You really dont get how espionage works do you?
Because any person who pretends as if the USSR was democratic is as brain dead, ignorant and blaitently brainwashed as someone WHO THINKS THE UNITED STATES IS!!!!!!!!!
And yet MI6 still farries trotsky back to the americas because…
the goodness of their hearts?
Two reasons.
One, to start conflict hoping to get someone more west friendly then stalin into power (they were hopping to reinstall Trotsky and possibly have a controlled communist revolution in germany to take them over) To this end even hitler was funded on the basis of him having "soviet" in his name. However when he nationalized his countries currency COMPLETELY in 39 it became obvious he couldnt be controlled. So churchills creditors told him to hardline the guarentee
and 2 because this furthered the recession as the given santions did not allow for capital to flow into the west from a hungry russian populace who may well have been capable of jump starting the economy they hadnt finished buying up yet
Yes but why did these capitalists suply the soviets instead of the Na tional socialists?
Because they had a better chance of controlling (or killing) stalin then they did hitler.
And yet most of those families were either jewish or latter married jews
why is this user?
Why is the evil capitalist class so largely dominated by this one tiny ethnic minority?
Well user when the greatest propaganda network every assempled is burning the evidence and torturing witnesses to false testimony (as the Auschwitz confessions were, reasearch that if you want a fun time) forgive me for not being able to use a jew run corperations information dispencery to give you sources sufficient for your tastes
Thats called having advisors, not fucking distribution of power
your pretending like stalin couldnt have them all lined up against a wall and shot like the other half was on whim
And your is despite multiple accounts
despite testimony
despite logic
and funding
and money trail with rothschild and warburg allll fuckin over it
the USSR was good boy dindu nuffin, and didnt have no jews ruling over them
If we are to believe your post, stalin didnt even have absolute power
tell me
what ethnicty were these supposedly more powerful goverment ( (advisors) )
Greetings from a Board less Sheltered
You are.
Supposedly.
uh-huh
sounds just plausable to convince some well meaning socialist kid a 100 years latter posting on an image board anyway
In what proportion to their population size user?
So i suppose if you cant prove to me that hitler was baught and paid for by the🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 rothschilds🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 (flags are actually accurate as well in this instance)i dont have to believe you either hu?
user this is irrelevant because the fundimental problem is that the theory of marxism (which was the product of decades of socialist work prior) was a product of a time before darwin.
It works on the enligtenment era idea that man is equal.
The idea that the preliterate can manage every aspect of the economy democratically (not even counting the more liberterian socialist brances of marxism) is fucking autistic
and runs completely counter to human nature and biology itself
WE
ARE
NOT
EQUAL
we are not the same
that doesnt that capitalism puts anywhere NEAR the right people on top
but it does mean that there is a genetically defined natural bottom and top
Why the fuck in the world would you think that a proven theory based on inequality would create a species that was completely equal to one and other?
do you think evolution is just over??
have we "transended biology"????
fuckkkkkk meeeeeeeeee
this is getting into creationist levels of faith denying reality
user thats not even HALF of that meme and you know it lol
You know the "big stronk soviets completely destroyed the weak nazis" is just a fucking meme
and if your being honest with yourself
you'll admit it
Since you havent written back yet
I thought i would take this opportunity to make case to you for my position, irrelevant of what we have said before.
Because despite the fact of the not insignificant differences we have, i suspect we both agree on quite alot and as i fear the thread will soon get nuked by the ( (mods) ) id like to make this case to you.
Firstly i propose that we agree we have masters. People who rule over us.
Secondly that we agree these masters control virtually every level of government, finance and the media
Thirdly that said masters are have not and are not working in our bests interests but rather in their own gain.
From this position i would ask you a very simple question
What do our masters want us to do?
Because i believe from this premise we can backwards manufacture a solution to the disgusting and obvious oppression by the elietes, however or whoever you define them as, that rule us today.
From this question we can also bring ourselves to conected questions
what DONT our masters want us to do?
What do they want us to think?
What do they want us to believe?
And from this naturally falls that we look at what they tell the great unthinking masses to think in classroom, movie theater or living room.
I'm sure by this point you have at least to some extent guessed were i am going with this.
If we trully believe that we are ruled.
That we are controlled.
The the populace is cattle manipulated by its masters.
It then follows that it is no coincidence Adolf Hitler and Natnional Socialism are vilified to the extent they are in the media.
One likewise i think cannot deny that Stalin perhaps enjoys a similar status
being the only soviet leader commonly vilified by the western propaganda ministries as "killing millions" and having had the term "red fascism" coined in regards to his purges
however this is not the case for the majortiy of the soviet unions supposed atrocities, most of which a capitalist film inudstry should have had no problem manufacturing films about
When was the last time you saw a film about the hol/odomor?
ever?
When was the last holocaust movie they put out?
was it last week?
last month?
last year?
adding itself to the tens of propaganda films that have been shoveled in the last eight decades
and lets not pretend like 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧they🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 (put whichever marks you will around as quotes) would have any issue finding some ukranian farmers to testify
the only conflicts against "communism" that are portrayed in a positive light are those against the veitcong
and independent nation that refused to bow to either the global controll of capitalism or to come under the thumb of communist china?
almost as if they had some sort of weird
mix of nationalism socialism country???
Same way with castro come to think of it
whos country was only desantioned in the last 5 years.
Its almost as if nations who did not allow themselves to fall to ( (international) ) marxism or finance were vilified while those who were conqured were not.
Tell me
when is the movie comming out about the supposed millions mao slaughtered?
wouldnt a capitalist film industry use this as propaganda as well?
And why do these supposedly capitalistic investors allow sites like this and even brasonly marxist posters on social media to continue?
while posts regarding the J Q, race realism and sexual realism get censored in a fucking minute?
Its almost as if nat ional socialism is more a threat to them then marxism.
Its almost as if they control one but not the other.
If your definition of proper espionage is some guy who was never actually involved with the government itself and whose accounts are entirely second-hand with one of them being a reference to a "rare book" he doesn't have but allegedly read, then if anything it brings into question your definition of what is "valid" as a whole.
Show me proof it wasn't. This is rich coming from someone who believes Nazi Germany did nothing wrong whatsoever and was this utopia in which all the contradictions of class were nullified.
Why would I care for Trotsky again? If anything, he was widely disliked with the bolshevik party and he was found to be a fascist sympathizer later on. That incident itself was inter agency finger pointing.
So, assuming all of this bullshit is true, this only validates that the west had no control over the bolsheviks if their only plan was to install fucking Trotsky who was already a widely unpopular character. Also, Hitler did not use the term Soviet and somehow you do this double take where any funds Hitler receives is just from a confused west and any funds the bolsheviks allegedly receive is because they are "Jewish controlled". And Hitler did not "nationalize" anything, he privatized and doing so got him mass praise in the west.
So the west sabotaged the USSR? Is that what your saying? Also, how could they "buy up" anything in the USSR when there aren't financial markets?
Because the fascists, after being pumped with supplies and funding, decided to make a go for it and seize the surrounding territories and their resources. The conflict with the western allies and Germany was a conflict between to bourgeoisie powers competing for resources and markets, nothing more.
There are multiple explanations for why there are a bunch of Jews who are capitalists, at least compared to the number of them in the total population. Feudalist practices regarding usury which prohibited other groups besides Jews from engaging in it, the prohibition of Jews from taking up "proper" occupations which pushed them into becoming part of the lower merchant class which was a class that would grow over time and obtain greater amounts of influence until the collapse of feudalism, etc.. None of this matters though, because we don't care for the ethnicity of the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie is a class we are wholly against regardless of ethnic make-up. There are white bourgeoisie, black bourgeoisie, asian bourgeoisie, bourgeoisie, male bourgeoisie, female bourgeoisie, etc, and we are for the removal of all of them. For you however, the bourgeoisie are ok as long as they are a certain ethnicity. You are no different then the alleged Jewish conspiracy you complain of.
The USSR had a literal fucking elected congress you faggot, stop repeating shit you heard on a video and read a book.
Which was garbage
Which you gave none of
Which the bolsheviks barely ever received
The Rothschild's and the Warburgs financed the Nazi's with the Warburgs being the closest of the two. Marietta Warburg lived unmolested in Nazi Germany married, Otto Warburg collaborated with the Nazi as a scientist throughout the entire war, and Max Warburg sung praises about the Nazi's until the day he left. The one Rothschild the Nazi's captured they RELEASED back to them. The Nazi's only ever target poor or petit-bourgeoisie Jews, never full bourgeoisie Jews.
For the most part, yeah. They did good for their circumstances.
He did not
Multiracial, because it was the fucking congress as well as the later Supreme Soviet.
Stop dodging, did the Nazi Party (the actual body, not the internal police and intelligence organizations) have half-jews and quarter-jews in them? The answer would be yes.
If you don't have any information stating otherwise, then we default to that he didn't know. Lenin prohibited and was against separate Jewish based organizations in the Soviet, don't you think he would have mentioned at least once that he was partially Jewish if he had known?
Their grandfather on their mothers side had converted to Christianity before fathering their mother and never talked about being Jewish to her. How would they possibly know?
Literally released their a Rothschild. They worked more closely with the Warburgs then the Rothschilds if we are going to compare though.
Marxists don't believe people are equal and it isn't based on such a presumption. To quote Engels
You mean the bourgeoisie? To continue to work and make money for them. To not remove capitalism and to retain a system in which the profit motive and the cycle of capital is preserved.
Depends on the bourgeoisie in question, but the thing they all universally share is that capitalism in some form should be preserved.
Pro-holodomor propaganda is literally pumped out on a regular basis in Eastern Europe, specifically Ukraine.
And? The holocaust occurred in western Europe for the most part and involved the Germans as well as other, its "closer" so to speak. When was the last time you saw a movie about the massacres the South was committing on the North in Korea during the war? When was the last time you saw a movie about the millions who starved in India? When was the last time you saw a movie about the crimes of the Tzar, or the famines that occurred under their rule? When was the last time you saw a movie about the atrocities committed by the South Vietnamese government on the North and even on their own people? When was the last time you saw a movie about the genocides committed by the fascists in the balkans?
Cuba is literally being accused of beaming "headache wave" into ambassadors heads right now and is coming under threat for sending "death squads" into Venezuela. Anti-Cuba sentiment is as hot as ever.
Supposed.
The whole of Zig Forums is allowed to exist still. We're a complete anomaly on this site in which 80% of posters are unironic fascists. I should be asking you why this site hasn't been removed if your worldview is true.
Marxists who actually support anti-imperialists and existing socialist countries get banned all the fucking time. Twitter cleaned out entire swathes of pro-Venezuela tweets and profiles during the uptick recently.
Barely, they mostly censor threats and things which are viewed as
They control North Korea now? Wew, for a minute there I thought they were constantly sanctioning it and worried as fuck about their nuclear program, but now I know that they were really just making it all up and wasting millions over pretending to care. Good to know.
There is a bunch of other garbage in your post, but to summarize it you're saying this:
The Nazi's were right and National Soycialism is correct because Liberals are more bothered by it currently.
This is not an argument. This is not even a conjecture. This is an opinion based on personal feeling and on how others feel about something. It is an opinion based on how others react to a viewpoint without actually validating that viewpoint to be true or now. Lets say everything you say is true for a second and that liberals hate National Soycialism more than they do communism (despite history saying differently). So fucking what? Does that now make National Soycialism "correct"? Is it "correct" because others hate it? Is it "correct" because it is not as popular? Is it validated simply based on its relation to something else? Lots of peoples who call themselves liberals hate dirty water. Are we to drink from puddles as a response?
I'm a Marxist-Leninist because I find Marx to be correct. Because I find Lenin and those who built upon him to be correct. Some liberal kvetching about what is wrong or right won't change that. Some Social Democrat blathering about what is wrong or right won't change that. And some National Soycialist whining about what is wrong or right won't change that. If the seas burned away and the fields withered and the continents collapsed on themselves, I still would be a Marxist because none of those things refute his analysis of capitalism. This idea that I should back away from my convictions and principles simply based on what others do or think is the most cowardly and spineless thing I have have heard and its no wonder that I hear fascists constantly use it as rhetoric. This applies not only to me, but everyone. If you change your beliefs based on the views of others and not on whether something is true, you don't belong in politics. You belong with juveniles.
Did we chat on 4chan on 'Would you support a help build a Communist State if it guaranteed white racial homogeneity?" yesterday? DAZtLD2z btw
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