The new Leftist experience is shit

They actually do have discord severs dedicated to grooming initiates.

Being inclusive isn't inherently good.

Cringe

It is if your trying to build a mass movement.

I don't think the online "left" that we have is capable of doing this. The inhabitants of twitter and left subreddits largely got there through disillusionment with campus liberalism or through the Sanders/Corbyn campaigns, and they brought an unhelpful approach to thinking through issues. In academia as well as electoral politics, you're supposed to specialize and stay in your lane to avoid making uninformed or offensive comments. You read well regarded texts to get inspiration for how to approach your chosen issue and give theoretical fuel to your argument, not to build a worldview from scratch. That's why these wikis you speak of tend to have no logical progression or signs of attempting to construct a worldview: many are written as a list of texts that, according to the author, are valid leftist canon for your use as needed.

So I think a lot of the hostile response to new people who read some books and have some questions is down to people smelling some kind of weirdo who doesn't have a pet issue, and trying to push them away using the most effective social method available, which currently is accusing them of various isms, or of belonging to a non marginalized group. This is not to say that these people don't genuinely believe the non-woke posters are racists or whatever, I'm just claiming that what they're detecting is an outgroup member, and then incorrectly assuming on some level that the outgroup is entirely made up of bigots and unvirtuous white cishets.

Have you read SSC's "I CAN TOLERATE ANYTHING EXCEPT THE OUTGROUP"?

Even though I disagree with the author on pretty much everything, this particular post is illuminating on how we treat "others".

slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

Yes, that post helped me start noticing the online manifestation of ingroup/outgroup dynamics. That's the thing with lesswrong type people: they occasionally make some clever observations about society, but then they combine it with their scientific training to create a whole ideology of being clever and it's just libertarian nonsense at best. If the left was set up better for recruiting, we'd be there to say "hey I heard you like clever observations about how the world works, have you tried this historical materialism stuff?" But instead we've got a lot of very smart people who think it's more important that everyone agrees we need open borders now.

Not all masses play nicely together. You can't just accept all comers. The obvious example is that you can't build a mass movement that includes both racists and minorities.

Also lol @ a trot trying to advocate building a mass movement

Socialism can only be achieved via revolution, which requires a mass movement of all workers in order to succeed.

Only through organizing all workers on the basis of class power can racial hatred be defused. I forget who said it, but their is a quote somewhere that the union by bringing everyone together made workers who previously held racist statements no longer racist, because they aw hat their interests were aligned with workers of other races.

There's also that Lenin quote about how the revolution will have all sorts of people.

Jeez, how'd that go down?

This.

You have to unite people on their shared interests, and by doing this you can overcome things like racism. The thing about racism is it's bullshit - it's largely a concern that gets put there to replace the natural anxiety people will feel about their economic condition. The reason things like racism, right-wing Christianity, etc. get amplified is often because the left isn't active enough with these people - or with the population in general - and because whoever takes the place of the "left" in mainstream consciousness has opted to primarily emphasize issues other than class and economics.

You're putting the cart before the horse. You make the workers realize their common interests and then you bring them together. You can't just force them together without first awakening them to class consciousness.

People are fucking retards if they unironically tell a newbie to read fucking Capital (not even an abridged version). Way to make somebody loose interest and leave. I mean, have you read Capital? Have you read three tomes that take a good year to digest? I actually have read Capital but I am willing to admit that I have skipped many chapters and not completely digested everything, and I would bet my are even most Marxists in academia haven't properly read Capital. So the idea to recommend Capital as an entry for right-wingers, libs and normies is completely fucking insane.

There is good entry level material out there, but you need overcome your autism and analyse what the other guy is actually interested in. If he's more of a pop-philosopher guy, get him some Mark Fisher, if he's more of an economics guy, get him Wage Labour and Capital/Value, Price and Profit, if he's an history guy, get him any of these pro-Soviet works floating around at /marx/, etc. - the first mission to keep recruits around is to pander to their interests. It makes no sense to give someone some highly technical economic work if he gets the shivers when he sees it or some STEMfag the German Ideology.

I'm very well aware that eventually, these people need to read the classics, but at the beginning they just need some basic understanding of what the radical left actually is about. ABC of Communism from Bukharin is actually a very good choice in almost any situation.

The problem here with the left is, that instead of correcting incorrect opinions, in some non-autistic way, they just scream at the culprit and harass him. For these people, guilt is a stain that lasts for life, and people are born as good or bad. This is dangerous essentialism and elitism that goes back to the retarded boomers of the students movement in the 60s in the West.

Like they are still harassing Bat'ko for his past on Zig Forums despite him bending over backwards for the craziest SJWs imaginable.

If you read the post of that Coast Guard guy who wanted to kill everyone he literally was talking about how Liberalism wants wars and destroys culture and that Muslims are right for fighting it.

It's similar to McVeigh who talked about how hypocritical the USA was.

But they could only find the Far-Right so they wanted to kill everyone.

Ordinary US Troops are waking up but they are incapable of seeing what will actually help them.

Corbynites tend to be much better than your average Chapo. If you see an obvious Chapo bitching about intersectionality, muh brocialists etc and you can BTFO them then the Corbynites will typically rally to you, not them, in my experience.
Obviously this isn't apparent somewhere like r/CTH, which seems to infect everyone that comes into contact with it for a sustained duration with radical liberalism. Even the Brits there are insufferable idealists.

This isn't a direct response but your post kinda made me think of this:
A huge problem with the internet "left" is that it's seen as an exclusive club that's hard to join, and it's become an identity that a lot of cliquey people are attracted to. A lot of "left" media like Chapo really try to define themselves with being anti-liberal than actually trying to develop any actual left theory/ideas. The vast majority of their podcasts are reading liberal op-eds and then making fun of them instead of actually trying to do anything. It reminds me a lot of how the mid-2000's New Atheist movement eventually imploded on itself after it stopped being about stopping insane religious zealots from passing laws and started turning into conventions and youtube celebrity drama. This is usually the stage where the parasites who have their own agenda come in and try to use a movement as a front to preach their pet issues (both atheist and leftist circles have been penetrated by insane TERFs who only ever spout shit about smashing the patriarchy and destroying gender roles but never any actual economic theory).

I don't understand why Batko would ever try to placate these insane twitter people who do nothing but bitch about alleged microtransgressions, they're nothing but whiny parasites, the kind of people who end up working in HR and trying to get some poor sap fired because he said he didn't like the way the coffee was made.

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In the past the left was labor based it was a clear and present material struggle between workers and the factory bosses that model in the West has been crushed. The nu left is all about muh moral's They recognize that they won a birth lottery born into a system that is opressive that fucks over the entire planet through imperialism and they want to do something to make it better.

E-fame. When you achieve a certain reach, you have to deal with these witches because they do end up dominating the discourse on Twitter. The "anti-IdPol bubble", or even the TERF bubble are pretty small. Once you have 10k followers, you have to deal with people who use "white" instead of "bad". And while I think they are both ridiculous in their antics, you can look at Unruhe who never got a foothold on Twitter and Phil Greaves who got cancelled because he decided to die on that gender theory hill.

PR campaigns are bourgeois revisionism

It reeks of paternalism and respectability politics scolding to take the line that outsiders need to be coddled. Any proletarian can recognize their own class interests, and how their class interests supercede petty squabbles and microcosmic political infighting. If you're worried that someone won't join your local because you called them a racist, that isn't someone you want in your local anyway. If someone is willing to drop out because of their ego, then they are in a position where public image is more important to them than their material conditions, meaning they are materially advantaged enough not to need to care. Those people can never be authentically revolutionary. Don't hold your breath waiting for class traitors to come around. Don't dilute the revolutionary zeal and solidarity of the working class to appeal to petit bourgeois liberals and outright reactionary elements. They aren't your allies, and they never will be under a system with class divisions that they benefit from.

Idpol is shit
Intersectional materialst analysis is not. Why is that so hard to understand.>>2822269

Post it.

Local police & federal informants fabricated rape claims about me because I'm openly part of the anti-idpol Left.

Can you tell us the rest of the story? did the news report the false report?

why would it be in the news?

I mean they only circulated the claims within the activist community (fake screenshots / fake testimony). No police reports filed, of course

Can't you take them to court for that?

Sure they did

Paul Cockshott confirmed TERF GANG

That's a fairly normal tactic for the police.

"The left" in the US is cultists, egomaniacs, grifters, and Facebook groups run by totalitarian brainlets. Unions are taken over by and incorporated into liberal institutions. The only activity worth engaging in imo is antifascist action when needed and the IWW, which is the only group I can tolerate. If anyone has had a better experience let me know because i would love to make some communist friends but it seems impossible, the closest I've come is one college philosophy professor. Oh and this is in New England. When you say the experience is shit I understand completely, I Infighting is out of control due to constant battles for clout/ego-feeding/lack of reading, and so many of the people trying to take leadership positions are completely insufferable. When the real revolutionary situation arises, all these microsects and cult leaders are going to be culled like in the French revolution, and I honestly can't wait.

/rant

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I hate the radlibs / Tumblrs in the American New Left.

we need more post-leftist mentality

Call me nazbol or whatever you want but i firmly believe most twitter/reddit radlibs and the like are nothing more than COINTELPRO trying to subvert leftist movements and make us fight each other, and this is why a vanguard is necessary in order to keep in check the many radlib factions who may not be entirely loyal to the cause and remind us to never lose the main focus of crushing the bourgeoisie and implementing socialism.

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Nazbol thread?

Ok weirdo.

Ikr.

opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/mark-fisher/exiting-vampire-castle

I think you all need to realize that if you're an actual legitimate proletarian, you need to start exercising your IRL political interests as one in a rational manner. You're not building for the revolution in a way, but the ashes of something that was built by the CPUSA and thusly separated from it via the fact that the CPUSA was very ready to endorse left-liberal one-hit-wonder FDR (sound familiar? "Green New Deal" anyone?) and thusly got pounced when they realized class struggle was now realized within the left-wing of the Democrats. Of course, Second Red Scare comes along, and it's not the CPUSA who's mainly targeted. It's literally all the left-liberals like Wallace who had state power that are named and shamed for their unfortunate propensity to advocate nice wages, or peace on Earth. All this being said, I'll respond to the OP who's way less interesting:

I honestly don't care about someone's bitching and whining about how they can't say "faggot" or how their concern trolling for """""Jewish influence"""" in capitalism is "just getting shit on because it's politically incorrect!" without getting straight-up called an idiot. People will seek out material to educate themselves if they really want to, so I doubt any "woke-scolds" turned someone into a lib centrist or violent racist. Especially since confrontation has always, always, always worked for me in mixture with the nicer side of recommending interesting reads, citing passages or statistics, etc. That's real solidarity. You don't just let someone keep doing the wrong thing if you really care about them.

This post by Mark Fisher for example. It's an observation of *interpersonal relationships within the left* even though it's pretty trash and relies on the old dead meme about communism being an extended form of a christian guilt cult. Very Nietzschean and edgy, fit with all the "muh rich people want to tone police me" stuff, but the reality is much more complex, considering I've had a literal Australian petty booj academic lecture me about neoliberalism and "identitarianism" before on my IRL Twitter in the same vein as Fisher's critique. In a way, the workerist posturing of some of these groups creates a reflection of the Vampire's Castle. With many of the people on this board the very thought of acknowledging race classifications in America as having a material basis, and thus white racism in the white working-class having a material basis through the politics of an Empire-friendly labor aristocracy, is a verboten thing that undermines communist politics. To some extent, yes, but only if you're not prepared to good-faith indict plenty of hip and cool socialist figures for their bad theory and praxis.

If Mark wants to use Nietzsche as an example, what about ressentiment? I used to say the n-word a lot. I used to say faggot a lot. But it wasn't guilt that lead me to stop saying it. It was more-or-less common sense respect, leading by example, (in a Marxist sense) knowing that those words do enforce negative stereotypes about people that were propelled by capitalism or reactionary orders. A lot of these Zig Forums types seem to want to buck this, maybe because they don't feel like it, or they really don't have a problem with those things. So now it becomes the bad, "moralizing" left, and a real bastardization of Mark's work. A shame because Mark isn't really that bad.

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the refusal to use class as a common thread between intersections or as an organizational tool and the centering of silly marginal bullshit over things like racial profiling or global warming or economic justice or something as simple as healthcare makes me feel like i'm just fucking wasting my time

you need to stop letting these scornful internet twerps dictate public discourse to it's detriment out of fear of social reprisal. this is getting absurd

lel

what's the problem?

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Yes, this is the right attitude / approach. The fact is, "we live in a society" you know, and if we want to navigate within it, there needs to be a minimum standard of mutual respect. The liberal attitude by contrast almost seems like it wants people to (I don't know how to describe this but) merge into each other through "acceptance." Like I'm a white man, so through liberal tolerance, will come to truly understand black men. But I don't think most black men actually care if I understand them: they want me – and people like me – to leave them the fuck alone! And stop calling the cops on them and so on. Nowhere here is it necessary for me to "love" them or whatever. To add to the intersectional mix, I'm gay, too. But I don't think straight black men (or straight men generally) in my city here in America really need to understand me – and seems a bit goofy to expect them to "love" me, either.

But people generally try to respect each other. And if you have that minimum standard of respect, interesting things happen. The thing with saying the word faggot and so on; maybe I feel old because people who say words like that online seem like mostly teenagers. Imagine some guy in his thirties walking around being like "sup fags lol" IRL. Embarrassing.

Locally, there was a socialist group that got into a lot of trouble with this. Stupid power struggles over ego and clout destroyed an organization. I only heard about it second-hand and after the fact, as my group of newly-radicalized lefties picked up some of the refugees. But we've tried troubleshooting what went wrong, and we've learned that one culprit was the intensity of organizing. The fact was that most of the people in the group saw each other weekly if not multiple times per week. Weekly meetings for the whole group, then planning meetings for events, then the events (tabling, demos, etc.), so you get this pressure cooker environment where people wear on each other. And nobody's getting paid to do it either, so why should they put up with each other?

You're misreading the post FYI

i probably am reading it wrong. i think im autistic.

This user knows what's good.
How would we start discords for grooming?

It isn't so much a merger as it is a recruitment of minorities into the ruling-class. Look at Kamala Harris. Radicals in Oakland, especially from the working-class, hate the fuck out of her. Zizek has a popular argument for this that's nonetheless used to defend his Asserite positions, which is that guilt is seen as an effective replacement for the actual attack at institutions that reproduce capitalism - in the context of immigration in his case, NATO interventions. In a pragmatic, humanity-focused way, "understanding" what a black party member is saying about their neighborhood is needed. But no, listening to a black millionaire like Harris isn't. We are in an strange stage in America where not only does the active recruitment of "minorities" happen regularly and very often, but the minorities recruited into state power take up the same positions to carry out racialized capitalist exploitation like Harris' truancy or marijuana laws.

Are you shitposting pretending to be Bones or are you actually him?

Nazbol is a pretty common insult by radlib types as soon as you start remotely suggesting that they might be wrong about anything

Like what? Everything here has been vague descriptions of "wrongful" accusations. Someone linked an article in this thread defending Russel Brand sexually harassing a bunch of women lol.

Are you sure? I've literally never seen anyone use 'nazbol' outside of here and pol. Maye that weird edgy loner kid at the back of some socialist meeting might have muttered it under his breath once.

Btw, the right taking on traditional left policy isn't new or special, Even Le Pen openly talks about nationalization. the nazbol meme is just a classic case study of 'retards gonna retard'.

s/retard/burger

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kinda, but not really

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I don't doubt it. But I do doubt his sincerity. Given the inherent competitiveness of the academy he himself may have just been trying to be edgy or else been toeing the line of his department head. In any case, punching-down lectures from canting academics tend only to breed resentment. Mistakes are not a sin.

Know of something better?

RUN THAT SHIT BACK UNCLE BILLY GET FUCKING HYPE

Nah. Any side against the yanks is the right side.

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They're a woman, and they co-host a podcast called the Dead Pundits Society. They're whole schtick is that they're not like the other girls at Booj University. Not one of them has actually done work or a proper social investigation into the working-class, but it seems like every time someone points out how the union movement in America has been primarily re-ignited by female wildcat strikers, or that the white working-class isn't black lunged coal miners anymore, they seem to get angry and ballistic at the Marxists who don't *ONLY* use class as their main method of looking at society (not realizing class is literally part identity politics itself). It's an obviously idiotic position. It's an obviously psuedo-Marxist one as well, because people can pass in-and-out of classes all the time. Lenin, a nobleman, was a dedicated leader of the proletarian movement. They're not bad for being richer than me, they're bad for not accurately representing the political realities I have to live with. For Mark FIsher and friends, the political struggle is in their podcasts and their zines, maybe campus drama, and petty-bourgeois liberal academia. Vampire's Castle, the article linked, Fisher's history as an academic, the academics I just talked about, etc are all fully representative of this. In that, they're not only a regressive element, they're also a completely ironic edge-fest.

The post was to demonstrate that Fisher wasn't talking about people being alienated from the left, he was talking about a breakdown in "comradeship" and "solidarity" in his pub arguments or something. Obviously there's plenty of people on the left who are willing to rehabilitate Russell Brand when he gets accused of gross sexual harassment by several women (unfortunately). But I'll recommend a few books to hammer in my point that class is just the *primary analysis* and not the only one.

Affirmative Action Empire, specifically the parts where Terry Martin talks about Lenin's views on national self-determination and the massive land reform/reparation campaign Lenin advocated. For more on how different parts of the working-class are treated differently. Engels says it plainly as a young journalist in his "Conditions of the Working-Class in England" when he talks about women and their children being forced into factories due to enclosure. "The Dangerous Class" by J. Sakai quotes it frequently, and while the book is mainly about the lumpen, it also goes into marginalization, specifically in regards to gender and sexuality. For an even bigger dump on the whole idea that you can make a dent in real-life politics if you hold your nose and say "muh neoliberals are bad and talking about racism is what the poors want" all the time, read "Settlers: Mythology of the White Proletariat" which is also written by J. Sakai during the Reagan presidency, where he was a hardened veteran of the Old and "New" Left communist movement.

Correction, "muh neoliberals are bad and talking about racism isn't** what the poors want"

funny whenever i see a white homeless person it's always blacks that will give some money and generally treat them like human beings.

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That's probably a class thing. It just so happens that Class and Race in amerika seem to heavily intersect.

You immediately lost any smidge of legitimacy you had

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Both of you literally haven't read it if you think it's "ethno-nationalist" and I'd like you to quote an "ethno-nationalist" passage from that book. Black people in America are definitely not one biological ethnicity. Sakai sings praises of the Seminole insurgency, who were often a mixture of black people, natives and sometimes heavily impoverished whites. He correctly points out that Marcus Garvey was a bourgeois nationalist and grills him on Garvey's support of capitalism and idealistic notions about liberation. He leans more toward national self-determination. Quote the book if you want to prove me wrong.

I mean the book if anything is criticizing ethno-nationalism in the U.S. socialist movement, which literally supported the Chinese Exclusion Act and was white supremacist even up until the 60s. How come all of you are so ready to jerk off over the Black Panther Party but you categorically refuse to acknowledge it was the material differences that separated the BPP from the white working-class, but not the Young Lords or Puerto Rican nationalist groups that were popular, socialist and genuinely expressed solidarity with them? Inb4 young patriots or something. They were a marginal group in Chicago and more of an attempt at the very eager New Left to organize among whites during those apartheid years. Guess what? Didn't work. You guys have to realize that for the majority of white Americans, hyperconsumerism was real. There was no material basis for an independent class politics if old money Democrats and Republicans supported welfare and subsidies for whites. While it had plenty of economistic demands, it was devoid of the radical demand of democracy for all people through taking state power, counter to the very mission statement of the United States' founders. The CPUSA literally disintegrated on its own accord after FDR, while the remnants of FDR's radical liberalism were torched in the Second Red Scare. Most people purged back then objectively were not communists.

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Hello Mussolini

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard said about Sakai or American left-nationalist movements ever.

Sakai literally believes that some nations are “proletarian" in character and that other are "bourgeois" in character.

Can you two please clarify your positions? Is the trot a drunk? Is other user a prohibitionist?

That no wokeness article is pretty good, but that doesn't really seem fair to say. Their is a possibly amazing kernel of an idea here, but the author doesn't expand on it and just sort of fafs about before mercifully ending the article. Good because it was short and keyed me on a great idea, absolutely terrible otherwise.
Honestly though, I wouldn't worry about people's politics like this though. People will just about always be crazy/terrible/dumb, barring perhaps a Communist revolution. It isn't really an obstacle as much as it is a fact of the landscape. It is kind of like a period. In a normal situation, we would all be very worried that we were bleeding internally, but we know it is just the normal monthly period and not anything serious. Is it strange? Perhaps, but there is really nothing to be done. That is how politics is for everyone. Think about people like Been Shapiro freaking out about dogmatic socialists "like AOC." From Ben's perspective, people are just as crazy, because they truly and honestly are. They believe in a crazy, fucked up system; they just see it differently than Ben does. But, in the end, they are both correct that the other one is nuts, or even that their other rightists/leftists are nuts. Our only issue is that we seem to have little political traction in first world countries. (Can't speak for the third world.) I don't believe the left genuinely faces any specific, fucked odds, other than the extremely obvious like the Capitalist state, which we can just take anyways.

Other user here. My position is that proletarians of certain variteties will be attracted to power structures such as patriarchy or in the case of America's whites, settler-colonialist white supremacy, due to how the political establishment treats them, tradition, and most importantly their relations to the means of production. This thread is about how mean it is to "woke-scold" someone for being a catholic reactionary or a nazibol. My argument is that this is a shit excuse and a wrong way to think that can be categorically denied by the experience of the communist movement, especially in America where short-term degenerate and hyperconsumerist material interests usually won out against any prolonged racial solidarity. I also point out how this is almost always used as a phony lie for cretins to shove off sexual assault (the Mark Fisher article I mention has him defending Russell Brand being a creep), or racism, in favor of calling people "liberals" and "not REAL socialists!" because acknowledging anything other than class is bad. This is then attributed to """neoliberalism""" (many of them are too afraid to call it capitalism) culture and identity politics, even though the literal idea behind liberal identity politics is counter-revolutionary.

He "literally" doesn't. If you read the book he actually talks quite a bit about the Afrikan petit bourgeois selling out radicalized black Union veterans to the Federal Government for disarming, among other things. If you're a good communist you would at least read the book and not spout whatever dumbass shit your online friends say without thought.

Related passage, one of an entire chapter.

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Just came here to say, from the bottom of my heart: fuck you.

I spent a few years falling for the swan song of the right specifically because of "woke-scolds" (or SJWs, or Idpolers, or whatever the new fucking term for these annoying twats are) and fell into some rather dark, disgusting beliefs. Pulling myself out of that terrible place took a great deal of time and patience from some legitimately good comrades, and so the people unironically endorsing a piece of trash like Settlers or whining that "Woke-Scolds don't make anyone racist!" are doing more harm than good.

Yes, woke-scolds and SJWs do make people racist. Because they're abusive, mean spirited, assholes–and it only takes a few right wingers hugbombing you after some piece of garbage insists that "White people can't be communists because muh Sakai!" to get you to treat their ideas seriously.

You think that, once they've been convinced of right wing ideology, that wont educate themselves on communism eventually? Well they'll argue with leftists enough that inevitably they run into a guy who knows his theory and end up realizing the utter incoherence of fascism, y'know what happens then?

Fucking nothing. Maybe they get angrier. Maybe, ironically enough, they become postmodernists. But they don't just fucking "give in" because they have a personal hatred against all "leftists" and they'd sooner watch the world burn than concede that maybe Marx was right.

Because they hate you. They hate every sneering egotistical woke-scold who they imagine smugly sneering down at them and demanding an apology. Because they loathe the idea of submitting to such a rotten type of person from their very core.

Hell, half the time these people rarely harbor any actual racial hatred, but rather develop it because they fucking hate the nutjobs who like to front themselves as anti-racists. Even if you prove every last bit of their theory wrong, they just become more militant in their opposition to you.

So from someone who could've spent their time doing something much more productive than wallowing in near-constant hatred: Fuck You. Fuck Sakai. Fuck Settlers. And Fuck Woke-Scolds.

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As an aside, since I'm sure I've pissed a few people off already–so why not go full bore?

Fuck every cringeworthy Maoist trying to show how edgy they are with the constant use of autistic terminology like "AmeriKa" or "AfriKans". Fuck this insistence that "hurr, westerners are all labor aristocrats, muh no first world proletariat".

I bust my ass day in and day out working. Actually working full time. I do retail work. I have to listen to a bunch of bougie idiots with their petty fucking problems day in and day out, I have to deal with people who'll demand "fresh money" if the god damn change they're getting back looks too dirty for their liking. I'm white. I'm straight. But beyond all of that I'm working class and I hate, with a fiery fucking passion, the constant fucking groveling that's expected of you if work in the service industry.

So no, I'm not fighting for anyone else's fucking revolution. I'm not fighting for third worlders. I'm not fighting for African-Americans or Latinos. I'm not a communist for any interest but my own, class interest–and if a bunch of fucking toddlers want to insist that because of some superficial bullshit that some dumb cunt wrote in a book back in the 80's, I can't be a communist? Well then fuck them, I'll still be a God damn communist even if I have to make my own fucking party for it. If no minorities join because those same fucking toddlers insisted that solidarity "won't work" or tried to rewrite some racial paranoiac narrative about the "inherent duplicity of the white working class" then fuck them, they can sit around and circle jerk about how they're the "real" proletariat while occasionally hissing and snapping at me.

But I don't fucking care about being a good person or a tolerant person or what the fuck have you. I care about living a nice, stable, comfortable, quiet life and Communism is the means to achieve that for myself and my class. Anyone expecting more free fucking service or labor from me to them because of some glorified moralizing can go fuck themselves.

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Based tbh.

He thinks that white people can’t be prols. This is ethno-natioanlism.

I agree with the sentiment but not the hostility. In a way your posts reminds me of the woke-scolds themselves tbh

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Forgot to mention that what is lacking in your posts is something very common in leftist discourse, the desire to propose a solution or reconciliation.

Most people in this thread have been complaining about the use of the woke-scold call-out on the left. No one cares if it's "mean" in and of itself; the OP complains about its deployment toward people making attempts to learn more (that is, antagonism by default toward outsiders), and a specific experience involving the use of the woke-scold style to police others on the left. Call-out culture is mainly a phenomenon among Anglosphere professional-managerial types and those who aspire thereto regardless.

"Degeneracy" is generally an idealist trope, and the idea behind consumerism is that one's identity is constructed in such a way that it divorces the subject from the material interests of one's class by creating identification with some product or company. For a Sakaist, this should not matter regardless, given that the identification of whites or "Euro-Amerikans" (it's hard to stifle one's laughter) would not be an identification with the proletariat; "hyperconsumerist material interests" is at best a misuse of terms, or it's a general misunderstanding of consumerism.

These specific features are not common to capitalism in general, so it would be more correct to identify them with the form of capitalism in which the features surfaced rather than capitalism as a whole.

lmao and if they let every terf and transphobe in then she'll bitch about the left becoming nazis

Does she even hate terfs? Or even transphobes?

In the US, "Libertarian" can sometimes pass for "left-wing". For personal amusement, I took "American History II" at a local college and have found that the professor is an actual libertarian trying to push anti-union, anti-regulation propaganda onto an entire class of about 45 people. Almost nobody seems to challenge him. It is really worrying. Pics VERY related.

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Here are some critiques of Settlers. If anybody of you is interested.

thecharnelhouse.org/2017/05/15/dont-bother-reading-settlers-by-j-sakai/

kersplebedeb.com/posts/settlersnsg-2/

uppingtheanti.org/journal/article/02-settlers-the-mythology-of-the-white-proletariat

Sorry, can't say the same for me. I've never been "woke-scolded" or seen it happen because someone was trying to learn. Maybe you should just have better social skills, or seek people with some.

Opportunism in favor of a short-term benefit *is* fun of the highest degree, just not the kind the right-wing talks about. Especially when it involves abusing women and disenfranchised nationalities. The point you make about hyperconusmerism literally proves my point; why do you think white supremacists, moderate Republicans, Democrats, and FDR liberals all make their "mission" to bring back the idea of the 60s and 70s when talking to the working-class? Not only is it a useful rhetorical tool, it was a monumental loss for the communist movement because of a disidentification as a class, but as a nation which took either racialist or civic nationalist undertones. And it worked, lots of people enjoyed it, unless you were the person being affected by Jim Crow, or coal mine automization.

why are you crying dude lmao im literally a white working-class communist. if you become a racist because people are mean to you online then you're a dumbass with no moral backbone.

why is your entire rant about "fighting for yourself" but then you go onto talk about "your class"

you sound like some chapo trap house idiot who said my friend was a "policy nerd" because he criticized Bernie's medicare for all plan, which didn't cover long-term hospital visits. muh "fuck you i want mine" attitude.

I'm sure students teached by people like Richard Wolff feel the same.

Moralizing """Leftist""" Negro-Lovers: Killing people for money or letting people die because you think it will make you poorer is bad, socialism is the way out of this situation.

Me, sane person who posts cat porn: Fuck You Faggot!!!

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