Western ‘leftist’ cringe general

David Nguyen
David Nguyen

Assad is an authoritarian, I support the U.S having a military presence in Syria to protect the Kurds
Maduro is an authoritarian, I don’t support him or the right-wing opposition
we MUST critically support Hillary Clinton (or any other DNC shill) in her struggle against Trumpist Doreism

What did he mean by this?

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nature.com/articles/srep18634

Benjamin Williams
Benjamin Williams

even Chomsky the kike supports us intervention in Syria

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧really pops your pop corn ehhhhh🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧?

Angel Stewart
Angel Stewart

"Y'all"

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Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

i know those fucking anglos always fucking shit up

Ryan Mitchell
Ryan Mitchell

I guess idpol as a whole in America, you have either subreddits that wholly support it (r/socialism), subreddits that engage in it but criticize it but still engage in it so it doesn't matter (r/chapotraphouse) and finally you have the ones based exclusively on arguing about idpol (r/stupidpol)

Luke Wilson
Luke Wilson

You need the government of a sovereign nation to be good
Yes. "Sovereign Nation" is a spook. There is no sovereign and there is no nation. I bet you would be shilling against invading Nazi Germany as well.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

I’d imagine most of us here would ‘shilling’ for the Countries that Nazi Germany invaded like Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, the Netherlands and the U.S.S.R against fascist imperialism except for you of course.

Your argument against Nation States is nonsense if you consider the subjugation of the global south by imperialist powers and the right for indigenous self determination.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Tbf, most CP lines just before WWII was opposition (apart from the countries that got invaded ofc).

Colton Ross
Colton Ross

I'm against invading Venezuela Iraq Syria etc because they are not a threat to anyone and the US is far more powerful and wants to destroy their governments for it's own benefit. However I'm not in principle against the West killing some niggas. Like if fuvking Russia decides to start annexing East European countries I'm fully in favor of NATO bringing the hammer down on that agressive reactionary shithole

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

I grew up in the south so I can say "y'all" all I want.

Jose Jackson
Jose Jackson

cringe general

"young socialists" in germany

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Hudson Gutierrez
Hudson Gutierrez

SPD
"socialists"
At least show me some pics of Die Linke people

Adam Turner
Adam Turner

they seem cute and nice, except for israel flag what the fuck is that

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

That'll be a yuck from me.

John Cox
John Cox

Folx

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

Fuck that. I'd much rather be ruled from Moscow and Beijing than Washington.

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

I'm fully in favor of NATO bringing the hammer down on that agressive reactionary shithole
You take after Kropotkin, I see

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

there is nothing, everything is a spook!! i am so smart ive read max striner's and neoliberalism Wikipedia page
you are probably an ignorant retard or a libtard who thinks everything is subjective.
not all invasions or interventions are the same. US interventions in other countries are mostly for self benefit mostly economically but they ignored any morals, ethics, etc while Russians mostly do it for gaining allies and getting a bigger sphere of influence.
nazi germany violated international agreements invaded Czechoslovakia without any problem until they declared war.
the us wasn't planning on joining until the japs hit them.
the soviet union wanted to do what they believed to be saving other countries from capitalism but they also did it to become bigger and stronger.
consensual shared interest is different from one sided forced interest (imperialism) and both are different from defending yourself from a country that declared war on you and is growing in power

Gabriel James
Gabriel James

You mean like Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk where the ethnic population choose to secede Ukraine and join Russia to escape the murderous Nazi regime in Kiev? I think NATO getting involved in that conflict would be catastrophic and likely lead to WW3 and the extinction of mankind. Try again Hillary.

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Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

Beijing maybe, Moscow no. As far as running my day-to-day life, I'll much rather do that under a liberal democracy as much as I hate it, than under a fascist oligharcy.

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

All wars are shit and anons wrong, but watching RSS India get nuked would make me laugh, tbh.

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

Socialist Zionism is proof that there's no god

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Levi Brown
Levi Brown

"Without justice without peace, just a dream become a beast."

Connor Scott
Connor Scott

(checked)
The totalitarian NazBol state will replace god.
youtube.com/watch?v=3q_ULR7Z75c
Semitic Action (Hebrew: הפעולה השמית‎, HaPeulah Hashemit) was a small Israeli political group of the 1950s and 1960s which sought the creation of a regional federation encompassing Israel and its Arab neighbors. Created in 1956, the group's key members were Uri Avnery, Natan Yellin-Mor, and Boaz Evron, with other members including Maxim Ghilan, Shalom Cohen, and Amos Kenan. Joel Beinin.
In 1958 the group published a platform, titled "The Hebrew Manifesto." It described the "Hebrew nation" in Israel as a new entity, albeit one linked to the Jewish diaspora, and called for moving beyond outmoded Zionist ideas that were now holding back the nation's development. It put forward a program of secularism, complete civic equality between Jews and Arabs, support for anti-colonial movements, and a relationship with the diaspora based on national interest rather than ethnic, religious, or cultural ties. Jacob Shavit writes that the manifesto emerged from the meeting of three groups: former Canaanites, former Lehi members who had moved to the Left, and Avnery and his associates, who Shavit describes as "neither Left nor Right."
The new Semitic Action describes itself as "an Israel-based movement seeking to unite the indigenous peoples of the Middle East against the devastating influence of foreign powers in our region and the local conflicts created by the pursuit of their interests. Since its resurrection, the movement has organized meetings between Palestinians and Israeli settlers in the West Bank, initiated campaigns to raise support for an independent Kurdistan and promoted a unified front of indigenous peoples against foreign political influences in the Middle East. The movement has also been vocal against westernization, globalization, pro-Israel support from the American Christian right, Islamophobia in Israeli society, capitalism and the funding of local political organizations by foreign governments.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_Action
semiticaction.org.il
Unlike the left-wing Haganah and right-wing Irgun, Lehi members were not a homogeneous collective with a single political, religious, or economic ideology. They were a combination of militants united by the goal of liberating the land of Israel from British rule. Most Lehi leaders defined their organization as an anti-imperialism movement and stated that their opposition to British colonial rule in Palestine was not based on a particular policy but rather on the presence of a foreign power over the homeland of the Jewish people. Avraham Stern defined the British Mandate as "foreign rule" regardless of British policies and took a radical position against such imperialism even if it were to be benevolent.
In the early years of the state of Israel Lehi veterans could be found supporting nearly all political parties and some Lehi leaders founded a left-wing political party called the Fighters' List with Natan Yellin-Mor as its head. The party took part in the elections in January 1949 and won a single parliamentary seat. A number of Lehi veterans established the Semitic Action movement in 1956 which sought the creation of a regional federation encompassing Israel and its Arab neighbors on the basis of an anti-colonialist alliance with other indigenous inhabitants of the Middle East.
Some writers have stated that Lehi's true goals were the creation of a totalitarian state. Perlinger and Weinberg write that the organisation's ideology placed "its world view in the quasi-fascist radical Right, which is characterised by xenophobia, a national egotism that completely subordinates the individual to the needs of the nation, anti-liberalism, total denial of democracy and a highly centralised government.".
Lehi split from the Irgun militant group in 1940 in order to continue fighting the British during World War II. Lehi initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine. Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis. During World War II, it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles". After Stern's death in 1942, the new leadership of Lehi began to move it towards support for Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union. In 1944, Lehi officially declared its support for National Bolshevism. It said that its National Bolshevism involved an amalgamation of left-wing and right-wing political elements – however this change was unpopular and Lehi began to lose support as a result.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)

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Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

Interesting thing on Semetic action.
One thing I've always considered are creating "reverse Kibbutzim": aka Kibbutzim within Green Line Israel that invite Palestinian refugees into them, building a proletarian commune that simultaneously solves the issue of the right to return.

Dylan Anderson
Dylan Anderson

Jews inviting Palestinians into their ethno religious communes
oh boy you are naive like babby

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

Oh no not existing ones, founding new ones.

Leo Hall
Leo Hall

Shitty thread and the fact that its surpassed the "what are you reading" thread is depressing

Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

I hope the Maoist bodybuilders in Germany take over just to see what they do to those anti-Deutsche pussies

Justin Walker
Justin Walker

SDP

Oh how the freikorps have fallen.

David Murphy
David Murphy

Just notice the little LGBT-Israel flag on the right of the picture

Tyler Gomez
Tyler Gomez

kill me

Joshua Gray
Joshua Gray

Israel and communism is an oxymoron, a brief history will show you why
try and take the Canaanites land because muh god told us its our land
get btfo'd
steal the land years later with the help of Britain and the us who betrayed Arabs
genocide Palestinians and displace them and import Jews from Europe to change the demographics from 98% arabs to 20%
win all wars with the help of the imperialist US and because arabs were just starting to recover from the ottoman empire.
thousands of operations of false flags, random unclear attacks, economical warfare, etc
still practice segregation policies and violate human rights everyday without getting any problem
if israel became communist that means the us will probably stop its support and they will get annihilated by every arab nation (i hope so)

Luis Davis
Luis Davis

Not communists as much as they were the left wing of Zionism. Was fairly popular at first but anglo and mutt influence put a gradual end to that.

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

try and take the Canaanites land because muh god told us its our land
get btfo'd

Wut? They won.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

You will get banned for supporting communism over dystopian totalitarianism. Its Marx&Lenin who were naive about state and how power corrupts the human soul. Hierarchy is the opposite of equality. Muh anti-imperialism is nothing else than chavinist nationalism of 3rd world countries.

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

how else are workers supposed to own the means of production, if not through the power of daddy state?

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

Collective ownership. How else are capitalist able to own private property without daddy statism?

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

And how does one enforce and protect the collective ownership of property while the former capitalist class is trying their best to get it back?

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

Its billions of workers versus few porkies. They cant do shit without a state apparatus to enforce private property.

Xavier Morris
Xavier Morris

Quite the opposite, the ‘human soul’ is inherently corrupt and will always act out of self interest so therefore a revolutionary worker controlled state is necessary for the transition between capitalism and socialism in order to prevent counter revolution and ideas harmful to the revolution. Your notion that hierarchy is inherently corrupt reeks of western liberalism, rejects dialectical and historical materialism and appears to be dangerously utopian.

Your position against third world anti-imperialist struggle is absurd and reeks of parasitic first worldism. What would you say to the people’s of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine and the many other countries occupied by foreign imperialist powers? Sovereign Statehood and the removal of foreign interference are the first steps of self-determination which may allow the expansion of productive forces and fermentation of socialist ideology.

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Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

Is that the guy who created Yangism (eastern Stirner)?

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

Shang Yang, a founding figure in the house of Fa (Chinese Legalism).

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

thinks china isn't a fash oligargy
lmaoing at u
youtube.com/watch?v=3szD60z53y

Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

Your notion that hierarchy is inherently corrupt reeks of western liberalism, rejects dialectical and historical materialism and appears to be dangerously utopian.
how are you not just an anti-western reactionary

Luke Williams
Luke Williams

He is, but the reality is that western imperialism is itself a form of hierarchy and thus should be opposed in all its forms.

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

A state apparatus is needed to enforce *all* property rights for as long as class conflict goes on. "Billions" of workers organising to suppress a "few" capitalists is still one class using organised force to suppress another class - i.e., it's still a state, no matter what you call it. The difference is the specific class character of that state.

Easton Jenkins
Easton Jenkins

States also set themselves up to control, maintain, and reproduce the population of the controlled and suppressed class such that the controlled class's efforts go to the benefit of the controlling class.

What socialist group has done anything except attempt to eradicate the capitalist class? When have they ever attempted to keep capitalists around for the sake of using them for the benefit of the workers in a long term sense?

Aaron Diaz
Aaron Diaz

What I am saying is that hierarchy is necessary in historical progress, examples being; slaver societies to feudalism, feudalism to capitalism and capitalism to socialism. By claiming that hierarchy is inherently corrupt you are engaging in anti-materialist dogma.

Jayden Long
Jayden Long

In each of those cases, hierarchies have been reduced, mitigated, and made more porous.

Hierarchy has been steadily dismantled more and more over time ever since it has arisen on a global sense even as the forces keeping it in place have grown.

Joshua Rogers
Joshua Rogers

When have they ever attempted to keep capitalists around for the sake of using them for the benefit of the workers in a long term sense?
Where did I ever mention that? No, seriously, how do you get "we should keep capitalists around to benefit the workers" from "a state is the tool used by one class for the suppression of another, and that state has a definite class character based on the class that wields state power"?

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

I agree with what you are saying however (this is where we may ideologically differ), I am of the firm belief that a hierarchy via the Cental Committee of the Communist Party is necessary during the transition between Capitalism and Socialism. Ultimately Communism with no hierarchy is the goal we both want.

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

Because this is a definitive quality of a state. States exist to maintain and regulate a certain classed status quo, and to an extent, work to ameliorate and reduce class antagonisms (without ever actually removing the classed society).

If you reduce a "state" to nothing more than "a tool used for class suppression" then you are missing out on a huge amount of what states are used for and why.

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

Because this is a definitive quality of a state
By which metric, exactly? Are you implying that past socialist experiments have been stateless?

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

Your notion that hierarchy is inherently corrupt reeks of western liberalism, rejects dialectical and historical materialism and appears to be dangerously utopian
The entire field of sociobiology disagrees with you and Kropotkin is laughing in his grave at you;
nature.com/articles/srep18634

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Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

muh hooman nature
That’s a very low energy argument and you appear to be sidestepping the issue that changing hierarchies have played a progressive role in the evolution of human development and society. I don’t think anyone here would disagree with the notion that early primitive-communist societies did not have hierarchies but to use that as an argument in modern geo-politics is quite frankly silly.
Kropotkin
I don’t care about dead liberals.

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Lucas Sullivan
Lucas Sullivan

A dead Russian prince from the 19th century is a liberal but my dengist satellite state isn't
pol pot flag, doesn't realize pol pot was CIA backed and is peak opportunism, flipping from monarchy to liberalism to socialism and back based on who gibs me guns

the cognitive dissonance never stops with tanks

Ryder Harris
Ryder Harris

Kropotkin
liberal
kill yourself

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

dengist satellite state

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Robert Carter
Robert Carter

I don’t care about dead liberals.

Even Lenin had some respect for the bread boy.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

This is absolutely not true. Slave society to feudalism mayhaps, but early capitalism was in many ways far more tyrannical than late feudalism. Royalists were more inclined towards abolitionism or atleast providing colonial slaves with some forms of rights than early liberals. Early capitalism was fueled by industrial scale chattel slavery far more than feudalism. There's lots of stories about just how much worse bourgeois landowners were to their tenants with the conversion to capitalist agriculture than the earlier noble landlords. Hell, as it stands today the gap between the rich and the poor has never been larger than anytime before in the history of mankind, which is a tyranny all of its own.

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

To add also: this reeks of the naive Chomskyite idea that the overarching trend in history is towards more freedom and justice.