Can ANYONE explain anti race realism to me?

Preliminary note: I'm a Zig Forums regular, not a lefty.

I just watched that debate with Nick, Sargon and the 4 screeching libtards and they were constantly scoffing at "race realism", which just means that there are different races and differences that occurred due to environmental adaptation.

What exactly is wrong about that or to laugh about? Sadly the discussion never went in that direction.

And I know most of you know race is real, but can one of you give me at least ONE argument against it? Like what is a prominent leftist talking point? What is the most sensible?

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Where is race mentioned in the Bible? I see a lot of ethnic stuff but there is no mention of "white" people.

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Why so insecure?

According to who?

Yeah, sub races are a thing, kinda proving the point.

First, that person doesn't know what bimodal means and just wanted to squeeze that in somehow.
Second, there are a million differences we know. Whites can swim better, Asians are smaller and have better reflexes on average, Africans have more testosterone, different muscle composition (no one says they have another leg muscles, no idea where that strawman comes from), share longer limbs (especially West Africans), have different lung capacity and obviously different brains.

A child knows these things.

Anyone else?

race, as race realists use is, is just a spook. determining race based on genetic devides first needs a determination for the categories themselves, which are arbitrary. therefore race realism is pseudo scientific.

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The determinations and even the "five races" we have at the moment are at least better than completely repudiating race or acting like environmental adaptation isn't a thing.

You can always advise a better methodology.

fascists are also less able to read academic works. does that mean that you are a different race and the race question therefore becomes political instead of biological?

Baste argument.

I have one: not being racist.
Seriously, you act liked racial differences are a huge debate to be had, when it's simply not. For most people in the west, it's not even a huge deal. There is no objective benefit humanity has developing from these ideas, aside from insecure anime incels having someone to project their problems onto.

Are you a brainlet?

Anyway, I literally watched that interview and there was that Young Turks cliché soy boy constantly laughing about his ficticious strawman race realist in his head and how stupid race realism is, that's why I am asking:

What is the most profound argument you have that racial differences or environmental adaptation (which is what race is) isn't real?

I just want to know stuff here, not even trying to fight, not trying to catch anyone. Just want to learn something.

nah it's not lol, one of my main critiques being that there's no clear demarcation line between any of the races, ergo you having Zig Forumstards unironically fetishizing Eastern/Latina women in spite of calls for muh pvre white germanoid race

There are a lot of things that often have no clear demarcations visible to the naked eye. Colors for one. Or dog breeds. Or plants.

That's really a moot point, I fear.

Anything better?

just read some studies about genetics differences, variation and how much of a human is genetic.
tl;dr is the normal and the mainstream understanding of race is pretty incorrect and there are a lot of questions that are yet to be answered with facts rather than theory about humans.
one theory says it's the environment and lack of contact that shaped humans in primitive societies
some say differences come because whites fucked neanderthals, asians fucked denisovans and blacks fucked each other
some say it's just some random genetic mutations that became prominent.
however none of those support most of Zig Forumstards and borderline racist "race realist" theories

Interesting info, and might I ask what would change if the theory of Mono-Genesis was abandoned in favor of Poly-Genesis?

and what would something that is not "visible to the naked eye" mean to you?

" And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the :boundaries of their dwelling place, " - Acts 17:26 (Looks like God is an Ethno-Nationalist.)

It's funny that you're only addressing the worst, least effort posts here.

lul no, that just means God made every nation which entails a territory, borders and population you dense fuck

Don't see anything in there about white people though. Reminder that amerimutt ethnats and their allows think that French and British nationals are both "white." It's a political term and nothing more.

Southern Europeans aren't white.

People will argue over semantics in this thread.
Liberals want idealistic equality, this is an impossible goal but they will continue for it because only by persuing idealistic equality can they justify materialistic inequality. To them the idea that there are different subsets of people and these people can be different is anathema. They are not socialists, and not the left.

The socialist stance on race is that it doesnt matter. People will pedantically argue over definitions but nobody will question that different subgroups of humans adapted to their native environments differently, producing various sets of strengths and weaknesses unique to that habitat, socialists object to arguing from this because it can only ever result in counterproductive outcomes or reactionary motivations. Different humans are different, socialism is not trying to make them the same. Social equality requires legal and production equality. When these things are obtained everyone will be as equal as you can objectively make people and people will be secure with out having to worry about losing their community, dignity, or life. The differences of humans simply wont matter anymore. The stupid humans will do simple tasks, the strong humans will do more laborious tasks, people have their own unique aptitudes and abilities each, and while there are correlations of averages between subgroups these facts are meaningless because there are vast overlaps and in a socially equal society everyone will simply do something they are personally suited for.

I did and I came to the conclusion that there are a lot of differences between people who have European ethnicity and ancestry versus people who have African ethnicity annd ancestry, see

You can accept that people are different but refuse the idea of racial superiority. That's a correct take. I think the polemic most people have with right-wing conceptions of race is that it was politically constructed to justify hegemony rather than hurr durr le epic radlib color blindness theory.

But people like that Hana or whatever guy in that Destiny/Nick/Sargon/Fuckme debate the last night literally laughed about race and "race realism" as if races weren't real. That's my only thing here.

I don't believe anyone is superior, makes no sense.

What is race? Complexion? phenotypes?
superficial differences.
spooky shit.

thinking that different races living together is impossible or inherently destructive is complete insanity, you must admit this, even as a Zig Forums user…. right?

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But the implications behind "race realism" are exactly the ones that I mentioned earlier. It's not new. It's a rebranded version of the hierarchy of races (an outright Nazi will admit this, a cryptofascist like Sargon probably won't though).

Basically what said, differences are superficial. A lot more of our behaviors, traits, physical and mental capabilities are learned/developed throughout our lives rather than inherited.

Then again, I haven't watched the debate so I'll avoid making too many assumptions about it.

I literally went through this here and the discussion starting here .

This, really. Race is superficial and has shitloads of spookery surrounding it, the right's obsession with it is an interesting case study, if nothing else.

when speaking scientifically "a lot of differences" means same level of differences as between it is with the difference between a dog and a bear.
nose width, melanin, lips size are very insignificant when comparing genes. the bodies of north sentinel island natives and an Irish man function in the exact same way.
there wasn't a long enough separation and lack of contact for significant differences to accumulate.
btw the study targeted ethnicities and countries in the world not "blacks" or "africans" or "whites" because those terms are misleading

Anything about what you said contradicts environmental adaptation.

No it doesn't.

You kinda do what you castigate your Zig Forums bogeyman for and strawman. At least here no one argued that you can so easily categorize race.

It's undisputable that, in general, different races have distinct phenotypical traits, though. Skin is the obvious one, slit eyes, nose and FWHR differences, eye color, skull shape, height, torso-to-limb ratio, ass/tit/dick size, hair. Not really disagreeing but just felt like adding that.

Since we all agree environmental adaptation and morphological differences are real but people have qualms with semantics, why not just come up with something better than "race" everyone can agree with?

Make a suggestion.

Oh yeah, I meant to say nothing, not anything.

I wonder why people prefer living in their own neighbourhoods instead of multiracial ones.

Why do I must admit something that's empirically false?

I wonder why people prefer to binge on ice cream instead of being healthy.

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based and jong pilled

most people don't have a choice to live where they want… you know how much housing properties are today?

have you ever met a racial minority in real life? if so, what was your experience?

I grew up in the suburbs and went to state schools, met plenty of people of African, Caribbean and Asian descent.

which people? I have literally never met anyone who believes this in real life and ive been all over, in prison, in many different jobs, all over the world. I am sure people do believe this, i have met many racist people, but generally speaking this is not a true statement

Because of racial bias and historic segregation lmao, and this racial bias will continue to exist forever in capitalism because, when two groups are pinned against each other to compete, members of one in-group will eventually want to stomp on the out-group. This is proven fact.

The problem with what you're saying is not that these things aren't true, but the fact that they are blown out of proportion is not simply coincidental. It doesn't come out of a vacuum and into the discourse of the alt-right. Race is a political statement with political implications in the political world.

i cant really be assed to engage in debates with religious fanatics, its not like i am actually going to convince you of your bullshit.

Instead, why should i give a fuck about race over economic issues. I live in a place (scotland) where the most dangerous neighbourhoods are white and the prisons are mostly full of white people.

By 'healthy' you mean 'normal'? Well, what was the norm for thousands of years?

Brain mass in adults is also included in the subracial differerences, as well as different developments in certain regions.

Are you retarded? What would anecdotes serve?

well, witht he exception of whites who pretty much offer themselves up at this point and want to be stomped, like you and most libtards.

I live in Northern England. Same thing here. Quite obvious that poverty and trauma creates violence.

Yeah lol, that's why the far-right is at a record high in a time where racial tensions are especially high, right? Retard.
csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

I'm a communist though. Also you should be banned from life for unironically calling someone that.

Some ppl generally have stronger legs, bigger dicks and darker skin, so what?
As long as there are dumb whites and smart blacks, any kind of action that doesn't also involve the culling of dumb whites, aka the supporters of "race realism", is hypocritical.
Furthermore what would an evolutionary adaptation argument for whites being smarter even be?
What conditions existed in europe for at least 1 millenium that made whites significantly smarter through evolution?

No, I literally mean healthy. If it was the norm to be fat, it would not be healthy. My point was that people's tendencies towards something don't dictate rightness.

Matter of race is irrelevant if every single individual is different but equal.

come hang out in the part of boon town that I was raised in, I guarantee you the worst and most violent of Scottish criminals can't hold a candle to the depravity, hyper violence, and over all sociopathy of the basic negro criminal.

I guarantee it

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you are the one speaking through your isolated experience, obviously. You don't have common sense or facts on your side. i was just wondering what caused you to become a racist.

may I interest you in some criminal statistics stratified by race?

That may be true but racial biases are and have been prevalent all around the world not just limited to capitalist societies.

some young kid who smoked weed then got curbstomped by cops

The problem with "race realism" is that human genoma is far more diverse than phenotipycal traits can describe, really. There are differences between people of distinct races, no doubt there, but there are also differences between people with distinct hair/eye color, hand sizes, height, etc. (red heads are believed to be more sensitive to pain, for exemple). The thing is: why make a case in favor of racial categorizations at all if there is so many subgroups and genetic variations? Why being a brunette isn't a racial category? Because it's political. Race is a social construct - a artificial gruop created to justify the materialistic/economic developments that lead to certain inequalities. What you're doing is advocating for tribalism, not being "realistic".

lel if you actually believe that, just more proof you're another gullible white shitlib that never so much as came within 20 miles of a majority PoC area

The implication was not that it didn't exist before, but that capitalism doesn't have the potential to end racism when you are competing for your livelihood all the time ("dey dook our jerbs" type of rhetoric).

is there a 15 Autism Level gap between brunettes and non brunettes along with ridiculously disparate violent crime rates? no?

race isn't only skin deep, it's hilarious you think we hate the negros just because they're dark and look kinda funny

You would interest me a whole hell of a lot more if you considered their context for once.

But what is supposed to be so unhealthy about it? After all, if they live in seperate territories they do not compete as strongly for resources and there is less conflict.

i wish the boons actually worked instead of chimping round the clock and scamming welfare it would definitely be a step up

But most welfare recipients are white tho

the second you have an actual argument, do get back to us.

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it is sad that so many young people have been brainwashed by racists on the internet. there's a reason so many neo-nazis are pedos. it is a cult designed to groom victims for the sake of power, there is no truth to this madness, OP. please see that you have been fooled. Look into your heart.

you are vunlerable from your bad childhood and adolescence, and people have sold you "meaning" beyond the pain, but you must rise above hate. Save your soul. I love you. I want you to get better.

it is a statistical reality.

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what is so wrong with hate tho

i'd ask if you have anything beyond angry ranting, but…

i have been to prison, ive seen people slashed up in front of me, ive met people who shot their girlfriend and laugh about it. Believe me its not racial

what is that supposed to mean?

if nogs are being locked up for marijuana it's only because they have a previous record and are accepting plea deals

plz go live in a PoC majority for a while and get back to me

There are more than 2 times more white welfare recipients than black ones my negro. Also a considerable part of them are employed lol

do you understand what per capita means? there are four times as many white people as there are negros here

pick up a fucking book, why does the right never put any effort into understanding socioeconomics.

hate makes us unhappy. We all know that feeling of helping an old lady with her shopping bags or giving money to a homeless man exceeds any joe in hatred. If the illusion of hatred can be broken with such simple acts of kindness, which make us feel good, then it is not worth our time.

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that would be anecdotal evidence. i thought you were against that? :^)

I've read plenty of books in Autism Level differences between the races along with differences in brain and brain convolution between them maybe you should read a book on race realism instead of reading sociological pseudoscience

peak leftypol

i live in an area that is almost exclusively blacks asians and slavs, southern slavs to boot. I am telling you the white neighbourhoods are the most dangerous. There are more petty thefts here, not violent ones, like bike theft etc, but it is nowhere near as violent as the white neighbourhoods, where i used to live the preffered method of getting back at someone who disrespected you was dropping a paving slab on them from a height (lots of high rises round there)

I think you're the one who doesn't my Nazi friend

go look up the criminal stats then. especially the stats on violent crime.

I can tell you are average Autism Level at best. Refusing to view anything through a racial schema will make you miss a lot of obvious things. Like why blacks will always be at the bottom strata of our socioeconomic pyramid and worse off than poor whites. Its not because of their oppressed history or the system being rigged against them; it is because they are fundamentally different and come from a race than has not evolved the brainpower to create (or function with a high success rate in) developed societies.

did you even read what I posted. this isn't about muh eye-que, it's about deep and longstanding social and economic differences, difficulties and disparities. you utter brainlet.

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Hatred is no illusion and I have every right to hate anyone who is malicious towards me, my family or my friends.

in scotland per capita its whites who do the most

You people still worry about race😏while the richer get richer

they all stem from that base difference in Autism Level

That's like saying punk unicorn sightings are at a record high.

I can tell.

Facts for what? And why are you asking me for anecdotes if you want facts?

Holy shit this board is literal low-IQ containment

SEE? This is why we're right-leaning fellas. We want no part in any of this shit here. Holy smokes guys.