What should the role of causes be in a socialist org?
In case you aren't familiar with the Momentum(slate)/The Call(zine)/Spring(caucus). They are a caucus which is made up of mostly Jacobin writers who believe that Bernie Sanders 2020 and Medicare for All should be made a priority. They use a lot of Marxist language but in practice they are social democrats. They are also controversial because they completely run East Bay Democrat Cops of America and Philly Democrat Cops of America as the most authoritarian chapters in the country. They also are the most organized block in the national political committee. The attached picture basically summarizes their playbook. socialistcall.com/
There are three other alternatives. Majority Caucus, it's new, announced yesterday. They are basically a big tent caucus within a big tent organization. socialistmajority.com/2019/02/01/shared-principles/
Then there is the Libertarian Socialist Caucus, the anarchists of the group. Jacobin/Spring considers them to be wreckers. The LSC basically believes in focusing on structure of democracy and being horizontalists. They are weak on actual theory, both traditionally anarchist and socialist. They think creating alternative structures to state power is more important than organizing the proletariat and taking state power. dsa-lsc.org/
The North Star Caucus isn't really active anymore, they were the old Harringtonites, they were explicitly supporting working with Democrats, something the Spring caucus only pretends to regretfully do.
Refoundation no longer exists. They were probably the best caucus in Democrat Cops of America however there were various Marxist tendencies, Leftcoms, Trots, Maoists, Stalinists and they could not agree on how to proceed.
Not Refoundation, the communist caucus. There was a communist caucus actually called "communist caucus"
Anthony Foster
I've never heard of them. They must be obscure, or not active in the Midwest.
Jason King
Communist Caucus is two guys in East Bay basically, lol.
RC went under less because of ideological factionalism and moreso because the people who actually founded the Caucus turned out to be AOC/Bernie worshippers and that created tension with the vast majority of people who joined expecting a Leninist party.
Logan Ward
this thread needs to be anchored for supporting dems.
Landon Thomas
This. Except Anarchist doing something is okay, better than sitting on a imageboard all day.
Ian Anderson
join the baboon Caucasus
all power to the simians
Christian Adams
Everyone who brings up the Cultural Marxism meme is Zig Forums, yes. Especially when they use that bad attempt at shilling their shit ideology instead of our edit.
John Jenkins
stop supporting cultural marxism then
Jackson Williams
Not even Adolf, who invented the term, actually believed it existed.
America's so fucked that there's no other choice then to vote for the people that's closes to the left. I'm not saying that SocDem are really socialist but that's the farthest left burgerland's going to get. there is no other option
When I was in YDSA, before they kicked me out for being too politically incorrect tm, the only rational choice were those aligned with the momentum people. The opposition was the most mind melting identity politics and idealism that accused Democrat Cops of America of being a "white supremacist" organization and that change began with purging our mind of wrongthink.
Brody Anderson
social democracy is the left wing of fascism so yeah
Eli King
1) you are an idiot 2) this person was in that very organization. 3) if you think the jacobin people are bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Anthony Perry
Frankfurt school is GOAT everyone should read Adorno and Horkheimer on the culture industry
Jaxon Parker
Marcuse can suck my balls
Jaxson Scott
DSA Posadist Caucus. Anything else is revisionist.
Anthony Martin
People bitching about people they never read.
Asher Stewart
The Momentum people are indeed color blind. They don't see any reason to coddle black people. The problem with Momentum is that it's mostly middle class and upper middle class people who like to play electoral politics with the Democrats. Their membership is concentrated in gentrifying cities. They don't have the class interest to be the agents who bring about socialism.
Matthew Harris
From what I actually understand these are paper caucuses with few actual members.
Jonathan Richardson
the big secret of american politics right now is the extent to which the "labor aristocracy", the bureaucratic classes, and nonproductive laborers, the whole new generation of elites, are breaking from capitalism.
In the USSR it was the professional elites who were most disillusioned with the system as it was decaying.
Ethan Roberts
Proof?
Gabriel Hill
I will say about D*SA is that you meet some very interesting people in them. They are not college kids by and large, and they are more radical than people often assume.
Austin Ross
This doesn't mean they're going to create the USSA necessarily but
Jace Nguyen
Most members in Democrat Cops of America are unaffiliated. The Momentum/Spring caucus however does have power in National. They have several key members in committees in every major chapter or outright control the chapter as in EBDSA and Philly. They are powerful because they are the remnant of the pre-Trump/Bernie Left Caucus. Writers for Jacobin or people published in Verso.
Parker Thompson
The spring caucus sounds pretty litsky. Does anyone have a source for the image used in the OP? What is it actually from?
Caleb Hernandez
It's from the Democrat Cops of America discussion forum. It was probably written by someone who opposes the Momentum/Spring caucus and simply summarized what other people think about how they run their organization.
I think there are many legitimate critics of Spring. However their opposition is mostly Anarchists/SJWs, so the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Robert Hughes
In your opinion what are actual criticisms then, other then typical sjw / anarchist ones about “authoritarianism” or “Class reductionism”. Is it cause they might be supporting coalition politics with the democrats?
Christian Garcia
I think that the most legitimate criticisms is that electoral politics is only really making us grow by getting more middle class people involved. They just happen to be white. A middle class organization is more likely to use moral arguments for reformism, rather than focus on a Marxist analysis. While many of the people in Spring may be Marxist, the organization they are building with the strategies is not. I believe that Democrat Cops of America should focus more on campaigns that directly work in coalition with communities in working class neighborhoods. It might be weird seeing a bunch of "rich" white people in their late 20s in poor black neighborhoods at first, but it's the only way to create a mass movement.
A second criticism of Spring that's valid is that they are very secretive and cliquey. That may be partly a result of the how unstructured Democrat Cops of America is, but the action of Spring isn't really helping the situation. I don't know how Machiavellian they truly are as their reputation suggests, but they can definitely do things that seem as sneaky to the opposition. They would defend themselves as simply being strategic.
