EFF makes gains in SA elections

Josiah Hall
Josiah Hall

bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-37116152/south-africa-elections-eff-delivers-blow-to-anc-over-city-mayors
COMMUNIST SOUTH AFRICA ON THE HORIZON

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thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/05/07/south-africa-the-dashing-of-a-dream/
trtworld.com/magazine/what-does-julius-malema-want-18132
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jama-ah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Alliance
twitter.com/matigary/status/1079722774946607104
news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/SACP-slates-proto-fascist-EFF-20150308
politicsweb.co.za/documents/effs-attacks-on-gordhan-despicable--sacp
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_South_Africa#2019_general_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa
web.archive.org/web/20140222022154/http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=534039&sn=Marketingweb detail&pid=90389
youtube.com/watch?v=R-F9aJDvsNA

Christian Parker
Christian Parker

kill the boer

Nolan Rogers
Nolan Rogers

Honorary Settler Trevor Noah is freaking the fuck out

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Adam Jones
Adam Jones

EVERY POLITICIAN WHO ISNT LIBERAL IS TRUUMP

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

Based

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

Also

thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/05/07/south-africa-the-dashing-of-a-dream/
At the time, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, South Africa’s capitalist economy was on its knees. This was not just because of global boycotting of its exports but because the productivity of black labour in the mines and factories had dropped away. The quality of investment in industry and availability of investment from abroad had fallen sharply. This was expressed in the profitability of capital reaching a postwar low in the global recession of the early 1980s. Unlike other capitalist economies, apartheid South Africa could find no way of turning that around through the further exploitation of the black labour force.

The ruling class had to change strategy. The white leadership under F. W. de Klerk reversed decades of previous policy, opted to release Mandela and go for black majority government that could restore labor discipline and revive profitability. For his efforts, de Klerk shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Mandela, who was elected president at the age of seventy-six! And profitability did rise dramatically under the first Mandela administration as foreign investment poured in and the rate of exploitation of the workforce rocketed.

As one of the so-called BRICs, South Africa’s economy was traditionally rooted in the primary sectors – the result of a wealth of mineral resources and favourable agricultural conditions. Under Mandela and then later Thabo Mbeki, the black majority saw some improvements in their truly awful living situation, in sanitation, housing, electricity, education, health, and so on, ending the cruel and arbitrary control of movement and the inequality of the apartheid regime.

But despite its professed socialist ideology, written into its constitution, the ANC leaders quickly ditched any radical change to the economy and social structure. ANC governments opted for capitalism and never even considered any state takeover of the mines, resource industries and land owned by the whites. Instead the ANC leaders took a slice of the action themselves.

Thus the tiny, wealthy white minority has remained pretty much unaffected by the ending of apartheid. Now the rich whites have been joined by a few rich blacks who dominate the businesses and exert overwhelming influence over the ruling ANC. The party now expresses the sharp divisions between the majority of working-class blacks and the small black ruling class that has developed. These fissures erupt every so often, as yet without a decisive break.

By the early 2000s, the relative recovery of the economy began to peter out and then the Great Recession globally dealt a technical knock-out to South African capitalism from which it has not recovered. Profitability of capital dropped away and growth in investment, productivity and output began to crawl, making it impossible for the black majority to make any progress. South African industry is now in difficulty; unemployment and crime remain at global highs, and economic growth is foundering.

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Brody Sanchez
Brody Sanchez

Boers did nothing wrong.

Levi Thompson
Levi Thompson

The EFF are revisionist and opportunists, they may say they're Marxists and Fanonites but really they want Chinese-style State Capitalism for South Africa, not socialism

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

Proofs?

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

Julius Malema literally said in an interview that he considers modern China to be communist

Owen Wright
Owen Wright

Do you have a video? IIRC he was supportive of Deng's reforms

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

BASED DENG GANG TAKES ANOTHER COUNTRY

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Jordan Thompson
Jordan Thompson

Dengism isn’t socialism or communism, it’s just boring social democracy with a bit of authoritarianism through in. It’s stupid, and those that support it are still stupid.

Nathaniel Sanders
Nathaniel Sanders

Old TRT video and article, granted they're bourgeois but what he said is shit
trtworld.com/magazine/what-does-julius-malema-want-18132

Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

oldschool paternalist social democracy, even
a bit similar to interwar right-socdem in Europe maybe
not to derail this interesting thread too much but how do leftist supporters of China reconcile with the fact that the current CPC is firmly class-collaborationist (represents both "the masses" and the "advanced productive forces") but still calls itself communist?

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

I'm just doing it to trigger my father. I mean he's also triggered by my support for Mao.
I'm taking the stance Mao did mostly the right thing in his domestic policies and everything after Deng has degenerated China into yet another capitalist state.
He can't get his head around modern china being similar to the United States and actually thinks it's worst.

Bentley Martinez
Bentley Martinez

I'm just doing it to trigger my father.
The problem is that this isn’t productive in the construction of mass movements, this is just teenage rebellion, which if you want to do it fine, but leave politics out of it, if you don’t you’ll make socialism (even more) unappeling to boomers.

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

His fault, we were talking about Mao and he decided to go off on a tangent about Xi when he damn well know he's a revisionist and have little to do with what we're talking about. I messaged him about how Mao was the first to outlaw Concubines in China with the establishment of Communist China in 1949.
Being anti-deg*nerate I thought would be appealing to boomers but I guess they are too far gone into the NPC rabbit hole with radio talk show hosts and infowars because he imminently replied with some irrevelent criticism of modern China about Human trafficing of Christians in China today, then "China is bad".
He thinks 80 million died in the great leap forward, laogai prison camps housed 20 million at a time and the usual anti communist stuff. He also went off about Venezuela even though we were not talking about it. It's like this stuff is programmed into his brain. His spam of links from heritage foundation was annoying.

Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

You should probably ask some people in the history thread for infographics.

Andrew Carter
Andrew Carter

I saw that episode and all that was pointed out is how Malema talked so lightly about considering killing white people in South Africa. That isn't communism.

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

Their 2019 election manifesto did not once mention "capitalism", "socialism", or "communism", so take that how you will.

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

/liberalpol/index.html
the clip is taken out of context
also,
kill the boer

Anthony Mitchell
Anthony Mitchell

AZAPO>EFF

Juan Rogers
Juan Rogers

Dengist EFF
<Not Islamist Al Jama-ah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jama-ah

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

What is the context then, bucko?

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(South_Africa)
SOUTH AFRICAN LABOUR WAS NAZBOL

Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson

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Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

Tbh this makes no sense considering South Africa is well into a capitalist stage of development: it's GDP per capita is what Western Europe's was in the 1960s, and it has mostly an industrial proletariat in both the cities and countryside. In addition, the feudalistic structures that existed are all-but-gone economically, and it's farming operates on a capitalist mode of production. There is no reason that it could not transition to a form of real socialism through proletarian revolution.

Jeremiah Stewart
Jeremiah Stewart

Wow, you found a really cool microsect!

Cameron Cruz
Cameron Cruz

Don't you insult the name of Biko like that you fucking prick.

Carson Diaz
Carson Diaz

Imagine being the leader of a socialist organization and getting dunked by a dumb liberal and the whole "socialism has a poor track record" without a proper fucking response. Up your fucking game, Malema. Socialists put the first man in space and you let him get away with a dumb statement like that with no better counter than "muh China". Fucking pathetic.

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

Why the fuck is this still a thing? I know it made sense during apartheid, however the SACP by continuing to be part of it, are just shooting themselves in the foot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Alliance

Easton Harris
Easton Harris

The SACP are every bit as neoliberal as the ANC

Jack King
Jack King

"Progressive Libs" turn on anti-imperialists
Color me surprised

t. butthurt SACP

Juan Allen
Juan Allen

If that’s true what’s even the point of they calling themselves communist.

Adrian Rodriguez
Adrian Rodriguez

The same reason the French, German, and Spanish "Socialist" parties still have the name, branding

Liam Miller
Liam Miller

COMMUNIST SOUTH AFRICA
Okay, but EFF are not really Communist. They are an ANC splinter that support Zuma style governance and are full of corrupt opportunists. It's not even a secret.
I voted for them in the last election just to give the ANC a wake up call and was gifted with Zuma getting the boot.
I've not forgotten Melena pledging to die for Zuma and ANC leadership.
The EFF are revisionist and opportunists
This person gets some of it. My father hates what the ANC has become but still participates in their dumb meetings to try to change course.

He doesn't trust EFF leadership, and he's personally meet a few of those people.

I''m not some highly educated sociologist or South African political expert, my old man is too close to this stuff. I am kinda apathetic, and honestly embarrassed to be South African.
However, If veterans like my dad who actually fought for democracy and all that equality stuff dislike Melena, then I don't have much reason to disagree with them.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

Melena
Malema
Stupid autocorrect.

Henry James
Henry James

Question, would setting up a Boer-oriented Labour party be worth it in South Africa?

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

no

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

the only thing we should orient towards boers is a rifle

Wyatt Moore
Wyatt Moore

It'll probably end up like labor-Zionism and that was the foundation of the state of Israel which is til this day, an apartheid-state. So no, not worth it.

Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

Okay, then how do you engage the Boer proletariat in the socialist movement: because the EFF is doing the opposite of that.

Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

the Boer proletariat
the entire white population of SA is like 10%. Most of them are bourgeois. The "Boer proletariat"s opinion literally doesn't matter.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

Not true; Boer proles vote ANC or EFF.
Worse, the bulk of Afrikaners are land-owning farmers.

James Jones
James Jones

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

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Anthony Green
Anthony Green

That party is cringe…

They claim they are inspired by Sankara, but in reality they behave like Mugabe

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Julian Murphy
Julian Murphy

Mugabe did nothing wrong, the only reason Zimbabwe turned out the way it did was because of the IMF.

I love how Nazis love Rhodesia but by that same viewpoint then they should be okay with anuddah shoah. Oh wait, Nazis don't make sense.

Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

I think massacring white population is wrong.

And yeah Nutzis and /pol/ypinos are retards.

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Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

I think massacring white population is wrong.

Marx cleanly said that we need to kill all Whites. Didn't you read his book about Cultural Marxism Comrade?

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

Ah, yeah. I forgot.

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Julian King
Julian King

Zimbabwe turned out the way it did was because of the IMF
The IMF, who were not in the country when it was Rhodesia, and were invited into Zimbabwe under Mugabe.

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

boontown is finally going to fun by the boons

Sebastian Barnes
Sebastian Barnes

twitter.com/matigary/status/1079722774946607104

Isaac White
Isaac White

Who's that guy?

Jeremiah Walker
Jeremiah Walker

sanctions being lifted causes economic growth
Who’d’ve thought, also this guy makes no sense.

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Gabriel King
Gabriel King

ment to post

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Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

That Malema boi looks like epic brainlet

Cameron Torres
Cameron Torres

all Jews are the same
okay Big Brain

Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

Excuse me sir

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Blake Hughes
Blake Hughes

that pic
Where's the lie though?
"Well, yes, even in capitalism there's a certain amount of agency but I don't see why we should be throwing these drone operators out of a helicopter, Comrade user, I think you need a more nuanced understanding of the complexities of the American imperial project at the time…"

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

So you guys are okay with all of the antics of herr Malema?

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Grayson Perez
Grayson Perez

he is just brainlet. another wannabe Castro. he uses marxist leninist rhetoric because he think thats cool and hip

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

cool and hip

Lol

EFF is proto fascist. SACP is right

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Michael Jones
Michael Jones

What has the SACP said specifically?

Daniel Williams
Daniel Williams

They repeatedly called them proto fascists and cheap populists

news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/SACP-slates-proto-fascist-EFF-20150308

politicsweb.co.za/documents/effs-attacks-on-gordhan-despicable--sacp

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Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

People who still support the ANC.

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

That might be true but when has the SACP actually stood up against the ANC's neoliberal bullshit? Why keep the Tripartite alliance when the ANC can't even do land reform?

John Turner
John Turner

they are only making gains because they are racist, not because communism is becoming popular. How many whites or coloureds do you think voted for the EFF?

Blake Morales
Blake Morales

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Bentley Perry
Bentley Perry

Fuck, the last thing we need is yet another genocide under our name. We should come up with some consensus on why SA wasn't real communism for when the boer start getting slaughtered.

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

I don't know much about them, tbh.

Yeah, but Malema repeatedly said that he isn't against killing whites or that they should be servants of blacks.

Chase Hughes
Chase Hughes

Outliers who don't matter, even Trump has black supporters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_South_Africa#2019_general_election
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa
Democratic Alliance got 20% of the voters, and the non-black share of the population is about 20%. About the same as last time, it's essentially the non-black party

Justin Howard
Justin Howard

Fuck, the last thing we need is yet another genocide under our name. We should come up with some consensus on why SA wasn't real communism for when the boer start getting slaughtered.

Maybe they declared they are "marxist leninist" but in reality EFF is just left black nationalist party. Also Malema thinks that China is socialist>>2890882
Malema is just dengist thug, nothing really marxist about him.

Connor Foster
Connor Foster

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Jason Wilson
Jason Wilson

That's the spirit. Hopefully people will believe that crap.

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

Hopefully people will believe that crap.
lol, it's a fact, they do not need to "believe" that

Aaron Evans
Aaron Evans

Malema thinks that China is socialist
Based

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Isaac Clark
Isaac Clark

reactionaries support Dengism
color me surprised

Isaac Young
Isaac Young

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Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

sauce of that image?

Asher Carter
Asher Carter

faggot new

Jack Baker
Jack Baker

Not true; Boer proles vote ANC or EFF.
They probably also vote for Freedom Front + and some other almost insignificant party.
the bulk of Afrikaners are land-owning farmers.
Afrikaner =/= Boer. They have a sort of lower to middle-class liberal Euro city dweller verse American nationalistic conservative cowboy farmer thingy; divide…
So you guys are okay with all of the antics of herr Malema?
Not most folks I know, but he holds a fire to the ANC and DA. Read a survey that suggested most people have little problem voting for rando parties in provincial elections but would prefer ANC remain in control of national government.
EFF have and will probably always be opportunistic tossers.
proto fascists and cheap populists
Much respect for some folks in SACP.
has the SACP actually stood up against the ANC's neoliberal bullshit?
It does that all the time.
No:80%
Has to be fake. True that most support comes from really poor folks though. However, the majority of the poor support ANC.

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

web.archive.org/web/20140222022154/http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=534039&sn=Marketingweb detail&pid=90389

Mason Sanchez
Mason Sanchez

tbh if I was a black South Africa I'd probably be a fucking black nationalist too

James Roberts
James Roberts

it does that all the time
Source?

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

So any thoughts on this?
youtube.com/watch?v=R-F9aJDvsNA

Brayden Walker
Brayden Walker

Context needed

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

There was a protest at the University of the Free State in Bloemfontein over outsourcing janitors to private companies (lower paid, fewer benefits) so the protesters + EFF trashed the joint in protest. Take from that what you will

Christian Fisher
Christian Fisher

littering and fucking up the environment to own the boozh
Truly advanced praxis

Easton Garcia
Easton Garcia

>>2897161 >>2897188 >>2897220 Hand me one of those dank bans plz.

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Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

This reminds me a video somewhere in africa of africans destroying some big solar panels (they were coned by a private company or something like that) and as usual, the far-right spread the video without any context to you know why.

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

Are there any other communist movements except SACP and EFF?

Hudson Morales
Hudson Morales

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