How will you save the world?

but wheres the lie tho

Listen.
I can agree with fundamental parts of Sakai's analysis/criticisms of the white proletariat. People with more money and privilege tend to not want to overthrow the current system, it makes sense in an essentialist sense. But It isn't universalist and relies on specific examples in America (and Anglo Nations like Canada, Australia, New Zeland, South Africa) to base its entire theory in. The problem is the idealist lens that Sakai and Sakai-ists view and analyze history can be ahistorical sometimes. They believe that race in itself is a class and that the primary struggle of man is the struggle between races. The also believe that reactionary settler colonial nations can't be revolution which that is dependent on current material conditions as well as historical institutions of oppression (slavery->jim crow->mass incarceration). Sakai-ism and post-colonialism is based in the superstructure analysis of society and culture. It is a sort of post-leftist in this regard, it turns Marx's analysis on its' head and assert that cultural antagonisms like race and income levels really determine if someone is working class or not. Labor aristocrat and pest-bourgeois are huge insults thrown by this crowd, and let's not forget social fascist. A lot of race issues have their root in economic inequalities not some inherent white or black struggle. That is some alt-right tier Nazi masturbation fantasy shit right there fam

At least some post-colonial theory is legit material analysis. It's the Gonzaloites and the Sakai-ists who are the most batshit crazy Maoists giving Maoists (and Mao) a shit rep

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Do we need to add sakaism to the instaban list in the rules
I mean if one tells you it's ok to punch a fascist or national soycialist

One should immediately slap them across the face with the back of ones hand, if they ask why tell them because punches risk lethal haemoriges sp? and you don't want to kill them even though they're a fascist because there are now many good comrades who are former fascists and you think they could end up one

This is truth, this is praxis

I didn't base that post on Sakai; it is in fact a copypasta and I was purely shitposting but since it sparked serious discussion here I go. Forget about the race (Mexicans, Blacks etc. deserving exclusive land) part.

US-Americans, even proletarians, do benefit from the present capitalist global order, and American supremacy over other peoples (especially in name of the latter's own good; carrying the white man's burden) is deeply ingrained in their culture. InterNational Soycialism must be open to the possibility that the standard of living of Americans has to decrease considerably, and that Americans, even many self-professed socialists, will be upset at a socialist world order if they are not in positions of leadership.

We kinda need to recognise that we're going straight into war communism right after the revolution if the revolution and the species is going to survive.

This means Labour,carbon and resource accounting mass projects, hyper funding recycling centres and green waste disposal, forest planting, carefully decentralising food production. Building an exergetic economy is going to be a mission I don't think we're all too ready for tbqh.

We need to be either re-planning or tearing apart suburbs, propping up society wide scaled care-work institutions, requisitioning housing etc. If there's one thing we need to learn from the right wing, it's shock economics. The way we build buildings and connect them to each other and our bodies facilitates capitalist reproduction in the base and especially with the neoliberal counter-revolution, the superstructure as well. Socialist construction needs to disincentivise the re-insititution of capitalism because our living spaces simply aren't built for it. Capitalism needs to become untenable and then unthinkable.

Tearing up roads to stop the heat island effect, mass laying down of new rail and public transit infrastructure, redirecting distribution, effluent disposal, fucking power lines and internet cables etc.This is going to some fire and Brimstone tearing down the dying body of the old God kind of shit.

Guess I took the bait on that one then, might've seen the copypasta before but all post-colonial rhetoric looks the same to me now that I've read a bunch of it. I just feel the need to call shit out because I feel that Sakai-ists and Maoists like Black Red Guard have a tendency on being retardly dogmatic and ideologically and they don't get criticized for it. Not to mention those ideas can give people a bad impression of the communist movement. Organize on class not by race, although the United States is a culturally stratified nation. People just suck their dicks endlessly (I'm looking at you Badmouse) all because they adhere to a weird bastardization of post-colonial theory.
Agree shit like the suburbs and everyone owning a car/truck is something most (white) Americans wouldn't stand. The American lifestyle is wasteful and decadent. Even moreso than other Anglo nations like Canada and Australia

Nah I want to see their idealism get smacked down here

Awesome we can all backhand him without guilt
Who else?

Sorry, but this is retarded. Despite being a commie you bought into the lie our government pushes that we all live like Kings here and that communism will make us poorer, when nothing could be farther than the fruth and I can't even afford a simple studio bc of capitalism.

Communism won't make us poorer, it doesn't make ANY country poorer, it has literally no downsides.

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Maaate a long time ago we used to banter by calling subcontinentals poo in loos, now we banter about burgerfats especially in SanFran being pooinloos
What benefit are these americans getting from this especially the prolateriat, I mean at this point tgeir living standards have fallen below india
How much lower does it have to go?
The burgers are so demoralized they don't even take it good humour unlike the pooinloos who I'm calling pooinloos because they pooinloos unlike americans
At this point many subsaharan countries may have better living standards than the prolez of the USA

Let's say I don't dispute your point on standard of living. I was going to make an educated guess based on the world's GDP per capita, but it wasn't a very strong argument.

American culture would still rally Americans around resisting any kind of world order in which they are not respected or feared as leaders. Americans will not accept that their opinions and politics do not carry more weight for being American. They will not accept that they don't get to rule "shithole countries". If the socialist goverment in, say, Syria does something that Americans disagree with, the people of the US will use whatever power their have to interfere to do what is "best" for Syria.

I mean, China is socialist now and a considerable portion of American self professed socialists spend more time attacking "Dengism" with talking points from the actual US State Department than trying to build socialism in the US.

Americans might not be the only people in the world to think like this, but they are the only with enough resources in their country to mobilise a war machine to effect their will.