Just curious, what do you think about Ilhan Omar...

Just curious, what do you think about Ilhan Omar? She seems to be most radical mainstream politician in the US right now, and she really rustles some jimmies.

I know the IdPol that she adheres to and the fact she's still a Democrap but she seriously started to grow me after she got dogpiled with bullshit accusations of antisemitism for her criticism of the AIPAC (the whole "it's all about the Benjamins" Tweet really hit the spot) and yesterday she made Elliot Abrams loose his shit as she basically told him to shut up and quoted his record and called his actions in Latin America genocide. Compared to all the lukewarm shit Bernie, AOC and Gabbard are pushing she really feels like a breath of fresh air.

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Totally normal discourse

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That tweet is Zig Forums tier

I wonder if you can turn this around. "Oh so you don't like Marx or Lenin? Are you some type of antisemite?"

Liberals are one step away from racial blood tests at this point

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This is her roasting Abrams.

She’s based. The media and many parts of the US government are coming down on her hard for calling out AIPAC and the Zionists. I hate it when Zionists use their Jewishness to shield their nationalism

She is a low Autism Level Somalian ape, that is all anyone needs to know. Move on. I for one am fucking sick of looking at the little rat. You sir are a shill of the worst kind.

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Thank you for your input

hopefully it helps normalize antisemitism

t. angry zionist shill

She seems pretty good. She’s not a Communist of course, but she is a consistent anti-imperialist with the balls to call out Israel. Considering how insane the discourse is on Israel in this country, it’s really impressive for anyone to speak out.

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do you expect anymore more from the democraps?

Absolute bae that blows both AOC and Bernie out of the water.

Wow, I wonder why American politicians have such a vested interest not only in supporting Israel, but accusing anyone who criticizes it in any way as anti-semitic… really piques your pecans!

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contrarianism

Of course the Israeli lobby is influential. We're just saying that blaming EVERYTHING on "muh jews" is stupid and won't really fix anything.

putting ZOG Occupied Government's feet to the fire so hard even "anti Zionists" like aoc or bernie "the kike" sanders dare not come to her defense

mossad will assassinate her before her term is up I'm afraid, but she is very based and redpilled otherwise

Zog is real anyone who disagrees is a jewish shill

Lmao hi Zig Forums you getting paid by Hasbara now or something? Can't say I'm surprised

Duh.

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Yeah it’s almost like Israel is of critical importance to US imperialist interests and geopolitical strategy.

israel is of critical importance to all of the fabulously wealthy jews who own every single politician in the united States on both sides of the aisle

Saudi Arabia is also extremely important to US imperial interests but if you criticize Saudi Arabia on tv no one will say you're an islamophobe. What do you think the difference is?

You say that but I've been called Islamophobic for calling out the Sauds by radlibs plenty of times. Conservatives, in classic fashion, just pretend they don't get literal billions from Saudi Arabia in exchange for MIC support, which the MIC then also pays them out for. It's the actual Islamaphobe's dirty little secret.

Because other Islamic nations are enemies of US imperial interests, so making all criticism "islamophobia" would be counter to that. I imagine things would be different if there was another Israel that was aligned with Iran.

The U.S. would be in the MENA region regardless of Israel

She's just another Bernie/AOC. She's all hype but won't do much.

It's all about maintaining influence in the Middle East.


You're confused.
Those wealthy Jews are just sycophants to power, and right now it serves the general interest of the rest of bourgeoisie to maintain influence in that region.


It's about moral pretense.
We saved the Jews in WW2 and helped them set up their state, so it looks bad for us if they're criticized. It feeds into the political theater that the U.S. is always the great defender.
The Saudis don't have that history.

Imagine my shock.

You can't turn it around because they don't actually care. They're just pretending so they can feel like the good guys despite supporting the outright oppression of 75% of the population.

To be honest when you're being attacked by republicans AND Democrats it's kind of impossible to do anything as a single politician in the political system.

TBH she's the first principled anti-imperialist congress has had in decades. Bernie votes against (most) wars but tends to cover it in "no more dead soldiers" rhetoric rather than something more radical. I'm actually writing to congress (lol) to her to try and radicalize her on nuclear weapons, specifically America's long history of first use threats and the need to adopt a No First Use policy (along with disarming first strike weapons to make it credible).

A disgraceful woman spitting in the face of Islam. Where is her Husband and why hasn't he slapped the absolute shit of her? "A strong hand must be used against the foolish and recalcitrant woman." I do not approve of this and neither would any others who understand and 'Look upon The Moon.'

want to kiss her so bad

Their is no reason why America would do that. Even if American Imperialism stopped, no intelligent country would disarm their nuclear weapons. Russia didn’t.

This. She may not be /oneofus/ but the most important thing for a US politician to do is actually oppose imperialism. Domestic healthcare, reforms, etc. are all ultimately secondary because if imperialism isnt primarily addressed those reforms are just going to shore up American society to continue the imperial project and be much worse in the long term. I'm not one of these "fuck Amerikkka" types around here either that think the US and Americans "deserve" suffering and punishment, this is just a real matter of strategic priority. I was incredibly surprised at how principled she was on this point, I hope she doesnt cave under pressure anymore than she already has because this is the kind of political spectacle that could actually be productive.

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she is lowkey qt

First strike weapons, not complete unilateral disarmament. The goal of U.S. nuclear policy is to be able to threaten a massive counterforce first strike, knocking out all of Russia / China's command and control bunkers and ICBM missile silos in one surprise attack. The credible threat of this allows U.S. imperialism to reserve the right to use tactical nuclear weapons and generally get its way in great power confrontations - like pointing a gun at someone's head, the nuclear arsenal is used, even if it's not fired. Read "A Call to Mutiny" by former nuclear strategist Daniel Ellsberg for a more detailed rundown on how nuclear blackmail is used: ellsberg.net/call-to-mutiny/

The drive for strategic nuclear supremacy is why you see the U.S. again pursuing new first strike weapons. The I.N.F. withdrawal is the major one, reducing the flight time of a first strike and allowing the U.S. to threaten Russia or China separately without flying ICBMs over the others' radar. Or the new initiatives in missile defense - there's no way in hell that missile defense could defend against an enemy first strike, but it could plausibly defend against the "ragged retaliation" left over after a U.S. first strike. All these first strike preparations also increase the chances of an accidental nuclear war. The best way to "survive" a nuclear exchange is to launch a preemptive first strike to destroy their weapons first. When something funny shows up on early warning radar, there's all the more reason to believe it's real, especially when INF range missiles reduce the time possible to make a decision down to 2-3 minutes (including the time to wake the generals up).

The solution here is stop threatening nuclear first use, adopting a No First Use policy. To make this policy credible (the Soviets adopted NFU in the 80s but it was ignored) we'll also have to unilaterally disarm weapons accurate enough to make a first strike: shut down all ICBM and IRBM programs and rely on nuclear submarines and a small fleet of bombers.

What this ultimately means is that without the threat of unleashing thermonuclear armageddon, the U.S. will either have to cede some of its imperialist ambitions (unacceptable to porky) or dramatically increase its military spending even further to deter rivals with conventional force. Generation after generation of cold warriors, Kennan, Kissinger, Schultz, etc. recognize how close they came to nuclear war and actually support this policy, but porky is resistant because he'd rather spend his money on yachts than aircraft carriers. This will expose the true scale and consequences of American imperialism, and how porky has routinely gambled the lives of hundreds of millions of people in pursuit of cheap oil and labor. It's better than letting things continue as normal, only to meet the real, thermonuclear End of History after an error of judgement.

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lol

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I have a feeling you're refering to white people.

Reminder that overly interpretive shit like this is characteristic of schizophrenia.

But I have absolutely been called islamophobic and held in suspicion for criticizing Saudi Arabia and mentioning that Saudi Arabian exchange students werent just sweet innocent PoC but literal royalty

Just because she hates Israel? Don't be retarded. Bernie or even AOC are wayy further left than her.

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"Further left" in this case means fucking nothing, stop thinking in terms of stupid ideology charts and shit and start thinking strategically. See

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"Strategically"? What "strategic" interest does she offer us? Her support of milquetoast democrap slaykweenz like Harris over actual demsocs like Bernie? The literal only good thing about her is that she opposes Israel and the reason why is obvious to anyone who's seen a picture of her.

another backstabbing socdem.

She literally asked him if he could guarantee he wouldn't genocide Venezuelans WHILE INVADING. Go watch it again. She was arguing for """humanitarian intervention.""" She also didn't refute his lies about Maduro being a dictator or Duarte being elected.

Elliot Abrams:
Ilhan OMAR:

Also pussied out on Israel.

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Bringing US backed genocides to national news in relation to coup attempts against Venezuela has no strategic relevance for leftists? Is the potential, totally non-guarunteed prospect of the US getting half decent west european style healthcare after a Bernie presidency of compromise and disappointment more radical than trying to drive real wedges into the imperial narratives that allow actual socialist and independence projects in the 3rd world to be overthrown? I'm an American, I have shit healthcare and work a shit job and socdem countries look like fucking heaven compared to our bullshit, but the idea that the US will be able to implement some kind of Swedish social security system is very, very questionable to begin with, and even in the overly optimistic scenario in which it's possible to any extent, it would require the continued subjugation of most of the world, and eventually the erosion of even those hard won socdem reforms. The best hope of poor Americans is the death of American imperialism. Our future is tied up more in Maduro than Sanders.

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she is another liberal fake, she is arguing for a safe, liberal invasion of Venezuela instead of Trump's invasion.

While that is extremely disappointing I stand by that this is far better than any of Bernie or AOCs foreign policy

She also BTFO Elliott Abrams youtube.com/watch?v=InGCmxCjaWE


Ilhan Omar Clashed With Venezuela Envoy Elliott Abrams Over Washington's Role in Latin America. Here's the History Behind Her Claims
time.com/5529418/ilhan-omar-elliott-abrams-el-salvador/

Why was this thread anchored? ZOIB?

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bullshit smells better than dogshit, it's still shit

You can fertilize crops with bullshit but dog shit will kill your childrens(according to the signs.)

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American Disarmament of first strike weapons won’t happen because it isn’t in America’s self interest. This is especially true as American Imperialism falls apart, America will rely more and more on these weapons because It’ll prevent China from doing to them, what they did to the world. And at the end of the day people act in their self interest, and first strike weapons are incredibly useful, to useful to give up because of some moral principle. The only way America would disarm it’s self of first strike weapons is if it was forced to from the outside, and at that point is when they are used.

Because of MAD, America would only use these weapons for real if America first lost it’s position as an Imperial power, second it’s self-determination was threatened, and third was given an ultimatum to give up these weapons.

apt metaphor tbh

she shouldn't support Bernie, Bernie is an absolute hack shill senile piece of double speaking bitch