What does Zig Forums think of psychedelics?

I know far more reactionaries and conservatives that have done acid and shrooms than I know leftists who have. Psychedelics are cool and fun, I believe they can have real personal value, I do not think they have any political value. If you are not already learning about or having personally enlightening experiences about politics it's not going to change that

Don't be a revisionist, LSD was a total accident.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Discovery

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They hoped to use it to control people and instead it did the opposite. It made uncontrollable people. But those uncontrollable people weren't out of reach of the long dick of the law. So while yes drugs can expand your mind, help you undo all the brainwashing and conditioning pushed upon you by living in a country like the US, it also paints a big huge target on your back for these fuckers. Tread lightly.

you have to get 50x+ though or else it kind of sucks. itll blast you into space and destroy your brain for about 30 minutes and youll never want to try it again

Wasn’t LSD created by the CIA?

While that may be true, they were overwhelmingly idealists. Timothy Leary thought there would be no more wars or poverty in 30 years because everybody would do LSD and become nicer or something. It wasn’t about changing the system, there was little concept for what that meant. They just believed people were maniacs who couldn’t transcend their social programming enough to realize that things like war or profiteering were fundamentally harmful. Obviously now you have plenty of rich kids who do or have done LSD, it’s meaningless. It makes you dissociate in some way from your normal experience, but the manner in which you dissociate is still grounded in something.

A funny thing that always happened to me when I did LSD in the past (hard to find now, haven’t done it in many years) was that somewhere around the peak I’d be embroiled in this constantly churning search for an identity to ground an intepretation of my own history, or desires, or present emotions in. But the search is for the “correct” ground that reveals something novel. It always feels like it’s endlessly shifting, because it is like trying to maintain a perspective but also abolish it. Once you look at yourself from one angle, you realize you need to look at that angle as well. None of this would ever feel like a conscious decision, the drug would just do it to me and I’d keep feeling like I was mentally cannabalizing myself, like the room spinning when you are too drunk.

Anyways, the point of bringing that up was to say that I saw friends experience something like that around their peaks as well, and while I might come away with a particular interpretation theirs would always be just completely different. Even as you felt convinced that you were completely unmoored from everything you’d been conditioned to feel, you felt like an alien who had suddenly possessed this body or whatever, you were still grounded in some kind of bias driven by what you cared about. Some people come away thinking they have been fucking up their relationship, or maybe they should work harder at some passion, or maybe they suddenly feel like they should have children, or whatever. But whatever you think you learned will feel extremely profound, because you’ll often be convinced that you saw beyond the veil of every mental and social block hiding this truth from you. It is inevitably only temporary, but people become a little fanatically devoted to the profundity of their experience, whatever it was. And that is the issue with psychedelics and with hippies, they thought the drugs themselves would reveal good and true things to people. But they have no consistency in this regard, you actually can be amenable to suggestion on LSD even. I mean fuck, people involved with clearly exploitative cults of personality took LSD. People can take all kinds of shit from a psychedelic trip, none of it has to do with revolution either. And it does dissipate eventually, relatively quickly, and you feel like those apocalyptic experiences of total insanity are a distant memory and you go back to your routine patterns of thought and behavior.

No, it was first synthesized in 1938 by the Swiss pharmacologist Albert Hofmann who was looking for a new kind of analeptic. He accidentally discovered LSD's effects in 1943 after re-examining his samples. But the CIA did try to use it in their mind-control experiments, hoping it could be used as a suggestibility/brainwashing drug. They deemed it a total failure, as LSD made people much less inclined to mindlessly obey or fight, the opposite of what was desired

I like 'em. They don't, certainly not 'invariably'. They don't dissolve culture or value systems, just reveal them as arbitrary-contingent. It's true about the marginalization. The people who ever did LSD or act like hippies but are now businesspeople of some stripe never do LSD, shrooms, mescaline, or real psychedelics ever again. Or they did not have a shattering, religious experience. They stick with weed, ketamine, or other drugs/ new age practices.
They probably shouldn't play any role but personally I want to keep exploring them and maybe turn it into something [spoiler]profitable/spoiler]

It's really not like that. Maybe it can be if you eat like 5 tabs your first time and you're a knuckle-dragger sober. Personally my first time with LSD I rolled around on my bed in ecstacy (powerful almost uncomfortable body high at first, but don't worry), played with my dog outside, saw fractals peeling off the clouds, rode my bike to the lake to watch the sunset, peaked and felt that all human culture and striving were to get to this point but that they take 'simulacra' (certain words will just resonate with you) for the real and that's our tragicomic Fall. Went home and watched Waking Life and read Ulysses and Bodhidharma.

This, really.

This too in the sense of don't be a blabbermouth proselytizer.

It was made by a Swiss chemist Abert Hofmann who worked for a pharma firm, on accident.

Good post. The peak experience seems to be sort of different for everyone and it's not inherently 'revolutionary'. Like Hesse said in Siddhartha, one man's wisdom is another man's nonsense. I still look up to Leary. When you leave behind the academy and completely sacrifice your mainstream reputation you gotta make ends meet somehow.
This is why shamans take these drugs often.

Psychedelics are fun, and can help someone who is stuck in a rut to think about things differently for a while. Much prefer mushrooms to acid.

The naysayers here simply can't acquire them because their Jucher idol worship has cost them all of their friends.

That said, we should have a pot leaf flag on this board

They're inherently socialist