Repeatedly tolerates literal open cops being in the org

I hear you but the problem is that since trumps election the vast majority of Democrat Cops of America action has been nonsense and the majority of the org is theoretically still liberal rather than libersl. Many of the further Left chapters were people who were already radicalized attempting to do entryism and getting cucked by the leadership whose primary project is still to build a Nordic welfare system in America. They aren t even the type of socdems who genuinely believe you can gradually push that model into a legitimate socialist society either (such as many pre-1980s Swede socdems who were essentially titoists) they literally just want to stop at modern day Norway and call it a day

I'm not defending them either particularly not PSL which is almost worse than the Democrat Cops of America in some ways but the thing is you can't just write off a lack of discipline asbeing about recruiting people. You eventually need to start pushing an actual radical program or else the org will just fall into liberalism

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There was one guy in Austin who organized a pig union who was ousted by local members who flooded into the chapter after the 2016 election. I think D*SA has become more radical since then compared to the old guard. This is/was one of the contradictions / tension points. This is hilarious though.

Most of the people in the org have never read a page of Marx. It's going to take a lot of work. This is America we're talking about and it takes a lot of effort to encounter this stuff especially if you're working all the time and only want to veg out in front of the T.V. at night. Americans are so stressed and beaten down…. it's sad
I don't have a problem with this. If you think the biggest problem with liberalism is that you can't say retard or faggot then I've got bad news that the real problems of liberalism are much worse than that. The chans brain poison people about this PC stuff IMO.
Agreed. This is to the PSL's credit.
The idea that that guy has a "cult of personality" is ridiculous. He's not Stalin. Stop being hyperbolic.
That is not my impression. Petit-bourg yeah a bit but actually very few college students in my area. Mostly working adults in their late twenties, early thirties – that's the median age I would say. The people I've met have a pretty wide variety of jobs.

Well, I basically agree with you about this larger criticism here which is why I've become interested in Leninism and checking out those orgs. But I'm so depressed at the state of things, and I don't see a revolution as possible in the U.S. anyways, and our healthcare system is fucking disgusting and sick and just absolutely insane – and it's surprising to me health insurance executives aren't living in mortal fear of the public – and I'd like to maybe have a civilized system before I'm an old man. Crossing my fingers. I don't really know what to do, though.

I mean the serious Leninist approach to take vis-a-vis D*SA is to be critical but polite. It should be a productive and constructive educational task, mainly. Just going aggro doesn't work and you'll just come across as aggro.

This is the thing thiugh. If Democrat Cops of America does become a legitimate threat it's going to have to be you and people like you organizing a sort of coup. Otherwise it's just a shot of heroin to someone with cancer

A lot of people didn't think Russia could overthrow tsarism including Lenin himself at one point. Thats why its called a class struggle

come across as ultras I mean, like anarchists

Go back

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As long the cop isn't "racist white" or a "rapist male", they're golden.

Reminds me of this bitch

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You're right about that. But last thing I'll say along this theme is that the Leninists I've met around have been very swell, smart and interesting people. I've gotten some slight teasing from them, but by the comparison the anarchists locally around here are – excuse my language – complete retards and a liability to everyone around them including themselves. That's just my local area though. I'm not going to dish on the details but Jesus fucking Christ if you only knew. And a part of that is ultra-leftist arrogance and all that usual bullshit

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She's not a D*SA member and her politics are blegh but she's probably been the most effective antifascist because of her tech skills. I'm not certain but I think that whole Discord emulator database for leaked Nazi servers is her work. That has done a tremendous amount of damage to the organized neo-Nazi scene in the United States which is why she's bopping around several countries because the Nazis want to kill her. I'm not complaining.

Serious question: do you think that big tent parties have potential? Are they of any use to communists? Think of it - a naive social democrat enters a big tent party and gets in touch with communists who are in the same circuit.

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My man antifascism in America is pretty much a liberal project at this point. I mean in an abstract sense it's good to not let reactionaries get too organized but the majority of people who do shit like what you're talking about literally devote all their time to that and nothing else.

I've always said that if antifa and people adjacent to them want to be taken seriously they should do what they do to all the fat 4chan nerds to actual cops and politicians and porkies. They don't because a lot of them literally didn't care about politics until Trump got elected and the media claimed the alt right was "rising" (which is half true but it was heavily sensationalized) and all of their political action is almost uniformly in response to those two things and will go away the second joe biden becomes president

I mean democratic cops aren't great but this is straight idealism

It's literally all about who's leading and directing it. Of course something like what you said is possible but the fags that head the Democrat Cops of America are open and committed reformists who blatantly say anything beyond Nordic welfare doesn't interest them and have repeatedly stifled or discouraged more radical elements of Democrat Cops of America to propagate themselves

If the Democrat Cops of America mutinied or a significant amount of their members went elsewhere like the IWW which is more focused on directly organizing workers and doing practical community programs than electoralism and Overton window bullshit it would help but i don't see that happening.

Another thing is the "naive social Democrat walks into a communist bar and becomes a commie" thing only happens so many times. Eventually you get people who are fine with just being socdems and will actively fight anything to their left the same way third way centrist Dems do now with social democrats. At some point the org has to both take a radical turn and directly go to the working class and also people like the homeless. To their credit Democrat Cops of America has done a bit of work like this but it's sporadic and doesn't seem to be a priority at all

Left anarchism is pretty much dead in the US. It got taken over by weird post-left lifestyle shit.

I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not saying theory alone would have saved the proles the socdems stabbed in the back I meant that the lack of radical theory which structures how the socdems went about their organization and praxis meant it all added up to nothing

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You're a little bit dense aren't ya?
Not an argument, try better.
Considering the entire strike as inherently based in deconstructing the neoliberalisation of education maybe you should pull your head out of your arse?
That one woman lead the largest education strike in US history, so obviously doesn't mean fuck yeah.
Stay mad faggot.

Or maybe people would realize the system is fucked with or without Sanders. I don't understand this doomer-tier pessimism

Imagine actually thinking occupy wall,Street worked

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The Dee Ess Aye has always been explicitly collaborationist towards the Democrats since its inception so I don't know what anybody expected. Just take advantage of their numbers when applicable and don't bother trying to enforce ideological consistency.

Is Assergate real or fake?

I don't have a problem with that. Frees up everyone else to do more important things. I also think every socialist group should have a dedicated person who works on this, mainly as internal security responsible for uncovering potential threats locally since organized far-right groups in the United States have a propensity for targeting even moderate socialist groups like this for violence. Act like a professional here and take some personal responsiblity for your safety and that of your struggle buddies.

This is the case where I live where the moment the local socialist club formed up, one of the guys running it started noticing he was being stalked by these young College Republican dicknuggets who had been recruited by an Identity Evropa guy. Anyways, the main fasc behind this was later doxxed by antifascists (totally anonymous and living a thousand miles away for all I know) as part of a national campaign and so they don't stalk the local socialists anymore. One of the young conservative guys who learned of this also didn't approve and snitched on the fasc, which uncovered how this coward was trying to recruit these impressionable young guys into following socialists around and looking for opportunities to beat them up. But this guy would never do anything like that himself because he's a coward.
Taken seriously by whom? The only people who need to take them seriously as the fasc. A lot of this "they must follow the correct political line" stuff is counter-productive and gets in the way of the task at hand. Like this is basically the old Popular Front model. You can say "oh but that didn't work in Spain" but that was Spain. Anyways I'm fine with liberals participating.

I mean it's easy to post Lenin memes but there is literally zero Leninist organization where I live. What do you want me to do? Read Lenin, yes, and I am, but he worked on the revolution for 30 years and that was Lenin we're talking about here. This is a decades-long project.

Completely ass-pulled. American anarkiddies call anyone a "Strasserist" if they're leftist but don't obsess over identity politics.

kek

I think it's a bit funny how that bitch came up the second after the DODGE CHALLENGER OF PEACE

She was standing a few feet away with an AR-15 rifle and readied it to shoot the guy in case he got out to open fire.

Basically she got radicalized because she was beat up by the mob with the tiki torches the night before. Came back strapped.

The more general point is there's a similar thing with the D*SA. They're the ones who actually show up to stuff a lot of the time, so people will follow them. Another thing is that for all the people who post about Lenin here, they don't seem to have really read him, since a lot of what turns people into socialists is an active struggle and not sitting around like a monk in a cave.

But identity politics are exclusively a right-wing phenomenon?

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Social democracy is the left wing of fascism, so yes, the socdems are str*sserites.

He is kind of right though about Twitter lefties just throwing around the accusation of being an "asserist" and "nazbol" on the fly. Bat'ko even does it now.

Good god, how a man has fallen. From memeing to defending necrophilia because you gotta protect da womyn.

I believe 80 % of the problem is that they allow people as members who aren't working class. Would be cool if a working-class caucus formed with a minimalist and invariant program of this modest goal: proportional representation of the working class in decision bodies, and together with that, a browser plugin/website/whatever thing to tag people who aren't working class on social media. Imagine a world where everybody who is e.g. a landlord has that word as a tag next to everything they post on twitter, facebook etc… People like landlords could still attend meetings, but they would be required to wear a button with a pig head. Speaking time would be apportioned in proportion to how big the group of bosses and landlords is in the real world.

When did he do that?

this is what you sound like

I thought that last one was an anti idpol meme at first

Bumping because I am reading the foundations of Leninism right now and I thought this passage where Stalin describes the pre-war 2nd international is almost a 1-1 mirror of the Democrat Cops of America today and other demsoc orgs in the 1st world

Second International, its methods of work, its arsenal.

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