Help me debunk degeneracy "theory", please

As says, I doubt many of them had 10/10 bodies. Most of them would have been too poor to waste time and energy weight training.
They'd have looked better than the average modern American, but only because the average modern American needs both a car and mobility scooter just to visit walmart.
Only the bourgeois would have time to lift weights, and half of them would have probably been fat from eating too many grapes.

I never said they didn't

Good you agree with me

prove it then

incorrect. The Greeks weren't just small minded farmers. The had gyms and they lifted.

Are you really this desperate for validation?
Anyway, I doubt anyone here has proof one way or the other. If you want to believe that most greeks were hyper-/fit/ chads, that's your choice.

well you replied to the wrong post lol
No you just started off disagreeing with me then you admitted I was correct. Thats all I care about.

Doesn't matter, they were just wrong about it, or have no provided sufficient evidence against my poitnts.

I win

Yeah, everything but capitalism is somehow harmful. It’s a spook.

80% of Greeks were farmers living in the countryside with no access to gyms
Also farmers aren’t small minded….
In general statues depicted gods and heroes so they portrayed the ideal body
You are literally saying that all 90s Americans looked like 90s comics
The gym was not only used for exercise but manly as a place for well off men to socialize
The only one who had hard daily exercise schedules were professional athletes (who were quite few)
I don’t think you can find a historian agreeing that even 10% of ancient Greeks looked like statues

do you have a source on this.
Also just because the lived on a farm doesn't mean they have always lived on a farm and never lifted or did military service

no just the modern third worlders you mentioned

do you have proof this was the ideal body rather than the real body of high preforming greeks?

No we're talking about 50s here

this isn't a counter to anything I said.

do you have any proof of this?

You just made that stat up
I don’t think you can find a historian agreeing that any of what you're saying is true

Not him but your strike me as incredibly stupid and historically uninformed. It seems like you have some sort of stake in the idea that all ancient greeks were chiseled super soldiers with impeccable bodies. Do you even know how they made their art? Sculptors created statues according to ratios that were thought to convey beauty. 99% or more of humans can never look like an idealized greek statue. If you don't believe me read renaissance writers who specifically instructed prospective artists to take the best features that they encountered in daily life to create ideal humans. In other words, naturalistic artists picked and choose beauty from nature that otherwise would never exist in a single person

you strike me and incredibly butthurt

nope I'm just stating facts

I'm not debating art, nerd.

you made this stat up

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