Given I can't see you're previous post, were you or were you not defending the US's actions here?
So, how terrifying will 21st Century Fascism be?
Jacob Richardson
Kevin Gutierrez
I was originally replying to
saying that there is no proof of what he is claiming to be true.
then the tank poster started shitposting at anyone who doesn't support mass illegal immigration as a fascist
Henry Miller
I disagree with the analysis of fascism making some kind of "spectacular and horrific" return to America, because it implies things suddenly changed and America "fell into" this. This is how things always have been, it's just been made more obvious and "honest". Now you hear of what the US enagages in, now what was clendestine extrajudicial activity is made law. We didn't step up or move down a stage, we were always here.
Camden Morris
He was posting cringe reactionary memes earlier. Typical stuff you'd see on r/The_Donald though and nothing too extreme.
Asher Hall
Oiink!
/b2/ raid
Seize the means
Adam Green
I agree with this. The last couple years in the US have just been making the system explicit, not different. At the moment it helps that Fascist organizing, outside of some more militant groups like Attomwaffen, is a mess and can't sustain itself. Whereas, even if you don't like it, antifa and SocDem organization has only grown in complexity and cohesion.
Zizek awhile ago said that, unlike many European states, the US' state power structure is too asymmetric for any sort of overnight internal coup to actually work.
And as you mentioned, the current would-be Fascists are totally incompetent, and not to mention that globalization has all but eliminated the possibility for the old-school isolationist fascism. There are, by nature now, too many cracks, and power has become harder and harder to centralize.
This isn't to say that there won't or can't be a 21st century fascism, nor that fucked up right-wing terrorism won't occur even more (it's absolutely going to accelerate). But, again as Zizek said, it's going to take the form of something like modern Italy and China, not Nazi Germany: authoritarian Neoliberal Capitalism, with bells and whistles still attached. It'll be interesting too to see how Sanctuary cities develop in the US. Soon enough they'll be seen as Sanctuaries for everyone, the last holdouts for polite Neoliberal society.
The last thing I'll mention is that, at the moment, the conservatives have been completely unwilling to admit basic material discontents. We have to remember that Hitler and Mussolini did want a welfare state in some form and (Mussolini moreso) knew how material conditions are really what drive people. The GOP and American fringe right by contrast do neither of this, not even the so-called Ecofascists do this. Here's where Neoliberalism presents a problem for them, and where Capitalist Realism really comes into play. If you look at contemporary fascist propaganda and rhetoric, you'll realize pretty quickly that the world they're proposing has little to no meaningful difference to the one we currently have. It becomes even more clear when you look back to Italian fascist Futurism: utopian, cohesive society that orders complete control over industry for human flourishing, a complete rejection of any semblance of the "old way of life." Today's propaganda deals with either traditionalist imagery or pictures of urban ruin (Balkan war photos are extremely popular among the right, for example.) Underlying material discontents won't disappear; they'll even intensify, because austerity measures will only continue, not be overturned. Life gets worse for everyone and nothing has fundamentally changed.
You can channel this discontent outward (via war or towards the minority Other) for awhile, but it *cannot* sustain itself. Until the right actually realizes this (and for the moment, they seem far too indoctrinated by Neoliberalism to do this), I find the claims of outright fascism a bit overblown. But shit's scary and bad, that can't be denied.
Anthony Clark
I don't think earnest race worship fascism is going to return, techno capitalism will easily crush and deflate it imo, but there were a bunch of cringe libtard sjws in weimar germany right before they went full fash, in fact, those cringe libtard sjws are what allowed fashies to galvanize their movement and gain power, because they were so absurdly cringy that everyone could cringe at them racially-collectively together.
Jordan Cooper
If techno capitalism crushes anything in its wake including race worship, logically it would crush people who take from the system more than they put in, which would be majority African and South American.
Kevin Johnson
It will be fucking awesome with neon swastikas and anime mascots everywhere. Hand drawn Itano circus scenes will make a comeback too.
Elijah Wright