with a nice comfortable label I can carry around. I use words like communalism and insurrectionism because I think they're close, they're definitely not fully (or always correctly) descriptive. I could invent words for it but that gets us nowhere.

The way I see it, once shit starts to go down, leftists should help one another, move if need be, organise and defend enclaves. When social order breaks down you have militias forming, carving territory, gaining strength, then if the State reforms they use that power for leverage and to make demands, winning positions in the State's leadership. We have to be ready to do the same. Who knows, if the enclave is strong enough you may go for autonomy, like they did in one big US military base in Syria, or outright independence, like they did in Kosovo. Any kind of anarchist project must think about defense, from both external and internal threats.

Too much time is wasted dreaming about the future, we have to start organising ourselves now, in preparation for the coming crisis.

Anarchism seems almost impossible to attain in the current socio-political climate, which is why I support socialist movements and strive to have a more nuanced view of States other than "All States are equally bad". There is nothing wrong with being an anarchist at heart, having that to inform your views and help you make decisions, while at the same time being pragmatic in your actions. I am not ready to live in squats and eat from garbage cans.

For example: nuclear energy seems like a great idea, but to maintain nuclear power infrastructure (plant, lines, uranium mines, uranium disposal, protection, regulation, etc.) you need some form of a State. Furthermore, nuclear power is centralised, with large parts of the country and population dependent on it, dependent on whomever controls that power, making it a point of weakness. I'm in favour of decentralised forms of energy, such as solar and wind.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

Supporting Y.P.G is supporting American imperialism

Like if you agree

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

The idea is that once capitalism is abolished we don't rush to make a State, but rather organise from the ground up.
Organise what from the ground up though

Hard mode:

dont describe a state.

Also hard mode:

how did you abolish capitalism in the first place without first building

Kayden James
Kayden James

Organise what from the ground up though
Whatever is appropriate to the material conditions at the time. Read Marx.

how did you abolish capitalism in the first place without first building
Capitalism will enter bigger and bigger crises, one of them will be the death of it as the proletariat revolts because the conditions will be shit and there will be a repressive police state. This is why it is important to organise to be able to bring disgruntled proletarians to your side, rather than the fascist side: see pre-Hitler Germany.

Adam Perry
Adam Perry

Whatever is appropriate to the material conditions at the time.
Sorry for being so short. To expand, it would be a decentralised system where people would organise themselves in the areas they live. Farmers would have a different arrangement than factory-employed city dwellers, for example. But everyone would be loosely federated, amd work on the principal of mutual aid. Bakers would bake, brewers would brew, farmers would farm, and it would be distributed based on need. Need would be determined at the local/neighbourhood level and coordinated with other communes. A centralised message board system or database could store all the info to be retrieved at any time. Any neighborhood/commune that doesn't play along would be either convinced to get their shit together or be cut off from the mutual aid network… Is just an example how it could work. Possibilities are nearly endless.

Ryder Johnson
Ryder Johnson

one of them will be the death of it as the proletariat revolts
what kind of organisations will the proletariat use to revolt and why

and there will be a repressive police state
how will it be countered?

This is why it is important to organise to be able to bring disgruntled proletarians to your side,
how will this be done

how would all of this make military decisions

Camden Myers
Camden Myers

Insurrectionists generally arn't leftists. this is where my confusion comes from. I really do highly recommend reading at least some of the pieces i linked. On the Invisible Committee this is a contentious issue. It has come clear to many of us in the inssurecto/etc camps that they are not on our side. they are auth-leftists with dreams of vanguard. There recent actions at zad show this, imho. disgusting people.

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/conspiracy-of-cells-of-fire-communization-the-senile-decay-of-anarchy

Unlike the Marxists and their “anarchist” great-grandchildren, who want to interpret life with the rationality of mathematics, we seek our liberation inside the blasts of a permanent existential revolt of relations, situations, values, morals, and everyday life.

The class of the poor, the oppressed, the “ones at the bottom”, the workers, is a faded label, which for us does not represent anything in itself . They are words that are lost in the void and their echo is immersed in a past that has been overcome. The working class is a massive forced social identity, which crushes the uniqueness and particularity of the individual, of every different man under its weight. The people is the fairytale that connects a variety of persons with completely different perceptions, habits, anxieties, thoughts, personalities, characteristics most of them regressing into confusion, homogenized in the mouths of politics experts with the name “the people”. The people, the society is the realm of contradictions. It is the common place of origin, and we who deny the ethics and values ​​of society also come from it, but it leads to different options of destinations. Within the society reside slaves who want to look like their bosses, subjects who worship order, conservatives who defend normality, the petty bourgeois who worship property, the fascists who fear everything different, the good citizens who fall in love with the privacy of their home and the cleanliness of their furniture, the underclass that envy the ensconced, the ensconced who are indifferent, the poor who grumble but are afraid to act, immigrants, delinquents who admire the privileged… At the same time, within the same society, there are progressives, sensitive philanthropists, leftists, pacifists, communists, libertarians, anarchists, revolutionaries even the nihilists-negators of society.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

no tänkie shitposting

You will pay for this!

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Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

Alright, I have a few actual questions for you guys, specially anarcho-syndicalists
How would you fight against imperialism? Would jail exist, or how would you deal with crime? Are there any borders under anarchism, how would you coexist with other societies? How are natural resources managed, if not by a state?
I just need more practical examples. Say I need a house to live in. Who builds it? Do I build it myself? Where do I get the resources? Would I be able to choose how big would it be?

Is Catalonia a good example of your society?

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

How would you fight against imperialism?
With people using weapons, organized together into military units.
Would jail exist, or how would you deal with crime?
Jails would not exist. Crime would be handled through restorative justice systems.
Are there any borders under anarchism
No.
how would you coexist with other societies?
Voluntarily.
How are natural resources managed, if not by a state?
They're managed by the syndicate/communes.
Say I need a house to live in. Who builds it?
Whoever voluntarily agrees to build it.
Do I build it myself?
If you wanted to.
Where do I get the resources?
Same way you do now, you just don't pay.
Would I be able to choose how big would it be?
It depends on how willing people are to build it.

Isaiah Cox
Isaiah Cox

Is Catalonia a good example of your society?
Not exactly, since it only existed for a few years during wartime and didn't fully abolish state and capital.

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

and bullets. Crime might need to be handled with plenty of bullets.

Joseph Sanders
Joseph Sanders

I live in Mexico City. Any anarchist organizations you recommend?

Adam Ortiz
Adam Ortiz

ITS

Easton Rivera
Easton Rivera

this whole post
anarchists really are children

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

t. utopian socialists who spends time designing the perfect system in his head

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

<anarchists aren't utopians who try to sabotage any socialist system as soon as it's structured

Jeremiah Gutierrez
Jeremiah Gutierrez

Leave behind Larping about the spanish communist party undermining the cnt, and embrace non sectarianism

Jaxon Stewart
Jaxon Stewart

With people using weapons, organized together into military units.
This almost never works against standing armies.

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

Sick arguments m8, you really showed those anarkiddies.
You missspelled "Stalinists".
Non-sectarianism is precisely what allowed the PCE to undermine the CNT and create a counterrevolution.
[citation needed]

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

Non-sectarianism is precisely what allowed the PCE to undermine the CNT and create a counterrevolution.
Source me nigger
You missspelled "Stalinists".
Larping, Larping, and Larping. None of you are free from LARPING.
Viet Cong
Foco
IRA

Jayden Howard
Jayden Howard

im ancap if that counts

Jeremiah Cook
Jeremiah Cook

The VC got destroyed by 1968, it was the NVA that won the war.

Jaxon Cook
Jaxon Cook

death to ancaps

Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

GET IN THE TANK SHINJI YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE CHILD

Carson Torres
Carson Torres

You missspelled "Stalinists".
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

im a misnomer if that counts
that's pretty epic dude ngl

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

and technology

Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

and neither is Max Stirner

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

On what basis is anarchism just going to "happen?"

You're asking that on Zig Forums where everyone seems to think the revolution is around the corner

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

The PAVN (NVA is misleading) utilized the same guerrilla tactics as the VC, or National Liberation Front as they called themselves. The Tet Offensive, while a catastrophic failure for the VC tactically, was a strategic victory which broke the stalemate and made the Americans realize that the war was economically unsustainable, and that no amount of "putting the guerillas on the ropes" would reasonably stop them. By then, the USA had lost almost a trillion dollars (adjusting for inflation) and half of the vehicles deployed in the war.

The PAVN had a rather restricted role, leaving most combat to the Viet Cong, until after the war started to become conventional.
Foco and the IRA are really bad examples. Foco failed everywhere in which the government was not so thoroughly corrupt and hated that it could operate and thus the guerrillas could build support without a mass movement, and the IRA's switch to a cellular model without adequate central command resulted in them relying on scattered terror tactics with decreasing relevance to the war as a whole.

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

Stirners still cool imo

Adam Gray
Adam Gray

What? For you rules = need of a state?

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