EFF makes gains in SA elections

Do you have a video? IIRC he was supportive of Deng's reforms

BASED DENG GANG TAKES ANOTHER COUNTRY

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Dengism isn’t socialism or communism, it’s just boring social democracy with a bit of authoritarianism through in. It’s stupid, and those that support it are still stupid.

Old TRT video and article, granted they're bourgeois but what he said is shit
trtworld.com/magazine/what-does-julius-malema-want-18132

oldschool paternalist social democracy, even
a bit similar to interwar right-socdem in Europe maybe
not to derail this interesting thread too much but how do leftist supporters of China reconcile with the fact that the current CPC is firmly class-collaborationist (represents both "the masses" and the "advanced productive forces") but still calls itself communist?

I'm just doing it to trigger my father. I mean he's also triggered by my support for Mao.
I'm taking the stance Mao did mostly the right thing in his domestic policies and everything after Deng has degenerated China into yet another capitalist state.
He can't get his head around modern china being similar to the United States and actually thinks it's worst.

The problem is that this isn’t productive in the construction of mass movements, this is just teenage rebellion, which if you want to do it fine, but leave politics out of it, if you don’t you’ll make socialism (even more) unappeling to boomers.

His fault, we were talking about Mao and he decided to go off on a tangent about Xi when he damn well know he's a revisionist and have little to do with what we're talking about. I messaged him about how Mao was the first to outlaw Concubines in China with the establishment of Communist China in 1949.
Being anti-deg*nerate I thought would be appealing to boomers but I guess they are too far gone into the NPC rabbit hole with radio talk show hosts and infowars because he imminently replied with some irrevelent criticism of modern China about Human trafficing of Christians in China today, then "China is bad".
He thinks 80 million died in the great leap forward, laogai prison camps housed 20 million at a time and the usual anti communist stuff. He also went off about Venezuela even though we were not talking about it. It's like this stuff is programmed into his brain. His spam of links from heritage foundation was annoying.

You should probably ask some people in the history thread for infographics.

I saw that episode and all that was pointed out is how Malema talked so lightly about considering killing white people in South Africa. That isn't communism.

Their 2019 election manifesto did not once mention "capitalism", "socialism", or "communism", so take that how you will.

>>>/liberalpol/
the clip is taken out of context
also,
kill the boer

AZAPO>EFF

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What is the context then, bucko?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(South_Africa)
SOUTH AFRICAN LABOUR WAS NAZBOL

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Tbh this makes no sense considering South Africa is well into a capitalist stage of development: it's GDP per capita is what Western Europe's was in the 1960s, and it has mostly an industrial proletariat in both the cities and countryside. In addition, the feudalistic structures that existed are all-but-gone economically, and it's farming operates on a capitalist mode of production. There is no reason that it could not transition to a form of real socialism through proletarian revolution.

Wow, you found a really cool microsect!

Don't you insult the name of Biko like that you fucking prick.

Imagine being the leader of a socialist organization and getting dunked by a dumb liberal and the whole "socialism has a poor track record" without a proper fucking response. Up your fucking game, Malema. Socialists put the first man in space and you let him get away with a dumb statement like that with no better counter than "muh China". Fucking pathetic.

Why the fuck is this still a thing? I know it made sense during apartheid, however the SACP by continuing to be part of it, are just shooting themselves in the foot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Alliance

The SACP are every bit as neoliberal as the ANC

Color me surprised
t. butthurt SACP

If that’s true what’s even the point of they calling themselves communist.

The same reason the French, German, and Spanish "Socialist" parties still have the name, branding

Okay, but EFF are not really Communist. They are an ANC splinter that support Zuma style governance and are full of corrupt opportunists. It's not even a secret.
I voted for them in the last election just to give the ANC a wake up call and was gifted with Zuma getting the boot.
I've not forgotten Melena pledging to die for Zuma and ANC leadership.

This person gets some of it. My father hates what the ANC has become but still participates in their dumb meetings to try to change course.

He doesn't trust EFF leadership, and he's personally meet a few of those people.

I''m not some highly educated sociologist or South African political expert, my old man is too close to this stuff. I am kinda apathetic, and honestly embarrassed to be South African.
However, If veterans like my dad who actually fought for democracy and all that equality stuff dislike Melena, then I don't have much reason to disagree with them.

Stupid autocorrect.

Question, would setting up a Boer-oriented Labour party be worth it in South Africa?

no

the only thing we should orient towards boers is a rifle

It'll probably end up like labor-Zionism and that was the foundation of the state of Israel which is til this day, an apartheid-state. So no, not worth it.

Okay, then how do you engage the Boer proletariat in the socialist movement: because the EFF is doing the opposite of that.

the entire white population of SA is like 10%. Most of them are bourgeois. The "Boer proletariat"s opinion literally doesn't matter.

Not true; Boer proles vote ANC or EFF.

Worse, the bulk of Afrikaners are land-owning farmers.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

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That party is cringe…

They claim they are inspired by Sankara, but in reality they behave like Mugabe

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Mugabe did nothing wrong, the only reason Zimbabwe turned out the way it did was because of the IMF.

I love how Nazis love Rhodesia but by that same viewpoint then they should be okay with anuddah shoah. Oh wait, Nazis don't make sense.

I think massacring white population is wrong.

And yeah Nutzis and Zig Forumsypinos are retards.

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Marx cleanly said that we need to kill all Whites. Didn't you read his book about Cultural Marxism Comrade?

Ah, yeah. I forgot.

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The IMF, who were not in the country when it was Rhodesia, and were invited into Zimbabwe under Mugabe.

boontown is finally going to fun by the boons

twitter.com/matigary/status/1079722774946607104

Who's that guy?

Who’d’ve thought, also this guy makes no sense.

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That Malema boi looks like epic brainlet

okay Big Brain

Excuse me sir

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Where's the lie though?

So you guys are okay with all of the antics of herr Malema?

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he is just brainlet. another wannabe Castro. he uses marxist leninist rhetoric because he think thats cool and hip

Lol

EFF is proto fascist. SACP is right

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What has the SACP said specifically?

They repeatedly called them proto fascists and cheap populists

news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/SACP-slates-proto-fascist-EFF-20150308

politicsweb.co.za/documents/effs-attacks-on-gordhan-despicable--sacp

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People who still support the ANC.

That might be true but when has the SACP actually stood up against the ANC's neoliberal bullshit? Why keep the Tripartite alliance when the ANC can't even do land reform?

they are only making gains because they are racist, not because communism is becoming popular. How many whites or coloureds do you think voted for the EFF?

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Fuck, the last thing we need is yet another genocide under our name. We should come up with some consensus on why SA wasn't real communism for when the boer start getting slaughtered.

I don't know much about them, tbh.

Yeah, but Malema repeatedly said that he isn't against killing whites or that they should be servants of blacks.

Outliers who don't matter, even Trump has black supporters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_South_Africa#2019_general_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa
Democratic Alliance got 20% of the voters, and the non-black share of the population is about 20%. About the same as last time, it's essentially the non-black party

Maybe they declared they are "marxist leninist" but in reality EFF is just left black nationalist party. Also Malema thinks that China is socialist>>2890882
Malema is just dengist thug, nothing really marxist about him.

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That's the spirit. Hopefully people will believe that crap.

lol, it's a fact, they do not need to "believe" that

Based

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color me surprised

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sauce of that image?

faggot new

They probably also vote for Freedom Front + and some other almost insignificant party.
Afrikaner =/= Boer. They have a sort of lower to middle-class liberal Euro city dweller verse American nationalistic conservative cowboy farmer thingy; divide…

Not most folks I know, but he holds a fire to the ANC and DA. Read a survey that suggested most people have little problem voting for rando parties in provincial elections but would prefer ANC remain in control of national government.
EFF have and will probably always be opportunistic tossers.

Much respect for some folks in SACP.

It does that all the time.

Has to be fake. True that most support comes from really poor folks though. However, the majority of the poor support ANC.

web.archive.org/web/20140222022154/http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=534039&sn=Marketingweb detail&pid=90389

tbh if I was a black South Africa I'd probably be a fucking black nationalist too

Source?

So any thoughts on this?
youtube.com/watch?v=R-F9aJDvsNA

Context needed

There was a protest at the University of the Free State in Bloemfontein over outsourcing janitors to private companies (lower paid, fewer benefits) so the protesters + EFF trashed the joint in protest. Take from that what you will

Truly advanced praxis

>>2897161 >>2897188 >>2897220
Hand me one of those dank bans plz.

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This reminds me a video somewhere in africa of africans destroying some big solar panels (they were coned by a private company or something like that) and as usual, the far-right spread the video without any context to you know why.

Are there any other communist movements except SACP and EFF?

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