/LeftyBritPol/ - Valley of the Starmer of Death edition

Wait lmao Sarkar has been at it as well? Bastani has been absolutely rinsing Mason, Watson & Co over this entire thing. That's gonna cause some problems I'd imagine.

Yeah but you're arguing that we should have one anyway, aren't you?

They will be much more credible if they have experience as cabinet ministers under Corbyn as PM.

No it doesn't.

So? We should try to avoid it if possible.

Don't even know what this means. Corbyn's successor will be just as hated and will have just as many people trying to 'stab' them, just because that's what happens to left-wingers. Corbyn's personality is actually unusually well-suited to weathering this stuff and his successor might get it even worse.

It really isn't.

is Ally Law /our guy/?

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Not really, if Watson doesn't push one there shouldn't be one.
Again not really, Corbyn isn't gonna make the whole of a first term, a first term that might not start until 2022. So we are looking at 2024-2025 for a replacement? That's way too fucking late. There is no "good time" to do something, but this is actually a least bad time.

This. Character assassination is par for the course for radicals like Corbyn, but his mild-mannered and friendly demeanor defused any of these allegations very effectively. People unironically love to meet him in person. There is no way to assume that getting a new successor will automatically turn off the wave of character assassination

So you mean that if there is a leadership challenge, Corbyn should not stand? Well, leaving aside the issue of getting nominations, a Corbynite candidate would have to deal with the inevitable implication that Corbyn had stepped aside because he had failed and his opponents had valid criticisms of him. That would make it that much harder for them to win and would weaken their leadership even if they did.

Why?

This is an absolutely terrible time. The party is tearing itself apart and there might be a general election around the corner.

Because fatigue and incumbency syndrome will already be well into its rot.
But the tories are doing exactly the same thing. They are both weak atm, better to take a knife to yourself while your opponent is doing the same.

You are so fucking transparent lmao

Sarkar is doing what the wonks call "triangulating". She supporting a second ref but at the same time saying stuff like "when we're in the EU we have to tell them to fuck off when they try and prevent state aid"

Transparent to the reality that if a coup doesn't happen it doesn't then actually happen?