I hear you but the problem is that since trumps election the vast majority of Democrat Cops of America action has been nonsense and the majority of the org is theoretically still liberal rather than libersl. Many of the further Left chapters were people who were already radicalized attempting to do entryism and getting cucked by the leadership whose primary project is still to build a Nordic welfare system in America. They aren t even the type of socdems who genuinely believe you can gradually push that model into a legitimate socialist society either (such as many pre-1980s Swede socdems who were essentially titoists) they literally just want to stop at modern day Norway and call it a day
I'm not defending them either particularly not PSL which is almost worse than the Democrat Cops of America in some ways but the thing is you can't just write off a lack of discipline asbeing about recruiting people. You eventually need to start pushing an actual radical program or else the org will just fall into liberalism
There was one guy in Austin who organized a pig union who was ousted by local members who flooded into the chapter after the 2016 election. I think D*SA has become more radical since then compared to the old guard. This is/was one of the contradictions / tension points. This is hilarious though.
Most of the people in the org have never read a page of Marx. It's going to take a lot of work. This is America we're talking about and it takes a lot of effort to encounter this stuff especially if you're working all the time and only want to veg out in front of the T.V. at night. Americans are so stressed and beaten down…. it's sad I don't have a problem with this. If you think the biggest problem with liberalism is that you can't say retard or faggot then I've got bad news that the real problems of liberalism are much worse than that. The chans brain poison people about this PC stuff IMO. Agreed. This is to the PSL's credit. The idea that that guy has a "cult of personality" is ridiculous. He's not Stalin. Stop being hyperbolic. That is not my impression. Petit-bourg yeah a bit but actually very few college students in my area. Mostly working adults in their late twenties, early thirties – that's the median age I would say. The people I've met have a pretty wide variety of jobs.
Well, I basically agree with you about this larger criticism here which is why I've become interested in Leninism and checking out those orgs. But I'm so depressed at the state of things, and I don't see a revolution as possible in the U.S. anyways, and our healthcare system is fucking disgusting and sick and just absolutely insane – and it's surprising to me health insurance executives aren't living in mortal fear of the public – and I'd like to maybe have a civilized system before I'm an old man. Crossing my fingers. I don't really know what to do, though.
Noah Mitchell
I mean the serious Leninist approach to take vis-a-vis D*SA is to be critical but polite. It should be a productive and constructive educational task, mainly. Just going aggro doesn't work and you'll just come across as aggro.
Caleb Campbell
This is the thing thiugh. If Democrat Cops of America does become a legitimate threat it's going to have to be you and people like you organizing a sort of coup. Otherwise it's just a shot of heroin to someone with cancer
A lot of people didn't think Russia could overthrow tsarism including Lenin himself at one point. Thats why its called a class struggle
You're right about that. But last thing I'll say along this theme is that the Leninists I've met around have been very swell, smart and interesting people. I've gotten some slight teasing from them, but by the comparison the anarchists locally around here are – excuse my language – complete retards and a liability to everyone around them including themselves. That's just my local area though. I'm not going to dish on the details but Jesus fucking Christ if you only knew. And a part of that is ultra-leftist arrogance and all that usual bullshit
