Really makes me despise these liberals who talk about Brexit and 'populism' as if they were apocalyptic events. They actually believe that the generations to come will look back on us and think we were too angry about the way things were going. That we were too hostile to the status quo.
GLOBAL COLLAPSE: NOW
Landon Richardson
Christopher Gray
If social systems in advanced states begin to collapse I don't see how we don't avoid nuclear war. There will be two competing tendencies, the desire to suppress all dissent inside the state and the desire to accumulate more dwindling resources in order to shore up power in the global pecking order, and to even continue to pay off the population for its loyalty (since the powerful still fear internal chaos).
The former will lead to genocidal police states, the latter will lead to global conflicts over "rightful" ownership of this or that resource, or "freedom", or "ways of life" etc. The developed countries will have to butt heads, and too many enemies already have nukes, let alone what are currently allies.
I want to believe what was implicit in Cockshott's last video, that the instability will heighten the chance of revolution considerably, and I do believe that, but I also don't see right-headed revolutions happening in every relevant country at the same time. All it takes is the ruling class of a couple of major, nuclear capitalist powers to hold on to their control of the state, and they'll eventually pre-emptively launch their fucking nukes. And then everyone else is going to go haywire and we're done, literally The Road tier. Literally Mad Max scenarios are possible, gangs and their warlords fighting over small patches of territory in the husks of old states, maintaining slave societies, committing almost unimaginable acts of sadism to scare their enemies.
Jace White
Climate Change is pretty bad, but theirs nothing to indicate that it will cause a collapse of civilization, the state, and Industrial society.
Jayden Moore
(you)
Julian King
I was thinking more in the lines of effective propaganda. Yes, people know in the abstract that "shit's pretty fucked up", but it isn't communicated to them in concrete terms which would force them to think about this in terms of their own lives. People hope "well I hope it won't happen in my lifetime". What is not said often enough is, "it likely will".
What is not said is that we're already in the end game, that there are two sides and only one side is playing.
Grayson Wilson
got a link to the video?
Nolan James
Try doing a bit of research within the broad spectrum of collapse topics and see how they interact with eachother - not just on climate change, but on soil erosion, plummeting EROEI from fossil fuels, the growing scarcity of minerals needed for large scale industrial agriculture and the impact that a hotter, more dynamic climate has on agriculture, the extreme loss of biodiversity related to human expansion (especially regarding insects - the base of life's food chains in a lot of cases), read about ocean acidification and overfishing, read about feedback loops in climate systems which remove humanity's ability to combat rising temperatures, read about how the prevalence of CO2 impairs proper cognitive functioning, read about how wealth inequality and collapsing financial systems can cause social unrest which further destabilizes all of the existing human systems, understand how social unrest and scarce resources at a time of unprecedented surveillance could have a tendency of leading to fascist and corporate-backed powergrabs which also exacerbate all of the above, etc. etc. (if you want a really long-ass list of a lot of factors that revolve around collapse with links to a lot more reading, check out this link- medium.com
Everybody I interact with who has taken an honest appraisal of our collective situation relative to these topics and how they relate and compound one another recognizes that there is essentially no hope for industrialized society at scale persisting through this century. There may yet be islands of civilization - modern day green-zones in a sea (or rather, a desert) of violence and strife, but the big picture for most of humanity is extremely bleak going forward.
Put differently, it isn't merely climate change that threatens us - it is a massive web of interacting and overlapping factors which are what doom our species. Climate change is just one factor, albeit a large force multiplier for most other factors.
Materialist dialectics, essentially. Apply them.
Alexander Anderson
The evidence that Climate Change will cause mass austerity is pretty overwhelming. But at the end of the day it can’t destroy Industrial Civilization because at the end of the day their is no prediction that Earth will be uninhabitable.
most land isn’t used for agriculture. Also diets can be enforced, and more intensive foods can be reduced (meat)
Nuclear and renewable energy is growing. Also their’s lot’s of oil and coal reserves left. Lower EROEI makes thinks a bit harder but far from impossible. We’re very far from the point wheir were barely breaking even in terms of EROEI.
Again at a worse case scenario food intake will be cut. Lab grown meats are very close to coming into fruition.
See previous point.
Their is also negative feedback loops, such as when temperatures rise cloud cover increases. Which reflects light. A million years ago Earth had similar CO2 levels to present day.
This doesn’t happen tell CO2 reaches 900 PPM. Were at 411 PPM.
A colapse of a financial or economic system doesn’t end society. The Means of Production still exist. All that happens is that the general system is changed. When the current liberal order collapses what follows it might be communism, it might be fascism, but society will reproduce it’s self.
Daniel Adams
A lot of means of production will be useless because of the change.
Justin Wood
Lol no, a factory is a factory.