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Overall, very insightful reply, screencap'd, thank you.
Meming Ourselves to Elivate Ourselves
Parker Kelly
Jose Brown
Just got home, thank you.
Anyways for some more useful advice, your best bet to successfully meme isn't to just copy Zig Forums memes and put a red filter over them, it isn't to make rambling memes about society, use the best marketing tool at your disposal: class hatred.
People *hate* the rich, which is why I'm all the more surprised the left doesn't focus on class hatred more. You have so many good examples to capitalize on, but you never seem to follow up on them. Think about how cringey "Life of A Billionaire's Son" was! Yet the people that seemed to discuss it the most were people that generally fall into the cyber right.
Think about this, why are SJWs so annoying, so easy to hate, that they can actually make even liberal people sympathetic to racist narratives? The answer is because they personally insult people.
More than all their traits resulting in a smug, out of touch, condescending asshole, they personally insult large swathes of people. When they chant "destroy whiteness" or groan that a place is "insufferably white", they do so knowing that they will piss people off, and get their kicks from pissing them off.
Look, I'm a white guy, I hear someone say a place has "too many white people" or that it's "insufferably white" or smugly talk about "white male privilege" while I'm trying to pay the bills, I get pissed off. Now imagine a bunch of lonely, socially alienated White guys hearing day in and day out how "white people suck" or how they have "life on easy mode" or something, and these people will hate these SJWs even more.
Don't just meme the immorality of the rich, don't even count on people to be affected by morality, instead meme their insufferability. Find any and every example of some smug rich asshole talking shit about, say, retail workers or Fast Food Employees, and just blow it up. Share it with as many people as possible. I'm talking real insufferable shit, especially if they start calling workers "poors" or other kinds of derisive terminology.
Maybe even make a subreddit, "wealthinaction" or something, entirely devoted to depicting the rich as a class of insufferable cunts who sneer at the average working man.
Twitter and the like are great for this. You don't want an impersonal kind of insufferability, you want something personal and very harsh. You ideally want a rich person at their most sneering and condescending, lines like "Sorry, no change for worthless bums XD" or "If you don't own a home by 30, how does it feel being a total failure?" are great.
It doesn't matter if you have to make the accounts to post this shit, Zig Forums does it all the time with fake "SJW" accounts. Learn from Zig Forums, realize that they never put their ideology first, they rarely try to "sell" nazism to people initially, but rather stoke their hatred of minorities/fears of being displaced, then offer nazism as the supposed solution.
Austin Martin
Sounds like a nice idea. I've wanted such a subreddit for a while : reddit.com
I'll mod whoever wants to mod just dm me. Have fun
Hunter Harris
I was posting about this in the other thread, but I suppose my question is how do you go from memes to socialism? It seems like a reactive art form that functions like a commodity in a sense that it's mass produced, endlessly duplicated, and has this kind of mystic power in which "social relations between men themselves assume… the fantastic form of a relation between things," yada yada.
Another point that Woodley makes is that fascists often do not act according to their own ideological agenda. The fascist support for Donald Trump during the 2016 election and the proliferation of memes supporting him from fascists is a case in point of this. But they can't really think or act critically, which is what makes them fascists, and is why they're so "good" at meme culture in a sense.
Dylan Young
You don't, memes are just a bait to get people read more serious stuff. Even good ideas have to get attention with "clickbait" in a world where one is constantly distracted by ads, phone notifications, urges to check Instagram feed for the 15th time today, etc.
Isaac Lewis
Anyone that says that you can't meme socialism needs a lesson in Capitalism.
I got a degree in marketing, the sad truth is that everything can be sold to anyone, if you just user the right terms. Fascists understand this implicitly, leftists struggle with it, though I would imagine that's in part due to the kind of people the left attracts. Many of us, even many radical liberals, they hate this consumerism, they hate this idea that everything has a price, the dollar is this almighty idol, they hate hate hate it.
The idea that even Socialism can sell, then, is horrifying to them because leftist politics were this kind of retreat from a mass consumerism. If you want your ideology to "sell", think like a marketer.
Now, you come into my office, you say you have this great advertising campaign: it's more than a paragraph of text. I ignore it, I move on.
You come in, and you say you want the ad campaign to point people to read more serious stuff. You were close, but no cigar.
The especially awful, eldritch madness tier truth about Capitalism, is that most people don't have any clue what the hell they're buying. Let me give another example: I have a PC, I built it myself, my dad has a Macintosh. A part in my PC breaks down and I have to shell out a couple hundred for a new one. My dad's macbook breaks, and he buys another for the low low price of $4000.
And what can a macbook do? Run video games? Nope. Does it have Microsoft Office, these really useful business tools? Nada. So what good is it? By all accounts, from my perspective, it's just a useless PC.
But everytime that macbook breaks, he goes to buy a new one. He keeps coming back to it, and while he'll feed me some sales line about how "It has less viruses than Windows!" the truth is that's not why he's buying it.
Do you think any peasant in the Russian Revolution actually read Marx? Hell, do you think they were even informed about Marxism? Kerensky once remarked that when he was fleeing Moscow, he saw some graffiti on the wall that said "Down with the Jew Kerensky, long live Trotsky!"
The fact is that the "fanboys", the people who read the owner's manual, the people that obsess about the lore, they're a tiny fraction of every mass movement and would probably end up as Priests or Monks if they'd gotten into religion.
The goal isn't to get them to read more, the goal isn't even to get them to know what it is they're fighting for, the goal is to just get them to fight. Of course you'd need a party apparatus to get them fighting the right people.
Caleb Lee
Zig Forums sells, because Zig Forums knows its audience.
What do lonely young men, new age quacks, terrorists, and flat earthers have in common? Well they're all desperately trying to fill an existential void. It's unlikely any of that new age crap actually *works*, and its unlikely that the people who buy healing crystals don't realize in the back of their mind, that it's all bullshit, but they buy it regardless because it makes them feel special. Because it is an outlet for conversation and group sentiment. Because it makes them feel like they're good at something.
I have a buddy, really right wing guy. He's told me another time–as we're both Catholic–that we "need another crusade", he never says against who or what, he never makes any allusions to it, just abstractions that he wants to "die for something" or fight for some cause. He doesn't know the first thing about who they'd be fighting, killing, and dying against, he doesn't know why we need one, he just "knows" we "need" one.
In truth, *he* needs one, because his life is boring and safe and routine: work, hang out with friends and family at his house, play video games.
Islamaphobes like to bring up that many of these terrorists are not "poor" in any sense of the world, they don't have this storybook backstory that they were driven to terrorism because of the injustices of the world stacked against them, it's because these young men, like Zig Forums, were lonely and socially alienated and bored.
So Zig Forums has the benefit of appealing to the usual things society tells us would make men happy: a house, being free of debt, having a wife and two kids, that pristine 60's sitcom family. They want to be at a healthy weight, they want to meet new people, make friends, and they want to feel like their life has meaning, that they're useful, that they're good at something, that they're really living. All these normal human desires can be twisted in anyone and make them come out as a murderous freak.
You got to realize this, and then use it as your avenue of attack, use it to sell your idea: that socialism will make you feel safe and content. Don't do this by trying to dissuade them of their culturally inherited notions, don't even bother with that, instead, talk about free time.
Think about a shift that lasts only four hours per day, you still have all your needs met, at the drop of a hat you could go to any place on earth and simply travel. You could pursue any hobby you want, and the best part is that those rich cunts that are making you feel miserable would be gone.
Sounds nice, right?
Parker Bennett
Why is every post in here a wall of text with Reddit spacing?
Blake Myers
First, you need to learn how to meme.
Hudson Williams
Not a real thing. Here's a wall of text with Reddit spacing since you enjoy that sort of thing. We understand you better than you understand us because many of us used to be like you.