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The new Leftist experience is shit
Nathaniel Nguyen
Matthew Lopez
That's probably a class thing. It just so happens that Class and Race in amerika seem to heavily intersect.
Matthew Russell
You immediately lost any smidge of legitimacy you had
Dominic Cook
Both of you literally haven't read it if you think it's "ethno-nationalist" and I'd like you to quote an "ethno-nationalist" passage from that book. Black people in America are definitely not one biological ethnicity. Sakai sings praises of the Seminole insurgency, who were often a mixture of black people, natives and sometimes heavily impoverished whites. He correctly points out that Marcus Garvey was a bourgeois nationalist and grills him on Garvey's support of capitalism and idealistic notions about liberation. He leans more toward national self-determination. Quote the book if you want to prove me wrong.
Adrian Rodriguez
I mean the book if anything is criticizing ethno-nationalism in the U.S. socialist movement, which literally supported the Chinese Exclusion Act and was white supremacist even up until the 60s. How come all of you are so ready to jerk off over the Black Panther Party but you categorically refuse to acknowledge it was the material differences that separated the BPP from the white working-class, but not the Young Lords or Puerto Rican nationalist groups that were popular, socialist and genuinely expressed solidarity with them? Inb4 young patriots or something. They were a marginal group in Chicago and more of an attempt at the very eager New Left to organize among whites during those apartheid years. Guess what? Didn't work. You guys have to realize that for the majority of white Americans, hyperconsumerism was real. There was no material basis for an independent class politics if old money Democrats and Republicans supported welfare and subsidies for whites. While it had plenty of economistic demands, it was devoid of the radical demand of democracy for all people through taking state power, counter to the very mission statement of the United States' founders. The CPUSA literally disintegrated on its own accord after FDR, while the remnants of FDR's radical liberalism were torched in the Second Red Scare. Most people purged back then objectively were not communists.
Kayden Long
Hello Mussolini
Dominic Williams
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard said about Sakai or American left-nationalist movements ever.
Easton Price
Sakai literally believes that some nations are “proletarian" in character and that other are "bourgeois" in character.
Jonathan Price
Can you two please clarify your positions? Is the trot a drunk? Is other user a prohibitionist?
Luis Barnes
That no wokeness article is pretty good, but that doesn't really seem fair to say. Their is a possibly amazing kernel of an idea here, but the author doesn't expand on it and just sort of fafs about before mercifully ending the article. Good because it was short and keyed me on a great idea, absolutely terrible otherwise.
Honestly though, I wouldn't worry about people's politics like this though. People will just about always be crazy/terrible/dumb, barring perhaps a Communist revolution. It isn't really an obstacle as much as it is a fact of the landscape. It is kind of like a period. In a normal situation, we would all be very worried that we were bleeding internally, but we know it is just the normal monthly period and not anything serious. Is it strange? Perhaps, but there is really nothing to be done. That is how politics is for everyone. Think about people like Been Shapiro freaking out about dogmatic socialists "like AOC." From Ben's perspective, people are just as crazy, because they truly and honestly are. They believe in a crazy, fucked up system; they just see it differently than Ben does. But, in the end, they are both correct that the other one is nuts, or even that their other rightists/leftists are nuts. Our only issue is that we seem to have little political traction in first world countries. (Can't speak for the third world.) I don't believe the left genuinely faces any specific, fucked odds, other than the extremely obvious like the Capitalist state, which we can just take anyways.