BadMouse rips apart the CPGB-ML because of IdPol

They've been pigeonholed into being grouped together by homophobes too long to be separated.

That's not what he means, you're being intentionally dishonest. It's about the social attitudes of workers all somehow being assumed to be some kind of Blue Labour type nonsense when that just isn't actually reality. You see certain values among Working Class people that could be considered "Traditional" but these are all positive values like Family, Community, which all arise from material reality to begin with. If that's Social Conservatism then I guess I'm a Social Conservative and now I have to hate Niggers and Trannies despite having friends who are both, otherwise I'm not a "real worker". In the same way that most Working Class people aren't racist, across races themselves, especially if they're living near other Working people of other races, most Working Class people actually don't really give a shit if you're gay or whatever. Obviously not everyone can use all the correct terms or whatever else that is "Politically Correct" but they are by and large not actually Socially Conservative.

If I'm a worker and I have an LGBT friend, and I see CPGB-ML lacking tact on these issues (yes you can critique idpol without doing what CPGB-ML do), then I'm going to assume that their Solidarity is conditional, and this is after I've gotten beyond their weird Fetishistic aesthetics. Communism is also mostly in ascendancy through those who are Gen X and younger, who themselves as workers are significantly more Socially Liberal than previous generations. This entire thing just shows poor strategy on the party's part for people like Phil Greaves to be openly bigoted towards a literally insignificant fraction of the population, and I say this as someone who likes a fair amount of Greaves takes.

This entire thing is pure Workerism, and worse than this it's also completely transhistorical.

tbh asshole cops would probably target straight guys in this case, because it's humiliation, rather than gay guys who they think "might probably like it". Straight male-on-male rape has been a war crime since antiquity.

Why? Nations are constructs that are clearly related to the capitalist system, how is a guy thinking he's born in the wrong body related to the capitalist system??!

As someone who has actually worked with "traditional blue collar workers" (remember that's not the Marxist definition of workers), they don't give a crap if you are gay or whatever, they don't give a crap which kind of music you hear or what hairstyle you prefer, but they don't want to be berated about heteronormativity either. You do the latter you loose them, this doesn't mean they are homophobes.

Fucking for the last time:

not wanting gays to be killed =/= supporting LGBT parades sponsored by Coca-Cola

You do realize that half of Marxists pre-WW2 were fucking Eugenicists. Communism isn’t a syminome of “Stuff that makes me feel good.”

Their five precent, and half of that doesn’t care about idpol pandering.

No, the "bourgeois societal arrangement” existed in most socialist countries.

This is more of a cultural thing in New World countries.

USSR proves you wrong.

No it isn’t

This is all well and good but there are people in this thread who are explicitly espousing anti-LGBT views because they have an inability to differentiate between bourgeois tactics being used to divide groups of workers and groups of workers themselves. It's Vulgar Materialism.

Patriarchy is clearly related to the capitalist system, which is why ML and MLM movements across the world have made themselves the champions of the emancipation of women, thus people who feel they have been born and pigeonholed into the wrong gender role or sex are related to a similar struggle

I can say everyone has a right to a job and a right to housing without actually giving everyone a job and a place to live, you know.

Do you mean free as in included within free national healthcare or free as in literally anyone can get gender reassignment surgery without any sort of prerequisite?

this boards stance is always ORANGE MAN BAD

Women's bodies are the frontiers of communist liberation; it is no wonder so many male-feminists are also sex offenders