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Dominic Cruz
Dominic Cruz

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

Which saints or apologists have written about polytheism?
When I have walked people through the argument from contingency, argument from intelligent design etc, I hear the response "But why one God? Let's assume that there is a divine being that made all of us and the universe. How do you know it's just a single God and not a plethora of Gods?"

How do I respond to this, I don't know who has written on the topic

Xavier Cook
Xavier Cook

Isaiah 45:5

Adrian Collins
Adrian Collins

Aquinas "five ways" indirectly explain this.

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Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

604697
they don't know what an elect jew is, and they seem to forget that it was "jews" who crucified Jesus

Jason Peterson
Jason Peterson

611453
pls respond

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

611453
It's my understanding that Jesus quoted the "apocryphal" books as well as quoted from the Septuagint OT and so did the apostles.
That fact that even protestant biblical scholars agree on, yes.
So why do Protestants use the Masoretic text and the majority of their bibles don't include the apocrypha?
Because of circular reasoning really
Apocrypha contains unbiblical ideas because in them are ideas that are not in the bible therefore apocrypha contains unbiblical ideas
But that already required that "aporypha" are not in the bible in the first place. And I am ignoring the fact all ideas that are stated clearly and explored in deutercanon (creatio ex nihlio, Raphael being archangel, love covering sins, prayers for dead, purgatory) are in other places of the Bible. And that all reasons that protestants give against it requires from intellectual honesty that books from protocanon to be removed as well.

Xavier King
Xavier King

It's my understanding that Jesus quoted the "apocryphal" books as well as quoted from the Septuagint OT and so did the apostles.
That fact that even protestant biblical scholars agree on, yes.
What, they did? Where? And where did the protestants agree with it?
Im a Catholic and I'm unaware of this.

Noah Adams
Noah Adams

A Protestant could argue that "other non-Biblical books" are referenced in the Bible. The Book of Enoch comes to mind. So agreeing that Jesus quoted any "apocryphal" book doesn't necessarily mean they believe it should be canon.

Jason Torres
Jason Torres

Google "KJV 1611 original notes" or something like that. Fun to read.

Alexander James
Alexander James

Why assume an infinite chain of events is impossible, but a non-physical first mover is not?

Lucas Jackson
Lucas Jackson

Not that lad, but infinity, for example, an actual infinity of events (implying that the universe never begun, but rather has always simply existed) leads to a number of absurdities.
We can only observe infinity within set mathematical discourses with predefined axioms and rules.
Applying actual infinity to the real world gives you shit like Hilbert's Hotel paradox.
William Lane Craig mentions in On Guard an example of these absurdities.

Let's assume in the time it takes Saturn to complete 1 revolution around the sun, Jupiter has completed a 2 revolutions.
Over the course of 1000 years, we would expect Jupiter to have completed twice as many revolutions as Saturn.
Now, what if the universe was infinite, no beginning, no end? Which planet, from time immemorial, has completed more revolutions.
The answer is they've both completed an equal amount. Because if they're orbiting for an infinite amount of time, then they've both completed n revolutions where n equals infinity.
Of course this is just an attempt to explain an absurdity caused by applying mathematical infinite to real life situations. Clearly, even if the universe didn't have a beginning, Saturn and Jupiter most likely did.

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

Have any of you seen a false figure of God in your dreams?

Anthony Brooks
Anthony Brooks

I really like proverbs is there more things in the same vein

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

Could New Jerusalem be in an entirely different location?

Mason Perry
Mason Perry

Nope. Neither seen true one ethier. In case of doubt, make sign of cross.
Book of Sirach. Better imo.
It will be on "New Earth". It will be in different location for there will be not former locations in the first place.

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

I’ve seen many videos of protties “proving” nephilim still exist. What is the Catholic stance on this matter?

Parker Williams
Parker Williams

That Angels don't have bodies for Christ wounds sake and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded or worse - he's gnostic/jew

Noah Rogers
Noah Rogers

Are there any OT/NT artifacts that have survived until today? I about Shroud of Turin, Head of John the baptist and probably pieces of True Cross, but is there anything else?

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

Say that I was using Tums (antacid) in lieu of taking calcium pills, and let's say they are flavored. Would I be breaking a fast if I took them?

John Bell
John Bell

Are there any OT/NT artifacts that have survived until today? I about Shroud of Turin, Head of John the baptist and probably pieces of True Cross, but is there anything else?
There are instruments of passion, relics of saints of all ages, Temple wall, and few other things like coins. Probably more.
Medicaments do not break lent.

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

Thank you. That's what I thought. I didn't take it anyway, because it's not entirely necessary and I can easily do so later.

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

Is it possible for the devil to send "attacks" at you through other people? I've been a Christian for only a few months now, and I have been propositioned by multiple separate women while out at a pub which my friend and I have been going to for years and at which this has never happened before. Obviously I don't know the actual reason it's happened, but it seems weird and I will admit that it has made me have moments where I think things like "If only I had become a Christian just a few months later" and others along those lines.

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

Temptation comes from flesh, world and the devil. Sometimes separately and sometimes united.
Assuming (and I am too wrong) that before becoming Christian you had oversexualised life, then after cutting source of arousal flesh demands, by both concupiscence and habit, it again. So you are more alert on this kind of stuff and see it more clearly. Don't worry, it gets better.
The there is world. World run by lust and lwer instincts. Those animal-like dwellers of world are by thier animalish nature drawn to strenght like brutes. And you have new source of confidence in you and they can sense it. And lust for it. Don't worry though, if you denied it once, you are on the best way to deny it every time.
And there is of course devil. He of course don't know thy heart (this privilege is Divine) but he can take pretty good guess what's on your mind. Plus he observes you all the time. And not only you but those around you too. So he can whisper ideas in mind of worldy men. Don't worry though if you conquer one of them, all three will fall.

Christian Jenkins
Christian Jenkins

If monster girls were real and humans could make children with them, would marrying one be acceptable?

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Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

I'm really nervous about attending my first mass tomorrow evening (saturday mass).

It's a rather small church and I'm worried about an elitist congregation.

Isaac Walker
Isaac Walker

Holy Lance

James Williams
James Williams

Repent.

I doubt your worries and nervousness are justified.

There are some questions I know I should know the answer to, but I fear asking them here (even though this is an anonymous Mongolian basket-weaving forum) and an also uncomfortable asking my priest about trivialities (most of my questions are trivial, imho) because I don't want to look stupid. Is this sinful?

Alexander Ramirez
Alexander Ramirez

Gay post
Anime pic
I'm beginning to notice a pattern here.

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

Then they would be of the same species a.s. they would be horribly mutated girls that would fubar your children genetics.
But what am I saying, asking such question means that you have near zero chance to get even a girlfriend. Repent and stop being fag.
Nothing will happen, just follow what others do except partaking in Eucharist
Is this sinful?
Through curiosity is a vice it's vice of wanting to know things that are not for you. Trivialities are not such knowledge.
So, what are those questions user?

Angel Long
Angel Long

Only if she is of your father's tribe.

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

So, what are those questions user?
They have completely escaped me (shows how important they must be). I'll think of them and ask when they come up.
My thinking is that it was potentially sinful to be afraid of looking foolish here. I don't think it's sinful not to waste a priest's time with random weird questions, though.

Aiden Jackson
Aiden Jackson

In what universe is a man marrying a woman gay? >>606710 doesn't count because MtFs are still men and thus gay.

Eli Brown
Eli Brown

Thank you for the encouraging reply. And for anyone who has or will face thoughts like I did
"If only I had become a Christian just a few months later I wouldn't be missing out"
It helped me to realize that if I had gone through those situations without the help of God in resisting temptation, who knows what kind of damage could have been done. I now thank God that He came into my life at the perfect time to help me avoid these pitfalls.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

My thinking is that it was potentially sinful to be afraid of looking foolish here.
Nah, honor is a good thing to have. But believe me, we heard worse.

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

biblestudymanuals.net/kjv3.htm
lmao this is actually insane. meme pastor k btfo

Nathan Powell
Nathan Powell

609358
Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Adrian Turner
Adrian Turner

I'm pretty sure they still believed it wasn't scripture and that also wouldn't prove anything

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

some orthodox schizo that hates catholics converted to taoism on twitter, citing luke’s unreliability with the census and eastern church fathers promoting a literal reading of genesis

can anyone verify whether this is of any concern like at all

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Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

God made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of his own counsel.
Claim "Protestant Scholars recognised that Jesus and apostles quoted/alluded to Deuterocanon"
Exhibit A: KJV original footnotes says that Jesus and apostles quoted/alluded to Deuterocanon (and they do it in the same maner that qutations and allusions to rest of OT are made
<T-This doesn't proove anything
Adding to that, it's table of contents says "Here are ALL Books of Scripture (…) Books called Apocrypha" or soemthing like that but that's beside the point

Asher Foster
Asher Foster

eastern church fathers promoting a literal reading of genesis
This is getting "depends on who you ask" tier.

Ask one researcher
They're all young earth, son
Ask another researcher
They say they're metaphorical readings, dude
Ask another one
Its another die roll there

Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

That guy was just an idiotic larper, anyway. He spent months regurgitating Common filth memes against homosexuals, and now he's crying about how other Christians are treating him the same way.

citing luke’s unreliability with the census and eastern church fathers promoting a literal reading of genesis
He's probably just using that as an excuse for him becoming a homosexual furry.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

The Book of Enoch is quoted by Jude in his letter directly (Jude 14-15). Some of Christ's sayings in Luke specifically also are similar to verses in Enoch, though He doesn't directly attribute them to that text

Lincoln Kelly
Lincoln Kelly

SHIT DUDE you know yianni? its him and some other pagan LARPer that gave me concern. i feel bad for yianni, kids not right in the head.

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

My mother is getting "married" in the town hall.
I feel like i should try to evangelize to her. She is somewhat cultural Christian, so I'm not sure I would be able to convince her she is doing wrong by God.
I want to save her from the fires of hell, but I'm not sure she would accept it.
What should I do bros?

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Getting married in the town hall isn't going to send her to hell. Getting married without a pompous ceremony isn't even a sin. Remarriage after divorce, however is a sin, and a particularly bad one at that. If she's a widow instead, remarriage is fine I guess.
But you still should try bring her to Jesus, as not believing in him will send her to hell.

Christopher Moore
Christopher Moore

IIRC natural marriage to be a thing needs to have:
consent of both spouses
witness from institution of authority (Church for exemple)
at least two other witnesses
And that's all.
SACRAMENTAL marriage needs however that both spouses are baptised. It's also liturgical art for it's literally "work for the people"
But if one of spouses are divorced, then it's adultery and not marriage at all. And there are cases like incest when there couldn't be any form of marriage.

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

One of my parents said I should go to Divinity School. I told them this was dangerous, even if I don't want to become a teacher, because it's safer to be ignorant of some things than to learn more and become potentially capable of receiving the "greater condemnation." Does this verse refer to the act of teaching or only the act of knowing more about the Truth? Did I misapply Scripture?

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

613244
Sorry. I didn't think anyone would ever respond to my post when I saw it went without reply for so long. I'm glad I checked now though. Yes, I'll try consulting a priest and asking him for advice.

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

Why should I follow God's rules if he'll love me and forgive me anyways?

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Justin Flores
Justin Flores

f he'll love me and forgive me anyways?
Wrong assumption. Dangerous.

Jordan Green
Jordan Green

Yeah right I can tell how that will go.
Son, your sins were forgiven
Thank you Father, but you know, there's nothing wrong with breaking your rules, so really what is the problem? I really didn't do anything wrong.
Cue the part where you get thrown into hell

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Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey

'Whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.'
All sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.'
'Every one who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.'
CHAP. XIX. The Sins against the Holy Ghost Expounded
Q. 915. HOW many are the sins against the Holy Ghost?
A. Six: despair of salvation, presumption of God’s mercy, to impugn the known truth,
envy at another’s spiritual good, obstinacy in sin, and final impenitence.
Q. 920. What is obstinacy in sin?
A. '''A wilful persisting in wickedness, and running on from sin to sin, after sufficient
instructions and admonition.'''
Q. 921. How show you the malice of this sin?
A. Out of Heb. x. 26, 27. "If we sin wilfully after having received the knowledge of the
truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, but a certain dreadful expectation of
judgment."
Q. 922. What other proof have you?
A. Out of 2 Pet. ii. 21. "It was better for them not to know the way of justice, than after
the knowledge to turn back from the holy commandment which was given them."
Q. 923. What is final impenitence?
A. '''To die without either confession or contrition for our sins, as those do of whom it is
said, '''“With a hard neck, and with uncircumcised hearts and ears, you always resist the
Holy Ghost.” Acts vii. 51. And in the person of whom Job speaks, saying, “Depart thou
from us, and we will not have the knowledge of thy ways.” Job xxi. 14.
Q. 924. Why is it said that those sins should never be forgiven, neither in this
world, nor in the world to come?
A. Not because there is no power in God or in the sacraments to remit them, if we confess
them, and be sorry for them, (excepting only final impenitence) of which we read, “There
is a sin to death for that I say not that any man ask.” 1 John i. 9. “If we confess our sins,
he is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and cleanse us from all iniquity.”

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

so apparently he reconverted .. i guess it’s pointless to ask this now since it aint an issue

Jonathan Foster
Jonathan Foster

So if I insult God, there's no chance for forgiveness? I'm automatically going to hell?

Colton Russell
Colton Russell

Because you have to want to be forgiven in the first place.

No. If you truly repent of it, confess and do penance, you can be forgiven. If you persist in it, however, especially until death (which is what final impenitance means) then it's not looking good for you.

Asher Harris
Asher Harris

You have the freedom to cross reference what the Catholic church says about the Sin against the Holy Spirit. You are being very ungrateful right now by only not reading it, but 'pretending that you have read it.
Nowhere in that text talks anything about insulting god. Everything in that text talks about being unrepentant.

Aaron Bell
Aaron Bell

If you blaspheme the Holy Ghost then you can never be saved. If blaspheme the Son or Father you still can be.

No, can you read? It literally says it will not be forgiven "but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." "but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

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Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

Because what will save us is not our being loved by God, but our loving God. And God's commandments are there to teach us about God and to discover our love for Him that is intense yet deeply hidden in our being, covered by mountains of trash.

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

I told them this was dangerous, even if I don't want to become a teacher, because it's safer to be ignorant of some things than to learn more and become potentially capable of receiving the "greater condemnation." Does this verse refer to the act of teaching or only the act of knowing more about the Truth? Did I misapply Scripture?
It refers to knowledge of the faith and the commandments of Christ in Scripture, so yes, you did misapply it. Actively avoiding knowledge about Christianity to avoid defining sin is a silly loophole and I can guarantee that it's not legitimate.

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Yes, even though OSAS is true he will still bless/punish you on earth and if you do works you get more rewards in the afterlife
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

why do protestant bibles remove verses 9 - 24 from psalm 138?

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Man i hate making replies in this board because it takes like 3 years for them to get responded to. but i'll bite

blaspheming the holy ghost shall not be forgiven

true, but you must realize that you cannot be blamed for an action which you did not understand. "father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

it's like if i say this: "muhammad is awesome and is the ultimate prophet", but if i say this only ironically, then i say it with no sincerity, and even a muslim would not consider this a legitimate announcement

likewise, if someone thinks that they blasphemes against the holy spirit, but then they sincerely repent of it, then they are no longer blaspheming, since they admit the power of the holy spirit to heal spiritual wounds

Ayden Jenkins
Ayden Jenkins

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" Exodus 20:3

So can I have other gods as long as I put God before them?

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Robert Carter
Robert Carter

God's position in your life is to be worshipped. If you worship a false god, you have put him before God.

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

Q. 915. HOW many are the sins against the Holy Ghost?
A. Six: despair of salvation, presumption of God’s mercy, to impugn the known truth,
envy at another’s spiritual good, obstinacy in sin, and final impenitence.
What part did you don't understand?
OSAS is not true and prosperity gospel is even less true. Do I have you remind you, o vain and prideful man, that sinners die in pleasure when saints in sorrow?
"If we sin wilfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, but a certain dreadful expectation of judgment."
"It was better for them not to know the way of justice, than after the knowledge to turn back from the holy commandment which was given them."
"4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned."

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

Probably because it's partvif the aprocrypha. I can't find an english version if it just the latin one

Luis Baker
Luis Baker

sane with some part in Daniel 3

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

it's like if i say this: "muhammad is awesome and is the ultimate prophet", but if i say this only ironically, then i say it with no sincerity, and even a muslim would not consider this a legitimate announcement
likewise,
Because they're saying it ironically and don't mean it
if someone thinks that they blasphemes against the holy spirit, but then they sincerely repent of it, then they are no longer blaspheming, since they admit the power of the holy spirit to heal spiritual wounds
No, again it says it shall not ever be forgiven if you mean it

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

Are there any other websites like vaticannews.va ?
I am mostly interested about Europe and Catholicism.

Isaac King
Isaac King

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 138&version=KJV
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 138&version=DRA

Gabriel Miller
Gabriel Miller

orthodox have many old relics like that

Jeremiah Bailey
Jeremiah Bailey

how to deal with very obscene intrusive thoughts? they came out of no where. probably a demon. thank you friends.

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

"but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." "but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Yes, I can read, because blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is doubting or denying It's ability to save you and forgive your sins. By saying as the Jews did that Jesus wasn't casting out demons by the Holy Spirit but by the prince of devils, they were literally denying divine work.
How can you be forgiven by the very Thing which forgives you, if you deny it's efficacy or think it is just a demonic power? Their refusal to acknowledge this is why He said you can't be forgiven it.

Try engaging with actual apologetics and getting a sense of what's being said rather than just going back to "b-but it says …!"

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Orthodox and Catholics, how did you discern your Christian names? I'm on track to be chrismated this Easter but I don't quite know what do to. My priest suggested I do some research into my own name, as a few saints had the same name as I, but I feel like I should choose a new one to better symbolize my new life in the church. Help!

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

Are both the Orthodox and the Catholics saved, according to each other? Also, do both posses the gift of apostolic succession something that sadly halted for Protestants…..as far as I know

Cooper Bailey
Cooper Bailey

Also, are the consecrations of the Lutherans invalid (as the one in the Eucharist, for example), due to this broken apostolic lineage and is more symbolic than an actual conversion?

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

I physically shake my head, albeit slightly. Some kind of action to take my mind off of such thoughts, followed by a prayer for mercy.

Dylan Fisher
Dylan Fisher

Do you guys believe Islam is a Christian heresy and Gabriel did speak to Mohammed to bring the Word of Christ to the Arabs but Mohammed failed? Like the guy had frequent seizures and told people it was from God sometimes.

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
John 16:15
If all the Father has is Jesus's, can Jesus take literally whatever he wants? Does he have that authority?

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

psalm 138:9-24
They're in Ps139 … well, no, not … perfectly …
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 139&version=KJV (24 verses)
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 139&version=DRA (14 verses)

My guess would be the reason lies in the differences between the Masoretic and LXX texts. Protty Bibles, particularly the KJV, are more likely to reject the Masoretic for the LXX. Sometimes.

Very good question. Because things don't line-up perfectly, aye?

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

It gets worse: Ps140 are different, too (13 verse vs just 10 DRA)
Ps141 = 10 verse vs just 8 DRA
Ps142 = just 7 verse vs 12 DRA
Ps143 = just 12 verse vs 15 DRA
Ps144 = just 15 verse vs 21 DRA
Ps145 = 21 verse vs just 10 DRA
Ps146 = 10 verse vs just 11 DRA
Ps147 starts at v12 in the DRA, but otherwise they seem to match
Ps148, 149 matching numbers of verses
Ps150 = 6 verse vs just 5 DRA but that seems to be more how the last verse gets split up

I'd say someone fugged-up but you might take that to be tacit catholic-bashing.

Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

Probably deserved/s its own thread

James Thompson
James Thompson

on it

Gabriel Gonzalez
Gabriel Gonzalez

Do you want to apologize to someone but either something silly is going on(people are giggling form something that happened earlier) or, most importantly you simply aren't taken seriously because people aren't used to having to apologize?
I feel like my apologies don't count anymore.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

Can someone post the screencap of that user who debunked the Islamic science meme please?
If I remember correctly he ended his post with something like :
YES I'M REALLY PISSED ABOUT ISLAM
Thanks.

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

saying, “Go into the village in front of you, where on entering you will find a colt tied, on which no one has ever yet sat. Untie it and bring it here.
If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ you shall say this: ‘The Lord has need of it.’”
Luke 19:30-31
It does seem like he is able to take what he needs, but I'd just like to hear from someone else whether or not I'm on the right track.

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

If degeneracy and atheism is what caused God to abandon the us, why are Japan and China doing so well? Is it because white culture is based on Christianity and like a gasoline engine running on diesel, millennials are trying to run systems made through God and the right-hand path with left-hand path ideology?

Ryan King
Ryan King

Do the priests that rape little boys go to hell?

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Levi Stewart
Levi Stewart

Where else would they go?

Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

Where else would they go?
Idk, they're priests, so raping children is probably like the only sin they haven't confessed

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

I should go back to and say, "Yeah, maybe they're saved, you can't know" as a matter of technicality.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm
Jesus' call to conversion and penance, like that of the prophets before him, does not aim first at outward works, "sackcloth and ashes," fasting and mortification, but at the conversion of the heart, interior conversion. Without this, such penances remain sterile and false
There's more, but I can't dump a whole wall of text here.
As you can see, having speedy access to confession isn't powerful as you'd think(Though having it in first place is rather important). Even then, such a unrepentant mortal sin would be enough to doom a soul to hell.

Luis Edwards
Luis Edwards

Reasking :DDD

Connor Long
Connor Long

There isn't an easy answer to this.
Orthodox are schismatics, which is not the same as heresy, so they aren't irredeemable, but they don't make it easy for themselves. I mean even technically speaking, from a Catholic point of view, their rites and sacraments are valid, if not really licit, and in cases of necessity you can fulfil your Sunday obligation, give confession, receive the Eucharist and last rites from an Orthodox priest, but only under the most extraordinary circumstances (i.e. you are travelling in Russia).
Some modernists like to push the "two lungs" theory, but this doesn't fly with a lot of trads, for obvious reasons. Fundamentally, we leave the judgement to God Himself.

Pretty much. Lutheranism is ultimately at the root of the modern "le symbolic communal meal" meme of the Blessed Eucharist, rather than treating it as the Real Presence of the Body and Blood of the Lord.

Zachary Edwards
Zachary Edwards

Find a saint who really resonates with you, first of all. If they have a name close to yours, that's even better.

Landon White
Landon White

Catholics have apostolic succession, although there is a tradition that exists that says schismatics don't have real sacraments, including orders (based on the Apostolic Constitution), so some (ie ROCOR when they were in schism, Mount Athos monks) say that Catholics don't have apostolic succession.

We can't just say who is saved and who is not. If we can't say with certainty that anyone who's in the Church right now will be saved, we cannot say with certainty that anyone who's outside the Church will be condemned.
Can one be saved even if they're a Catholic? Yes, but it'll be in spite of Catholic errors, not thanks to them.

I believe some Lutherans have kept apostolic succession, but the vast majority have lost it by not intending to actually ordain pastors to the priesthood to begin with.
Similarly, there are Anglicans who have lost apostolic succession by ordaining women.

I don't know if their consecration is necessarily just a funny ritual though. God alone knows that, and in doubt we should treat with respect any communion upon which it is asked that God brings down His Spirit to make them the Body and Blood of Christ, because we do not have the authority to say God would refuse such a request. But I can't imagine an Orthodox ever being allowed to have communion at a Lutheran parish, while in extreme circumstances it has been allowed before to commune at a Catholic or Anglican parish.

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

Some thinkers have come up with the idea that Muhammad's revelations did start off as a legitimate thing, he simply went off the deep end.

The angel who appeared to him first tried to kill him, so I wouldn't be so sure.

Islam is still a Christian heresy though, it is based in Christianity. Judaism is a Christian heresy too. And Jehova's Witnesses… And Mormons…

Mason Miller
Mason Miller

You know, because Islam and even Zoroastrianism are so close to Christianity both physically and spiritually, who knows.

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

Even if you're laughed at or not taken seriously, your apologies matter. Don't give up!

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

When I was getting baptized, my Priest suggested the same. I looked at formal lists of saints, did a little research on the few saints that share my first name, and picked one that resonated with me.
With that said, there's nothing stopping you from picking someone else. I know a woman who picked St. Werburga, and another man who picked St. John – neither of those were their original name. Just be careful with your choice because people are supposed to refer to you by the name of your Patron once you pick. If you choose St. Barffhion, people will probably give you a hard time. The woman who picked Werburga is held up as an example of dedication by my Priest since it's a bizzare name.

Ultimately, start with the saints that share your name and move to ones that catch your attention. Research saints that lived in your area and ones that are associated with issues you struggle with. Good luck!

Nathaniel Perry
Nathaniel Perry

How do you deal with people like pic-related other than reminding them that faggotry is a sin?

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Josiah Morris
Josiah Morris

Just say they're cherry picking bible versus, Jesus was clear on purity. If they still refuse to listen then that is on them.

Levi Stewart
Levi Stewart

Can someone please explain or show me resources to learn about the trinity? I know its impossible to ever FULLY understand but I want to learn about waht separates it from polytheism. Islam is a lie but their claims that they are true monotheism are grating.

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Henry Young
Henry Young

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Grayson Stewart
Grayson Stewart

this didnt help, i want to understand why the trinity is monotheism despite being 3 "persons"

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

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Juan Thomas
Juan Thomas

Does anyone have the missal for St. Simon of Trent?

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

Start here newadvent.org/summa/1027.htm then rest next 16 articles.

Blake Garcia
Blake Garcia

What kind of purity are we talking about here?

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

Why did the Friars dress the way they do? Is there an article on where and when this dress code happened?

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Noah Parker
Noah Parker

What's the Christian view on Psychedelics?

Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

The best "analogy" I can think of is a family. The family is of certain "essence" - but it contains the persons of mom, dad, kids and so on. Even though there are distinct persons, it is overall one family.
Now, with God it's a bit more "nifty" if I may say so. Because the three persons in God are not separate beings. Before I shortly explain it, note that the Trinity is THE biggest mystery of them all. There's no way for us - EVER - knowing it to its "fullest" so to speak. That would mean we are or "have become" God, which is utter nonsense and heresy.
Alright, so God is. God is pure existence, pure being. He is of a certain, divine essence (or substance - however you want to call it). The orthodox Catholic (and also EO, but they suppress this thought) understanding … or rather attempt of grasping the Trinity, is that the three persons in God are distinguished through relationships between the persons. That is, each person is defined through a relation to one or two of the other persons which is unique to the person it sparks from.
(1) God the Father, the patriach, begets the Word (which is Jesus Christ when He becomes flesh, the Logos). We call this relationship Parenting and it is unique to the Father.
(2) The Word is the "child" of the Father as it was begotten by Him - not created. That relationship we call Filiation and it is unique to the Word towards the Father.
(3.a) Now, the Son and the Father love each other infinitely as God is infinite goodness and love. From this mutual Love the Spirit stems. He is spirated - "breathed forth" - in Love. That means: Not a creature.
(3.b) As this Spiration-relationship is not unique to one person but the two of Father and Son, it does not make the Spirit a separate person. However, the Spirit "loves back" the others if you will. Through utter Love, the Spirit gives His all back to the Son and the Father. This is called Procession (although the term in itself is a bit confusing). As it is unique to the Holy Spirit alone, it makes Him a separate person.
Therefore you have: God. One God of one essence - and with 3 persons within Himself that are distinguished through their relationships to each other but are no separate beings.

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

Neither of these churches make a claim that anyone is saved.

However, in general they both view the other's sacraments as valid but illicit. So they are the one Church, but not opperating with the correct permission. You could safely assume that the average lay orthodox/catholic should be saved as they arent actually doing anything illicit, only recieving valid sacraments. However the question is are priests saved by directly ignoring the authority of the church?

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Why doesn't this mean that almost all of us are going to hell?

Jace Long
Jace Long

How do you find out what church is authentic?

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Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott

I know this sounds like a really obvious question but if Solar fade is a a thing than is there no concrete way to weed out bad churches without Sola Scripta?

Brody Russell
Brody Russell

This is weighing heavily on my heart and has been for years, no matter where I go, I can't find a church that I can call home. Every church I go to is full of apathetic lemmings who couldn't seem care less about God as soon as their church service ends on Sunday. I'm able to find plenty of services that preach a good word and have a solid mission and wholesome, Holy Spirit lead worship, but as soon as that's over they seem to go back into full lemming mode, get in their cars, go to lunch and forget about what took place in their church. The problem I face is finding a church that provides a sense of family and belonging. When I read the scriptures, I find the early church bending over backwords for their brothers and sisters but that sort of thing seems non-existent in the modern church. I've even given up on going to protestant churches and starting seeking Catholic churches for community but it just seems like a different flavor of apathy. No one cares for one another, no one works to further the kingdom, it just seems hunky dorry to them that they can partake in the benefits of God while people are going to hell and the church is under constant attack by forces both spiritual and manmade. None of them seem to acknowledge the urgency of Gods mission and no one sticks their neck out for each other. Its just a place the majority of them go to confirm themselves and feel assured in their security and comfort. Im not trying to whine or complain, Im just upset and broken in spirit that I can't find a place I can call home. I only found one church that felt like absolute family and it was eventually torn apart by some Jewish snakeoil kike named Curt Landry who turned it into a haven for Zionism and declared my pastor and Apostle by his own authority, that was 5 years ago, and since then Ive been going church to church trying to find a home that doesn't seem to exist. I crave fellowship, but no matter where I go, people just turn out to be completely ingenuine at their core. Its left me at a total loss. What am I to do without fellowship with other Christians? Even if I just go for God, the fact that other Christians just want to be normal and comfortable and keep to themselves bothers the hell out of me

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Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins


Dear God, I want a Anzu wife which is loving me

I'm tired of jerking off

%%or kill me, it fine too%%

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

I know how you feel bro, and truth be told I don't think that there is an easy solution. Some days it just feels like Christianity is lost.

Liam Bennett
Liam Bennett

It's sad really. Probably came from Saint Anthony and Desert fathers. Rule of Augustine already have it.
There are fifteen marks of true Church:
1. Universality, and being world wide, and not being confined to any particular nation or people.
2. Antiquity, in tracing her ancestry directly to Jesus Christ.
3. Constant Duration, in lasting substantially unchanged for so many centuries.
4. Extensiveness, in the number of her loyal members.
5. Episcopal Succession, of her Bishops from the first Apostles at the Last Supper to the present hierarchy.
6. Doctrinal Agreement, of her doctrine with the teaching of the ancient Church.
7. Union, of her members among themselves
8. Holiness, of doctrine in reflecting the sanctity of GOD.
9. Efficacy, of doctrine in its power to sanctify believers, and inspire them to great moral achievement.
10. Holiness of Life, of the Church’s representative writers and defenders.
11. The glory of Miracles, worked in the Church and under the Church’s auspices.
12. The gift of Prophecy found among the Church’s saints and spokesmen.
13. The Opposition that the Church arouses among those who attack her on the very grounds that Christ was opposed by His enemies.
14. The Unhappy End, of those who fight against her.
15. The Temporal Peace and Earthly Happiness of those who live by the Church’s teaching and defend her interests.

Lack any and it's not her.

Julian Perry
Julian Perry

You are right, what you describe is the state of many churches. And the only way to change a church is to be the first one to do something, attempt to organize and reach out to other people and lay the foundation of the community that you seek. Though that requires a lot of effort and there is no guarantee that it will pay off. You might even fail and become more bitter than before. But that is the only way.

There might be a bunch of people who feel exactly like you at your church and who would step up if only one person would step up to do something. But then again, what if there are none and you feel the sting of disappointment and loneliness.

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Sebastian Flores
Sebastian Flores

It's not lost man, Christians just no longer have incentive to stick together.
I and my buddy spoke with the pastor of a church we really like to see if we could encourage some call to action, perhaps a message to hold their feet to the flames. He was sort of dismissive, either because our concerns take too much priority over the churches or what have you. I feel like people are afraid to actually say anything because as soon as you take people from their comfort zone they immediately become bible experts and next thing you know you become locked in a labyrinth of theology and semantics that no one is willing to back down on. We didnt want to accidentally become a divisive voice in a church that thinks they have something good going. The thought of starting our own ministry crossed our minds but how many times has that happened out of dissatisfaction of the status quo?

Hudson Peterson
Hudson Peterson

Bumping for this.

Oliver Smith
Oliver Smith

Christ's Kingdom is not of this world.

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

Has the outfit of Benedictine monks changed at all since the order was started?

Jaxon Smith
Jaxon Smith

Looking at old paintings - not at all.

Mason Ross
Mason Ross

this just sounds like its three different gods though, this isnt making sense to me. i take christ’s word for it when he says he is god and everything but im trying to wrap my head around this so it at least seems like monotheism

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

I have a unhealthy attraction to the human body. Y'know, blood, the heart, or whatever. Seeing a heart beat, you know.
My heart keeps telling me the bible says nothing abut it so I wanted someone to come over and kick it. Isn't my attraction sinful?

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Angel Morgan
Angel Morgan

You'd possibly be a great anatomist or doctor

Landon Bailey
Landon Bailey

I agree with try to turn this passion of yours into a good fruit. Are you able to receive education in a field related to anatomy? Even a small amount can go a long way and become beneficial both to you and your community.

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

Thank you friends, I'll do just as you suggested. I have a few weeks yet so I'm sure a good fit will become apparent in that time.

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

purity against sexual immorality.

Brody Walker
Brody Walker

I honestly don't know, Do you get these criteria from the bible?

Oliver Carter
Oliver Carter

You protestant rubes and your "babble".. Not everything is in the babble. We made it, we'll decide when it applies and when it doesn't, thank you very much.

Landon Brown
Landon Brown

I think I've asked this several times but my memory is terrible. Or on a Discord server called Christcord, but, if the Orthodox Church too "ethnic" as in, would joining while not being Greek or Russian or from around those areas you'd always be an 'outsider'?

Also, there's no Orthodox parishes where I live at least not in a 500 mile radius. Would begoming Gadolig 'do the job' for being part of the Church?

Quote related to the last inquiry

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Joshua Jenkins
Joshua Jenkins

I recommend you take a break from this board for a while, if asking a reasonable question invalidates your denom so much.

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Liam Sullivan
Liam Sullivan

I know nothing about etymology. Why is Christian argumentation called "apologetics?" It obviously has its roots in apology, or maybe the other way around, but what does Christianity have to "apologize" for?

Jaxson Watson
Jaxson Watson

Both 'apology' and 'apologetics' come from Greek 'ἀπολογία', meaning 'speaking in defence'

Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

Like in Catholicism, some parishes are lovely and some parishhes are atrocious. It's unrelated to how ethnically diverse the parish is, in my experience. Just check out the parishes within arm's reach.

Also, there's no Orthodox parishes where I live at least not in a 500 mile radius. Would begoming Gadolig 'do the job' for being part of the Church?
No. I'd suggest still belonging to a Catholic community until you can join an Orthodox one, it's good for spiritual nurishment. But don't get baptized/confirmed there. Leaving a confession of faith for another is a serious thing, don't become Catholic if you really just plan to become Orthodox later.

Jackson Jackson
Jackson Jackson

Are there any good versions of the Bible, or individual books from the Bible, on audio books?

Brody Wood
Brody Wood

I'll clarify this by saying that I have a long drive, I have plenty of hard copies that I read daily.

Gabriel Hall
Gabriel Hall

I don't have a confirmation but I'm baptized in the Catholic Church. In the case I died on an accident, would this imply Hell?

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

I really like this dramatized version of the KJV.
youtube.com/watch?v=EiXQmeuHTOY&list=PLciw59VByavAaZWBRNGtsfAVx3K5DyYWz

David Howard
David Howard

No. Catholic baptisms are almost always considered valid as a form of economy.

Jaxson Johnson
Jaxson Johnson

Is it ever justifiable to do schoolwork on a Sunday? I'm afraid I won't be able to finish everything due Monday and Tuesday in time (with a reasonable amount of sleep) otherwise.

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

Is there a free or cheap iphone app that has the spanish reina valera gomez 2010 Bible version? The only one that seems to is like $20

Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

Is there any reason NOT to give alms to people?
I've been noticing lately that poor people in my country often exchange children with each other and try to look like they have 6-7 when really they have 1 or less. Then they go on the streets begging. Should I abstain form giving alms in such cases? Should I give anyways but warn them that lying is sin?

Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

How do I stop being a lazy faggot? I’m going for a walk but only because I don’t want to read. Jesus said he hated those kind of people. How do I stop being a normie in God’s eyes and actually gain some self control?

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

priest makes us sing "come, jesus come"
have to pinch my knee to stop myself giggling like a school girl

how do i overcome such thoughts

Noah Martinez
Noah Martinez

force yourself to do gay shit like make eye contact, start small talk, ask out girls, just get really uncomfortable. eventually these things come easy, and life begins

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

give people food or cigs, things they can use. if I give people money they will buy drugs

Noah Ortiz
Noah Ortiz

Okay pardon me, I'm not actually a native speaker.
Cigs
You what.

Parker Jackson
Parker Jackson

Yeah, he meant meth, not cigs.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Had sexual dreams and thoughts as i was falling to sleep (like during that stage of sleep where you can be woken up easily and or feel the sensation of falling), still took the eucharist, but now im worried i mightve fucked up and fallen into lust. it didnt feel like i really had control over it though. im just afraid of being in mortal sin since that was that time before you’re in deep sleep but you are losing consciousness.

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Owen Lee
Owen Lee

'cigs' is short for 'cigarettes'. Don't worry if you didn't know that word, its not well used anymore.

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Actually I thought it was euphemism for something else. Isn't a addiction like nicotine sinful?

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

It is possible to use an addictive substance without being addicted

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

I like the flavor and taste of tobacco, forgive me for mentioning it if it causes you to stumble.

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

Which is greater:
The grace of God
– or –
the sin condition in us?

Ian Nguyen
Ian Nguyen

man im just afraid of being in mortal sin

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

You took your Eucharist. You probably can go and ask your Priest RIGHT NOW, then come back here and tell us his answer.
I'm inclined to say no but I suddenly felt odd about it.

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

Look into Protestantism

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

no car rn but im gonna talk to a priest in the morning

lmao no

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Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for mortal sin to have been committing, you have to "choose" to commit the sin.
It doesn't sound like you chose those thoughts at all, in fact you describe yourself being in the 2nd stage of sleep.

Nicholas Scott
Nicholas Scott

why do protestant bibles remove verses 9 - 24 from psalm 138?
link?

Oliver Cook
Oliver Cook

1 - Preach to the WHOLE world.
2 is obvious.
3 also.
4 see 1.
5 How can they preach unless they are sent? and: Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given you through the prophecy spoken over you at the laying on of the hands of the elders.
6 is obvious.
7 there is one flock.
8 is obvious
9 with God everything is possible/I am able to do all things through Him who strengthens me/And they wondered that such power was given to men.
10 is obvious.
11 see above.
12 sa
13 A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you
14&15 Psalms 124,125, 127 and 128
What have in common light and darkness, life and death, Christ and Belial?

Xavier Reed
Xavier Reed

You're not even trying to understand it. In the Old Testament, God sends His Spirit, "my Spirit", upon Mose and the 70 elders of the people of Israel. So we already have God the Father and the Spirit. Since you've accepted Jesus as God, the Word become flesh, then there's the Trinity. Or do you accuse jews of being polytheists, too ? Because that's what naturally follows from the Pentateuch alone - let alone taking into account the NT.

Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. >Thomas Jefferson
Is it sinful for a person to actually follow the idea Thomas Jefferson had to America? What is more important, that God elected Thomas Jefferson then, or that God elected new Presidents for America "now"? I don't live in America right now and I don't want to kill Trump either, more of a theological question for the future.
Is this issue complex enough to warrant asking a Priest?

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

First of all, this quote is punny and laughable corruption of much older one: The blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians.
Second of all, obedience is not only virtue but also percept. For if authority iscommand something that is good or not evil we are to obey it, be it in because of God or by natural hierarchy setted by God.
For Paul said this about Nero himself: 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant (διάκονός or diakonos) of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers (λειτουργοὶ or leitourgoi) of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.
Authority is liturgy that is work for the people. If God gives authority to someone then it's never for benefit of him but for those under him.

That being said, we are not to obey when it comes to the contrary to Law of God. For it is written: It's better to obey God than men. But rebellion is in almost all cases usurpation and usurpation is grave sin. Amercian revolution was usurpation for thier cause and exuction of it was all but lawful and States have any authority only becuase rightful ruler of them that is King of England, gave it to them.

Consider what Saint Thomas written: Strife seems to be a kind of private war. [As such,] strife is always sinful. . . . For if an officer of a prince or judge, in virtue of their public authority, should attack certain men and these defend themselves, it is not the former who is said to be guilty of strife, but those who resist the public power.
And then:
Sedition is contrary to the unity of the multitude, viz., the people of a city or kingdom. . . . It is evident that the unity to which sedition is opposed is the unity of law and common good, whence it follows manifestly that sedition is opposed to justice and the common good. . . . It is a mortal sin.
The only exception Aquinas made was for the case of tyrannical rule, where he argued that subjects are not bound to obey tyrannical orders from the ruler.5 Still, Aquinas argued that subjects should simply withhold obedience to wrongful orders, not rise in armed rebellion. While in extreme cases it is not a sin to overthrow a tyrant, it is subordinate rulers who should take the lead in this task, not the people at large.
“If there be not an excess of tyranny it is more expedient to tolerate for a while the milder tyranny than, by acting against the tyrant, to be involved in many perils which are more grievous than the tyranny itself.”
That's why "Good" rebelions was in OT performed by people choosen by God, be it directly (Moses) or by Him and office (Judges, Maccabees), by Him and prophets (David, Jehu).

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

Makes a long post with references to Church Fathers
Somehow misses central point of the question.
Why.

Blake Rodriguez
Blake Rodriguez

Somehow misses central point of the question.
<Is it sinful for a person to actually follow the idea Thomas Jefferson had to America?
I answered it - in almost all cases (including American one) yes.
What is more important, that God elected Thomas Jefferson then, or that God elected new Presidents for America "now"?
Also answered it. All lawful authority comes from God. American presidents are lawful authority but only because of king of England approval, not revolution.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

I do not think you understand.
If you say, "You should follow the authority", I take it to mean that you're saying all authority. Dropping a spiraling argument on why I should follow authority as a reason to ignore something authority said(Thomas Jefferson is one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and was also Vice President and President) is funny at best. The argument you are passing me at the moment makes no sense.

Also
First of all, this quote is punny and laughable corruption of much older one: The blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians.
If a quote ends up vaguely sounding like a older one then its a corruption of it

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

If you say, "You should follow the authority", I take it to mean that you're saying all authority. Dropping a spiraling argument on why I should follow authority as a reason to ignore something authority said(Thomas Jefferson is one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and was also Vice President and President) is funny at best. The argument you are passing me at the moment makes no sense.
If authority says or order something unlawful or inherently paradoxical (i.e. things that deny themselves) those percepts and sayings are virtually nonexistent.
If a quote ends up vaguely sounding like a older one then its a corruption of it
It's have the same tone, analogy and similar matter. And considering that Jefferson was (probably) a freemason, and their modus operandi is corruption of christian iconography (including verbal one) it safe to say that it is corruption, willing or not.

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

user, you were correct, the priest let me know since i wasnt fully conscious (i.e. couldve been woken up by hypnagogic jerk) i couldnt have consented and chosen sin.

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

Anyone?

Landon Baker
Landon Baker

What is a high quality (in terms of durability, like leather or something) Catholic Bible? Also, can you recommend another one with notes / explanations.

Thanks!

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Go to confession, forgive your brother and ask for forgiveness.
Haydock Bible, duh.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

609301
Wrong. Catholics teach there are 9 levels of prayer.
Atheism came from the protestant sectors not the Catholic and that was born from the divination of separating from the Church.

Ian Barnes
Ian Barnes

Would somebody explain the difference between soul and spirit? Please provide scriptural support.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

Would Jesus ever use sarcasm?

Robert Reyes
Robert Reyes

This is a serious post. I am going to share some very personal details about my sex like. If any of you would be tempted by reading about sex acts, please don’t read this post.

I have been addicted to porn for a long time. Over the years, it’s gotten more and more extreme to the point where I need to watch women being spit on and slapped in the face to get off. I have recently had some success in stopping for a few days, but this isn’t what this post is really about.

My partner enjoys being beat up during intercourse. Having her hair pulled, being slapped really hard, choked, spit on, etc to the point where she is crying. Is this sinful? Are we possessed by demons? How would one go about correcting this behavior?

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

Anybody here a member of the Order of Malta? I'm looking into it and I'm trying to determine what the auxiliary does that's different from the actual other

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

Order* not other

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

Having bad fetishes doesn't automatically mean that you're demonically oppressed or affected at all. What you have is simply an inflated sense of what gets you off - as well as your (I SERIOUSLY HOPE) wife. What you need to do is stop indulging the fetishes. If you ain't married best is to stop having intercourse anyway as it's a huge sin. If you can't leave the fetishes on your own, take professional help - not talking about medication but professionally approved strategies to break the habits (because that's ultimately what they are). I'd also say talk to your (a) priest - but an actual one, not some random self-proclaimed nutty. Together with him and/or a psychologist you should be able to leave the bad stuff behind.
Additionally pray for help - because with God everything is possible. Best, pray together with your spouse to be honest.

Overall you shouldn't be asking questions like this on the internet. If you're not very lucky, chances some shitty troll goes at you is very high. Always seek the council of a priest (and/or a psychologist, depending on the severity of your problems … the priest will refer you further to one anyway if he sees the necessity)

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

Atheism came from the protestant sctors
Ungodliness was born and upheld in France, especially its government.
A nation that was so obsessed about defending the faith, that they captured the pope and held him prisoner for a century.
The first country in Europe to seperate church and state (Protestants didn't do such a thing in Europe until then), ban crucifixes in schools, etc.

Jace Wilson
Jace Wilson

Nephesh in Hebrew, Psyche in Greek, Anima in Latin and Soul in english is primarily used in scripture to describe motion of creature out of itself, life force that is common to all animals.
Ruach/Pneuma/Spiritus/Spirit is part of man, or rather man soul that is beyond that is what is common with animals. It's our intelect, properly called rational soul, nous.
Paul used it so it's safe to assume that Christ would too.
First of all, masturbation is not only always gravely sinful - its sin against nature itself, like zoophilia or homosexuality.
Second of all, if your partner is not your wife than no matter what you do it is always gravely sinful. Your fethishes only make it worse.
Third of all, if your parnter is your wife then it is still sinful for it is against first percept of natural law that is preservation of being as it is (and ought to be). Stop it. Go to confession and repent from your sin. For you walk in ways of Cain and it will lead you only to one place - city of Dis.
To correct it you are ought to first and foremost cut thyself from all forms of porn. Abandon your partner if she is not your wife. If she is then make sex what is ought to be - mystery of love in which we particpate in not human eros only but in divine agape as Christ agape his Church (which marriage is sacrament of). Pray frequently (with wife if she is your wife) especially Three Hail Marys devotion & Rosary in intention of purity. It works.
Ungodliness was born and upheld in France, especially its government.
It was Masons who came from Protestant occultism and French huguenots.

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Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

Paul used it so it's safe to assume that Christ would too.
I've seen Paul sowing discord intentionally(See: mentioning the resurrection in midst of the Sadducees that didn't believe in it and Pharisees that did in order to cause commotion) but where is this Sarcasm?

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

He did use it several times, like in John 3.
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

Not sarcasm, but I like how He was writing in the dirt while the Pharisees were trying to entrap Him with the adulterous woman.

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

That's a straight to the point question. That, or I somehow missed a huge point.

Owen Bennett
Owen Bennett

Sorry if something like this was mentioned before, but ctrl+f didn't bring up anything:

Is it wrong to attend a heretical church? The only church around me is Oneness Pentecostal. I understand that there are some pentecostals on this board–I'm not calling them heretics–but oneness types reject the trinity and baptize in the name of Jesus only. So,Is it wrong for me to attend?

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

It's time to stop LARPing, lad.

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

What's this organization all about? https: //societyofstalfred .wordpress .com/blog/

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

Anti-Trinitarians aren't Christians, so you might as well be attending a Jehovah's Witness temple. When you say that there's no other churches around you, how close is the next closest church?

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

So,Is it wrong for me to attend?
Yes

Joseph Diaz
Joseph Diaz

All Pentecostals are serious heretics, but antitrinitarian ones take it to another level.

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

Far enough away that I'm now considering moving. So, would I be better off just not attending church in the interim?

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

His whole talk about "super-apostles" are sarcastic
You didn't. Nicodemus out of all people should know that when God makes something new it's always with water and Spirit.
Yes. Always. To join public worship with heretics is to de facto be heretic. Schismatics however are a-ok when no other option is possible

Austin Cook
Austin Cook

Attending a heretic service (in case you're Catholic) is not always illicit. For example if you have the allowance of your bishop for ecumenism reasons, that's ok, provided the heretics know about this as well. You can with allowance of your priest also go somewhere to just "witness" it rather than celebrating and praying with them. For example we are allowed to visit an orthodox Liturgy in case it has been approved and you do it do witness and enjoy it so to speak. Not many do that, because it marginalizes the Liturgy a bit (which should not be the intention at all, after all the Divine Liturgy is valid and awesome despite illicit for us). And of course as you said: If you're somewhere and have no other possibility than visiting a "schismatic mass/Liturgy", like REALLY NO OTHER OPTION, then you are allowed to go there. With the exception of SSPX as far as I know - that is always illicit except your bishop gives you the explicit approval to witness the mass.

But yeah, rule of thumb: If it's heretic or schismatic, don't go there unless you're 10000000% it's not illicit to do so.

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

10000000% sure*

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

Attending a heretic service
Does this apply also to funerals and weddings?

Oliver Young
Oliver Young

No, you can't passively attend Illicit services without commiting sin. You just don't receive communion, or say responses. Also don't unite yourself time their Illicit prayer and only attend rarely

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

Attending a heretic service (in case you're Catholic) is not always illicit. For example if you have the allowance of your bishop for ecumenism reasons, that's ok, provided the heretics know about this as well. You can with allowance of your priest also go somewhere to just "witness" it rather than celebrating and praying with them.
Thats why I said "join" not "be at". Better wording might be "participate" though.
For example we are allowed to visit an orthodox Liturgy in case it has been approved and you do it do witness and enjoy it so to speak. Not many do that, because it marginalizes the Liturgy a bit (which should not be the intention at all, after all the Divine Liturgy is valid and awesome despite illicit for us). And of course as you said: If you're somewhere and have no other possibility than visiting a "schismatic mass/Liturgy", like REALLY NO OTHER OPTION, then you are allowed to go there. With the exception of SSPX as far as I know - that is always illicit except your bishop gives you the explicit approval to witness the mass.
You are not only allowed to but participate (Sacraments included) in them though many uneducated priests would not allow it

Jason Harris
Jason Harris

Is it a bad idea to see the documentary ‘The Devil and Father Amorth,’ where they show a real exorcism?

you can't passively attend Illicit services without commiting sin
Did you mean you can instead of can't? Thank you.

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

I made an mistake. I meant you can attend lllicit services if you only passively participate

Liam Rodriguez
Liam Rodriguez

Thanks again.

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

I'm talking to a friend about how God interacts with the universe and with people.
He asked whether or not these actions would leave any "energy residue".
Let's assume God decided to make an event happen. By his interaction with our world, energy would need to be expended and thus detectable, no?
Are there any writings on this? I've personally never seen any, nor have I ever thought of it.

Brayden Morris
Brayden Morris

All of reality is God's "energy residue".

Robert Scott
Robert Scott

Oh my, something that I've given thought to recently. My answer is basically no, because most of the miracles I've heard of (outside of the bible) don't actually appear to need to create energy, but rather need to choose the exact quantum state that an event collapses. Assuming you know basic quantum physics, this means that all God needs to do is temporarily stop the completely random nature of quantum physics.

Cooper Green
Cooper Green

I personally believe in the determinist theory where when God grants our prayers he simply sets the conditions at the beginning of the Big Bang to do so.

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

Can anyone recommend some interesting Catholics on Twitter to follow?

Ian Hughes
Ian Hughes

Hello, Zig Forumss,
It's been a while since I decided to convert from atheism back to Catholicism.
I tried to read The Bible, but it failed to capture my interest and I gave up.
I still commit sin almost every day. I feel like I am failing.
Changing habits turned out to be a lot harder than I initially expected.
I am not sure what to do any more. Bible seems like something that is too abstract and would not provide a lot of value to me right now.
Should I try reading more Bible? I stopped after reading "the important parts" of Genesis. Should I jump directly into NT? How important is OT for understanding NT?
What happened to Christian role models? What are some good Christian role models whose lives I should study to improve my life?

Isaiah Miller
Isaiah Miller

Perhaps you're misunderstanding.
If I place a pen on the table, and god decides to roll the pen across the table, for him to do this, there should be some form of inbalance due to Newton's third law of motion.
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps God doesn't obey this law, simply because if he can make it, he can break it.
But still, there should be something detectable if this were to happen, not that God goes around moving pens all day anyway.
determinist theory
does free will exist?
I don't know much about quantum physics at all, so excuse my ignorance, but is there really anything in this universe that can be done without the expense of some form of energy? I mean, even if God was to make you think something or have a vision, technically the synapses and neurons firing in your brain would require energy

Elijah Davis
Elijah Davis

does free will exist?
The commoner's idea of free will is bunk. God decided everything. If you were to repeat the exact same life you would make exactly the same decisions. There is nothing stopping you from choosing right or wrong though, that's on you. Too many people think free will is just some random number generator.

Bentley Russell
Bentley Russell

God has already decided everything
we're still free to choose between good and evil
Either I'm missing something here between the lines, or you're straight up heretical and/or Calvinist

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

Start by reading the Gospel of John.

Ask yourself- what does Jesus Christ mean to YOU?

What is life all about?

What is Eternal Life all about? What does the prayer of Jesus in John chapter 17 say about this?

When you have looked upon a cross or a crucifix, have you stopped to consider that this is how much Jesus loves you?

Have you considered that, when tempted by His adversaries to come down from the cross, it is not that Jesus could not come down but that He WOULD not come down?

What did He mean when He said, "It is finished!"?

Evan King
Evan King

It's actually recommended to start with the Gospels, usually the Gospel of Mark, followed Luke, Matthew, and John. That's how it was done from the beginning. Most people are under the impression that you should read the Bible like a book (and certainly, that does work for many people), but the general flow is Gospels -> Epistles -> Old Testament.
Good Christian role models exist in the Saints. There are plenty from Antiquity up until the modern day, so there are loads to study and learn from.

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

I'm having trouble memorizing the act of contrition

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Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

God exists outside time so he knows everything you did and will ever do. That cannot change.

Hunter Baker
Hunter Baker

tfw no Greek Orthodox Minotaur Girl to marry

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

As a Christian who’s also a furry, I know how it feels…
mfw no Nanachi gf to convert to Christ and marry

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

That's it. I'm done with this place.

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Isaac Collins
Isaac Collins

Print it, try to repeat it until it sticks to your mind…and keep it with you when you have confession so that you may look it up if you forget the words.

Nathaniel Green
Nathaniel Green

C’mon…really?

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

You two are openly talking about your gross fetishes on A Christian board, What do you expect?

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Chase Ross
Chase Ross

I just cope with my existential nightmares with God’s help and some escapism ( and I am against lewdness); just as there are homosexuals who can live with chastity in God, there can be furries who can be decent humans and Christians too.

Hudson Thompson
Hudson Thompson

P.s.: yes, I know…99% of homos and furries are degenerate weirdos, but this doesn’t mean that we all are.

Jack Stewart
Jack Stewart

Thank you for answering my questions.
I would have to think a bit before I answer all the questions from I will try to read the Gospels.

Ethan Garcia
Ethan Garcia

there can be furries who can be decent humans and Christians too.
Regardless, this isn't the place to talk about coveting non-human gfs.

Jaxon Collins
Jaxon Collins

I see; sorry, I’ll be more careful in the future…

Lucas Butler
Lucas Butler

the priest won't mind if I bring notes with me?

Kayden Green
Kayden Green

Ok so do I have this right?
approach priest when its my turn and sit down
cross myself
bless me father for I have sinned, its been x years since I confessed
confess to priest
act of contrition
receive absolution

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Carter Murphy
Carter Murphy

The Mass turns the abstraction of the Bible into something concrete.
Keep reading your Bible, go to Mass whenever you can.

Ryan Garcia
Ryan Garcia

I never go to mass because I am disgusted by the way that clergy acts during election cycles.
Priests literally tell people which political party they should vote for on the elections during the mass. Political party that they promote was found guilty for stealing large amounts of money from country and was found guilty of massive amounts of corruption while selling national companies to foreign people.
That was actually one of main reasons why I became atheist at the first place.

Evan Turner
Evan Turner

see you tomorrow

John Morales
John Morales

If monster girls are the worst content I consume I should count myself lucky given the filth on TV alone.

Matthew Kelly
Matthew Kelly

you're fucked. please stop

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

614450
/pol/ unironically worshiping a transsexual god
Holy shit fam! Why did no one on /pol/ ever brought up the fact that they made a religion around a tranny god?
By the way, does /pol/ even worship Kek anymore? Or did Sargon of the Skeptics™ Community™ killed of Kek worshiping for uncle /pol/ for good?

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Michael Russell
Michael Russell

doesnt matter
they still can administer valid sacraments
you really gonna reject a metaphysical reality over the failings of other humans? weak.

Adam Richardson
Adam Richardson

How do I over confession anxiety? About six months I went to confession and did a real proper confession where I was in tears. My main sin was that I used pornography and masturbation about once or twice a week for a year. I felt as the priest was really rude about it. Saying that I need professional help, and that he can't help me raising his voice. I also told him that I worked in a lab that used stem cells, but I never was near those, and if I was allowed to continue that work. (Quit since) He basically said "how should I know." I have previously made confessions in the similar sins, but ever since going that confession I have been really scared of that again. I have pretty bad social anxiety so getting me to say that to another person took a lot of prayer. Should I just stop worrying about it and that was an off event?

Parker Fisher
Parker Fisher

The latter.

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

Matthew 19 4 Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13

When Jesus said let no man separate them, did he mean that an unhuman entity would seperate them? The majority of translations say "let no man" and some variations of "let no one else". Either way, i think it's say to say the genders have been separated.

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Christian Lewis
Christian Lewis

For those of you familiar with "The Law of God" by Seraphim Slobodskoi, is there a Catholic equivalent?

I was raised Baptist, but even then only ever attended church maybe a dozen times in my life, and basically grew up apathetic and agnostic.

I was recommended the aforementioned book by an Orthodox guy, and was just wondering if some Catholic equivalent exists.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

It means that only death make marriage nonexistent.
From what I looked on Orthodox wiki it's basically Catechism+Prayer book+Missal+Explanation of salvific history.
For first three parts there are Catholic equivalents though different books. For the last one I don't know. Taylor Marshal theolgical books are good enough probably.

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

Just go to different priest (FSSP or monks are best). They heard worse. Also, if you still struggling with those sins, go to /nofap/ thread here and ask for help. And of course, go to confession more often. Two weeks are optimal.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

Thanks for the advice! I will try and do that. I have been normally rotating the church I go to for confession every two weeks. Unfortunately one of the priests recognized my voice during confession and made some comments. I know it's a mortal sin and I am trying very hard to quit and have made very good progress, but it's very discouraging when I hear non helpful advice from priests such as "you have a problem." Of course I do, that's why I'm here trying to be better.
The best confession I ever had was from a visiting African priest that spent quite a bit of time in a non-judgmental manner going over ways to pray, that really helped. Unfortunately, I am not sure of the church he ministers at now.

Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

The specific reason it is stated to do so is because it is of a man, that is, of the angel.
revelation 21:17
And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Then there's all those verses making synonyms of angel/spirit/men/gods. See psalms 82:6, luke 20:36, and hebrews 1:13-14. Of course it could be in reference to devils too see revelation 16:14 as they have spirits. But whatever, it stated man in that verse.

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

Circumstances have prevented me from following the fast for a few days. What can I do to make up for it? I was thinking of doing a modified bread-and-water fast for Holy Week, consisting of only eating grains and water, but also including things such as muffins, nut breads, and the like. Good plan, or just stupid?

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

Continue the fast normally, and ask your priest when you can see him. Do what he says.

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

What's the proper Christian stance on Surrogacy? Can a Christian woman give birth to another woman's child? If not, why?

Landon Campbell
Landon Campbell

It's adultery. Wanna kid but can't? There are orphans you selfish fucks.

Henry Anderson
Henry Anderson

If a Christian couple have functioning sperm and egg cells but the woman's uterus is dysfunctional, they commit adultery by outsourcing the gestation to another woman?
Who is committing adultery and how is it adultery?

Julian Bailey
Julian Bailey

I just did some research. I just found out that there's two types of surrogacy: gestational surrogacy (what I was thinking of) and traditional surrogacy (what I think you were thinking of).
In Gestational Surrogacy, the egg of the mother is fertilised with the sperm of the father in a test tube and then the fertilised egg cell is implanted into the womb of the surrogate mother. The surrogate mother will give birth to the child of the couple. The child is wholly the couple's child. The surrogate mother merely gave birth to it.
In Traditional Surrogacy however, the husband just flat-out knocks up another woman and takes the kid as his own. I don't see how a Christian could possibly justify this.
I just thought I'd post my revelation. I'm going to delete my post in a few days and then repost my question.

Jace Hall
Jace Hall

How to return to Catholic church? Never really believed when I was a kid but now I think I do. Haven't been in a church in over 5 years. I want to try and solve this before I graduate. Advice?

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Zachary Baker
Zachary Baker

If a Christian couple have functioning sperm and egg cells but the woman's uterus is dysfunctional, they commit adultery by outsourcing the gestation to another woman?
It depends on if the women is married to the man.
Read heberews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Now in 1 corinthians 7:1-2
NOW concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
How is it you have sex with your wife without touching her? See mark 10:4-9
And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder
Because you would be touching yourself in marriage as they twain are one flesh. All of this to get at what 1 corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
and 2 corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
state which points back to 1 corinthians 6:15-17
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit

Who is committing adultery and how is it adultery?
If the women they outsource to is unmarried to the man, then the man and the women outsourced too are cucks. This would be because the body of Christ, the espoused virgin to Christ for marriage, is one, but many members. Just as a husband has a wife who could be many members. But if that male has a wife and toucheth another women, which is to say being unmarried not as one flesh, then he indeed is a cuckold. This gives clarification to verses like james 4:4 that literally calls the reader who is friends with the world, adultereres and adultereresses. And verses like exodus 20:7 that speak of taking on the name of the Lord, not to do so in vain like in marriage when you commit adultery against that man or women you took the name on and of in marriage.

Carter Reyes
Carter Reyes

Firstly go to mass regularly, then start to speak with the parish priest. Be wary of modernist churches, tho: 9 out of 10 are alas infected.

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

It depends on if the women is married to the man
This doesn't make any sense. The woman they outsource to has to be unmarried to the man because, as far as I'm aware, Christianity doesn't allow polygamy under any circumstances. The women that the gestation is outsourced to could not possibly be married to the man because that man would already be married to his own wife. I don't know if I was clear about this question because I myself only found out about the two different types of surrogacy. Allow me to re-explain just to ensure clarity.

There's three people here:
1) Husband
2) Wife
3) Surrogate Mother

The Husband is fine.
The Wife's womb is dysfunctional, despite her capacity to produce egg cells.
Using IVF, the embryo of the couple's child is implanted into the Surrogate Mother and so the Surrogate Mother gestates and births the couple's baby.

But if that male has a wife and toucheth another women
I'm sorry as I did not clarify this due to my own ignorance. This is not the traditional surrogacy where a man impregnates a woman that he is not married to through the act of sex. This is gestational pregnancy where, through IVF, another woman, outside the marriage gestates the baby of a married couple.

Nolan Ward
Nolan Ward

First of all it's unnatural. And unnatural is sin.
Second of all, (one of) end of marriage is to rise children. But if you can't have children then adopt one.
I doubt that you officially apostasied so you are technically still part of the Church. So just fo to your parish, find confessional and say: Forgive me father for I have sinned…

Julian Nelson
Julian Nelson

No I haven't done anything official with the Church. I was baptised and didn't get confirmed.

Adam Nelson
Adam Nelson

Was the United States' birth by rebellion a sin?

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

No.

Carson Reyes
Carson Reyes

Yes and I'd like to ask why America's rebellion was different.

Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson

My gf just said she wants me to buy her a vibrator.

What do I do lads?

Carson Hall
Carson Hall

Dump her,lest you get cucked by some plastic.

Jason Gray
Jason Gray

Hello Zig Forums I been away from the faith for a decade but part of me want to go back. Started praying the rosary my for a few months but I don't know what to do next, I don't feel ready To go to mass or remember much of the faith. Any advice?

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

Get the missal when you go to mass next. It explains what to do during mass.
Don't take communion until you go to confession.
Look up a guide on confession and how to do an "examination of conscience".
Join the discord if you want more in depth advice (there is only so much we can do over a board).
Welcome home.

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

I'd like to ask (You) why America's rebellion was different.
Because it wasn't rebellion. It was a lawful secession which was responded to with unlawful invasion.

Kayden Evans
Kayden Evans

Mass is the easiest part. You can tune out and back in easily. If you want to take it slow, just go for liturgy of the word which is the first half

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

Seriously considering. Sometimes she is just really "progressive" (wants a vibrator, dresses immodestly, swears) but on the other hand when I say something she follows it 100%.

Maybe Im just meant to guide her? I guess no women are perfect and its the man that has to instruct them

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

she is just really "progressive" (wants a vibrator, dresses immodestly, swears)
when I say something she follows it 100%.
Tell her to stop being "progressive".

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

Won't it weigh on the conscience of those who are saved that their loved ones and friends who didn't get into heaven are facing eternal punishment? The same sort of grief people who have family members in prison experience on earth, except forever and the imprisoned person being held for offences such as fornication and atheism.

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

except the sentence is forever*

Christopher Bell
Christopher Bell

I like this answer, but still feel the need to press the matter further.
Did the south have a God given right to secede before the civil war? Would it be sinful to defend yourself from the government if they decided to disarm the nation? Why can't Christians rebel against tyrants? If a rebellion succeeds, was it ordained by God?

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

you might be so overjoyed to be in God's presence that you won't even think of those who didn't accept Jesus.
Perfect justice is what it is, and once you see every person on earth get exactly what they deserve, I doubt you will have any negative feelings about it. Unless you don't like what you get.

John Russell
John Russell

For

Asher James
Asher James

Why can't Christians rebel against tyrants?
Because the Christian understanding of how authority works is different form the ones of modern people. For starters, God is know for allowing punishment to come over bad people.
If he says that X nation has been acting wickedly and that his chosen punishment will be giving them a evil leader, physical works and rebellion aren't going to change anything.

Justin Bailey
Justin Bailey

Did the south have a God given right to secede before the civil war?
Of course not, and they didn't claim to. The dispute was over whether they had the constitutional right. If one does some investigating, the answer is clearly no, nor did the south have any justification for revolution, since they only rebelled for the wealth and power of the slaveholders.
Would it be sinful to defend yourself from the government if they decided to disarm the nation?
Absolutely not.
Why can't Christians rebel against tyrants?
They can.
If a rebellion succeeds, was it ordained by God?
No, but it was supported by His providence

Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

The book of Judges comes to mind here. The Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge.
How are we to tell when a rebel group is led by a man who has the authority of God to overthrow regimes?

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

The Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge.

And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge. And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge. And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge. And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge. And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge. And once that judge dies, the Isrealites sin, they repent, they ask God for deliverance, and God gives them a judge.

Do you see the pattern?

How are we to tell when a rebel group is led by a man who has the authority of God to overthrow regimes?
We can't, which is why we should probably run a mile when anyone proposes this to us, and especially when it is sure as anything that they will only create a much worse regime in its stead.

Connor Reed
Connor Reed

1 samuel 15:22-23
And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,he hath also rejected thee from being king.

If a rebellion succeeds, was it ordained by God?
<No, but it was supported by His providence
You are correct here because all authority is of God romans 13:1 but there's one problem with your conclusion because of your other answers.
Matthew 4:8-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Satan has authority over all the kingdoms of the world until revelation 11:15 when Jesus receives the kingdoms of the world since his current kingdom of God matthew 12:28 is not of this world
john 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Until revelation 11:15 you have no authority expect over Christ's church in which ye are brethern in such a case. So fight/rebel/commit witchcraft not for this world of the flesh.
romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Who you worship is who you serve, in the flesh the law of sin. But in your mind the law of God. The flesh will die because the wages of sin is death romans 6:23. Serve and worship God in spirit and truth john 4:24, don't commit witchcraft/rebellion.

Jaxon Martinez
Jaxon Martinez

Disarmament is a cause for rebellion because it goes against the Biblical doctrine of carrying a means of defense even when it's not intended to be used.

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

I was well aware of the pattern, and I do not appreciate the condescension.

Gabriel Allen
Gabriel Allen

Disarmament is a cause for witchcraft
carrying a means of defense even when it's not intended to be used.
Chapter and verse where I may read of this? Where is it?

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

1 samuel 15:22-23
Read the context. The rebellion is specifically against God, hence why Samuel mentions "obeying the voice of the LORD". This isn't a sudden reference to earthly revolution, which has no connection to anything else in the context.
You are correct here because all authority is of God romans 13:1
That is not why I am correct here. I was thinking more along the lines of verses like Psalm 33:10-11 which show the sovereignty of God.
Satan has authority over all the kingdoms of the world
Well why don't we go back to Romans 13 and test that claim
<For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
So if kings are ministers of God, and kings are under the authority of Satan, does that make Satan something like the superintendent of God? Does Satan receive authority from God? This is obviously unbiblical, there is such a thing as a Christian ruler in this world.
his current kingdom of God matthew 12:28 is not of this world
Yes, His kingdom. Not earthly kingdoms.

The rest of your post is just incoherent babble, hafizposter.
Disarmament is a cause for witchcraft
My goodness. That verse was not saying "Rebellion is witchcraft", it was about the parity of the extremity of the sin of rebelling against God and practicing witchcraft.

Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson

does that make Satan something like the superintendent of God? Does Satan receive authority from God?
Yes look at examples like in Job 1 or 2 kings chapters 24 and 25. Satan seeks to glorify himself though rather than God because read the entire Bible now.
<Read the context. The rebellion is specifically against God,
Context is further in the verse in 1 samuel 15:24
And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD,and thy words:
because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
That was his sin for this specific verse, he obeyed the people rather then obeying God. Exactly like what democracy is.
This is obviously unbiblical, there is such a thing as a Christian ruler in this world.
Prove it and that their authority over the world comes from Jesus and not Satan. Authority was taken away from the israelites and given to the babylonians in 2 kings 24 and 25. Who stay in authority until revelation 11:15 when Jesus comes back with the earth as his footstool. Satan has the kingdoms of the world because of matthew 4:8-10 and also see matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
<The rest of your post is just incoherent babble, hafizposter.
Then quote the Bible and explain how I am misunderstanding it.

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

I have an attraction to pure women who've consecrated themselves to God like nuns. I've been reading the life of St Gemma and am starting to fall in love with her what should I do.

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Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

Yes
Have you ever considered reading the bible?
Context is further in the verse in 1 samuel 15:24
No it is not. The context is everything that came before in the chapter.
That was his sin for this specific verse, he obeyed the people rather then obeying God
Ok, so you agree with me as to the meaning of the verse? Is that what you're saying?
Prove it
1 Timothy 2:1-4
<First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I have quoted the entire context because it establishes my point. The prayer, as this reveals, is to be for their salvation. The purpose, as expressed by the final clause in verse 2, is for us to live peaceably. Now, let us say this prayer was fulfilled, and a ruler became a Christian. If being a ruler was somehow forbidden to Christians, and this new Christian resigned his authority accordingly, how would that change anything, seeing as he would immediately be replaced with another pagan who seeks to persecute? The meaning is clearly that we are to pray for rulers to become Christian, so they would stop the persecution, since it would persecution of their own religion then.
and that their authority over the world comes from Jesus and not Satan
I'm sorry? Did Romans 13:1 suddenly vanish from your mind?
Satan has the kingdoms of the world because of matthew 4:8-10
Satan was offering Him something that was already His.

Xavier Evans
Xavier Evans

Noob question that I probably know the answer to, but just want to ask to be 100%
If babby gets aborted, does the soul go to hell?

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Mason Collins
Mason Collins

I'm sorry user. Please accept my apologies.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

It's all good, no worries

Colton Davis
Colton Davis

It's not the child's fault for wanting to be born. The child is only following God's will. If the child were to be aborted than the child wouldn't be damned to Hell, but instead be in limbo. Limbo because the child was never Baptised. As stated by Jesus in John 3:5:

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Which puts aborted babies in a very unfortunate situation. God being a just God, he wouldn't allow them to suffer for eternity in limbo. I like to think that these murdered children would be granted access to paradise through God's mercy.

Hopefully this helps you Christanon

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Logan Stewart
Logan Stewart

Does anyone have pic related?
I promise to buy it but I want to start working on my interior life sooner than next week.

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Nolan Ward
Nolan Ward

Yes, it's excellent.

If you're getting into mental prayer, you could also try reading St Peter of Alcantara's Golden Treatise, which is really short and easy to read, covers the basics of mental prayer and ways of preparing and concluding longer sessions of meditation, and also gives two-weeks worth of meditations to cycle through.

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

Yes it is good and very comprehensive,

Here is something really short I used starting out to have a general framework for mental prayer, it's the second section on this link
alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/01/christians-rule-of-life-chapter-2.html

in the first chapter he goes into the reasons behind it, very good short quick read that goes over the basics of the Spiritual life I've found very useful from a great Saint and Doctor of the Church

first chapter
alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/01/christians-rule-of-life-chapter-1.html

For meditation material from the same saint, and on that site there are many things. Preperation for Death is a great collection of meditations, and he includes prayers/affections after all the meditations so it works perfectly for beginning mental prayer.
alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2009/10/01-description-of-one-who-has-departed.html first consideration from that.

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

If being a ruler was somehow forbidden to Christians
I did not say anything of that sort. I said that if you take earthly authority that you are worshiping/serving satan in the flesh. But that's why christians walk by faith and not by sight 2 corinthians 5:7, as we serve in our minds the law of God but with our flesh the law of sin romans 6:25. A perfect example of this is daniel serving the babylonian king in all the book of daniel. But Jesus' words are spirit, they are life john 6:63.
<Satan was offering Him something that was already His.
Explain revelation 11:15 then.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

First off why is he recieving the kingdoms twice again as your imply? Second why is it Satan is able to offer him the kingdoms he already owned? Why didn't Christ just accept them in matthew 4:8-10? he didn't because by taking authority he didn't have from Satan He would be worshiping/serving him. Third why does Jesus explicitly state Satan has a kingdom in luke 11:18? Fourth why are you advocating rebellion, which as the sin of witchcraft in 1 samuel 15:23? Fourth why haven't you answered my question about that self defense doctrine you mentioned in another post? Finally none of what you have said, which is to say 1 timothy 2:1-4, clarifies the verses I have quoted thus far, so explain your reasoning.
and that their authority over the world comes from Jesus and not Satan
<I'm sorry? Did Romans 13:1 suddenly vanish from your mind?
Jesus is indeed fully God and fully man but He is the Son. In the authoritative relationship between them Jesus is a son Phillipians 2:5-8. Hence why when Jesus was told to sit at God's right hand until God made Jesus' enemies a footstool in pslams 110. Hence again why Jesus doesn't have authority till revelation 11:15 and why " if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." is said in john 18:36. And hence why we should not fight/rebel/commit witchcraft.

Henry Morales
Henry Morales

suffer for eternity in limbo.
Suffer
Limbo
Limbo is natural paradise. Babies here have all natural beatitudes. No supernatural graces of course, but they are naturally happy.

Jackson Gonzalez
Jackson Gonzalez

Got negged into getting my feet washed by the priest on Holy Thursday.
I can't help but get this weird feeling of unease. I'm not ashamed or something and don't really care about this being done before the congregation, but it's stuck in the back of my head for some reason.
Maybe I've been giving the foot licker memes too much attention or something. Have any of you had your feet washed on Holy Thursday? Same sense of unease?

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Camden Wilson
Camden Wilson

I'm starting to have crippling doubts about my own faith; I know God to be real, and yet I keep failing and feeling so lukewarm towards my weaknesses. I am truly sorry and yet I feel so little when I sin.
Should I simply give up? What is worse: being a bad Christian or one who gave up? I'll go to Hell anyway.

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

dead babies go to Natural Paradise

What did he mean by this? Is natural paradise different from the Paradise that was promised by the Lord Jesus Christ?

Or is this natural paradise the same as Paradise?

Blake Hernandez
Blake Hernandez

And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Isaac Garcia
Isaac Garcia

I did not say anything of that sort. I said that if you take earthly authority that you are worshiping/serving satan
Since when was worshipping Satan not forbidden?
First off why is he recieving the kingdoms twice again as your imply?
He isn't, the kingdoms are being abolished, and Christ is becoming the sole ruler upon the earth.
Second why is it Satan is able to offer him the kingdoms he already owned?
Satan is attempting to offer Him power, it is an example of the famous 'deal with the devil', since all Satan is able to offer is worldly gain.
Why didn't Christ just accept them in matthew 4:8-10?
What, you mean other than the fact He already had them? Because Satan demanded that in exchange Jesus worship him.
authority he didn't have
You are now guilty of blasphemy, by accusing God, the Lord of the world, of having a deficiency in authority.
Third why does Jesus explicitly state Satan has a kingdom in luke 11:18?
Because he does, read the context, Jesus is talking about demons (not to mention Satan is god of this world and therefore king of the goats).
Fourth why are you advocating rebellion, which as the sin of witchcraft in 1 samuel 15:23?
You're the one that thinks it's ok to worship the devil, chief.
Fourth why haven't you answered my question about that self defense doctrine you mentioned in another post?
This board has IDs, look at them.
so explain your reasoning
I did, maybe you should open your eyes and re-read that post.
In the authoritative relationship between them Jesus is a son Phillipians 2:5-8. Hence why when Jesus was told to sit at God's right hand until God made Jesus' enemies a footstool in pslams 110. Hence again why Jesus doesn't have authority
Jesus Christ is God of the world and has the very authority of God, if He had less authority over His creatures than the Father, He would be a lesser god, not the same God.
and why " if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
No, that is because again, Jesus is God, and not a mere man. If He were a mere man, this would be the end of His kingdom, but since His kingdom is heavenly, capture poses no threat to it.
we should not fight/rebel/commit witchcraft.
That is still unbiblical.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Only the guilt of actual sin calls for painful punishment, that is, for the affliction of the senses by fire or other bodily agency. Those who die in original sin only, are not afflicted by the pain of sense. Therefore, unbaptized children who are in the limbo of children suffer no pain.

Nor do they suffer any spiritual affliction. For their powers of soul (their intellect and will) have never been disordered by actual sin. Therefore, the infants in the limbo of children will suffer neither pain of sense nor affliction of mind.

These infants are not wholly separated from God; they are united to him by their nature and its gifts. They continually rejoice in God by natural knowledge and love.
Read this newadvent.org/summa/6001.htm

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

Go to Church, Catholic Church, when you will be baptised to clean you from sin and receive true faith and all graces that are necessary for salvation.

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Perfect justice is what it is, and once you see every person on earth get exactly what they deserve, I doubt you will have any negative feelings about it.

I think very few people would feel comfortable enacting eternal punishment of any kind. Something about prolonged suffering, and hearing the unending screams of a helpless person unsettles the heart of normal people, even if the pain is felt by an egregious sinner.

It does seem that God would have to anaesthetise the love he commanded us to have for these people for any of us to be able to enter heaven and appeciate his punishment of those who did not, say, after a thousand years had passed.

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

ah ah, I was baptized and confirmed in the RCC.
My problem is the sense of uselessness which ha engulfed my whole life: I am a sinner, and I know I can be washed clean of my sins, but I almost don't care anymore.

I do believe in Him, once you see Him you cannot cast His face away, no matter how much you grow to hate or ignore Him.

Elijah Richardson
Elijah Richardson

i feel useless
It is aweful that you feel that way. I've been there myself. What I did to confront my own self-worth issues was I volunteered at my Church. Im sure the Sunday school can always use more people that want to read the Bible to the children, or help setup the coffe hour fellowship.

Also, remember the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30):

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So don't waste your talents and hide it from God. Find youself through faith and works for God.

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

Well, I suppose the first step would be to avoid fetishizing purity. If you're grateful for her life as an example, you'll hopefully have a chance to thank her personally in Heaven. But rather than address that alone I think you could help yourself much more by looking for someone to marry or taking the path of monasticism.

It depends on your interpretation of original sin. Catholic doctrine follows along the lines of and he gave a very good answer.
Speaking from the perspective of Orthodoxy, we believe that original sin is an inheritance of consequences as opposed to guilt; the baby would not be faulted for its circumstances and wouldn't go to hell. As a counterpoint to the other poster, I would suggest that the thief on the cross made it to the Kingdom without being baptized.

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

You need spiritual director. Talk to a priest about it during confession. Many of us were here, myself included. What helped me was lecture of Augustine's Confessions and De imitatione Christi.

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

Well, Saint Augustin made the hypothesis that he was baptized some point earlier.
The Catholic Church considers him a Saint, dunno about others.
Also, maybe we could talk about a "baptism of blood" in this case? I don't really know more about him and his salvation than what the Bible and his wiki page says.

Also his name is Saint Dismas.

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Ian Scott
Ian Scott

Thanks for the answers, brothers.
Since I'm still here, I might as well also ask; what are the main reasons as to why Catholics/Orthobros believe in the concept of limbo/purgatory?
I haven't seen (or noticed) any biblical evidence for them.
It'd be nice if they did exist, though, since at least there's some hope for babby's and third worlders that have never heard of Jesus to not burn for eternity.

Landon Baker
Landon Baker

limbo/purgatory
Both limbo and purgatory are exclusively Catholic. The Orthodox Church conception of life after death is difficult to explain concisely but can be thought of as a kind of condition that takes place after the Final Judgement. To quote Fr. Azkoul,
After the soul leaves the body, it journeys to the abode of the dead (Hades/Sheol). There are exceptions, such as the Theotokos, who was borne by the angels directly into heaven. As for the rest, we must remain in this condition of waiting. Because some have a prevision of the glory to come and others foretaste their suffering, the state of waiting is called "Particular Judgment". When Christ returns, the soul rejoins its risen body to be judged by Him in the Last judgment. The 'good and faithful servant' will inherit eternal life, the unfaithful with the unbeliever will spend eternity in hell. Their sins and their unbelief will torture them as fire.

However, as with all Catholic doctrines that can be difficult to understand, there are plenty of detailed defenses of purgatory and limbo that use Scripture and the writings of the Church fathers. It's very much worth looking through one even if you're not Catholic.

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

New convert here. I have a passion for classical music and in particular 20th century. Can this stuff be inherently evil even though it doesn't have narratives or words?

Henry Stewart
Henry Stewart

Don't worry about it. Just go in, explain your situation to the Priest after Mass, and he'll help you.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

Good morning, brothers! I would like to know whether purchasing luxury goods (eg. a Mercedes-Benz car) is sinful or not.

Thanks in advance!

Hudson James
Hudson James

627177( checked)
Luxuries them selves aren't bad, but neglecting your financial health and spiritual health in pursuit of luxuries is the sin of greed (with shades of sloth). I see no problem with you rewarding yourself with a luxury if you can afford it, but if you sacrifice your child's diaper money for another PS4, than it's a sin.

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

After reading The Bible I have come to the conclusion that my current life is wrong and sinful. I sit around all day, watching pornographic chinese cartoons and shitposting. I now understand that this is not the way to live my life.
My question is how do I begin to walk away from it?
This is all I've known for over a decade. Everything I do revolves around imageboards and their related culture. I don't even have any friends outside of the internet.

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Oliver Davis
Oliver Davis

Go to Church and tell the priest what you told us. He will start you as a catechumen where you learn how to begome Gadolige

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Carson Evans
Carson Evans

BEGOME
[spoiler]Detailed instructions: Find an Orthodox Church and talk to the priest about joining.
Decrease or stop your visits to boards that promote degeneracy IE: /a/, /tech/, any porn board.
Stop watching porn and go nofap.
If you want to go the extra mile you can read the Church Fathers in your spare time.[/spoiler]
Good luck, brother!

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

Uhh, sorry about the crappy formatting

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

Everything I do revolves around imageboards and their related culture
Make this board the first one you go to when you open Zig Forums, you don't have to give up image boards entirely. Browsing the catalog helps to prevent one from seeing pornographic posts too. Also do as says. Send the priest an email first if its a small parish, they'll welcome you with open arms no matter what though!

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

Does anyone have good resources for deciding on becoming Catholic vs. Orthodox?

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Asher Miller
Asher Miller

Well, I suppose the first step would be to avoid fetishizing purity. If you're grateful for her life as an example, you'll hopefully have a chance to thank her personally in Heaven. But rather than address that alone I think you could help yourself much more by looking for someone to marry or taking the path of monasticism.

I have considered both of these. I'm still trying to decide whats best for me, and whichever I choose I don't want to backtrack on it. I also find it difficult to respect any woman who isn't entirely pure which is an obstacle to finding a wife, especially where I live. And I don't want to join a monastery for the wrong reasons, though the lifestyle definitely appeals, but at the same time I would like to have children.

Masturbating is a serious problem for me. Do you recommend NoFap or is it a meme? I've never seriously looked into it.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

pics related

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Josiah Parker
Josiah Parker

Note well the point that is made in Eastern church - real power lies with the state, not the Church
Western Church - real authority lies with the Successor St Peter

Joshua James
Joshua James

I just noticed that two pics are basically the same, so here is another difference:

The Catholic Church is more open to reforms while the Orthodox Church isn't. Thus leading to controversy within the Catholic Church herself (google Vatican 2 heresy).

Also, here are some videos aswell:

youtu.be/Qdr7u6IP6sg
youtu.be/AleGG1dMgwc
youtu.be/RdwYX8MnntA

Elijah Mitchell
Elijah Mitchell

Just so nobody is confused most Catholic churches do not do services in Latin, only a few churches do and they will be labeled TLM (Traditional Latin Mass) or Tridentine Mass generally. It's generally in the local vernacular with maybe some Latin singing.

Also what is meant by this?
Farther away from the seat of power once Constantinople became capital

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

what did they mean by this?

I think it was for more historical context of the Roman Empire which lead to the 1054 split

Cameron White
Cameron White

Also what is meant by this?
Once Constantine moved Capital Constantinople started to act cocky. And then after many years, after it was made patriarchate it became so prideful and tired to set thmeslves above Alexandria and Antioch. Both of them were angry, Saint Cyril was angry and wrote against it on next council, Pope Leo BTFO them in his letters as well as pope Hormisdas. But it creep into power by sheer cocksucking of the Emperor. And then it calimed title of ecumenical patriarchat. Some Rome once again said "dude, what the fuck" but Constantinople once again cired to Empeor and thus we had fifth Eastern schism. And EOC is under secular feet ever since.

Robert Price
Robert Price

what did this post achieve

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Liam Collins
Liam Collins

Why are atheists so anti-intellectual? There was a local news story on FB about some trannies, I commented and was immediately attacked as a "bible thumper" and that I should "finish high school." This makes me laugh since I am a published author of many scientific papers in biotechnology journals. Why do they assume such stupid things.

Colton Allen
Colton Allen

Because this has become, some peoples go to religion unironically. Want a perfect example Go, on to a flat earth video look at the comments and just observe. Notice how a lot of people are asshurt like how could you do this. That's not the (((Truth))), Convert etc. People are be human nature from God Religious even if they go full fedora, into rebellion. They'll never get rid of what god gave them. That's why you see these people taking up new age beliefs, fedora's, far eastern faiths. Cause no one ever stays at low tier atheism for long if they actually challenge their view and think about it. They'll move on to some other metaphysical belief, far eastern religion the occult etc. Now with all the issues of the west pic related, you know what you have to do btw :)

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Logan Harris
Logan Harris

Why doesn't the roman catholic church contradict the saying:
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."

Bentley Nelson
Bentley Nelson

I dont see that as a contradiction. Just because the Pope has authority over Caesar doesn't mean the Pope can tell Caesar what to do with his Kingdom (make laws, how to police people, etc)

Likewise, Caesar doesn't have the authority to tell the Pope or the Church what to do with the Church (write Canon, change dogma, etc)

Us as Christians are called to be good citizens. We shall follow Caesar's laws and pay his taxes. We shall respect his Kingdom. In return, Caesar respects the Church and allows her to save the souls of man. Now, if Caesar were to step out of line (become a heretic, burn the Church, etc) than the Pope has the authority to excommunicate him from the Church (thus delegitimizing his rule, opening up Caesar's throne to new successors, unless he get in the good graces of the Church) see Theodosius I, pic related. He was excommunicated from the Church. After repentance, penance and restitution, the Emperor was restored to communion with the Church
see also Harold II, of house Godwinson, who was excommunicated by the Pope so Duke William of Normandy could conquer England

I see it as a means to check the powers of Kings and Queens and humble them before almighty God should they fall out of line.

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Brayden Brown
Brayden Brown

I didn't want to make a thread for this but I really want a pepperoni pizza

stop me please

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

A-aren't you allowed to eat meat after the blessing of the baskets…ri-right?

Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers

Is it still suicide if I just happen to intentionally put myself in deadly situations often?

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

No, I don't think so. New converts have a tendency to throw out everything worldly in their lives in an attempt to purge their sinfulness, but often crash as a result by abandoning their hobbies and interests. If you enjoy classical music – a sophisticated and healthy habit by the standard of most anyways – you should feel free to continue listening to it.
I would imagine that the worst thing you could run into with classical music are pieces that commemorate various Greek gods and "modern values." Even in those cases, as a Christian, you should be able to employ an ability to separate the wheat from the chaff – respecting the work of the composer and musicians while rejecting a message that opposes the faith.

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

For the sake of putting yourself in danger or for other reason?

Samuel Brooks
Samuel Brooks

So I have a higher chance of being killed.

Jayden Cruz
Jayden Cruz

As long as it's not that you do for the sake of this chance it's ok

Daniel Reed
Daniel Reed

What exactly are the beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists regarding the Trinity? They don't seem to make themselves clear and come off as Trinitarians, but they might be Tritheists.

I however have no idea, but someone here probably knows.

Jaxson Walker
Jaxson Walker

Why were these deleted?

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

What in good gravy? I bet the mods are behind this. None of those pictures I posted were offensive in any way shape or form.

Unless the mods take offense to Christian imagery. FFS the first post where my pic was deleted was the picture of St. Joseph, patron of the unborn.

Another was St. Micheal the Archangel

Jeez, no wonder other Christanons complain about the mods on this board.

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Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
Is this saying that we must hate our families to love Christ?

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

I've seen on here a couple times people saying "go back to /r/Christian." I don't use reddit, but is that because they are Christians in name only folk?

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

no, just that God comes first above all things

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

check it out sometime, it's all lukewarms. very cringe and sad

Adam Green
Adam Green

I was raised an atheist (though I do pray in secret, and have pretty Christian morals I think). I now want to expand my knowledge a bit, and see what Christianity is actually about. So I'm going to read the bible. What are the most essential parts? Is there a specific order in which I should read it? Or just go from start to finish?

Brody Sanchez
Brody Sanchez

The way I was taught to read the bible with the NT first and the OT second. That way when reading the OT, you can see find the forshadowings of Jesus while you read along.

I'd also strongly recommend chatting with your local preist as well. That way you can grow closer with God and begome
t. Gadolig :DDD

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Camden Jones
Camden Jones

I have a dumb question. Are the Canaanites descended from Cain?

Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

Nooooo!….. (Begome Orthodoxy)

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Eli Perry
Eli Perry

Yes

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

Ty, I have more dumb questions: So is Judas descended from Judah (who are both traitors), and Babylon from Babel, and Mystery Babylon from Babylon?

Christian Wright
Christian Wright

Am I obliged to confess my sins directly to God at any time other than during the Sacrament of Penance? Do I need to have confessed all my sins to Him to receive perfect contrition or to say the Act of Contrition on my own time (while still intending to seek formal confession, that is).

James Ramirez
James Ramirez

Is Judas from Judea
Probably. From what I see, experts have reached the consensus that he is from the town of Kerioth.

Babylon from Babel
Im not sure. But most likely.

Mystery Babylon from Babylon
There are two parts of Mystery Babylon you have to understand first. The 'mystery' part reffers to the type of practice that is means. In this case 'mystery' means occult magick. Babylon doesn't mean that it will be from Babylon, but the type of magick that was used in Babylon when it was an entity.

When the j*os were enslaved by the Babylonians, they picked up a thing or two about their occult practices and incorporated it in their j*oish religion. The mystical occult practices of the j*os is called (((Kabbalah))).

So Mystery Babylon implies that whatever person or cabal of people will be practicing the (((Kabbalah))).

inb4 "ermagerd, gtf /pol/! Stop being antisemitic"

You may not believe me, but some j*os do practice this as they believe they can share the same power of God through it. Which of course is false. (((They))) are sharing their power with their father, (((satan))), not God. Look it up.

Parker Campbell
Parker Campbell

Ty, very informative.

Charles Gray
Charles Gray

Also checked

Andrew Reyes
Andrew Reyes

Well, take your time and really consider what the best path for you might be. If you're really set on having children, though, it's probably for the best that you spend more time looking into marriage prospects.
The culture of NoFap is a meme, what with all the emphasis on testosterone retention and superhuman abilities. Nevertheless, masturbation is antithetical to the Christian life. There's an account of a saint encountering an angel on the road that was weeping. When he asked the angel what was wrong, the angel said that he was the guardian of a man who lived in a home in the distance. This man's indulgence in masturbation repelled the angel away, and the angel wept that he was unable to help his charge.
One of the most important challenges for a Christian man to overcome is lust. Consider joining the NoFap thread we have here since it's for fellowshipping regarding this struggle.

Benjamin Long
Benjamin Long

Canaanites are descended from Canaan, son of Ham, son of Noah, from the line of Seth. Descendants of Cain areCainites. Though there are more or less probable theories that wife of Ham was Cainite.
Judas descended from Judah (who are both traitors)
Majority of Jews from time of Jesus were Judahites. Jesus was one. Sons of other Marys too probably. Paul was Benjamite and Anna was from tribe of Aser. But majority was from Judah.
And Judah is not the traitor. He and Ruben are positive characters in story of Joseph.
and Babylon from Babel
None. Really it was the same place. Same name even.
and Mystery Babylon from Babylon?
First of all, there is no "Mystery Babylon". There is "A mystery, Babylon the Great". It's two names, not one.
Now Babylon from times of Babel is icon of "Babylon the Great" which is multitude of the wicked, especially the heathen persecuting emperors at Rome, and in all other places, (and they who acted against the Christians under them). Jews are Babylon, acient Rome was Babylon, French Revolutionary state is Babylon, Soviet Russia was Babylon and in last time it will be kingdom of Antichrist.
Am I obliged to confess my sins directly to God at any time other than during the Sacrament of Penance?
No. But there are times when it's appropriate.
Beside you go to confession for absolution. Only another way for absolution is contrition and contrition do not requires verbal acknowledgment of sins.
Do I need to have confessed all my sins to Him to receive perfect contrition or to say the Act of Contrition on my own time (while still intending to seek formal confession, that is).
He alredy knows them and Act of Contrition without contrition is null.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

Read the 4 gospels:
Matthew, the gospel written for Jews
Mark, the gospel written for the persecuted
Luke, the gospel written for Gentiles (non-Jews)
John, the theological gospel

Next, read a book (or two) that describes the history, beliefs, practices, and theology of the Church. I'm Orthodox, so I'll recommend something Orthodox, but others can suggest something different of course. So I recommend:
The Orthodox Church; 3rd edition (Met. Kallistos Ware)
The Orthodox Way (Met. Kallistos Ware)
Alternatively, this catechism:
Living God

Now you have enough understanding of Christianity to interpret the OT and the rest of the NT correctly. So you should read the Bible, cover to cover. It's not super important which Bible you read, just as long as you avoid terrible translations like the Jehova's Witness'. The Orthodox in the US use both the NKJV and the RSV, while there is a ban on the NRSV. The Catholics in the US use the NABRE.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Thank you.

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

Is writing
“If you guys feel the Holy Spirit giving you faith.. I feel the unholy spirit taking my faith“
Blasphemy?

Mason Parker
Mason Parker

That is 1:1 copy of what I wrote, I feel so gloomy since then my soul hurts

Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

My stomach hurts, I can’t sleep, I’m fasting nearly every second day, I need the truth, someone please tell me this is not it

Nathan White
Nathan White

This is not *blasphemy

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

Oh my god, Jesus said whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit.. thank God, thank God.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

You shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain.
Also, be careful with strict fasting unless done under the guidance of a spiritual advisor – you could fall into prelest or seriously hurt yourself.

Jaxon Nguyen
Jaxon Nguyen

Does anyone know where I can get an ebook Bible?

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

forgottenbooks.com/en/books/TheWaysofMentalPrayer_10112870

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

I don't identify with them. When I fear thinking something obscene, that fear instantly conjures up the thought or image. It was not my will or intention. So I just observe it and let it go, then focus on what is under my control - what l can be responsible for and change.

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

The anti-theists are generally more rational than the atheists. They are interested in truth and taking their reasoning all the way to the edge. They have the most potential for transformation.

Parker Sullivan
Parker Sullivan

Which translation and ebook format do you want?

Jack Diaz
Jack Diaz

Are you thinking of Matthew 12:31?

"Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin."

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not mere words or feeling. Writing that is not blasphemy.

You should fast in moderation. You will weaken your body and mind by going to such extremes, and if you push too far it could take months or years to fully recover.

Jaxson Reed
Jaxson Reed

Can I be both Orthodox and Catholic?

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

Melkites revendicate the "both Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic" identity, especially since the Zoghby Initiative.

But strictly speaking, the Catholics will say they are fully and truly Orthodox and Catholic, and the Orthodox will say they are fully and truly Orthodox and Catholic. Both titles were used by the pre-schism Church, so yeah…

If your question is whether you can be both Latin rite and Byzantine rite… not really.

Kevin Morales
Kevin Morales

I feel very strong right now
But you’re right - I will fast three days now instead

Austin Sanders
Austin Sanders

I was trying to find an rsv (or whatever isn't too "olde timey") epub. I found a mobile version, but it just kept crashing my e-reader.

Joshua Harris
Joshua Harris

Who said that it doesn't? We're a real ornery pack of sinners here

Jack King
Jack King

Thoughts on Seventh Day Adventists? No particular aim with this thread, but wouldn't just attending Church on Saturday do the trick instead of having to follow an entire denomination?

Also, what are your thoughts on the Church of Christ (the autonomous ones, not the ICOC)? There's unluckily none in my area of the latter, because those seem great and in a very harmonious alignment with Protestant thought.

Lucas King
Lucas King

They basically are Jehova False Witnesses

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

Does anyone have a good Bible reading plan for half a year or one year for reading the Bible in chronological order?

This seems like a good one but some of the days same goofy, like telling you to read only one chapter that isn't even very long

biblestudytools.com/bible-reading-plan/chronological.html

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

If I follow EVERY christian rule from the moment I'm born, except believing in God, will I still get into heaven?

Jason Bell
Jason Bell

No, faith + works is required.

Bentley Butler
Bentley Butler

Works is required
People with inculpable ignorance aren't saved
What demonination are you?

Asher Morris
Asher Morris

“Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:24‬

‬‬“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”
‭‭Hosea‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

From that question, it doesn't sound like the poster is ignorant of God and instead just chooses not to worship Him. People with ignorance of God can be saved, but only if such ignorance is by no fault of their own.

Grayson Stewart
Grayson Stewart

Can any Orthodox explain what's happening here? I get that the Holy Fire miracle ceremony happens after but what is all this before? The shouting and playing the drums??
youtu.be/FRJL7_hfPSg?t=29m9s

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

muh james 2
youtu.be/uYPNYW3c5UY

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Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

Whybdid the catholic church do this?

Dylan Bailey
Dylan Bailey

the catholics are so stupid for cutting the 10th commandment in two! it makes no sense!
cutting the first commandment in two isn't stupid, it just makes sense!
<following the way the Synagogue of Satan organises its commandments is what Jesus would have wanted!
What did he mean by this?

Also, regarding images:
practicalapologetics.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/early-church-fathers-on-relics-statues.html

Carter Price
Carter Price

Yeah, it does make a lot more sense. The last 5 are quoted in the NT and it just says thou shall not covet

<following the way the Synagogue of Satan organises its commandments is what Jesus would have wanted!
What? He literally just showed that the synagogue of satan cuts the last in two
:)

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

can someone answer this if you know

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

What we're all arguing about when this comes up over and over is in fact Iconoclasm correct? Catholics and Orthodox as doctrine officially call it as heresy, and this war used to be allot more hot with churches being physically raided and their images destroyed, but in various fundamentalist protestant circles it seems to be emerging once again. Without sperging out over it I find that really interesting.

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Robert Wood
Robert Wood

Yeah, it does make a lot more sense.
Not really, since the prot second commandment is really just an elaboration on the first, so essentially you have the first commandment twice.
The Septuaguint's 9th and 10th commandment makes more sense in terms of dealing charitably with other people.

The last 5 are quoted in the NT and it just says thou shall not covet
By that logic though he also says to love the Lord alone, and nothing about making any images.
Pedantry aside, it can be reasonable inferrerd that referring to the Commandments He meant not to covet (possessions or people) and to love the Lord (including not making or worshiping idols of other gods).

What we're all arguing about when this comes up over and over is in fact Iconoclasm correct?
No.
Even for nothing else, if making an image of the Lord is evil, how much more evil is it to destory that same image?
That image that you have posted is part of a larger picture from a psalter in which it mocks the Patriarch Ioannis, scubbing out an image of the Lord, saying something like "Even while He was crucified, the soldiers gave Him gall and vinegar", the implication being that even blasphemous pagan soldiers were more respectful of Christ than his own patriarch.

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

Depends on your take. If you believe the image is holy then destroying it is wicked as hell. If you believe graven images are idolatry than it's existence is wicked as hell. That's why this argument will never end.

Bentley Richardson
Bentley Richardson

No, I get it, but my point is kind of split over those two notions.
If I, being an Iconoclast, see an image purporting to be Christ, and I then go to deliberately destroy it, it just seems like I am inviting judgment on myself, like that soldier that struck Christ in the Temple.
"Is that any way to speak to the High priest?"

Even ignoring all of the more autistic "we don't know what He really looked like" points, I am still acknowleding that it is an image of Christ, and therefore destroying it. On the other hand, if I see an image that pruports to be Christ, if we don't really know what He looked like, then I can't be realy offended by it.
It's a weird paradox.

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

I think about it allot. I can't help but think no matter how beautiful it is it's still just paint and wood. Since God is limitless and everywhere maybe to create an image of God or of Christ we're then placing our own understanding and limitations on God. We're trying to interpret a mystery beyond human comprehension and then to make that completely inadequate image to represent it and say "this is holy" when it's the work of our own hands and imagination, could that be pride? God warned us even to not kneel before his sun or sky because we may be compelled to worship those instead. I wonder if we do a disservice to ourselves by not removing these imitations we make and concentrating entirely on the direct experience of God.

Caleb Thomas
Caleb Thomas

Since God is limitless and everywhere maybe to create an image of God or of Christ we're then placing our own understanding and limitations on God.
Not really, since because the Lord took the limitations of flesh upon Himself first, including mortality. And as you state, we recognise that it is just paint, wood, stone and metal. We can very much distinguish between the creature and the Creator.

We're trying to interpret a mystery beyond human comprehension and then to make that completely inadequate image to represent it and say "this is holy" when it's the work of our own hands and imagination, could that be pride?
I'm not sure I agree. First of all we recognise that regardless of what we do in His Name, it will always be inadequate, so recognising that an image is inadequate is analogous to recognising that any words of love or gratitude or sorrow will never be adequate either. It's kind of like when a child draws a picture of his father (as a stick man in a tie, for example) then the father will love it, not because it's a realistic portrait, but because of the love that motivated its creation. The child doesn't suddenly believe that the image is literally his father. We stutter and burble like children, but even these faltering words of ours, show the Father truly how much we love Him.
So no, I wouldn't say it's pride. At least not when it is done respectfully and not with things like homoerotic murals of Christ embracing his naked clergymen.

I wonder if we do a disservice to ourselves by not removing these imitations we make and concentrating entirely on the direct experience of God.
As if we can't do both. At least for Catholics, there are hundreds if not thousands of saints who have been moved to such an experience by both word and image.

That said, even speaking as a Catholic, seeing depictions of the Father, as anything other than the Manus Dei or even the Tetragrammaton makes me a little uneasy.

Logan Gutierrez
Logan Gutierrez

Having no other gods compared to making statues is a lot different than another coveting

Also when Moses is giving the 10 commandments it has don't covet your neighbors house before his house. So did Moses go from commandment 8 to 10 then to 9 then back to 10?

Jayden Howard
Jayden Howard

your neighbors house before his house.
Meant for the second house to be wife

Also here's where it says that
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

I am still acknowleding that it is an image of Christ, and therefore destroying it.
And he literally said he won't share his praise with graven images
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

Having no other gods compared to making statues is a lot different than another coveting
Yes, because in those days idolatry and statues were very closely linked, to the point that in many surrounding cultures, it was believed that the gods actually lived in their statues, which is why it was such a major triumph and insult to steal a nations gods and place them in your own temples after defeating them in war.
The Lord isn't just throwing in "By the way, no images" as a casual aside, since the above is what is being referred to. This is why having the first and second commandments separate like that seems repetitive.

Also when Moses is giving the 10 commandments it has don't covet your neighbors house before his house. So did Moses go from commandment 8 to 10 then to 9 then back to 10?
No, because the Commandments also occur in Deuteronomy 5, in which the "Wife" explicitly comes before the "possessions" (Dt 5:21).

And he literally said he won't share his praise with graven images
Which is great, because we don't do that, nor do we ask Him to share it.

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

Article 4. Whether the precepts of the decalogue are suitably distinguished from one another?

Objection 1. It would seem that the precepts of the decalogue are unsuitably distinguished from one another. For worship is a virtue distinct from faith. Now the precepts are about acts of virtue. But that which is said at the beginning of the decalogue, "Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me," belongs to faith: and that which is added, "Thou shalt not make . . . any graven thing," etc. belongs to worship. Therefore these are not one precept, as Augustine asserts (Qq. in Exod. qu. lxxi), but two.

Objection 2. Further, the affirmative precepts in the Law are distinct from the negative precepts; e.g. "Honor thy father and thy mother," and, "Thou shalt not kill." But this, "I am the Lord thy God," is affirmative: and that which follows, "Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me," is negative. Therefore these are two precepts, and do not, as Augustine says (Qq. in Exod. qu. lxxi), make one.

Objection 3. Further, the Apostle says (Romans 7:7): "I had not known concupiscence, if the Law did not say: 'Thou shalt not covet.'" Hence it seems that this precept, "Thou shalt not covet," is one precept; and, therefore, should not be divided into two.

On the contrary, stands the authority of Augustine who, in commenting on Exodus (Qq. in Exod. qu. lxxi) distinguishes three precepts as referring to God, and seven as referring to our neighbor.

I answer that, The precepts of the decalogue are differently divided by different authorities. For Hesychius commenting on Leviticus 26:26, "Ten women shall bake your bread in one oven," says that the precept of the Sabbath-day observance is not one of the ten precepts, because its observance, in the letter, is not binding for all time. But he distinguishes four precepts pertaining to God, the first being, "I am the Lord thy God"; the second, "Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me," (thus also Jerome distinguishes these two precepts, in his commentary on Hosea 10:10, "On thy" [Vulgate: "their"] "two iniquities"); the third precept according to him is, "Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven thing"; and the fourth, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." He states that there are six precepts pertaining to our neighbor; the first, "Honor thy father and thy mother"; the second, "Thou shalt not kill"; the third, "Thou shalt not commit adultery"; the fourth, "Thou shalt not steal"; the fifth, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"; the sixth, "Thou shalt not covet."

But, in the first place, it seems unbecoming for the precept of the Sabbath-day observance to be put among the precepts of the decalogue, if it nowise belonged to the decalogue. Secondly, because, since it is written (Matthew 6:24), "No man can serve two masters," the two statements, "I am the Lord thy God," and, "Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me" seem to be of the same nature and to form one precept. Hence Origen (Hom. viii in Exod.) who also distinguishes four precepts as referring to God, unites these two under one precept; and reckons in the second place, "Thou shalt not make . . . any graven thing"; as third, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain"; and as fourth, "Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath-day." The other six he reckons in the same way as Hesychius.

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

Since, however, the making of graven things or the likeness of anything is not forbidden except as to the point of their being worshipped as gods—for God commanded an image of the Seraphim [Vulgate: Cherubim] to be made and placed in the tabernacle, as related in Exodus 25:18—Augustine more fittingly unites these two, "Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me," and, "Thou shalt not make . . . any graven thing," into one precept. Likewise to covet another's wife, for the purpose of carnal knowledge, belongs to the concupiscence of the flesh; whereas, to covet other things, which are desired for the purpose of possession, belongs to the concupiscence of the eyes; wherefore Augustine reckons as distinct precepts, that which forbids the coveting of another's goods, and that which prohibits the coveting of another's wife. Thus he distinguishes three precepts as referring to God, and seven as referring to our neighbor. And this is better.

Reply to Objection 1. Worship is merely a declaration of faith: wherefore the precepts about worship should not be reckoned as distinct from those about faith. Nevertheless precepts should be given about worship rather than about faith, because the precept about faith is presupposed to the precepts of the decalogue, as is also the precept of charity. For just as the first general principles of the natural law are self-evident to a subject having natural reason, and need no promulgation; so also to believe in God is a first and self-evident principle to a subject possessed of faith: "for he that cometh to God, must believe that He is" (Hebrews 11:6). Hence it needs no other promulgation that the infusion of faith.

Reply to Objection 2. The affirmative precepts are distinct from the negative, when one is not comprised in the other: thus that man should honor his parents does not include that he should not kill another man; nor does the latter include the former. But when an affirmative precept is included in a negative, or vice versa, we do not find that two distinct precepts are given: thus there is not one precept saying that "Thou shalt not steal," and another binding one to keep another's property intact, or to give it back to its owner. In the same way there are not different precepts about believing in God, and about not believing in strange gods.

Reply to Objection 3. All covetousness has one common ratio: and therefore the Apostle speaks of the commandment about covetousness as though it were one. But because there are various special kinds of covetousness, therefore Augustine distinguishes different prohibitions against coveting: for covetousness differs specifically in respect of the diversity of actions or things coveted, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. x, 5).

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

No, because the Commandments also occur in Deuteronomy 5, in which the "Wife" explicitly comes before the "possessions" (Dt 5:21).
And when Moses is actually giving the 10 commandments house is befire wife. Later on when he repeats it he switches it around but on the tablets it was house then wife

Joshua Walker
Joshua Walker

Later on when he repeats it he switches it around but on the tablets it was house then wife
If Moses switched it around so freely himself (and is not rebuked by God for doing so), then the order is apparently irrelevant. Since both versions are ultimately scriptural, it is fair game.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

St. Ignatius of Antioch said the Docetists "abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ." I can get why they might abstain from the Eucharist since Docetism asserted that Christ had no physical body, but why did they abstain from prayer?

Lucas Allen
Lucas Allen

then the order is apparently irrelevant
Yeah, because not coveting your neighbors wife and not coveting your neighbors house is the same commandment. What wouldn't make sense is going commandment 8 then 10 then 9 then back to 10

Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

how do i go about being in the music industry but remaining christian ? i don't like contemporary christian music but i dont know how to sell an image without being a degenerate.

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee

Say "no" and go from there. If you have to break up, break up. But don't assume the relationship is over because you refused to buy her a fucking sex toy.

Elijah Perez
Elijah Perez

What does Zig Forums think of Shusaku Endo, the author of Silence? I’m reading all of his works (missing only three of them) and there are some interesting yet at times “scandalous “ ideas in his writings

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

Do it in a subtle and cunning way, do not be one of those “””Christian “”” musicians who love to make a fool out of themselves and the faith.

Levi Ross
Levi Ross

Not according to Deut 5.
Try to argue against it as you might, they are both scriptural.

Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

When Abraham & his wife conceived kids at an old age, would that made their children autistic? I always wonder about that.
Well figures, I haven't seen Kekposting on /pol/ for a long time. Though, when Sargon of the Skeptics™ Community™ popularized Kekism last year, his Skeptics™ Community™ fell apart with in the same year with that whole race realism happening. Now that's some poetic justice right there.

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Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

So you know how churches have the signs with the letters? The local Baptist church put "1 cross + 3 nails = 4given" on theirs. Is that blasphemy? Or witty evangelism?

Oliver Gomez
Oliver Gomez

What? According to Duet 5 it's the same commandment since you can switch it around. And again when Moses literally gait the 10 commandments(not a restatement if what happened) it had house first

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Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

In Exidus 20:11 it says why we have the sabbath day(pic) and in Deut 5 it doesn't mention it. Is that then no longer the reason(you probably don't even believe in 6 day creation anyways)?
Duet 5
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.

13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

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Camden Fisher
Camden Fisher

My point is that it sinks your "10 > 9 > 10" argument. Both forms are used, since both being legitimate. Exodus is God speaking to Moses, Deuteronomy is Moses then relaying this to the Israelites. The same commandments are made and requested to be kept, and, again, as Moses was not punished or rebuked for this, we ought to overlook it as minor.

Sabbath
The focus is shifted, not lost. In Exodus God is speaking to Moses about the significance of the Sabbath. In Deuteronomy Moses is telling this to the Israelites and how to actually fulfil this commandment.

(you probably don't even believe in 6 day creation anyways)?
Stick your suppositions up your ass. If Scripture says six days then it's six days. Stay on topic.

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

Stick your suppositions up your ass
I am being blown away by your incredible virtue
If Scripture says six days then it's six days
Where does it say you must interpret the bible literally?

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

My point is that it sinks your "10 > 9 > 10" argument.
No it really doesn't at all
Both forms are used, since both being legitimate
Because it's the same commandment. You believe they're two separate ones. That would be like if it went
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

That would be autistic

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

Where does it say you must interpret the bible literally?
With that it's called not being retarded. Six day creationism is literally part of the 10 commandments

Angel White
Angel White

/r/Catholicism isQuite good

Joshua Bell
Joshua Bell

Lets say we come into contact with aliens…
Would it be a death sentence to marry them, engage in sexual relations, or otherwise parlay with them?
Considering that there's a difference between them and, "Beasts?" As they're sapient and sentient and, "Beasts," are not?

If not a death sentence, what punishment would there be if any?
Why?

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Henry Gutierrez
Henry Gutierrez

quantam presbyterians

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

The absolute state of papists on Zig Forums

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

Lets say we come into contact with aliens…
If it was possible it would have happened by now.

Noah Brooks
Noah Brooks

Probably not prayer as a whole, but eucharistic prayers.

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

Do you ever feel like asking if the person you prayed for feels better?

Noah Moore
Noah Moore

If you see fit to dismiss the question so…
Lets say we as humanity create a new species that is sapient and sentient.

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

Where can I buy this icon?
It's of Our Lady of Glastonbury.

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Jacob Torres
Jacob Torres

How do you respond when someone says there were multiple gods in the old testament because of verses like "You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth"

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

"that's cause if it aint Jesus it's Satan."
chambers shotgun
"Now git out!"

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

Two routes.
All of Heathen gods are demons t. David
Idolatry is giving supreme and highest worship (latria) to idol. Idol is any creature that is placed in stead or above God (s)t. Thomas Aquinas

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

Real stupid question inbound. What does the symbolism of the Lamb in Revelations 5 actually mean. I understand that 7 is the number of perfection but why seven eyes and seven horns other than the very shallow analysis that the Lamb has perfect sight and ultimate power. There must be more to it and it's been bothering me since Sunday when we had a sermon involving Revelations

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

Pray for my sister lads, she wants to become a FTM and possibly sterilize herself in the process. What can I do? She can't be reasoned with.

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

All my friends are degenerate atheists, and I can't stand it anymore. Do I just leave them, whenever I try to stop talking to them I always give in a couple days later, I am lonely and have no other friends. I just want them out of my life, I tried telling them not to do things like objectify women, but they are just proud of the women they "bag." It makes me freaking sick to my stomach, I don't know what to do.

Even the one Catholic friend I have who is similar to me politically and belief wise, still gives into the fruit of lust. I will not be a hypocrite, I do as well, but I try to repent. When I tell him to go to traditional mass and confession, he does not follow my advise.

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

I would say just cut contact from them, since you've already tried telling them and they didn't listen. Join a christian group or some kind of community that doesn't compromised your values.
whenever I try to stop talking to them I always give in a couple days later, I am lonely and have no other friends.
The answer is find a new community, look theological groups close by.

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

I will not be a hypocrite, I do as well, but I try to repent
I don't know if the correct course or action is to judge him. I suggest you pray for him, and if the time is right and he is willing, offer some catechisis. Perhaps he doesn't fully understand the consequences of his actions.
When I tell him to go to traditional mass
What do you mean by this? Are you suggesting he go to a sedevaticanist church?

Colton Butler
Colton Butler

I don't like to judge people, since I personally struggle with an addiction to pornography and know just how hard it is, but we did nofap together before and this time he doesn't really want to, might just be because he is lonely. He did have some girlfriends, but then premarital sex becomes a thing, which is a whole different discussion…
I should have clarified, I told him to attend because I bring up often that I want to become a better Catholic and going to traditional mass has helped appreciate mass more, since I know that he does not go that often to regular mass, since he became really disappointed with his priest preaching about "diversity and refugees." His words.

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

What's the age of consent for sex in Christianity (assuming marriage)? Let's say I have a son in middle school age, and he's really horny all the time and I don't want him to sin (e.g. masturbation, fornication). At what age is it ok for me to get him married to someone and what is the minimum age she (the wife to be) has to be in the sight of God (as opposed to human convention)?

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

Is it a sin to watch him? (as long as the video doesn't concern christianity)

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Brody Rodriguez
Brody Rodriguez

are cursed images like pic related ok to look at?

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Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

The different translations of 2 Thessalonians 1:6 make it unclear whether Paul is saying that you can take vengeance yourself or whether God does it.
Can I get some help with this?

Andrew Thomas
Andrew Thomas

He sold?

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Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

That's not real.
The only truly cursed images I know of are pornographic in nature, and they are NOT ok to look at.

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

If a wise man contend with a fool, whether he be angry or laugh, he shall find no rest.

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

What's the age of consent for sex in Christianity (assuming marriage)?
16 for male and 14 for female is minmal age for marriage. I would wait with sex 2-4 years.

Jonathan Turner
Jonathan Turner

Can you give me the source for that and the reasoning behind it? Thanks in advance.

William Green
William Green

In this icon of the Council of Nicaea (sorry about the terrible resolution), there's a few individuals depicted without halos.
Three of them (Arius being centre-stage, the other two off to the sides) are wearing vaguely similar turban-esque headwear. Is this meant to identify them as Arians?
The last one is near the back, to the right of Jesus Christ, wearing some kind of felted cap.
Any info as to his significance?

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Austin Hill
Austin Hill

No, to understand the meaning of that sin you need to take the passage in context. When Jesus spoke of that blasphemy, it is immediately followed with "For they (pharisees) were saying "He has an unclean spirit"

What had happened there was–Jesus had clearly demonstrated His divine authority, and that He truly was of God. He cast out demons, but the scholars of the Old Testament, knowing God's word more than anybody else, should have acknowledged He was who He said He was. Instead, they INSISTED He was a liar, and hardened their hearts against Him. The unforgivable sin being talked about is insisting that Jesus wasn't who He said He was, despite knowing better. The Pharisees, as we see through the rest of scripture, never repented of this. Because how could they? They were so hardened in their ways.

Don't worry, if you are concerned about this, it is absolute proof you aren't guilty of it.

Jackson Parker
Jackson Parker

Can you give me the source for that
Code of Canon Law.
Can. 1083 §1. A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age cannot enter into a valid marriage.
§2. The conference of bishops is free to establish a higher age for the licit celebration of marriage.
and the reasoning behind it?
"Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" is really stupid idea, proven by two facts: a) biological maturity ends developing after that b) especially in current socio-economic culture fourteen and sxteen year olds are still kids (at most mentally) and are not fit for haveing kids on thier own.
Three of them (Arius being centre-stage, the other two off to the sides) are wearing vaguely similar turban-esque headwear. Is this meant to identify them as Arians?
Knowing that only Arius, Theonas of Marmarica in Libya, and Secundus of Ptolemais did not accepted The Credd probably those three are them.
Any info as to his significance?
Looks like some kind of Deacon to me. Dunno

Christopher Roberts
Christopher Roberts

My doctor just told me I'm sterile. If I pray hard enough, will God grant me fertility? All I want to do is give children to my beautiful wife.

Cooper White
Cooper White

Spray and pray and maybe God will grant you a miracle. Maybe, because there is no guarantee. God may have another plan for you.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

Wveryone in the Bible that was sterile eventually had kids

Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

Did Jesus burn in hell for 3 days for our sins? forgive me for this, I had to ask it.

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Landon Jones
Landon Jones

Are jews Edomites as Maccabees says or are modern jews the Japhetic Ashkenaz tribe?

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

Adventists seem to believe in the Trinity in the same way as any other Christians.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

Adventists seem to be fine. I regard them as Christians. Took a biblical course during one year with a Adventist Theologian.

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Eli White
Eli White

They are trinitarians now pretty straightforwardly, but in the past there were more problems, but it' hard to determine sometimes what was based off of differing theology and what was based off of edgy contrarianism

Brandon Myers
Brandon Myers

No, he conquered death by death and brought life to those in the tombs
Source?

Nathaniel Thompson
Nathaniel Thompson

Of course not. It was Triumph! It was Conquest of Hell and Death! King finally leading his rightful captives unto glory!

Read this accent homily, it will get your thoughts stright vatican.va/spirit/documents/spirit_20010414_omelia-sabato-santo_en.html

Both books of Maccabees says that Judas wrecked Essau's shit
They incorporation into Jewish nation was of later date. Some of Jesus' disciples were from there, some helped the Jewish Zealots during 70 AD but they were always more like drop of vinegar in glass of salty water.
What shall it profit, brethren if man have works but not faith? Can works save him? You see that without faith works are like soul without body. By faith man is saved and not works alone.
Read Session Six of Council of Trent, especially first Canon.

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

Obviously not.
There are a few ways we can understand death.
The one I find most probable and reasonable is that we enter a "coma/sleep" state, in which our minds don't work at all. Basically our souls are resting.
So after we die we won't necessarily go straight to heaven or hell, we first wait until Jesus returns until he decides where we should go to.
Now you should have phrased better your question, to something less offensive as: "After Jesus died where was He for the next three days?" Your question denotes nonetheless an interesting doubt I also share and believe it to be a mystery (no one would actually know how to answer it for you with certainty right now)

Josiah Barnes
Josiah Barnes

So after we die we won't necessarily go straight to heaven or hell, we first wait until Jesus returns until he decides where we should go to.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.
Soul Sleep is really stupid and does not hold true in light of the Bible and other Apostolic traditions.

Hudson Reed
Hudson Reed

The Bible doesn't make the concept of death completely clear. That's why we should be ok with non-contradictory interpretations, such as Soul Sleep. You therefore should be more respectful next time.

Robert Evans
Robert Evans

Are there feelings of love in Christianity or is it just perpetually increasing self loathing?

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

we sleep until the last judgement
h-heresy
newadvent.org/cathen/08550a.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/08552a.htm
As soon as you die you are judged individually and go to heaven/hell/purgatory. Then we wait until the last judgement when we all get resurrected back into our bodies and get judged again in groups. This latter part is in the Nicene creed.

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

The number one commandment is to love God with all your heart and soul.

Christian Rogers
Christian Rogers

The Bible doesn't make the concept of death completely clear.
It does. You die. Then Judgment. Heaven (be it short or long way) or Hell. Resurrection. Last Judgment. New Jerusalem or Second Death. It's really simple.
That's why we should be ok with non-contradictory interpretations, such as Soul Sleep.
Soul Sleep does not take into account that Soul of departed don't sleep. They are witnesses. Alvie and well.

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel.

To quote Calvin: “that we are joined to holy souls, which have put off their bodies, and left behind them all the filth of this world; and hence he says that they are consecrated or “made perfect”, for they are no more subject to the infirmities of the flesh, having laid aside the flesh itself. And hence we may with certainty conclude, that pious souls, separated from their bodies, still live with God, for we could not possibly be otherwise joined to them as companions.” (In other words, Calvin is showing why Luther was wrong to believe in soul sleep – the Saints are in Heaven right now!)

Jayden Jackson
Jayden Jackson

Do christians worship Jesus' human nature or just his divine one?

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

We read in the chapters of the Fifth Council [coll. viii, can. 9]: "If anyone say that Christ is adored in two natures, so as to introduce two distinct adorations, and does not adore God the Word made flesh with the one and the same adoration as His flesh, as the Church has handed down from the beginning; let such a one be anathema."

newadvent.org/summa/4025.htm

Lincoln Russell
Lincoln Russell

but what does the bible say?

Julian Evans
Julian Evans

Alright so the created, finite human nature of Jesus is also worshipped(or adored) as part of the triune God, got it.

Ryder Bailey
Ryder Bailey

To listen to Church. And beside this:
Psalm 98:5, "Adore His foot-stool," a gloss explains "He who adores the body of Christ, regards not the earth, but rather Him whose foot-stool it is, in Whose honor he adores the foot-stool." But the incarnate Word is adored with the adoration of "latria." Therefore also His body or His humanity.
Did you read what I posted?
"If anyone dare to say that the man assumed should be adored besides the Divine Word, as though these were distinct persons; and does not rather honor the Emmanuel with one single adoration, inasmuch as the Word was made flesh; let him be anathema."
Christ's human nature was assumed by Second Person of Trinity, not Trinity itself.

Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

Yes and it said
the same adoration as His flesh
So you adore the created flesh, right?

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

It's amazing how often proddys do try and divide Him when they try to refute Theotokos

Dylan Diaz
Dylan Diaz

Why is Steven Anderson so revered on here?

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

The dude is hilarious. Im a Gadolig and even I like him.

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

As in you laugh at him or laugh with him?

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.

Liam Russell
Liam Russell

Although not perfect, he's right on a lot of stuff.

Anthony Anderson
Anthony Anderson

How do you (and others here) feel about his call to violence against homosexuals? Is responding to a reprobate mind with murder really the perogative of the Church? Isn't our duty to try and save every soul, no matter how lost, and leave the judgement to God?

I am not defending homosexuality, but the rhetoric comes off to me as giving up on fellow man and giving in to wrath for things "too hard to change" when we have evidence of the worst sinners coming back to Christ. His message seems like angry defeatism.

Easton Reed
Easton Reed

Think about it this way:
when the Israelites ignored Moses' laws in regards to Canaanite pagansin the book of Joshua, there was a resurgence of false god worship and child sacrifice in Judges. Which lead to God punishing the Israelites in Jeremiah.

Now, here in the west, sodomy is legal. We have ignored Leviticus 20:13 and now there rampet STDs and AIDS in society. Sodomites have positions in power (its no longer a felony in California to purposely give someone AIDS) allowing them to destroy our nation. Sodomites have infiltrated the clergy (allowing them to rape innocent alterboys.) They even form discord cults where the lure impressionable boy (mostly robots) and then blackmail them into becoming traps.
They are a cancer on society! The only cure is PHYSICAL REMOVAL of the malignant tumors.

Just like in Jeremiah, God is punishing us by sending hordes of Muslims into Europe and having (((Bolshevism))) rise in the Americas.

So yes, tolerance of these sodomites is and shall always be a mistake. A mistake that can only be rectified by making sodomy illegal again (with punishment by death)

#MakeSodomyIllegalAgain

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Noah Cox
Noah Cox

Here is my principal concern, then:

In the absence of a government who would carry out the death penalty for homosexuals, it is then the responsibility of each individual Christian to break the covenant of Ex 20:13 and murder their fellow man to uphold the directive of Lv 20:13. I fear the Lord and try to love Him as He loves me; but I cannot reconcile becoming a tool of murder when I know in my heart that our mission is to save our fellow man and to bring them into Christ through love rather than through fear and punishment. I believe that God inspires fear and weighs punishment, but the conflict of scripture leaves me confused and saddened on my role. I have brought a homosexual friend to Christ, and they are celibate now thanks to His grace. I cannot imagine having to kill them. I cannot imagine that anyone should ever be given up on, and now I am losing faith as many of my brothers and sisters claim that that is what must be done.

Ryan Myers
Ryan Myers

I adore Person, Christ. And this person, not Trinity, have flesh. And blood. And soul. Read article you maggot.
Someone said at break of Reformation that Luther resurrected all of ancient heresies. Nestorianism is not exception.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

I read the article. You worship the created flesh and all else that comes with the human body.

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

And how many sodomite clergymen said they were going to stay celibate than gave into their passions afterwards?
Im sure your sodomite friend is a good person, but unless he fully repents his sinful identity he will burn in hell with the rest of the sodomites.

inb4 but God made him that way

False, God never creates someone to live in sin. That's their choice and their choice alone.

Hudson Ortiz
Hudson Ortiz

How do I save my young siblings from this degenerated society? I don't want to see my brother falling for drugs, I don't want to see my sister becoming a whore. I honestly have no idea what to do. My mother lets them go out with absolutely despicable people. My father doesn't give a shit on what is going on with their life as long as it is not economical. My family is also completely secular and lacks any morality besides "don't be a bad person". Whenever I try to talk to my mother about restricting a bit more their social life she says she doesn't want to lock them up inside.

It probably doesn't belong here but I don't know where to go with this, nobody listens to me irl.

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Brayden Hall
Brayden Hall

Then you have serious reading problems.

Since, therefore, in Christ there is but one Person of the Divine and human natures, and one hypostasis, and one suppositum, He is given one adoration and one honor on the part of the Person adored': but on the part of the cause for which He is honored, we can say that there are several adorations, for instance that He receives one honor on account of His uncreated knowledge, and another on account of His created knowledge.

The adoration of "latria" is not given to Christ's humanity in respect of itself; but in respect of the Godhead to which it is united, by reason of which Christ is not less than the Father.

Talk with them first and foremost. With your brother it would be easier, take him on camping for few days and explain to him what's matters in life, how he ought to behave. With your sister it will be harder but I am sure that you can figure someway to connect with her. This site is good, even if you are not Catholic but you should, or at least get yourself and your siblings into traditional church/congregation finerfem.com/

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

Do pets/animals go to heaven?

Jaxson Scott
Jaxson Scott

No, they lack immortal souls

Nolan Davis
Nolan Davis

So what's the deal with doing schoolwork on Sundays, from a Catholic perspective? Is it a sin or just discouraged? And if it is a sin, is it mortal?

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

Some dude in Bible got stoned for working on saturday, so ask yourself again.

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

Is draft evasion a sin?

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Adrian Thompson
Adrian Thompson

Depends on your country. Assuming you are in Burgerland, it isn't because America fights for the devil and not God.

So if you are avoiding the American draft, than no. But if you lived in a more righteous country like Poland (assuming they had a draft) than i'd say yes.

Xavier Kelly
Xavier Kelly

Johhny, do your homework or no Super 3D Noahs Ark for you tonight.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

What about Israel?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Naddaf

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

From the Book of John
42 Jesus said unto (((them))), If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 (((Ye))) are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

Third Commandment says "To keep Holy Day holy". First precept of the Church explains it "During sundays and holy days of obligations you shall attend mass and restrain yourself from unnecessary work".
If you have to schoolwork, do it during Saturday.
But if you don't have to, and doing school work is rather for of hobby then you can do it on Sunday. Or at least that's how I understood it
When rightful authority commands you to do something that is either in accordance to Divine Law or not against it, you have to be obedient for disobedience is serious mortal sin.
Being drafted is not contray to Divine Law. See Soliders and John the Baptist discurse.

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

How does one cleanse themselves of transgender ideology successfully? I pray to God for wisdom. I am trying to live life as what God made me as, a female, instead of what the world had made me into: a nonbinary tranny.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

Prayer and study.

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Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

Step 1: Stop using popular cultural terminology. There's no such thing as "nonbinary something something". It's literally made up boolshiet.

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

Depends on your country. Assuming you are in Burgerland, it isn't because America fights for the devil and not God.

Christian-killing Rome was okay to join and soldiers were recommended to be okay with their wages
The United states is just too much though, they might be able to change something in God's plan
Daily reminder that if its unlawful to do, it is also sinful to do. If God throws military conscription at you, accept it.

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William Bennett
William Bennett

test

Liam Johnson
Liam Johnson

Shalom Chaim!

Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

asking a question only so you can hear the answers you already want

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

if its unlawful to do, it is also sinful to do
Not necessarily. There are things that are lawful and sinful and unlawful and sinless.
For example it is unlawful for clergy to fight as it is unlawful for any who shed blood in fight to become priest even if in both cases it would not be sinful.

Noah Allen
Noah Allen

Okay calm down. I could have pointed out the intricacies of it all but it was not necessary at the time.

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

I am calm. Nothing you said was wrong, I just expanded upon it.

Jose Hughes
Jose Hughes

Do you live in the EU? If so, your taxes go more to suppressing Christianity than any American's.

Ryan Cooper
Ryan Cooper

Is there any online site that converts pictures into stained glass, like those mosaic pasta and pizza pictures?

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David Taylor
David Taylor

Hello, today was the my first day at church. I went to an orthodox church, I have already studied the bible and studied many denominations before making my decision.
How much should I study or for how long I should attend church before I partake in taking the flesh and blood of Christ?
I was taking to a girl there and she asked the priest how I could partake in it. The priest talked to me and he basically said "calm down".

Certainly the answer is dependant on the subject, but how long did you attend church before you did it?
Thanks in advance.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

Why are we supposed to listen to Saint Paul? Literally everytime I quote him to a good friend when he's one of the few sources for an issue he just says something like "He's just a man who didn't even meet Christ lol" and I don't know how to respond.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. "
For those verses(and a few others) to make sense under a world where Paul successfully modified the bible, we would have to change them, since clearly he can prevail against the church(Visible or not), and can imitate the Lord's voice(since distrust in Pauline scripts is a recent development), and can snatch people out of God's hand, and is a better deceiver than even Satan since he has fooled millions of Christians.

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

can snatch people out of God's hand, and is a better deceiver than even Satan since he has fooled millions of Christians.
Implying Satan hasn't done so today with all the liberal heresy going around.

Jaxon Jackson
Jaxon Jackson

How do you guys interpret isaiah 45:7?
Sounds to me like God is taking responsibility for evil.

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

it's a sin to not go die for the jews

Joseph King
Joseph King

What does Zig Forums think of this film? I personally liked it very much, and it creeped me out more than any other horror film, and I also think there's a positive message behind all the mayhem, namely that Christ saves and that the witch trials were justified. It was made on a small budget by decent people, but later bought by the Jewish company A24 who, Kikes being Kikes, tried to pass it off as a Satanist film, which it really isn't.

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Joseph Nguyen
Joseph Nguyen

The correct translation of that word is "calamity". God rewarded Israel for obedience, and punished them for disobedience.

Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

Does anyone have a higher-quality version of this? The text is nearly unreadable.

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Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

malum: disaster, misfortune, calamity, plague, evil, mischief, harm/hurt, punishment, apple, fruit, lemon, quince
It seems like the most accurate translation is disaster, but God did make lemons too.

Matthew Garcia
Matthew Garcia

Witch-hunt
Was it justified?

Henry James
Henry James

You know what they say.
youtube.com/watch?v=v-RE7RUzjf8

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

"And the soldiers also asked him, saying: And what shall we do? And he said to them: Do violence to no man; neither calumniate any man; and be content with your pay."
And those were Romans in Judea, the same cohort that scourged Christ.
It's shit from what I've heard about it on thread about unchristian movies. I presume that it's still in catalog.
7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
Ver. 7. Create evil, &c. The evils of afflictions and punishments, but not the evil of sin i.e. "I afflict and comfort my people."
Idea itself? Yes. Protestant application of it? Not so much.

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

Why do all the denoms do things that bypass the bible?

James Brown
James Brown

It's shit from what I've heard about it on thread about unchristian movies.
I've seen a lot of films, and it's the best horror film I've ever seen, so it certainly isn't shit.

Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

So where does that tell me to die for the jews?

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.
Unless that city is in America, then you need to stop working for it or I won't be able to punish them. I'm making a one time exception, break the law of this country as you wish
You can probably legally request something that will make you exempt form military drafting anyways so I'm not sure why you're so evasive.

Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.
And the Lord doesn't watch and protect America. If anything it's the other way around.

Ryder Walker
Ryder Walker

Every couple of weeks I feel drawn to Christianity, then I become embarrassed band try to forget about it. I don't know how many times it has happened now. I'm stuck in a loop, where even though I know what will happen, it happens anyways. I have even posted similar things as the above in this same thread and elsewhere. I don't like it. I just want it to end. I wish I could leave this cycle.

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

What's the deal with Vitamin K?

Hudson Clark
Hudson Clark

It's good for ya

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Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

Why did God, as an omnipotent being, present himself and his teachings to us through the life and story of Jesus Christ as opposed to a method of transmission that would reach people in all places and faith traditions, including those unfortunate enough to born in a North Korean prison camp?

In other words, why didn't he communicate to all people in a vision or something more clear? Even if you believe the unfortunate cases I mentioned will be saved by a just God, it seems contradictory in purpose that he reveals himself in part to teach us what he commands, without then taking the necessary steps to deliver these teachings to all people.

Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

Hey, Zig Forums. Should I try to find Christian wife or should I take atheist one and convert her onto Christianity with my penis?

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

Why did God, as an omnipotent being, present himself and his teachings to us through the life and story of Jesus Christ as opposed to a method of transmission that would reach people in all places and faith traditions, including those unfortunate enough to born in a North Korean prison camp?

On the contrary, It is written (Isaiah 45:15): "Thou art a hidden God, the Holy [Vulgate: 'the God] of Israel, the Saviour." And, again (Isaiah 43:3): "His look was, as it were, hidden and despised."

I answer that, It was unfitting that Christ's birth should be made known to all men without distinction. First, because this would have been a hindrance to the redemption of man, which was accomplished by means of the Cross; for, as it is written (1 Corinthians 2:8): "If they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory."

Secondly, because this would have lessened the merit of faith, which He came to offer men as the way to righteousness. according to Romans 3:22: "The justice of God by faith of Jesus Christ." For if, when Christ was born, His birth had been made known to all by evident signs, the very nature of faith would have been destroyed, since it is "the evidence of things that appear not," as stated, Hebrews 11:1.

Thirdly, because thus the reality of His human nature would have come into doubt. Whence Augustine says (Ep. ad Volusianum cxxxvii): "If He had not passed through the different stages of age from babyhood to youth, had neither eaten nor slept, would He not have strengthened an erroneous opinion, and made it impossible for us to believe that He had become true man? And while He is doing all things wondrously, would He have taken away that which He accomplished in mercy?"
newadvent.org/summa/4036.htm
implying that with this attitude you would find ethier
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Jordan Fisher
Jordan Fisher

I want to join the Catholic or Orthodox Church, but how can I tell where I'm being drawn? I understand it's a bad idea to trust my own heart, and the debate is very complex and difficult to reason an answer from, so what do I do? How do I tell where God wants me to be save a direct sign (which even then I might be paranoid about because of some possibility of prelest)?

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

I know that it's God's will that I don't have a GF at this time in my life, and I know it's my cross that I have to bear, but I don't feel like I want to. I've read that bad things that life throws at you have a good effect (spiritually), but I can't seem to stop daydreaming about a gf and looking around at women's faces everywhere I go. I've always had women problems. It's like any woman that shows any interest in me I almost immediately fall in love.

I've considered if it could have grown into a passion (addiction), but I think it's just naturally that way. I've tried the PUA stuff but I feel really unpleasant and unsure about what I'm doing, I feel like im sinning. And when I thought of it later, I don't want to be able to get a wife only by micromanaging every single word I utter about my mouth. It doesn't feel exactly like lying, but it's like a play in a theatre, it's all prestaged and feels so false.

Christian Davis
Christian Davis

Is foreplay a sin? In this context, I mean having sex in any other place other than the vagina so long as you eventually have sex in the vagina.

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

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Kayden Sanders
Kayden Sanders

Join whatever is culturally relevent to you and pray for unity. If you live in a western country, Catholic. If an eastern country, Orthodox

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

I would say yes, and I say this being guilty of doing the same act so not judging you and I understand your situation.

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Actually, ignore my reply. I misread your post.

Nathan Long
Nathan Long

It's in yogurt and alfalfa sprouts

I'd suggest attending both Mass and Liturgy. Personal experience with each should provide clarity.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Are you running by us whether PUA is sinful, or just looking for some general direction in terms of where to go?

All denominations agree sodomy is sinful; Cathodox bar anything but PIV. Remember that sex is primarily reproductive and not intended to be recreational.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

Were the crusades justified? Like, justified by the Bible?

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

What I meant was, I don't know if God wants me to get a GF. If he doesn't, and I got one, that means I'm just denying His own will (refusing to bear my own cross).

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

Regarding sins, if I understand it correctly there are two types of sins, those that earn you an eternity in hell, and those that don't. So my question is, which sins of mine did Jesus(God) create a human body that was crucified and tortured etc for?

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

Using mouth, hands, feet even as a foreplay is ok as long is it's what it is - prelude to actual sex, not the focus (and thus it should be shorter). Using ass is the very definition of sodomy so of course it's not ok. Everything else in unnatural and all unnatural is sinful.
Christians spend a lot of time developing just war doctrine. To war to be just it have to be at the same time:
made by rightful authority
made because of just cause (injustice of one being attacked)
made with rightful intention
(Most of) Crusades had all.
Christ was sacrifice was for all sins.

Levi Campbell
Levi Campbell

Christ was sacrifice was for all sins.
Alright so Christ died for my sin of disbelieving in christianity, hence I'll not go to hell. Is that correct?

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

Christ died for all sins. Application of its effects for us however is not unconditional nor automatic. That you are not willing to use fruits of passion, even when you have all you need to do so, it's your own free choice. Not only that, even if you did applied it and choice afterwards to forsake it, God will allow it for he leave man to his own counsel. That you are willing to separate thyself from Goodness, Life, Happieness and Love, that is God, is your own free choice. And this free choice will leave in state devoid of God who you forsaked.

William Roberts
William Roberts

not unconditional nor automatic
What's the condition?

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

jesus prays to the father
jesus asks father why have you left me on the cross
What did he mean by this? Also what has this to do with the trinity

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

Is this answer representative of orthodox christianity?

Why did Jesus have to die? Remember, the holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. To bear our own sins would be to suffer God’s judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him. Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.
source: gotquestions.org/why-Jesus-die.html

Meaning Jesus HAD to die because God could not forgive sins otherwise?

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

Or from the same website
But how can the death of Jesus atone for the sins of every person who has ever lived? This is where the discussion of Jesus being the God-man comes in.
or an infinite Being (Jesus) must pay for it once for all men for all time
How did Jesus die if he's an infinite being?

Samuel Roberts
Samuel Roberts

gotquestions.org
Isn't this site Evangelical?
This response reeks of the penal substitution theory, which I don't think can be said to be the patristic understanding of the atonement.
This in particular:
Remember, the holy God cannot let sin go unpunished.
Seems to imply that God cannot simply forgive sin and cancel our debt.

I'd say Jesus had to die so that He would imitate our humanity in everything, and so that we could be raised along with Him.
And He took all our sins upon Himself at the cross, becoming a satisfying sacrifice to remove our sins for ourselves, which pleases God.

Jesus was 100% God but He was also 100% human. He chose to die (John 10:18) so that He could defeat death by death.

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

Note I'm pretty sure other Christians here will disagree with me, since there are so many theories about it… It makes my head hurt.

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen

To apply this grace of forgiveness of sin by ways settled by Christ, that is Sacraments, principally by Baptism by which man if forgiven all sins and for sins committed after Baptism to re-justify man by sacrament of Reconcialiation, called Confession and Penance.
To speak about the first - To partake in Baptism one have to have faith in Christ (especially his passion and it's power to forgive sins) as something without which grace, which is the ultimate effect of the sacrament, cannot be had. And he must also repent from all of his sins for "no man who has the use of free-will can begin the new life, except he repent of his former life" and Baptism is the beging of the new Life.
jesus prays to the father
Prayer is the unfolding of our will to God, that He may fulfill it. If, therefore, there had been but one will in Christ, viz. the Divine, it would nowise belong to Him to pray, since the Divine will of itself is effective of whatever He wishes by it, according to Psalm 134:6: "Whatsoever the Lord pleased, He hath done." But because the Divine and the human wills are distinct in Christ, and the human will of itself is not efficacious enough to do what it wishes, except by Divine power, hence to pray belongs to Christ as man and as having a human will.
jesus asks father why have you left me on the cross
Such forsaking is not to be referred to the dissolving of the personal union, but to this, that God the Father gave Him up to the Passion: hence there "to forsake" means simply not to protect from persecutors. or else He says there that He is forsaken, with reference to the prayer He had made: "Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass away from Me."
Christ experience what great mystics called "Dark night of the soul" that is, while there still is connection to God and graces that he pours, he withdraw consolations.
Moreover, those words Christ spoke on behalf of us, twofold. First, to point us to prophetic Psalm. Second, so by lips of the Head, the Body may pray.
Is this answer representative of orthodox christianity?
<gotquestion
<orthodox
Conservative maybe. But not right.
Meaning Jesus HAD to die because God could not forgive sins otherwise?
Jesus did not had to die, for God could forgive sins by other means, but it was most fitting. And Christ did not die as a penal substitute, but as a super-abundant satisfaction. Justice was kept not because sin was punished but because something greater was given as satifisfaction.
Christ did not die as a God, nor suffer as a God. To say that he did is to be monophysite and even miaphysites anathematise them
I'd say Jesus had to die so that He would imitate our humanity in everything, and so that we could be raised along with Him.
That's not the principal cause of fitness of Christ death (there are like five more important) but it's true.

Tyler Bell
Tyler Bell

Also what has this to do with the trinity
Nothing really since it's about Christ human and not divine nature.

Ian Roberts
Ian Roberts

That's not the principal cause of fitness of Christ death (there are like five more important) but it's true.
Can you expand this? What are the causes of fitness of Christ's death?

Dominic Sullivan
Dominic Sullivan

This response reeks of the penal substitution theory, which I don't think can be said to be
Another christian sect that are actually heretics I suppose then. Noted.

since there are so many theories about it… It makes my head hurt.
yeah that's the impression I'm getting. It would've been super helpful if the new testament actually clarified anything about the core principles of the christian faith so I could just read that instead.

Well I haven't done any of the rites you mentioned so I guess when people say "jesus died for your sins" that doesn't apply to me and never have.

Christ did not die as a God, nor suffer as a God.
Oh okay so Jesus died and Jesus is God, but he did not die as God. Thanks for the clarification.

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

Another christian sect that are actually heretics I suppose then. Noted.
Well, they won't say that they're heretics, and they won't say that the Church Fathers' understanding of anything matters, so yeah…

Well I haven't done any of the rites you mentioned so I guess when people say "jesus died for your sins" that doesn't apply to me and never have.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. It is Calvinists who say that He only died for the elect.

Oh okay so Jesus died and Jesus is God, but he did not die as God. Thanks for the clarification.
Or rather, Jesus's human nature died, but Jesus's divine nature evidently didn't die.
Nonetheless, God subjected Himself to death, by taking onto human nature.

Aiden Cruz
Aiden Cruz

which I don't think can be said to be the patristic understanding of the atonement.
But doesn't the Catholic Church use a non-patristic interpretation of Jesus Christ's death?

Dominic Gutierrez
Dominic Gutierrez

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world
Then I still have the same question, which sins of mine were removed by him dying?

Jesus's human nature died, but Jesus's divine nature evidently didn't die.
Then saying Jesus died doesn't seem all that accurate. I'd say instead Jesus' human nature that God created died.

Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

In the first place, man knows thereby how much God loves him, and is thereby stirred to love Him in return, and herein lies the perfection of human salvation
Secondly, because thereby He set us an example of obedience, humility, constancy, justice, and the other virtues displayed in the Passion, which are requisite for man's salvation.
Thirdly, because Christ by His Passion not only delivered man from sin, but also merited justifying grace for him and the glory of bliss.
Fourthly, because by this man is all the more bound to refrain from sin.
Fifthly, because it redounded to man's greater dignity, that as man was overcome and deceived by the devil, so also it should be a man that should overthrow the devil; and as man deserved death, so a man by dying should vanquish death.

This concerns his passion in general. But we can say more, about that it was fitting that this passion would be accomplished by cross.

First of all, as an example of virtue. For it's not righteous to fear things that are not ought to fear. Therefore that no man may fear any kind of death, Christ suffered the most fear-inspiring kind of death.
Secondly, because as first sin was caused by means of tree so atonement of it should be made by means of tree.
Thirdly, that air might be sanctified.
The fourth reason is, because, by dying on cross, He prepares for us an ascent into heaven.
The fifth is that by shape of cross and by outstretched hands denotes that Christ died for all.
Sixthly, is that by this kind of death he may teach breadth (good works), and height (supreme desire of souls of good hope), and length (longanimity), and depth (depth of gratuitous grace) (Eph 3:18)
The seventh reason is because this kind of death responds to very many figures.
Well I haven't done any of the rites you mentioned so I guess when people say "jesus died for your sins" that doesn't apply to me and never have.
It applies to you. If it haven't, you wouldn't be able not have partake in those rites. But you can partake in them. All you have to do is repent and believe. Do not harden your health
Oh okay so Jesus died and Jesus is God, but he did not die as God. Thanks for the clarification.
The union of the human nature with the Divine was effected in the Person, in the hypostasis, in the suppositum, yet observing the distinction of natures; so that it is the same Person and hypostasis of the Divine and human natures, while each nature retains that which is proper to it. And therefore the Passion is to be attributed to the suppositum of the Divine Nature, not because of the Divine Nature, which is impassible, but by reason of the human nature.Christ's Passion belongs to the "suppositum" of the Divine Nature by reason of the passible nature assumed, but not on account of the impassible Divine Nature.
But doesn't the Catholic Church use a non-patristic interpretation of Jesus Christ's death?
Super-abundant satisfactory sacrifice which is de facto official catholic teaching is not only in harmony with Christus Victor and Ransom theory but also combines them withinself.
Then I still have the same question, which sins of mine were removed by him dying?
Potentially all of them.
Then saying Jesus died doesn't seem all that accurate. I'd say instead Jesus' human nature that God created died.
Christ, the one divine person, died in his human nature but not in his divine nature. Here, have proper definition.

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

All you have to do is repent and believe.
Then his death had no purpose. I could've done that anyway. No one died for my sins evidently since I can still go to hell for them.

Potentially all of them.
Except the ones that actually would send me to hell ie the only ones that matter.

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

Then his death had no purpose. I could've done that anyway.
But without his death you would have no sanctifying grace merited for you. And this for by faith we accept grace and by repentance we abide in it. Without grace of passion you faith would mean nothing, Repentance would mean nothing. But Christ did died so you, if want to live, have to repent and belive.
No one died for my sins evidently since I can still go to hell for them.
This is idiotic statement. Imagine a sick, dying man, to whom most excellent doctor prepared medicine that would heal him. And now imagine that this sick man says do not take the medicne and just laments "No one prepered medicine to heal me evidently since I can still die from this sicknnes.". You would rightly call him a lunatic.
Except the ones that actually would send me to hell ie the only ones that matter.
And then the nurse says to sick man "Doctor gave you medicine. Now apply it and stop doing this that only make your sickness more severe. For Doctor prepared medicine to heal all of your sicknesses." But the sick man laments more "Except the ones that actually would kill me ie the only ones that matter." For he does not see that to medicine that works of itself alone he still have to take so that it would work of itself alone in him.

But if you are not seeing lunaticy of your claims then don't make them here. For as your blood brother I am obligated by love to say this - you act like edgy faggot who cannot stand basic logic.

Eli Perry
Eli Perry

What are some good books on the protestant/catholic/orthodox debate or basically the debate of the idea of sacraments, grace from god alone, confession being unnecessary and unbiblical, salvation in the catholic church only, apostolic succession etc.
Preferably one that remains neutral to both sides and presents the debate from both a historical perspective and also theoretical.
I should add that I'm not Christian nor have I ever been baptised so this isn't about winning souls or choosing the right christianity, it's just an interest I've had forever in Christianity and the bible.

Kayden Taylor
Kayden Taylor

The King James Bible

Camden Lopez
Camden Lopez

The KJV doesn't have anything about Luther or the ecumenical councils in it, is there a special version that has it?

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

Do I have to be a virgin to become a monk?

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

(Most of) Crusades had all.
Which ones of them didn't?

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

What are some good books on the protestant/catholic/orthodox debate
De Controversiis, or On the Controversies of the Christian Faith St. Robert Bellarmine. Mediatrix press sells them.
You are born virgin, and cannot be be "re-virginized". But to be monk, on have to make vows of absolute purity.
I would have to check case by case and I am not that bored. For example first one was just but fourth one, aka one against greek, even though it had just cause it had not just intention nor rightful authority behind it. Last one (tenth?) was just too iirc

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

You are born virgin, and cannot be be "re-virginized". But to be monk, on have to make vows of absolute purity.
So is that a yes or a no?

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

You can be monk even though you had sex but after you become monk you cannot have sex ever again.

Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

I've heard it said on here that trying to communicate with the dead is forbidden in Christianity.
Could someone expand on this topic? And when I say dead, I mean their earthly bodies are dead.

Jason Lewis
Jason Lewis

I think it has to do with the curtailing of ancestor worship. People think if you pray to your great grandfather he will watch over you and guide you maybe even remove your inequity (something like that) But that is a false preaching because only one Father can remove your sins. Repentance twords God and fully turning your life around is the only path to salvation we as humans hope to achieve.

Easton Garcia
Easton Garcia

The Church does not deny that, with a special permission of God, the souls of the departed may appear to the living, and even manifest things unknown to the latter. But, understood as the art or science of evoking the dead, necromancy is held by theologians to be due to the agency of evil spirits, for the means taken are inadequate to produce the expected results. In pretended evocations of the dead, there may be many things explainable naturally or due to fraud; how much is real, and how much must be attributed to imagination and deception, cannot be determined, but real facts of necromancy, with the use of incantations and magical rites, are looked upon by theologians, after St. Thomas, II-II, Q. xcv, aa. iii, iv, as special modes of divination, due to demoniacal intervention, and divination itself is a form of superstition.

For more read this, questions 3&4
newadvent.org/summa/3095.htm

Carter Wilson
Carter Wilson

What do I do
I have more reason than 90% of the people on earth to believe in an afterlife since I've seen it like six times, but just like the israelites of ancient times I still can't help but swim deep in caverns of sin to the point of blunting my mind permanently.I saw myself damned six times, yet even such a powerful vision does NOTHING to control my body. I sometimes want to see it again, actually experience hell, just so I can see something I know I should avoid. Jesus' sacrifice moves me none, it's like there's some force preventing me from accepting the christian faith. It's like it's not 'cool' enough for me, but on a spiritual and deep level. Like it is not compatible with me on a fundamental level. Like it betrays me to be christian.
I just don't know what to do anymore

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Thomas Young
Thomas Young

since I've seen it like six times
More detail, please?

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Jacob Rodriguez
Jacob Rodriguez

Baptism is necessary for salvation not only because Christ said so, not only because it grafts you into Body of Christ, that is Church but because it infuses grace into you, it gives you supernatural vritues. And without them, as Salomon said: "For if one be perfect among the children of men, yet if thy wisdom (and Christ is the wisdom of God). be not with him, he shall be nothing regarded."
And if you was Baptised but walked again in flesh you fall from grace. Faith remains but Hope and Charity is no longer with you. But Christ give his apostles ministry of reconciliation, so reconcile with God - Confess thy sins and do penance.

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

How do I respond to an atheist claiming God does not respond prayers. His argument is that it's never something that couldn't have happened without it, like amputees growing limbs, therefore it's not real, just placebo.

I do already pray for him…

Noah Watson
Noah Watson

His argument is that it's never something that couldn't have happened without it, like amputees growing limbs, therefore it's not real, just placebo.
HAHAHA
Wait, he is serious?
In that case: Sister Caterina Capitani begs to differ

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

Nice board you have here. But why cyclical threads? Everything you post is lost.

Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

I feel a strong draw to return to church, but I feel embarrassed about it. I haven't been to church in nearly two decades, I don't own clothes that would be "appropriate" for church, and I feel like showing up in jeans and a button down shirt is insulting, and I don't know what I am looking for in a church or denomination. Am I wrong for letting these things hold me back from looking for a church? I feel overwhelmed by the prospect of it all.

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

If you don't have a suit/dress for church, then wear the best clothing you do have. I can guarantee that no one will care about what you wear, so long as it's not booty shorts or pyjama bottoms, or gym gear.
Basically, make some effort, but don't get too hung up on externals.

I don't know what I am looking for in a church or denomination
The only thing you ought to be looking for is the Truth, and not the Truth as you see it, but /the/ Truth. That is it. Read scripture and apologetics, pray for guidance and study, and the Lord will do the rest.

Evan Sanchez
Evan Sanchez

Pretty much this, OP. IMO, don't put too much stock in preists, as they are just as fallible as the Elders/Rabbis were in the OT.

The only way to truly get to know God is through reading the OT and circumsizing your heart so you may receive God's love

Read John 7 and you will see what I mean.
than after you read John, read the OT book of Jeremiah and you will see

Charles Gonzalez
Charles Gonzalez

The thing is, he is a naturalist of highest order. Testimonies, word of mouth etc. wont do anything, he wants "scientific proof"

Colton Cook
Colton Cook

There are few (four I think) cyclical threads. And their very topics are such that they will necessarily repeat themselves overtime.
Then again, look up sister that I mentioned. With little effort you can easily find her medical documentation. tl;dr daying women with literal hole in her stomach (or rather little to no actual stomach that leaked acid through her body so that whatever she drunk or ate literally droped out of her) was healed so that there is no scar left. And it was done in like fifteen minutes.

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

Is it bad to hate the joos

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

Yes.
Judaism? No.

Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

catholic noob here
orthos feel free to answer this question too, as i'm sure your folk will appreciate the answer too

i'm looking for best all-in-one book that compiles all the prophecies of church throughout history
don't need any commentary or anything fancy - just want them all in one place

either all approved prophecies, or only ones by saints/blessed (approved people)

cheers

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Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

I don't think that there are such compendiums (and those that do exist are probably not that well, focused on sensation than anything). You would have to search them individually.
Or maybe vist local parish/monastery/diocese library

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

yes hello is it bad if i absentmindedly touch myself? or if i wake up with a morning wood and touch but not really with the intent of masutrbation nor with lustful thoughts, just the habit? is that a mortal sin? venial? i wanna try stopping this but ive been doin okay on nofap.

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Adam Allen
Adam Allen

Touching yourself for pleasure is masturbation, user.
Randomly touching your dick isn't necessarily a sin. It's a warm part of the body and so it's comfortable to put your hand there. And besides, why would you think that touching your penis at all is a sin? Are you okay?

Being filthy is a sin, though. Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. Don't go randomly touching your junk throughout the day, especially if you're going to shake people's hands afterward.

Zachary Jones
Zachary Jones

so even if im absent mindedly.. stroking - im sinning? okay makes sense. thank you user

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

I want to make an orthodox christ-chan, is there something distinct that female orthos wear, like nuns? I really don't know.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

Does God punish us prior to the judgement that comes after death?
I feel like every bad thing that has happened to me was proceeded by many sins which I didn't even give a second thought to at the time.

Oliver Adams
Oliver Adams

What's a good study Bible? Not that fussed over any particular denomination, I just want to get a solid basic grounding.

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Jonathan Watson
Jonathan Watson

Going to go tell this guy that things done unconsciously aren't sin
But also I'm pretty sure that he will use it as a excuse to sin or that he's excluding some detail
Remember its his own fault
Okay listen. Things you do unconsciously aren't sinful.

Sebastian Ortiz
Sebastian Ortiz

I'd suggest to read the KJV only because it's the best version of the bible and not to rely on others to make the interpretation for you.

But if you want an easy understanding of the bible and you like to watch videos on it, id suggest watching 'The Bible Project' on youtube. They summarize the message of each book and adds in historical context to really understand what is going on.

Link: youtu.be/7hUs4TXRuVk

Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

Thank you mate.

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

Stroking? Probably a good idea to lose this habit - it might arouse you eventually.

See kurskroot.com/orthodox_nuns.html - it talks about monastic clothes too.
And just use Google to find pictures of nuns.
Incidentally, I have a picture of female schemamonks (schemanuns?).

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Camden Smith
Camden Smith

Okay listen. Things you do unconsciously aren't sinful.
Not all sins are done consciously, user. Sins can be done "purposefully or inadvertently" as the Orthodox pray all the time.

Landon Baker
Landon Baker

RSVCE if not clear D-R (or KJV if you are anglican/presbyterian), reference with YLT
Christ-Chan wears traditional, pilgrim-like dress.
Catholic-Chan wears traditional winter uniform of catholic school I think.
So Orthodox-Chan should ethier wear some eastern/southern slavic dress (with headkerchief) or Greek dress.
Does God punish us prior to the judgement that comes after death?
Yes. But not all suffering is punishment, quite contrary.

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

Why do I become so hateful when I go the gym and my heartrate increases doing cardio or even lifting weights? I am not the least bit hateful in that I resent love, I admire love, but I have no potential for it at the moment because I see women dressed immodestly; they could have been my wife but they have been led astray and instead of going to church and being introduced to them for a courtship they have decided to do drugs and dye their hair and wear spandex shorts and get fake tans… and they look so tempting that my hatred turns into lustful wrath.

I know I could be calmed if I attended church but I have not yet gone to a church or inquired about it. I know we have quite a few in my area but I'm not sure. I know my university has a large catholic presence but I am simply not a catholic. Am I lying to myself and sinning if I, a protestant, go to a catholic mass? It is permissible to lie and pretend to be catholic for years until I manage to marry a catholic girl and convince her to change churches? Would I be allowed to attend catholic church as an open protestant? I want a wife, not any of these disgusting liberal catholic "women". I know some of you invariably might be catholics and take my words for insults but they are not, I am sure even you are disgusted by the state of your fellow catholics? One of them in my dormitory literally offered me shots of whiskey while a picture of Jesus on his desk was oriented in our direction. Does Jesus really approve of you drinking and vaping?

Surely I am not being too strict? Is it REALLY that rude, am I really ingratious? Do I not have the right, to say, as a newfound Christian, to say that SURELY Christ did not intend for us to engage in hedonistic behavior? I am so disgusted and enraged at so-called Christians who reject me and say I am surely not a REAL Christian because apparently Christ allows them to be winnie the pooh wastes of space and time?

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Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

Never heard of schemamonks before, but those vestments are the most badass thing ever.

Brody Morris
Brody Morris

(cont.)

I've somewhat calmed down. I need to work on my anger. I need to work on it…

Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

My two cents:

Everytime you see yourself getting angry, call upon God to unleash the waters of life in your heart, so He may replace your anger with joy.

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

Is ban evading a sin? Like if I use my mom's phone's internet address to evade a ban, is that a sin? I made a silly thread on 4chan and mod banned me from all boards for a month. It was a really minor thing, nothing illegal. Everyday I respond normally and don't shitpost.

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Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

Think about it this way user:

If someone banned you from their house, and if you snuck into the laundry room so you can still evesdrop on them, but not necessarily make your presence known, is that a sin?
spoiler alert
yes, it is
because you aren't respecting the wishes of the owner. Instead of calling the owner and opening a dialogue, you are arrogantly assuming you are welcome to a house you aren't welcome at

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Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

I've found myself in a particular problem of faith.
I have committed sin. Mortal sin.
However, I don't particularly feel remorseful of it. At least not yet.
It has been some weeks.

I want to go to confession to mend the rift I've torn between God and myself, but it feels wrong going to confession knowing that deep in my heart I don't truly feel sorry.

What do you do in a situation like this? Just pray for humility and ask God to guide me and show me the err of my ways?
Honestly, I have felt disconnected ever since, and I want to mend this, but I don't know how I am to bridge this gap.

Easton Price
Easton Price

So Orthodox-Chan should ethier wear some eastern/southern slavic dress (with headkerchief) or Greek dress.
Would image related fit the description?
I'll make any Ortho-chan later, for now here is Christ-chan in the Shemanun clothing Let me know what you think.

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Lincoln Thompson
Lincoln Thompson

How do you guys come to terms with verses like Romans 1:16 and others where non-jews are said to be lesser than jews?

Do you just go along with it? Do you pretend it means something else? Doesn't it seem odd that even in a religion that is supposed to make the jewish identity obsolete you still have jews setting themselves apart as special, like they do in all the other ideologies the make up?

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

Nice nun.
As for Ortho-chan, I think that skin and hair color of first pic, with second pic dress and third pic headkerchief would be ok.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek."
To the Jew first, inasmuch as the gospel is to be first preached to the Jews.
The promises of salvation were first made to the Jews. Jesus Christ preached to the Jews only, and forbad his disciples, during his life-time, to preach to any other nation. And after his resurrection, when they had full powers to preach every where, they did not turn to the Gentiles, till the Jews had refused to hear them.
A miracle was necessary to determine S. Peter to communicate the gospel to the uncircumcised; and S. Paul, in every place, first addressed himself to the Jew, and then to the Gentile. The apostle here sweetly endeavours, in an indirect manner, to silence the presumption of the Romans, who seemed to raise themselves above the Jews, and believed they had merited the grace of vocation to the faith.

Jaxson James
Jaxson James

I am new to the whole thing ( not even a baptized)
what is a good bible to read at first
idk there are so many
do the translations matter
or…?

Isaiah Bell
Isaiah Bell

The King James version of the bible.

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

Mathew 15:21 also speaks of Jewish favoritism in the bible, but my discussion of it helped me come to a good conclusion.

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Jace Baker
Jace Baker

is jerking it a sin?
as in i dont think the bible specifically says anything against it

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

No, nothing wrong with marinating and drying meat. But masturbation is a sin.

Henry Young
Henry Young

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Seems pretty direct to me.
This too:

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Nicholas Allen
Nicholas Allen

Confession is useless without true remorse and an intent to turn away from any future sin.
Translations matter because some have ideological reasons behind certain word choices (i.e. KJV translates graces as gifts and priesthood as presbytery in 1 tim 9:14). Read whatever you feel is easiest, but research controversial passages.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

Is being interested in clothes and style a sin? I don't wear any expensive stuff, mostly thrift finds and small lesser known brand stuff, but I do put some effort in the way I dress and look, and people do notice it.

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

Is being interested in clothes and style a sin?
Thats it, I give up on this board

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Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

No, just don't become a shopping addict

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

Isn't vanity a sin, also doesn't the bible say not to dress effeminately, and for women to cover their loins?

Camden Price
Camden Price

also doesn't the bible say not to dress effeminately, and for women to cover their loins?
Yes, and?

Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

Then it would answer his question.

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

What does Zig Forums think of this guy?

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James Foster
James Foster

who?

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

Why are there horrible diseases? I understand that people do evil, not God, but why did God create these terrible terrible diseases that are out there?

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Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

Your answer lies in the Book of Job

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

Think about how many of those diseases are from humanity winnie the pooh around.

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

Think about how many of those diseases are from humanity winnie the pooh around.

That's true aids was more or less created by men of earth, but even if it wasn't so, i'd still say you know people die? People have to die eventually otherwise no one would pass on to either heaven, or hell.

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Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

I, for example, like to wear very plain clothes. And just look very orderly in general, because it reminds me how I must act during the day, orderly.
Manchildren who wear the latest marvel movie t-shirt, will most likely act more childish, etc.
Dressing up is not vanity, because it is not futile or for self glorification. Excessive (((jew)))elry and lust inducing clothes are totally unecessary and therefore, vanity.

Though the original post sounds pretty effeminate, I have to concede. "style" kek.

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

How do Catholics explain John 1:15? Do they just ignore it because it goes against their council?

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

Am I still damned if I have pre-marital sex but repented for it?

Tyler Cook
Tyler Cook

As a Catholic attending a Catholic mass, if I haven't been to Confession what's the protocol during the Eucharist? Do I go up for blessing? Just kneel in the pews and pray?

Noah Clark
Noah Clark

Is it sinful to appreciate Buddhist aesthetics and morals while not believing in their spirituality? Is meditation sinful?

Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

Why exactly is communism damnable?

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

John 1:15
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

What did John the Baptist mean by this?
Which Vat council are you reffering to?

While we are on the book of John, Ill ask what jesus ment in John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Wouldn't this go agianst the Trinity meme the catholics spread?

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Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

Because (((Karl Marx))) does the works of his father (((satan))), as does anyone that falls for (((Marx's lies)))

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Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith

Some dude in Bible got stoned for working on saturday
Jesus: But don't the priests also work on Sunday?

Would you turn away a man dieing, as a doctor, if it were the sabbath?

Even though chruches like to pick a Saturday or Sunday on which to practice congregation, the bible nowhere gives specific days ( other than "the 7th" ). It's a matter of personal observance, your life 6 days on, one day off.

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

The actual practice of communism isn't. If you think a collective economy works, ok sure. But the ideology of marxism is materialistic determinism, which is directly opposed to the Christian free will. To adopt materialistic determinism, you must reject the notion anything supernatural about Christianity, rejecting even God.

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

Depends. If you're in an English speaking country blessings are normal. I just stay in the pew though.

Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes

Not at all!

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

It's a good thing there's communism outside of Marx. I recommend Bakunin and Kropotkin specifically. Even if you don't agree, they're an interesting read.

Samuel Stewart
Samuel Stewart

Which Vat council are you reffering to?
The chalcedonian definition. In that, they imply that Jesus Christ was not and then came into existence, therefore according to them he was not before John the Baptist.

I actually asked the board owner a similar question regarding Colossians 1:15-17 several months before, I ended up getting banned though. Never got the answer.

While we are on the book of John, Ill ask what jesus ment in John 14:8-9
That confirms the Trinity because as it says in Colossians 2:9, "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." So then the Lord Jesus Christ is God actually. The Catholics didn't come up with that one.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

Maybe…just maybe John the Baptist was implying that Jesus is the Father, the One LORD. It's the only logical explanation to the last part of John 1:15

Also there are these:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.
Hebrews 15:8

I and my Father are one
John 10:30

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

All of these passages makes me think pic related might be right, and the catholic philosophers wrong.

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Jose Hall
Jose Hall

There are so many religions and "gods" out there. And many many that came before Christianity. How do you refute atheist claim that Christianity is just another religion, a superstition, just like the religions and "gods" of different tribes and people's around the world?

Also I can't claim that we can know God's plan, but do you have some ideas why did God decide to show himself in a specific time and space, and not in others. Why the local approach?

I'm very new to Faith if it wasn't obvious. Trying to learn…

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

www.reformed.org/documents/athanasian.html
Read it, believe it

Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

Also I can't claim that we can know God's plan, but do you have some ideas why did God decide to show himself in a specific time and space, and not in others. Why the local approach?

You have to think about the historical context of the NT. During the NT, Rome was the center of the entire civilized (Western) world. Revealing Himself through Jesus was the most opportune time as the faith can be spread rapidly through the Roman Empire (which predominantly spread knowledge through the Greek language). God must have chosen Europe because He knew that Europeans would invent the printing press later down the road, thus making the faith spreadable to everyone.

but why not reveal Himself to the Chinese or other nations?

You also have to think about it through the Prophecies in the OT. Isaiah states that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem and scorned by the jews. Both, of which, are found in Palestine. Palestine was also Roman territory during Jesus' lifetime.

what about my first question?

I myself am still trying to find the best answer as well, but im sure another Christanon could fill in that gap.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

that pic
I don't know how that explains Hebrews 1:8.

<But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

That's the person of the Father speaking to the only begotten Son. And it is overwhelmingly obvious that the Son was speaking to the Father all those times in the four Gospels as he prays. It would be a conscious decision to decide not to see that and act like oneness modalism (i.e. Sabellianism) is found in Scripture. Only question is why make another modalist God apart from the one we know? I'll have to ask the guys who deny John 1:15 and other scriptures the same question.

Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

Does anyone have a big picture of all the chapters of all the books of the Bible such as pic related(but with all of them of course), I want to keep track of all the chapters i memorized.

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Benjamin Lee
Benjamin Lee

Is it sinful to help move a couch my sister is buying off some person on a Sunday?

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

Read Matthew 12

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

Halp, I've been feeling tempted to try occult stuff, lately. Wat do?

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

Say:

Get behind me satan! Your tricks wont work on me because the Lord God is my Shepherd!
Praise be to God! Praise be His Holy name!

Than forget about all that (((occult))) nonsense, no good will come from you knowing more about it.

Isaiah Rodriguez
Isaiah Rodriguez

How do the Orthodox view Catholics? Do they believe them to have valid priests and Sacraments?

Nolan Collins
Nolan Collins

The philosophical and theological level of Christianity is unparalleled. There is a reason why there are so many different approaches to the Bible, not since it is in itself contradictory, but because no Man is fully capable of understanding the Word of God. While at the same time, its wisdom speaks into the heart of common men.
Also - Molymeme would agree - his argument is weak. Just because there is something thought contrary to Christianity, doesnt affect Christianity itself.
God made the world the way it is, because he decided it would be best this way. So that in the end everything will be revealed and God with all his Believers glorified in Eternity.

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

Opinions on "Mere Christianity"?

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

What crimes would you have to confess for a Catholic priest to tell you to turn yourself in for penance?

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

Yes to both. But because of the disagreements of the past on doctrinal issues, they aren't in communion with the Orthodox Patriarchates and so Catholics cannot receive sacraments from an Orthodox priest (they are invited to convert in order to receive) and Orthodox laity cannot receive sacraments from Catholic priests.
I'm going to read it this summer.

James Lopez
James Lopez

Any crime that is punished by law of the land if the circumstances allow that and if priest is good confessor.

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

Pretty good book so far, i'm near the end, but i really like what Mr. Lewis has to say, and makes some pretty good points. One of my favs is in the chapter called hope where he more or less says, people really shouldn't pick up adult books if they're not ready refering, to the bible. A lot of the modern day problems we deal with can just be traced back, to , the past is really what im getting out of this book.

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not mere words or feeling.
What is it then?

James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

Proverbs 8:15-16,36
By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
1 corinthians 6:7-9
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

wrongeth his own soul
fornication is a sin against your own body
Christians are the bride of christ in 1 corinthians 12, sinning against each other would be like wronging yourself. Hence blasphemy against the Holy Ghost matthew 12:31-33
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
If you are enjoined to Christ in marriage 1 corinthians 6:17 then you are one with Him and should be bearing fruit of the Spirit. But if you sin against your body/christians attached to the body of Christ then you are a fornicator especially if you fullfill 1 corinthians 5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an
one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
<put away
<like putting away a wife in marriage
Coincidence? Read matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
<never knew you
Just like knowing a women in marriage.

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

Q. 915. HOW many are the sins against the Holy Ghost?
A. Six: despair of salvation, presumption of God’s mercy, to impugn the known truth, envy at another’s spiritual good, obstinacy in sin, and final impenitence.
Q. 916. What is despair of salvation?
A. It is a diffidence in the mercies and power of God as also, in the merits of Jesus Christ, as if they were not of force enough to save us.
This was the sin of Cain, when he said, “My sin is greater than I can deserve pardon.” Gen. iv. 13.
And of Judas, “when casting down the silver pieces in the temple, he went and hanged himself.” Matt. xxvii. 4, 5.
Q. 917. What is the presumption of God’s mercy?
A. A foolish confidence of salvation, without leading a good life, or any care to keep the commandments; such as they entertain who think they will be saved by faith only, without good works.
Q. 918. What is it to impugn the known truth?
A. To argue obstinately against known points of faith, or to prevent the way of our Lord by forging lies and slander, as Heretics do, when they teach the ignorant people, that Catholics worship images as God, and give Angels and Saints the honour which is due to God; or that the Pope for money gives us pardon to commit what sins we please; that all which, greater falsehoods cannot be invented.
Q. 919. What is the envy to another’s spiritual good?
A. A sadness or repining at another’s growth in virtue and perfection; such as sectaries seem to have when they scoff and are troubled at the frequent fasts, prayers, feasts, pilgrimages, alms-deeds, vows, and religious orders of the Catholic Church, calling them superstitious and fooleries, because they have not in their churches any such practices of piety.
Q. 920. What is obstinacy in sin?
A. A wilful persisting in wickedness, and running on from sin to sin, after sufficient instructions and admonition.
Q. 921. How show you the malice of this sin?
A. Out of Heb. x. 26, 27. "If we sin wilfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, but a certain dreadful expectation of judgment."
Q. 922. What other proof have you?
A. Out of 2 Pet. ii. 21. "It was better for them not to know the way of justice, than after the knowledge to turn back from the holy commandment which was given them."
Q. 923. What is final impenitence?
A. To die without either confession or contrition for our sins, as those do of whom it is said, “With a hard neck, and with uncircumcised hearts and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost.” Acts vii. 51.
And in the person of whom Job speaks, saying, “Depart thou from us, and we will not have the knowledge of thy ways.” Job xxi. 14.
Q. 924. Why is it said that those sins should never be forgiven, neither in this world, nor in the world to come?
A. Not because there is no power in God or in the sacraments to remit them, if we confess them, and be sorry for them, (excepting only final impenitence) of which we read, “There is a sin to death for that I say not that any man ask.” 1 John i. 9. “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and cleanse us from all iniquity.”

William Bennett
William Bennett

Is it heretical to read as a catholic/orthodox?

Adam Fisher
Adam Fisher

Lewis is exploring the existence of God, leading to why the Christian religion is the only true one.
He writes in the preface:
The reader should be warned that I offer no help to anyone who is hesitating between two Christian "denominations." You will not learn from me whether you ought to become an Anglican, a Methodist, a Presbyterian, or a Roman Catholic.
The danger dearly was that I should put forward as common Christianity anything that was peculiar to the Church of England or (worse still) to myself. I tried to guard against this by sending the original script of what is now Book II to four clergymen (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic) and asking for their criticism. The Methodist thought I had not said enough about Faith, and the Roman Catholic thought I had gone rather too far about the comparative unimportance of theories in explanation of the Atonement. Otherwise all five of us were agreed. I did not have the remaining books similarly "vetted" because in them, though differences might arise among Christians, these would be differences between individuals or schools of thought, not between denominations.
So no, he does not advocate for particular theological approach and kept it very general - because it is an introduction, or introductory exploration/explanation if you will. In fact, it lead many to the faith that later became Catholic, ortho, and other branches.
(here's the preface biblio.wiki/wiki/Mere_Christianity)

So no, it is not heretical from my point of view (I'm Catholic) as he does not entertain particular theological approaches to my knowledge.

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Something's been bothering me. What if God defines human differently than we do, can we still go to heaven if we're not 150 IQ Nords or are we just dogs who get the scraps?

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

God made every single human being in His image and likeness. He loves every single on of us unlimitedly and unconditionally. It is us that distance us from Him through sin, evil deeds, hatred etc..
Also Christ died for all people - that is why we pray for everyone. We pray for their conversion, we pray for them to repent and do the will of the Lord. And that is why you - and when I say you, I really mean every single one of us - have to learn to look at people not as differently colored people with some kind of inherent traits to their personality and development, with certain wealth or whatever etc., but as a Creation of God that deserves love not because they're "good people", but because God made them in an act of pure love.

Julian Scott
Julian Scott

Thanks, where is this from?

Henry Stewart
Henry Stewart

God made every single human being in His image and likeness.
The thing that concerns me is what if God draws the line at what is human much earlier than our science does? Jesus called a Canaanite a dog. I get that we still get scraps of holiness but what if most of us are just animal souls and just disappear like our pets do when they die? What concerns me is what if I'm just an animal clever enough to think I'm human?

Dominic Young
Dominic Young

Is it a sin to masturbate without porn? I understand that it says in the bible that everything you do should be in the glory of God, but that logic can be applied to anything like watching movies and browsing the internet.

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

This answers your question:
catholicstraightanswers.com/why-does-jesus-refer-to-the-canaanite-woman-as-a-dog/
For everyone else, he's referring to
21 Jesus left that place and went away to the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came out and started shouting, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is tormented by a demon.” 23 But he did not answer her at all. And his disciples came and urged him, saying, “Send her away, for she keeps shouting after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” 26 He answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s food and throw it to the dogs.” 27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered her, “Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed instantly.
*Mt 15:21-28

You're not an "animal soul" in a human body. God made you in his image and likeness, as discussed above, and no one can take that from you. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

I don't think the Bible talks about that ever so probably not. But it's still dumb and so ething you shouldn't do, like smoking isn't a sin but it's still retarded.

William Morgan
William Morgan

The Douay Catechism of 1649

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

It is sin to masturbate at all.
The Sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance
Q. 925. HOW many such sins are there?
A. Four
Q. 928. What is the second?
A:The sin of Sodom, or carnal sin against nature, which is a voluntary shedding of the seed of nature, out of the due use of marriage, or lust with a different sex.

Or more than that: There occurs a special kind of deformity whereby the venereal act is rendered unbecoming, there is a determinate species of lust. This may occur in two ways: First, through being contrary to right reason, and this is common to all lustful vices; secondly, because, in addition, it is contrary to the natural order of the venereal act as becoming to the human race: and this is called "the unnatural vice." This may happen in several ways. First, by procuring pollution, without any copulation, for the sake of venereal pleasure: this pertains to the sin of "uncleanness" which some call "effeminacy.
In every genus, worst of all is the corruption of the principle on which the rest depend. Now the principles of reason are those things that are according to nature, because reason presupposes things as determined by nature, before disposing of other things according as it is fitting. This may be observed both in speculative and in practical matters. Wherefore just as in speculative matters the most grievous and shameful error is that which is about things the knowledge of which is naturally bestowed on man, so in matters of action it is most grave and shameful to act against things as determined by nature. Therefore, since by the unnatural vices man transgresses that which has been determined by nature with regard to the use of venereal actions, it follows that in this matter this sin is gravest of all.
Gravity of a sin depends more on the abuse of a thing than on the omission of the right use. Wherefore among sins against nature, the lowest place belongs to the sin of uncleanness, which consists in the mere omission of copulation with another.

Bentley Lewis
Bentley Lewis

Are you thinking of a sinful scenario, or thinking of someone you find attractive? Even thinking lustful thoughts aboit anyine bit your wife is fornication in God's eyes.
And if you're married, just sleep with your wife.

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

Is there a denomination that doesn't believe in sola fide and also is not iconoclast?

Jaxon Sullivan
Jaxon Sullivan

Thanks for the replies.

Hunter Evans
Hunter Evans

The Orthodoxy?

Aiden Campbell
Aiden Campbell

is not iconoclast
Anyone who is not reformed and even few of them that are
doesn't believe in sola fide
You would be surprised

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Jack Thomas
Jack Thomas

The ones on the left are hard hitting but
30%+ of catholics believe in both/either sola fide or sola scriptura
21% believe bible provides all religious guidance
17% faith alone
Not too shabby. At the same time why?

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

That's awful. Without Augustine you get race denial autism.

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Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

Don't let anyone tell you differently.
No one ever has, because they're too pc to address the issue. I encountered this question myself while reading Matthew 10. Jesus said to only spread the gospel to the lost tribes and only to the cream of the crop among them. But even if I am just a high functioning animal I still wouldn't leave the faith because like your verse says faith still brings benefits for "dogs."

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

What does the Bible say about eating meat? Does it encourage vegetarianism? If not, does it outright discourage it?

Levi Price
Levi Price

Romans 14:1-4
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Alexander Jackson
Alexander Jackson

If God exists since the beginning if time, where or what was the son and the holy ghost before Jesus?

Anthony James
Anthony James

Arius, Santa Claus has a word with you…

Brody Brown
Brody Brown

At the same time why?
I blame poor catechesis, both from parents and priests and american religious climate. But on other hand it's still nothing compared to denial of two core doctrines of protestantism. It would be like Catholic that deny that Christ created Visible Church and tha Real presence is real but who am I kidding, there would be too many "catholics" who do claim that
It is lawful to us to eat whatever we want (well except human flesh except few very, very particular cases) but not all is profitable. For exemple, eating animals that are higher in ontological hierarchy (like monkeys or dolphins) have very high risk of dehumanisation of fellow men.
But when it comes to vegetarianism it was always seen as fasting practice. Read first chapter of Daniel.
God created time. Son is firstborn of God, and Spirit is Spirit of Both. Therefore they exited before time. But to exist before time is to be eternal. Therefore Father, Son and Spirit are co-eternal just like creed teaches.

William Martin
William Martin

Atheist here with a question
How come in Genesis it takes God 3 days to create the Earth, yet only 1 day to create all 49,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe and presumably all the planets and moons around them too?

Even if you don't take genesis literally like I presume most of you don't, why did creating the Earth supposedly take longer than creating the rest of the universe combined?

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

creating planets =/= creating habitable planets

Aiden Hughes
Aiden Hughes

Also, if you see it as the mystical book of judaism, then it is obvious that earth and its habitants get more "screentime" in comparison to others.
Not taking it literally includes not taking one day as one day or as any human time span.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

Even if you don't take genesis literally like I presume most of you don't
Ree.

God payed more attention to the spiritual center of the universe. Do you honestly not think before talking?

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

Because mass and energy are not what matters. God can do things in any order he so chooses.

And not to change the subject but the heaven and earth were created before the first day, not during it.

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

matthew 5:37
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Do you think Jesus and God is a hypocrite, whose manner of speech is not, Yea, yea; Nay, nay? God means what He says in His word, the Bible. For anything more then these cometh of evil.

Jack Ross
Jack Ross

Woops was meant for

Kayden Lee
Kayden Lee

How do I tell if an affliction is demonic (or even holy) in nature?

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

He could have made the earth is 2 seconds if he wanted

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

I don't understand Sin in the Catholic Church.

If Jesus died for my Sins why can't I continue to Sin?
If Jesus died for my Sins why does Baptism forgive Sin?
If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Confession?
If If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?
If Priests have forgiven my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?

Sorry to be a pain but I feel like I need to get this clear. Thanks.

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

I'm a metalworker, if I create a crucifix to wear around my neck or a cross to hang in my home, is crafting a religious icon like that for some reason sinful or heretical?

Hunter Barnes
Hunter Barnes

You are using you God given skills to create something good (like the crucifix). Its not like you are waving it in front of people and boasting about it…right?

Joshua Bell
Joshua Bell

If Jesus died for my Sins why can't I continue to Sin?

So that your sin is "paid" for, in that it is even capable of being forgiven by God. The Jews before Christ would sacrifice at the Temple for forgiveness of Sins, after Christ, His body became the ultimate sacrifice that is re-presented every Sunday for the remission of our sins.

You can continue to sin, but that is your will actively rejecting the gift of Christ's sacrifice. To continue to do so with particularly grave sins (mortal sins), you sever the connection with God, or more over, God's grace and forgiveness, potentially damning yourself.

If Jesus died for my Sins why does Baptism forgive Sin?

Baptism forgives all sins, but more specifically, Original Sin. Christ wants you to be baptized, His sacrifice is what makes a Christian baptism work in the first place. You've got the concept in reverse.

If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Confession?

Jesus commanded us to confess our sins for absolution, and in particular gave His Apostles the authority to hear and forgive sins in His name. Same concept with baptism, His sacrifice is proof that He had the authority to place the concept in the first place.

If If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?

You must be complicit with Christ's sacrifice to receive the free gift. Hell is there, because those who choose anything but God cannot be in Heaven.

If Priests have forgiven my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?

Sin is complicit with our existence until the very end of our lives. Only Christ, and the Holy Mary, Mother of God were the only humans free of sin, (not counting Adam and Eve pre-fall) and Judgement is there to decide whether your soul is geared towards God, or geared towards Sin.

Those in Heaven will join their fellow saints and angels with the beatific vision of God. Hell is for the fallen angels and any other soul that does not choose God; that chooses sin.

Eli Miller
Eli Miller

Religious icons aren't sinful, friend. Unless you intend to worship the metal itself in place of God, you should feel free to make whatever you want. Icon writers in the Orthodox Church (icons are 'written', not painted) always pray and fast before beginning their work, perhaps you could do the same so that God may guide your hand.

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

Yes, graven inages are idolatry. Make the cross but don't put a little Jesus on it

Luke Green
Luke Green

What is a soul?
Why did God give us one?
What does a soul let us do different compared to, say, a demon / other worldly entity?

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

It should be tested case by case but generally if affection leads you to sin it is not of God.
If Jesus died for my Sins why can't I continue to Sin?
Because we distinguish between effective work of Christ and application of said effects. Think about this way. Doctor (Christ) provided medicine (His passion) to the sick (sinner). But Sinner have to take the mediceine (Sacraments of Healing) to be healed (saved).
If Jesus died for my Sins why does Baptism forgive Sin?
Because Christ decided that one would be forgiven sin and enter his Mystical body by Baptism. So it is written: "Everyone who was baptised was buried and raised with Christ" and that Baptism is "washing of regenration and renewal in Holy Spirit".
If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Confession?
But since Christ died and rose but once there is only one baptism.
But in his wisdom Christ knew that man is weak so he left his apostles with "ministry of reconciliation" so that "whatever sin you forgive it will be forgiven".
Or to expand on above metaphor: Doctor gave medicine to the sickman and left him with instructions how not to be sick again. But sickman did not listened. But Doctor left him with nurse who had another medicine (for first one could be taken only once). This new medicine comes from the same Doctror but it's weaker - it will heal sickman but will left him with aftereffects.
If If Jesus died for my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?
Because as said above effective work of Christ does not mean that it's automatically applicated for everyone. Some just choose not to take medicine and die.
If Priests have forgiven my Sins why is there Judgement and Heaven/Hell?
Answer to this comes from dormer answers
There is nothing wrong with depiction of Christ be it in his most blessed symbol and banner of Cross or plainly in Crucifix. If Philip could see Father (Who is God in form of Spirit) in Flesh of Christ why cannot you see very same Christ in depiction of him, especially that he left us blueprint of his very body in his burial shroud?
What is a soul?
Soul is immaterial form (or essence) of the body.
Why did God give us one?
Because God who is living wanted to have living (animated, from latin anima, soul) sons in his Son.
What does a soul let us do different compared to, say, a demon / other worldly entity?
Because God created world in order. Non-intellectual souls of animals and other living things are below us so our soul is more powerful. But purely spiritual souls of angels are above us.

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

What's the quickest way to refute islam?

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

Idk, what is it?

Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

Why does the ark of the covenant have golden angels on it? Shithead.
God also commanded solomon to make various images and statues in his temple.
Even more your confusion comes from not understanding Numbers 21:1-9.
In it, God commanded that an image was built to heal its people from snakes. And since God wouldn't command you to break his commandments, it means absolute iconoclasm is not endorsed at all like it is in the muslim "faith".
What is endorsed is destroying images that are being worshipped, the very same image of a brozen snake that God commanded to be built, was later commanded to be destroyed because people started worshipping it instead of venerating God through it.

Camden Williams
Camden Williams

Tell them that God is love and doesn't force or coerce people into worshiping Him like what they do in Islam

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

The Bible is far more historically reliable than the koran.
The latter was written 200 years after its main prophet, which means your 2nd grade class playing broken telephone could deliver a better message.
The jews did it for about 2000 years, as well

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

This syllogism
Koran claims that Bible is still binding and truthful
Koran claims that Allah is Father to noone
Bible says that God is the Father
Ethier Koran is wrong that Allah is father to noone or that Bible is true ethier way Koran is false

Or just go THE easiest way and just say: Church declared Islam a heresy thefore Islam is heresy.

James Wright
James Wright

Is it really wrong to have sex with your spouse for pleasure and not procreation? I don't even mean birth control. I mean does God think it's wrong for old people, or sterile people, to have intercourse? It's not like it's adultery. It's different from birth control because in that case a child could/should have been born. If you love your spouse should you not be allowed to freely engage with each other?

Benjamin Bailey
Benjamin Bailey

Is Timothy 2:3-4 the best refutation of Calvinism? I can't think of any possible interpretation where at least one of the five points falls.
<This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

*doesn't fall

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

if you're a catholic, the 2 stipulations for licit sexual pleasure is:

1. marriage unity
2. procreation

so going by 1., yes, but you cannot use contraception

also, you have to finish in your wife. NFP is encouraged if you're not ready for children.

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

there's no sex in heaven

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

oh, and if you or your wife are infertile, you can still have sex with her freely, because it still satisfies the marriage unity pact of marriage. again, you still must finish inside her as recognizing the entire point of the act.

the Church Fathers (or at least St. Aquinas) encouraged marital relations to the point of calling it the "marriage debt". you're obligated to lay with your wife.

Cameron Robinson
Cameron Robinson

Okay thanks. I'm a little confused then about when celibacy/chastity is required. I thought that's where it was called for

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

best refutation of Calvinism?
Irresistable Grace
John 5:40—
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Unconditional Election
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Limited Atonement
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

As for Perseverance of the saints, the last point, you will have to open the discussion on whether to be justified by works or by grace through faith. One can start with 1 John 5:13 (KJV).

They also have a hard time explaining the point of passages like Joel 2:13-14—

And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Finally, the funny thing about total depravity if you adhere to the definition, it implies anyone who ever did anything good must be doing God's will, because according to total depravity they could not have willed it on their own. So that means you don't have your own will at all, another contradiction with John 5:40. The concept of total depravity sounds similar to Philippians 2:13, but it is not quite as accurate because it contradicts the other references.

Nathan Stewart
Nathan Stewart

whenever you're not willing to finish off sex properly, is essentially when chastity/celibacy is called for in marriage

otherwise, those unable to have children sin when they carry out their marriage obligation.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

have to make a big life decision right now
have several choices, all of which worry that I'll make the wrong one
Don't know which one is the will of God
Don't know if I hold unrepentant sin of disobeying him
Don't want to put myself in a position of disobedience
If I have unrepented sin, God won't hear my prayers
Don't even know if I do, but feel like I do because I'm so conflicted because I don't know what he wants
even if I do I don't know what they are
can't pray to God because he won't hear me
now in a state of crushing anxiety, indecision and isolation

Can I just kill myself now Zig Forums?

Chase Morris
Chase Morris

Good afternoon !
I'm a new christian (not baptized yet) leaning towards orthodoxy and I plan to attend the divine liturgy for the first time.
What should I wear ? How should I behave ? Any advices/things I should know beforehand ?

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Jackson Lewis
Jackson Lewis

What should I wear ?
Something modest
How should I behave ?
Like everyone else save time of Eucharist
Any advices/things I should know beforehand ?
KYRIE ELEISOOOON

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

This is a pronoun, so let's see what he's talking about
<First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
He's talking about praying for the salvation of all men, specifically, kings and those who are in authority. He is talking about types of people, reminding Timothy to pray for rulers since rulers being the ones persecuting Christians might lead them to despise them. Not all individuals are kings, considering this context, Paul is saying that there is nothing about a man which prohibits his salvation (this contradicts Anderson's reprobate meme). It doesn't mean Paul is saying that he was actually wrong in places like Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 1:3-6, Romans 8:31-34, Titus 3:3-7 or Romans 8:30.
Or just go THE easiest way and just say: Church declared Islam a heresy thefore Islam is heresy.
Yeah, I'm sure that'll convert many muslims. Popery, not even once.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

New to Catholicism (was raised Cumberland Presbyterian and attended a Greek Orthodox Church for a while without being baptized). going to go to Mass this Sunday, but I was interested in going to Recitation of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy today. I've read online some traditionalists think Sr. Maria Faustina was a sham, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

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Jason James
Jason James

Yeah, I'm sure that'll convert many muslims. Popery, not even once.
There is significant difference between "refute islam" and "convert muslim". While former is as easy as one can get (Mohamed wasn't a very smart demoniac) next is much harder especially in civilisation that does not value logic.
I've read online some traditionalists think Sr. Maria Faustina was a sham, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Story as old as time - failed translation (Polish is hard, really). Happened many times already, nothing new under the sun.
And those "traditionalist" are not traditionalist. They are sedememers who cannot possible accept that John Paul II aproval of Divine Mercy devotion. Wanna hear a real traditionalist? Listen to this.

James Long
James Long

Yeah, I'm sure that'll convert many muslims.
Forcing people to convert just creates heretics and there's only one solution to the heretic question.

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

There is significant difference between "refute islam" and "convert muslim"
If you truly do the former, it should produce the latter. "Refuting" it in the way you suggested would only gain contempt, and rightly so, since only a fool places his church in the place of God.

Austin Stewart
Austin Stewart

checked, and correct

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Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

most catholic "traditionalists" fail at the most traditional precept of the catholic church, obedience.

Jordan Moore
Jordan Moore

If you truly do the former, it should produce the latter.
That's why context matters user. Read what I wrote.
<While former is as easy as one can get (Mohamed wasn't a very smart demoniac) next is much harder especially in civilisation that does not value logic.
"Refuting" it in the way you suggested would only gain contempt,
Any refutation of Islam based on logic and even hardest evidence would not necessary mean converting a muslim. For Islam produces Islamic civilisation and this particular way of communal life does not value Logic at all. Hell, it doesn't even value category of Truth that much.
and rightly so, since only a fool places his church in the place of God.
And who even does that? I certainly don't. Infallibility of the Church comes from God alone. He promised it to Her.
Here's a food for thought - learn basic ecclesiology.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

Here's a food for thought - learn basic ecclesiology.
No thinks, I'll stick to Christian ecclesiology, since Christian churches don't have the hubris to pretend to be like God.

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

What will the afterlife actually be like? Solomon said something about sparks and reeds and judging nations but does that even mean?

John Hill
John Hill

(While speaking of the curses that the people who do not accept the Lord will receive, in Deuteronomy 28, there are other examples:) "You shall betroth a wife, but another man will violate her;"
I'll admit, the first time I met a part like this I laughed due to its interaction with the political climate.
Should I, uhh, say anything to my Priest or the like?

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Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

Oh, I should be more clear.
Should I apologize for laughing would be a better question.

Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

No, I don't believe that.
YES YOU DO!
Exhibit A.

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

LOL

The only hubris here is to see the 2,000 years that proceeded after Christ and pretending none of it existed. Attack the bride, and you'll see if Her bride-groom minds.

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

Attack the bride, and you'll see if Her bride-groom minds.
Just because you call yourself something doesn't make it so

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

Scripture talks about a church; and Scripture was delivered to you by a church

deny that church at your own risk

Cooper Robinson
Cooper Robinson

Looking at what you posted here yesterday, it would appear that you are crucifying to yourself the son of God afresh every week like it says in Hebrews 6:6. If you do participate in this, that is truly satanic. I mean that. In all sincerity, I mean it. You can claim all titles for yourself, I know what I'm looking at.

Parker Butler
Parker Butler

I claim no title, but the true apostolic and holy Catholic Church of Jesus Christ does.

Grayson Morales
Grayson Morales

The whore of Babylon, that's what it is though.

Jack Wright
Jack Wright

This.

Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson

Earth can be interpreted as both "Earth" and "Matter" Gen 1:1 speaks about creation of material and immaterial universes not a planet.

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Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

I don't get it.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

Does anyone have that meme about Muslims and Christians not worshiping the same God where it's a comic asking a Muslim if he worships Jesus and he says no, and the Christian respnds "ok, then"?

Ian Morris
Ian Morris

Probably Chick track, Moon God I think. But NEVER use them in whole length nor unironically. For they are full of errors (and I mean serious, not even theological, errors like claim that "Pope send nun to be wife of Mohamed so that he may create Islam and conquer Jerusalem for the pope")

Hudson Morris
Hudson Morris

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
Is it true?

Logan James
Logan James

this

Connor Thompson
Connor Thompson

Why do christians worship three G-ds and hundreds of minor G-ds? Why worship a man who did not fulfill one(1) requirement of the Mashiach and elevate him to G-d?

John Ramirez
John Ramirez

jew

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

A stunning display of goy intellect, way to go captain obvious, but that doesn't answer anything.

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

Misreplied.

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

Is (PC/console) gaming a sin?

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Is breathing funnily a sin? Serious question.

Angel Murphy
Angel Murphy

Your entertainment is satanic and is here to program you and to put you in a perpetual state of adolescence.
Once you know that, consuming any type of media that isn't EXPLICITY Christian is a sin. Even then, we must be careful with wolves in sheep's clothing like Joel Osteen.

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

I really want to get a prenup when I get married, would this be alright?

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Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

It is right if you have over $1 million in assets. If you have less than that, dont bother. The lawyer fees will cost you at least $10k alone (not even mentioning her lawyer you will have to pay for). Tbh, not worth it unless you are rich and want to protect your family's assets.

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

What makes Christianity different to all other religions out there, especially ones with no influense from christianity/judaism? How come Christian God is the real deal, and all other ~3000 gods out there are just "silly superstition". Genuinely want to know.

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

Always makes me smile when someone posts one of my cruddy edits

Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

Moral objectiveness only makes sense in monotheism. That knocks out 95% of other "religions".
And since the resurrection is the most well documented event in history, it's a domino effect that proves Christianity.
Christ has better historical documents than Socrates and Plato, but no one doubts that those men existed or did what is registered, the doubt in Christ comes from reject and not in science.

Read a Case for Christ, it converted my mom. I think there's a movie now.

Jace Nelson
Jace Nelson

Misreplied, here:

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

A few reasons:
Unlike any other religious figure, Jesus Christ's coming was foretold in the Old Testament.
Christianity managed to go from a small group of followers in an insignificant Roman province to the dominant religion in the largest empire the world had ever seen without using any violence. In fact, this happened despite being persecuted from the very beginning.
CS Lewis' trilemma: Christ is either a liar, a madman or the Son of God. If it were the first case, he probably would have given up when the persecution got seriously life-threatening or at the latest when he had to stand before Pontius Pilate. On top of that, usually people lie to gain something. If Christ were a madman though, could he really have developed teachings that are respected throughout the ages even by non-believers? Can somebody really be insane enough to think that he is the Son of God and give sermons & parables that inspired literature, philosophy, etc. for over 2000 years? This seems very unlikely to me, so that only leaves you with one real choice: Christ is who he claimed to be.
In terms of practical difference: to my knowledge Christianity is the only religion where you are saved by grace and not because you kept the law really good, because you are such a good person or something along those lines. I am saved because Christ died on the cross for me and nothing I do could add or take away from that.

Ayden Jenkins
Ayden Jenkins

Of course. To rephrase it - Salvation comes from God through Church alone. TO be saved one have to have faith. But only one Church can have one faith (for if two Churches have one faith it would mean that they are one Church anyway). To be saved one have to baptised. But baptism grafts you into one Church ex opere operanto. To be saved one have to have grace. But visible sings of grace are sacraments and you cannot have five out of seven of the sacraments without Church.
Why do christians worship three G-ds
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.
and hundreds of minor G-ds?
If you think about theosis then i ask you: Have you not read David? Have you not read the "ye are gods"?
.Why worship a man who did not fulfill one(1) requirement of the Mashiach and elevate him to G-d?
You really want to get into this? Well then. Read this:newadvent.org/fathers/0128.htm

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

When you really think about this there can be only one God. Thomas Aquinas did a great Job explaining this in his Summa. But as we look there is but one ancient relgion (for religion have ot be acient to be true - God who is by defintion good cannot be deistic and thus won;t leave his world unchecked for millenia) that is monotheist. And this acient relgion had prophecies written and unwrritten that Mesiah, Savior of Israel and Nations, would come. Check history, you think that there was not another Christs in time of Jesus? Book of Acts alone names three or four iirc. But only one of them teached with power as he was God himself. Only one personally and miraculously feed like 1% of Population. Only one was exoricts and mircle worker on such great scale. And only his fallowers survied his death and not only that but they grew faster than anything. They proclaimed even unto death simple message - that Christ died for sins of mankind and rose from death. And they were killed. Persecuted by greatest Empire that world ever seen not once not twice but ten times for three hundred years and with each matryr killed Church of Christ grew. And this very church contiunes to this day. Cardinal Robert Bellarmin made great list of 15 marks that show how unique Church is. No other religion is like this.

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

I have never been baptized. If I convert to Catholicism do I need to do a confession of my life? Or will my baptism take care of it? If I do need to do a confession of my life do I have to tell the priest that I use to play a lot of eroge games?

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

I just found a small wound in the shape of a cross in my finger… I don't remember hurting it. is this some sort of a message? If so, what does it mean? Or just happenstance?

Jason Bennett
Jason Bennett

The valid baptism (in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit) washes away all your past sins. In baptism you die to the world of sins and are reborn.
Regarding those games: You will have to cut them down and talk about it with your priest and confessor anyway. But no, you don't need a general Confession for the time before the baptism - having the priest know all the problems is incredibly helpful, however, so that you can work on solutions.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

Does "Catholic" only mean "Full Communion with Rome"? So the Eastern Churches which have valid orders/sacraments and are Apostolic are not actually "Catholic"?

Or does "Catholic" just mean Apostolic? And would that even include the Anglican Church?

Jacob Perry
Jacob Perry

bump for this

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

Is it acceptable for catholics to practice hesychasm?

Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

Since I missed the answer (if one was given) the last time I asked, I'm posting this again.
In this icon (my apologies for the horrid resolution, I couldn't find a better one), we see Arius front-and-centre, being condemned by gathered bishops.
That's now what I'm interested in, however. I want to know about the three others without halos.
Two of them wear a kind of headwear similar to Arius, resembling a turban. Are these other Arian bishops, and if so, why are they identified with these headdresses? What's the significance?
As for the third person, you'll see him at the back and to the right of Jesus Christ (or is that supposed to represent the Emperor?). He's wearing a different hat and holding a spear. Does he represent a soldier and/or guard?

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Leo Brown
Leo Brown

*condemned by the
*That's not what

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

Does "Catholic" only mean "Full Communion with Rome"?
Yes. Though it means universal first and foremost.
So the Eastern Churches which have valid orders/sacraments and are Apostolic are not actually "Catholic"?
Yes.
Or does "Catholic" just mean Apostolic? And would that even include the Anglican Church?
"Apostolic" and "Catholic" are different mark's. Anglican """"Church"""" is neither for it have no orders.
Yes though why? We have our own and much better mystical traditions.
Are these other Arian bishops, and if so, why are they identified with these headdresses? What's the significance?
There wear turbans because Arius wore one. And there are two of them because only three bishops (Arius included) did not sign the Creed.
(or is that supposed to represent the Emperor?
If you mean guy with the crown, that's Constantine. If you mean child above him, that's rather Christ.
Does he represent a soldier and/or guard?
Probably. Phrygian hat that he wears was weared by soldiers.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

If you have to ask, it's nothing. If God was giving you a sign, prayer and reflection are the best ways to be aware of it.

Dylan Ross
Dylan Ross

Catholic means "universal". Apostolic points its base to the apostles of Christ, specifically Peter, who was the rock Christ founded the Church on. Looking at the Nicean creed, you can see it as:
I believe in one, holy, catholic(universal) and apostolic Church.

Zachary Myers
Zachary Myers

I always hear anyone who has a fetish is not a "real Christian" (from atheists mostly.) Is this true? I'm not proud of my faults and would like to condition myself away from them, but am I not a """real""" Christian until I'm perfect in every way?

Evan Carter
Evan Carter

Is this true?
I have never heard a coherent argument against kinks or fetishes which wasn't some form of "these aren't my sexual tastes so it must be sinful." As long as it's kept within marriage between a husband and his wife and does not involve a third party or actively sinning, there's no reason most fetishes should interfere with your salvation and relationship with God.

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Christian Carter
Christian Carter

The problem is when the focus of the pleasure is on the object of the fetish more than your husband or wife, or of pleasuring yourself before your partner. It's important to use discernment. I have heard good arguments in favor of "do whatever you want so long as the man climaxes in the woman and both partners are respected" but I feel like God is calling me to give up having a kink for wearing diapers.

It's important to consider that any technique, lingerie, position, etc. should be used as a means to the end of a loving union, rather than being the focus of the whole thing; and that each spouse’s comfort zone should be respected. This is a pretty good book on this topic, it does not have an imprimatur though (if anyone knows of any good Catholic books on sex in married life with an imprimatur pls rec them to me.)

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Jason Evans
Jason Evans

Though it means universal first and foremost.
Catholic means "universal"

If Catholic means Universal why aren't all Christians included in it? Where is the boundary? That's why I asked whether being in Full Communion with Rome was the boundary?

Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

I mean how can the Orthodox Churches call themselves "Catholic" in the creed "One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic" if they're not Catholic?

Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

When you are validly baptize you are grafted into the Church - Catholic Church. If you stay in it is different matter.
They claim to be the One Church they are not

Also, vid related.

Luis Thompson
Luis Thompson

But how would they justify the claim in their own words? Presumably, a "Roman Catholic" defines Catholic to mean "Full Communion with Rome". What would the Orthodox definition be?

Also, can a guy in the Greek Orthodox Church just show up in the Russian Orthodox Church and take Communion? Or can an Orthodox only do it in his or her own particular church?

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

Why are fatherlines important in the Bible? I also noticed their importance continued throughout Christendom's history. What gives it importance?

Nicholas Mitchell
Nicholas Mitchell

Its important for the Jews because they are a tribal lot. They also have this silly notion that they are chosen because they can trace their lineage to Abraham . Jesus got rid of that worry.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Timothy 1:4

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

Its important for the Jews because they are a tribal lot.
There's more to it than that. Christendom made a big deal about their own fatherlines long after the jews didn't matter.
They also have this silly notion that they are chosen because they can trace their lineage to Abraham
How on earth can they do that when they've been using motherline for centuries?

Landon Evans
Landon Evans

But how would they justify the claim in their own words? Presumably, a "Roman Catholic" defines Catholic to mean "Full Communion with Rome". What would the Orthodox definition be?
We are "Roman" because See of Peter is in Rome. We are "Catholic" because our Church possess the mark of catholicity. If you already watched video you may read vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm paragraphs 830-856, 868

As for Orthodox churches, truth be told, they are more like federation of particular churches. They can't even figure out what makes ecumenical council ecumenical. They are "catholic" only as far as they name themselves such with no real impact really.
Also, can a guy in the Greek Orthodox Church just show up in the Russian Orthodox Church and take Communion? Or can an Orthodox only do it in his or her own particular church?
Yes.
Natural law and flowing from it natural, patriarchal priesthood. For Adam is son of God and Sons of Adam are successors of him in his functions as priest (and king and prophet). And in Christ nature was elevated by grace.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

Yes.
To which one?

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

First. Though IIRC there is schism between Antiochian EOC and some other church so maybe to second too.

Isaiah Gray
Isaiah Gray

A retarded question perhaps, but does someone know, if Gary Gygax stayed JW till the end, or did he became Trinitarian?
I'm asking because he severed ties with the organization afaik, however remained devout believer to the end and proclaimed himself to be "Christian", but didnt saw that he specified anything further.

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

David Jones
David Jones

Hmmmmmm……

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Leo Stewart
Leo Stewart

That really percolates my pineapples.
I guess we will never know and will just have to trust God when He says He created us in His own image.

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Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

I've seen people say God came to Earth as Jesus while fulfilling the prophecy, also came to realize what its like being human. Is there any basis to this? Did the logos want to check out what we have to deal with?

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

What's the christian explanation to the findings of human-like apes? (homo sapiens, neanderthals etc.)

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

Probably not but who knows.
God knows how to be human even without incarnation. To say otherwise is just bad theology. But what is true is that without incarnation God cannot suffer (and with he still can't in his Divinity but can co-suffer by his humanity)
You are homo sapiens m8. Or at least I hope that you are sapiens.
Know there are three ways of thought:
There are OEC/Theistic Evolutionaries/whatever who just say "oh, cool"
There are common YEC who say that those are ethier mutant humans or mutant apes.
And there are rest (like Catholic YEC) who just go "meh, it's indifrent to me"

Zachary Perez
Zachary Perez

Hey christians, do you like your women shaved down there? If your betrothed asked you if you wanted her to shave for your wedding night, what would you answer?

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

also came to realize what its like being human
Omniscient being can learn something

Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

implying that we care
Implying that we have chance of choice even
Where do you think you are?

Thomas Carter
Thomas Carter

Why does the Bible hate Babylon so much? They seem ok based on history alone

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Justin Green
Justin Green

When you realise that Babel and Babylon is the same place (and word) and how beautiful first Jerusalem and it's Temple was you will get the idea.

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

Are memes depicting Jesus blasphemous. If so is there a line. Will post two examples is one fine, both fine, or neither fine?

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Easton Foster
Easton Foster

Since depicting Jesus in and of itself is not blasphemous the only way to make them blasphemous is to depict him in blasphemous way. And blashermy is sin that is contrary to confession of faith, any word of malediction, reproach, or contumely pronounced against God.

With regard to those two, they are not blasphemous but they are not quite right. For example, even though without Charity one cannot enter heaven it's not the only one thing. You have to have two other theological virtues as well, and not to mention natural virtues. Or fact that Jesus did hurt people. He hurt them in Temple corporaly and countless time mentally. And he genocided the planet once and will do it again. Not that what he did was wrong but still.

Jackson Sanders
Jackson Sanders

Babylon is the epitome of human hubris (at least it is in the Bible). The Babylonians put themselves up on the mantle of god. They also practiced human sacrifice.

Sure, they built alot of cool stuff, but God doesn't care about that. God cares about the love (phillia) humans share with one another.

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that pics of Jesus with the big package between his legs is borderline blasphemy.

Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

I also forgot to add that the jews got their (((Kabbalism))) during their captivity in Babylon. Which spawned alot of the amoral (((new age))), (((gnostic))), and (((Occult))) magick systems we see today.

Jace Bell
Jace Bell

I want to get rid of my gluttony. But I have suffered tremendous weight loss (it is bragging but I have to describe the problem). Sometimes, when I see my self in the mirror, it's a bit scary, and my parents say it's hard to look at me like this. I want to eat, but a lot of times I feel it would be simply eating too much, instead of eating based on actual real needs. So I don't want to stop fighting sin, but I'm afraid of becoming even more skinny. In Church, everyone else's weight seems fine. Am I basing my asceticism on pride? How do I find out?

I don't know where the line between over-eating and eating reasonably is

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

At the very least, anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23. So if you depict Jesus in a non-faithful way like not accounting for His white hair in revelation 1, you are lieing about His appearence. Don't lie.
God cares about the love (phillia) humans share with one another.
Wrong again, read luke 14:26-35
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The reason you are to love your neighbor as yourself, is because you love the Lord thy God matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

1 corinthians 6:12-13
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Be not brought under the power of meats. But rather be in control of them. That's why you are to fast and pray before casting out demons in matthew 17:21, to show you have control over your body.

Connor Adams
Connor Adams

captivity
(((They))) were never captive. They became/already were Babylon. We're still under (((their))) captivity.

Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

If God is so good, then why do bad things happen?
What's the best explanations for this?

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

if this author is so good, why do his characters suffer?

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Charles Collins
Charles Collins

Free will+good that comes from permision to evil and "evil"+fact that evil is not a thing but lack of thing

Jack Reed
Jack Reed

Just testing the word filter. tigger

Angel Torres
Angel Torres

This isn't related to Christianity, but have any of you had brain problems (headaches, depression) or heart problems from prolonged exposure to the radiation of smart meters?

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Jace Allen
Jace Allen

Recommend me good Zig Forums movies

Angel Rivera
Angel Rivera

After The Tribulation

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

Prince of Egypt

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

Alright Zig Forums, I am in deep need in guidance on matters pertaining to my personal faith.

inb4 blogpost
My gf is Christian and has warned me numerous times before and throughout our relationship that she is only going to marry a man who is also Christian. To paraphrase her, she wants to be in a marriage where God is at the center of the relationship between her and this future spouse.
I have never been the most devout Christian; I had stopped going to church for five years until about two years ago deciding to return, where now I attend every Sunday. I was never big on reading the Bible either, until my gf began prompting me to do so, to which I happily oblige.
I have too, have been clear with her regarding my faith (or perhaps lack thereof) and only recently has begun to grow concerned with our future as a couple, reminding me that whether or not a wholeheartedly profess to Christianity is what will make or break this relationship, no matter how strongly she may love me.
I want to be a good Christian, not only for her but also for God, but the views that I have developed from /pol/ and various right-wing/third-position literature may have clouded my perception of Christianity.
How do I reconcile with a faith that appears to value universalism, that all people, regardless of race for instance, can reach salvation through the teachings of Christ? Ideally, I would want a religion that places the race, the adherents of said religion, and the preservation of said race, as the foremost virtue of the religion's doctrine. The preservation of one's people is a basic necessity for survival and therefore adheres to Nature's conduct as seen with other organisms. And what is Nature but a manifestation of God's divine order of creation?

Is there anyone who can offer some insight on how I can become a better Christian? Are there any Zig Forums /pol/acks that can be of help?

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Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

Ideally, I would want a religion that places the race
Nope, you are thinking physical still. Let's get some carnal things straightened out first. The kikes in (((modern day israel))) are not actually biblical jews. But are fake jews spoken of in revelation 2:9/3:9 who are in reality khazar babylonians like the babylon mentioned in revelation 18:23 whose ((("merchants"))) "were the great men of the earth"
the adherents of said religion, and the preservation of said race
Now this it is. Christians are all spiritual descendants of Christ hebrews 12:9 as we must worship God in spirit and in truth john 4:24. But, by extension, it means that you are a spiritual jew, and not a (((fake jew))) because of romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The preservation of one's people is a basic necessity for survival
Indeed, but Christians seek spiritual survival as to avoid the second death/spiritual death in revelation 20:10,14-15. That's why the sons of men, who are beasts in ecclesasties 3:18-21, are flesh and blood. But we Christians who are angels/ministering spirits hebrews 1:14, and the fallen angels, the devils isaiah 14:12, are physical body with blood, spirit, and soul like said in 1 thesselonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Beasts, animals that is, do not have a spirit to worship God in spirit and in truth, which includes some of the sons of men who just die and go to dust again, as galatians 4:21-31 exists
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
By the way, biblical jerusalem, the physical one, is located in arabia and not where (((modern day jerusalem))) is. Also also (((modern day israel))) is babylon as (((they))) claim to have the ark of the covenant at archive.fo/tSXM8 worldtruth.tv/ark-of-the-covenant-found-beneath-crucifixion-site/ , but in jeremiah 27:21-22
Yea, thus saith the LORDof hosts, the God of Israel, concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the LORD,and in the house of the king of Judah and of Jerusalem;
They shall be carried to Babylon, and there shall they be until the day that I visit them, saith the LORD; then will I bring them up, and restore them to this place.
Those "vessels" would have included the golden pot of the ark of the covenant in hebrews 9:4 as it is a vessel
Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Is there anyone who can offer some insight on how I can become a better Christian?
Anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23. Start reading the KJV Bible, the only version I am aware of that wouldn't make God a liar titus 1:2 if it were true, which it is true.

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Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

So you realize that /pol/ gnosticism has corrupted you and it's so bad that it might threaten future marriage and so on and so forth. Don't you think that you - saying you're Catholic - should get your a's to your priest ASAP and receive the Sacraments regularly ?
How do you even think that coming to this place is helpful considering how much of an amount of /pol/ gnostics have polluted it to a point where their crap becomes the norm as they are even mods ?

Pray the Rosary and pray it every day, receive the Sacraments regularly - and stop trusting in the intellect of random probably uneducated people on the internet of which you can't even know whether they mean well and are what they claim, to begin with.

Jonathan Reed
Jonathan Reed

Don't you think that you - saying you're Catholic - should get your a's to your priest ASAP and receive the Sacraments regularly ?
He didn't say universal, a synonym of catholic, he said christian.
stop trusting in the intellect of random probably uneducated people on the internet
Indeed, he ought to trust and obey God instead because of acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
<Pray the Rosary and pray it every day, receive the Sacraments regularly
Why should he do any of that? Is it in the word of God, the Bible?
<of which you can't even know whether they mean well and are what they claim, to begin with.
Who cares, as long as he follows God and fullfills 1 corinthians 10:31
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Also if you need a Bible to look all this up in there's one in desuarchive.org/pdfs/thread/4653/

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Jacob Long
Jacob Long

Jesus was nazbol. There you go, third-position fulfilled.

Levi Adams
Levi Adams

GANG
GANG
GANG

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Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

put in the url
Doesn't exist yet
A man can dream

Christian Clark
Christian Clark

It exists for me you clutz. Try this, you probably typed it out wrong archive.fo/w3qEf

Xavier Gutierrez
Xavier Gutierrez

gf thinks I'm confiding in my pastor for guidance
has no idea I consulted anons on a Mongolian basket weaving imageboard instead
I actually did meet up with my pastor today for lunch, but seeing as he's a boomer conservative, it's unlikely that he would have truly understood my dilemma.

Thank you for responding. I suppose the only answer is to continue reading scripture and praying.

NAZBOL ATTACK OUTTA NOWHERE

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Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

What is the Orthodox position on Matthew 16:18 and papal authority?

Obviously there isn't just one verse, there are many that seem to fit Catholic claims.

I am in line with Orthodox beliefs (or at least Orthodox approaches) in every regard, but lately I've been bothered by the consistency of Catholic reasoning about Peter and the papacy. All the Orthodox refutations or explanations that I've read don't sound much different to the pathetic reasoning by Protestants (that it was his faith and not him, etc). Is there a good Orthodox reason in existence why the bible attests to Orthodox church polity and not Catholic?

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

Do any Spanish or Latino Catholics know where can I find a pocket size Biblia de Petisco y Torres Amat ?

Caleb Cruz
Caleb Cruz

"I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of Antichrist, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others. The error into which he falls springs from pride equal to that of Antichrist; for as that Wicked One wished to be regarded as exalted above other men, like a god, so likewise whoever would be called sole bishop exalteth himself above others….You know it, my brother; hath not the venerable Council of Chalcedon conferred the honorary title of 'universal' upon the bishops of this Apostolic See [Rome], whereof I am, by God's will, the servant? And yet none of us hath permitted this title to be given to him; none hath assumed this bold title, lest by assuming a special distinction in the dignity of the episcopate, we should seem to refuse it to all the brethren."

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Joshua Fisher
Joshua Fisher

I don't know. I personally prefer the Biblia de Jerusalén.

Gavin Jones
Gavin Jones

How is it that concepts of prayer, sacred places of worship, holy texts, etc. were a thing way before judaism and later Christianity? Wouldn't this mean that Christianity is just another religion, a man made concept in the line of religions. I understand that Christianity has big differences to other religions, but there are similarities too. I just don't understand how its possible that people made up these traditions/ways of behaviour and only a lot later did the real religion appear.

Jace Murphy
Jace Murphy

concepts of prayer, sacred places of worship, holy texts, etc. were a thing way before judaism and later Christianity
As were concepts of eating, hunting, farming, having sex, drinking, and breathing among other things.

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

If you go to confession and say you did something illegal, does the priest have to alert the police? I know this is the case for therapists.

Jonathan Thomas
Jonathan Thomas

No, they can't and won't.

Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

Okay.
If you go to confession and you did something Illegal, is turning in to the police part of repentance?

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

The priest can advise you to turn yourself in. However, he can't withhold absolution until you do it.

Christian Bell
Christian Bell

It is natural inclination of man to worship God, to pray to him, to consecrate certian things to him and even by reason know that He could revel something to men. And since without Revelation human reason alone is below proper worship, men makes up something that sounds and looks about right, faling into idolatry.
Concept of natural religion is integral part of Christian worldview. Read Summa Theologica, parts about worship and religion.
But on other hand he can simply not give absolution and say that he will confess you after you turn in.

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

A priest cannot make his absolution conditional on you going and confessing a crime–i.e., he can’t assign it as a penance that you go tell the police (or anyone else) what you did.
jimmyakin.com/2005/11/can_a_priest_fo.html

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

<all this ignorance of 1 corinthians 6:1-8
DARE any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

James Wood
James Wood

Priest can however don't give absolution.
This passage is about Corinthians who wanted roman courts to set their disputes. We talk about John 20 especially this part: "whose sins you shall retain, they are retained."

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

What happened to the Catholic mega-thread? Was it deleted?

William Morgan
William Morgan

One some occasions I visit the local parish on Sunday mass. My plan is to get involved into the Church, help the community and get involved into activities. Am I supposed to ask the priest about that? Because I don't how else to get involved. Also, I admire the sobriety but strictly decline the postures and gestures during mass. I have my theological differences with the Catholic doctrine, yet it the church is the only one I can take seriously. When I am at a point where I frequent the mass and get involved, is it a required from me to abide by the customs or is it not too uncommon to be the odd one out?

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

Surprise we didn't have one of these in the catalog…

Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

Vanity is the desire to be glorified by others for the sake of this honour and glory given by others. Fashion is a very obvious means of doing this, but you can be interested in fashion without being vain.

Henry Anderson
Henry Anderson

Is it sinful to appreciate Buddhist aesthetics

Of course not, why would it even be? Even in the Biblical times ancient Israel used in their worship/art styles and aesthetics of their pagan neighbours, with God's approval (note: aesthetics, not rituals employ said aesthetics; aesthetics themselves are neutral, human actions are not). And in early Christian times, ancient Roman culture was adopted by Christians (obviously, it would be impossible and pointless to create completely and utterly distinct aesthetics, when the ones they were used to were already sufficient).

and morals while not believing in their spirituality?

Moral law is objective and, can be studied through reason even by a pagan, although such purely logical (without the benefit of faith) approach can lead to errors without a Divine guidance and we have the benefit of God directly revealing to us what is true. So not sinful, as long as you always apply the necessary dose of scepticism, treat everything there with a grain of salt and recognise the superiority of Christian morality. Preferably study it along with reliable, Christian commentators on the subject so you won't get lost.

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

How would one, if at all, bring attention to rampant blasphemy in a workplace? Just started a new job and there's a shocking amount of people openly swearing and using God's name in vain.
Quietly pray that these people turn from their ways and be a shining example of decency or bring it up to HR?
It's not just one person but many so it's not like I can sit down one on one since I'd have to address numerous (over 10) individuals.
Note, this is an office setting which makes it all the more surprising to me.

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

What's the difference between Parishes, deaneries, dioceses etc.? Are there other levels I didn't mention?

How many Churches/Cathedrals can you have in each one?

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

I absentmindedly dumped some change in a bucket for a guy doing some charity collection thing outside of a store, I assumed he was Salvation Army or something. He hands me what I thought was just a normal newspaper, I stuff it in my bag. Get home, pull it out, it's a Shriners paper, AKA Freemason group.
I know I'm being scrupulous over what amounts to 50 cents, but would it be a sin to donate to a group like that even if the money actually went towards charity?

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Luke Perez
Luke Perez

I have a lot of free time at work, and I was wondering if any christanons have christian podcasts they can recommend me (or any other wholesome media they listen to)
Thanks in advance friends

Nathan Stewart
Nathan Stewart

ancientfaith.com/radio
myocn.net/

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

Parishes
Basic administrative unit of the Church.
deaneries
Few parashies joined together to coordinate stuff.
dioceses
Local parishes under authority of the bioshop.
There is also metopolies, deaneries for dioceses.

In each parish there is at least one church. When there is more, there is always one that is main, directly under parson.

In each diocese there is one cathedral for cathedral is where chair of Bishop is. There may be however titular cathedrals where there is no bishop.

Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor

Does anyone know of any good systematic summaries of Eastern Orthodox theology?
I'm looking for a pretty thorough treatment if there is one.

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

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Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

So basically the hierarchy goes:

Diocese (1 Cathedral+multiple deaneries)
Deanery (Multiple Parishes made up of 1 or more churches)
Parish (1 Church or 1 Main Church plus smaller churches)

Parson
What is that?
metopolies
What are they?
titular cathedrals
What are they?

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Well, I wouldn't do it.
It would have been bad if it was Salvation Army too, user.

Hunter Gomez
Hunter Gomez

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

Has no one answered OP's question? I'd like to know this. (I can't imagine a wife ever actually preferring it, though, and I think that it would be sinful if it just causes her pain and no pleasure.)

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Jacob Gonzalez
Jacob Gonzalez

Im pretty sure that went without saying but to answer your question:

Yes, committing sodomy on a woman is sinful. If you commit sodomy on a woman you are bad, and you should feel bad.
seriously, dont do it

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Liam Barnes
Liam Barnes

Yes, it is sinful.

The basic checklist is:
Is it performed within a legitimate, sacramental marriage?
Is it performed between two consenting male and female partners?
Is the intention to procreate and therefore to fulfil the marital obligation before the Lord (even if it doesn't happen on the first try)?
If you answer no to any of those questions, then it is a sin.

Some modernists like to say stuffl ike foreplay is also OK as a starter provided you don't ejaculate, but this is also a slippery slope to go down.

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor

Is the intention to procreate and therefore to fulfil the marital obligation before the Lord (even if it doesn't happen on the first try)
If you answer no to any of those questions, then it is a sin.
Some modernists like to say stuff like foreplay is also OK as a starter provided you don't ejaculate, but this is also a slippery slope to go down.
Is there any scriptural basis for this? I'm only familiar with the story of Onan.

Cooper Barnes
Cooper Barnes

To go out on a limb, Abraham and Sarah, Elkanah and Hannah, Elizabeth and Zecheriah were all married, and yet they could not produce children, and this is no doubt for want of trying. I don't imagine that these holy souls can be accused of sinning in this regard. They were only able to have children because of God.

As far as I am aware there isn't any scriptual basis against (and therefore for) foreplay, making it a grey area. The conventional wisdom of "leave well alone" is enough for many people, though, since this still constitutes a misuse of your natural processes.

Henry Flores
Henry Flores

Of course it is sinful.
Putting the penis, which creates life, in an asshole, which excrets biological rejects is a grave disrespect to life itself.
And literally satanism, I can't recall the which case it was but one sect tried to make a man pregnant via sodomy. Which is a complete inversion of the virgin birth.

A similar analogy can be used to oral sex, you shouldn't put the organ which is most related to creating life in the mouth, the organ about consuming. That way you'd be inverting the semen's natural order (giving life) and consuming the holyness of existance itself for mere hedonism.

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

Should have clarified I was referring to all three lines I quoted. At some point I remember someone from Ligonier Ministries (can't remember if it was R.C. Sproul or not) quoting from the Song of Solomon in favour of foreplay, but I haven't read the text in ages so my memory is a bit foggy.
not a single reference to scripture
just calling lewd acts you don't like "a grave disrespect to life itself" and "literally satanism"
nevermind that the penis and vagina also play a role in waste disposal
At best these analogies are more philosophy than theology. Please find something more substantial before using such strong labels for things you dislike and declaring them sinful.

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

b-but the penis and vagina also get rid of waste too, ie urine
You can't create life in a butthole though. On top of the normal biological reasons why the benis doesn't belong in a butthole (see Anal fissures, Gay Bowl Syndrome, etc).
what about theological reasons?
See Genesis 19
Also Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Now use your thinking cap.
<how does a man have sex with a man like a woman if he has no bagina?
Spoiler alert:
you put the beins in the butthole

Now think, if God doesn't want you to sex with men in their butthole does that give you a free pass to sex with women in her butthole?
no, no it doesn't

So dont do it, or you will be a sodomite. You will have no place in God's church. I hear (((modernist))) churches will enable sodomy but they aren't God's church.

Austin Thompson
Austin Thompson

Ok this is a bizarre one and is for Catholics who celebrate the traditional Latin mass. My grandmother has forgotten Latin and wants to remember a specific part of the mass. She wants to know if there was a part when the priest said something that (in English) sounded like "Dominic go frisk 'em." What would the actual Latin be and what is it translated in English? I apologize that this is a bizarre question, but I cannot seem to search for it elsewhere.

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

So you bring up Sodom and Gomorrah and the Bible's instructions against faggotry, then stretch them to include hetrosexual acts fags can also perform nevermind how historically many fags were more into thighjobs than anal. I agree that anal is more trouble than it's worth, but declaring it sinful is stretching things.

Levi Harris
Levi Harris

You're right actually, that's my brain right after a shift at work, dead and not paying attention. I'm just going to stop donating to random street efforts like that as a whole so I know where my money's going.

David Sullivan
David Sullivan

Dude, God literally calls it an abomination.
Don't do it. Failing to heed God's warning is the will cause you problems. God doesn't tell you these things because he doesn't want you to have fun, He tells you these things because it is bad for you.

Sodomy is LITERALLY causing harm to the 'catcher,' male or female. You will be causing harm to your wife if you sodomize her! God knows whats in your heart and He WILL punish you for it!

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Samuel Roberts
Samuel Roberts

What's the salvation army?

Matthew Gonzalez
Matthew Gonzalez

Where does the claim that the New Testament books were not actually written by The Apostles come from? Has anyone ever even heard that before?

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

<how does a man have sex with a man like a woman if he has no bagina?
Does this mean you also restrict women laying with men as to use their mouth to pleasure the man? And also do you forbid women from laying with a man by pleasuring with the hand? Your logic isn't biblically backed because it says leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
How do you lie with womenkind? Is it by the hand, by the mouth, or by vagianally, or by the ass? Those are all ways you lay with womenkind, so don't lay with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination. Also hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
The bed is undefiled so it doesn't matter how you lay with your wife, the bed is undefiled.
If you had actually bothered to read the Bible you would see sodomy only can apply to men in deutoronomy 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Girls can't be sodomites because it only applies to men lieing with other men.
The story of Onan is a bad example because he was killed for disobeying the Lord, not for spilling his seed.

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

Why agent there

Anthony Lee
Anthony Lee

Why aren't there any physical miracles happening? If there was, wouldn't there be some video evidence for example, or maybe Christian rates of surviving cancer higher than that of all other people? Why don't amputees grow their limbs back?

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

deutoronomy 23:17
Read the next verse as well.

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

What's interesting here is that sodomites are expressly related to animals, specifically dogs. In other words, sodomites are brute beasts, animals.

Now compare this saying in Deuteronomy with Revelation 21 and 22.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev. 21

Isn't it interesting that in one list they are called dogs, but in the other list "dogs" are replaced with "fearful, unbelieving, abominable"? As we've seen, sodomites are known as dogs, Leviticus also famously calls them abomination and abominable, and as reprobates (i.e. Romans 1:24-2:2), they are also by definition unbelieving. The whole truth matches perfectly here in Revelation 21 and 22 that sodomite dogs are fearful, unbelieving and abominable; I always found that fact interesting.

Jace King
Jace King

A place where Boomers hang out and play cards when not ringing bells.

Carter Jenkins
Carter Jenkins

Please help me anons. I want to believe in God, but I just can't find Him anywhere. Not in the physical world: I don't see any true, unexplainable miracles happening. Not inside the psyche: "religious experiences" can be chemically induced. Not in the social world either: the world is becoming a better place to live in, by almost all metrics, yet people are becoming less and less religious. So where is God?

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

This is me. Thank you for your reply, I had figured that was the case, but I wasn't confident. The only people I've seen address it was Debi Pearl (yeah…) and Mark Driscoll. Both took opposite viewpoints, fwiw.

That's a sensible checklist; I'll remember that. I hadn't heard or thought of the aspect regarding foreplay; I know some would see it as present in Song of Songs, but that's debatable.

Of course it is sinful.
Ty.
Putting the penis, which creates life, in an asshole, which excrets biological rejects is a grave disrespect to life itself.
I can definitely follow that reasoning.
A similar analogy can be used to oral sex, you shouldn't put the organ which is most related to creating life in the mouth, the organ about consuming. That way you'd be inverting the semen's natural order (giving life) and consuming the holyness of existance itself for mere hedonism.
Regarding that, don't you suppose that God created the marriage bed for pleasure as well as for procreation?

Because miracles are unusual, otherwise they wouldn't be miracles. The time of Christ and the Apostles was a unique part of history, despite what Charismatics want you to believe. While God has certainly providentially orchestrated history to His good will and many "miracles" since the time of the Apostles, it's been of an entirely different nature.

The early church recognized this change; except for a lunatic fringe, the Montanists (who parallel modern Pentecostals/Charismatics) everyone recognized the cessation of prophecy and miracles.

Jordan Robinson
Jordan Robinson

Anytime friend :) It warms my heart to help others and save them from sin. Many blessings upon you and your house.

Juan Roberts
Juan Roberts

<Does this mean you also restrict women laying with men as to use their mouth to pleasure the man? And also do you forbid women from laying with a man by pleasuring with the hand?

Look at yourself in a mirror, trying to play lawyer with God's word. Just admit you worship your cummies more than you worship God. Be honest with yourself and others. God knows whats in your heart, He knows everything, and He WILL judge you for it.
<only men can be sodomites
Wrong, if that were the case, God wouldn't have glassed ALL of Sodom and Gomorrha. If that were the case God would have only killed off the men in Sodom and Gomorrha like he did the first borns in Exodus. There is a reason why 'buttsecks' is called sodomy. Ever heard of a lesbian? They do deplorable acts upon themselves and other women all the time. They are still sodomites. Sodomites are slaves to their lustful passions.

13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
1Cor 6:13

6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:6

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
Eph 5:3

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
Gal 5:19

4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
Heb 13:4

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
1Cor 6:18

22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”
Mark 7:22-23

3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God;
1Thes 4:3-5

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Luis Martin
Luis Martin

Again, you people are using verses condemning homosexual acts and adultery, and twisting them to include heterosexual acts performed within marriage. When called out you don't respond, but double down and screech louder about how God will judge people you don't agree with. So far I have not seen a single shred of scriptural evidence (possibly excluding the story of Omar) which wasn't people projecting their likely grounded hatred of buttsecks onto semi-related scripture, and it honestly reminds me of the Talmud's winnie the poohery.
At least take some reference from and focus on the physical damage most buttstuff causes. This way you have a valid argument without trying to read your own views into scripture and people are more likely to listen to you.

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Adam Bell
Adam Bell

Okay, so I've went ahead and bought a skateboard without my dad knowing about it. And I think he would disagree. But, long story short, I fell about two or three times on my sacrum bone and I don't know whether I fractured it or not. I can just about do anything I did before, the only difference is when I apply pressure to it, it hurts. I think it's a bit swollen.

tl;dr How can I know for sure whether or not I broke my bone?

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

Why is praying the rosary so important to Catholics? It isn't mentioned in the bible

Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

and twisting them to include heterosexual acts performed within marriage
I remember reading a text somewhere on the internet on sexual morality (I believe the text was originally written by St. Thomas Aquinas). Basically, just because a married couple are heterosexual, that doesn't mean they can just do any sexually degenerate thing together. Even preparatory sexual acts such as fellatio and masturbation (either done manually or by one's partner) are forbidden. Fondling of the breasts even, is forbidden unless it's occurring during the act of intercourse.
Basically, the only sexual thing a husband and wife can do together is benis in bagina because that's the only sexual act that can potentially serve the purpose of sex: procreation.

Ah. Here. I found it. Assuming you're Catholic, you'll want to read this:
catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm

Anthony Roberts
Anthony Roberts

It can't hurt to see a Doctor.
If it's a minor injury, now you know and you can stop worrying about it thus saving you stress.
If it's a major injury, you identified it early and now you can take the proper measures against it, thus saving you stress and pain.

I severely doubt you're at an age where your Dad needs to know about your Doctor appointments. I'm sure you can go alone but nonetheless, if it's dire, you'll just have to confess. I'm sure your Dad will be understanding. If he's not and you're never allowed to skateboard again, that's okay too. You can always wait until you move out. After all, you can't live with him forever.

Cameron Martinez
Cameron Martinez

She is the Queen of Heaven
<why is she the Queen of Heaven?
Muh Pope told me so
See:
According to ancient tradition and the sacred liturgy the main principle on which the royal dignity of Mary rests is without doubt her divine motherhood. In holy writ, concerning the son whom Mary will conceive, we read this sentence: “He shall be called the son of the most high, and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father, and he shall reign in the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end,” and in addition Mary is called “Mother of the Lord,” from this it is easily concluded that she is a queen, since she bore a son who, at the very moment of his conception, because of the hypostatic union of the human nature with the Word, was also as man, king and lord of all things. So with complete justice St. John Damascene could write: “When she became mother of the creator, she truly became queen of every creature.” Likewise, it can be said that the heavenly voice of the Archangel Gabriel was the first to proclaim Mary’s royal office (Ad Caeli Reginam, 34)

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Nicholas Sullivan
Nicholas Sullivan

So your answers helped but didn't really explain it all so I did some more reading and I'm trying to peace it together. Is this the correct picture:

1. Sin separates us from God and this is bad because we were created to be in communion with God
2. We deserve punishment for sinning and polluting the world
3. Instead of paying the debt for our sin ourselves, Jesus pays it with his Crucifixion which atones for our sins
4. This means the option to be Reconciled with God (communion) is back open to us
5. However, we must have faith in Jesus' atonement for it to be able to atone for our sins
6. Baptism washes us of our Original Sin inherited from Adam and there is only one Baptism because there was only 1 death and resurrection
7. The Sacrament of Reconciliation removes our Mortal and Venial Sins after our Baptism so we maybe reconciled with God in this life after we've last sinned
8. The Last Judgement is when Jesus judges who will enter Heaven or Hell based on our Faith and Works in this lifetime.

Is this accurate? Have I missed or confused anything?

Adam Lewis
Adam Lewis

dog
exodus 11:7
But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.
isaiah 56:10-12
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.
1 kings 21:19
And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD,In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine.
1 kings 22:38
And one washed the chariot in the pool of Samaria; and the dogs licked up his blood; and they washed his armour; according unto the word of the LORDwhich he spake.
1 samuel 17:43
And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that thou comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods.
<Am I a dog, as a philistine/non christian/non-spirit/non-devil/beast/flesh
yes

In other words, sodomites are brute beasts, animals.
james 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Really makes you think, humans/dogs are dead because they don't have spirit being beasts ecclesasties 3:18-21.
just admit that what I am saying without a biblical quote to back it up is biblical
No.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

1.What is chastity
2.What is the point of marriage?

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

I am astounded at how little your link references scripture, but then again it is Catholic so that's to be expected. Anyhow, it's about time I looked at the Song of Solomon again so I'll get back to you if I find anything relevant.

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

THE JEWS outlawed anyone younger than 30 form reading Song of Solomon back in their days.
Don't do that.

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

The Jews also added loads of extra restrictions over the Bible's teachings to the point where they called out Jesus for healing on the sabbath and his disciples for rubbing grains of wheat between their figures. Give me a single good reason why this extra-biblical restriction of theirs (prohibiting people from reading an entire book of God's word, no less) is any different.

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

demands tons of scriptural evidence
doesn't read previous post's scriptural evidence
<answer me stoopid christian

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Nathan Ortiz
Nathan Ortiz

That is one of the worst wojacks I've ever seen.

Lincoln Powell
Lincoln Powell

Still waiting for an answer if anyone knows.

James Baker
James Baker

Jews are wrong when they put out extra-biblical restrictions
But they're right when they rip out the bible
Ouch.

Blake Ross
Blake Ross

lol sorry for bump/late reply but you can say that again.

although from an orthodox perspective, the whole catholic church is guilty of disobedience and visa virsa desu

Hudson White
Hudson White

Are there any bible passages that speak against immodest clothing?
I think its totally reasonable for women to wear less clothing when its hot outside.

Henry Ortiz
Henry Ortiz

There is no such thing. "To western"

Brody Reed
Brody Reed

Anyone care to comment on the latest about the Pope and his apparent approval of sodomites? I cba to make a thread for fear of this being like 10 of the last 10 times where the media misrepresents the Pope's words.

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

Since there is so much controversy around how to work with the current pope, why doesn't someone just post a book or something like that about how normal Priests/Saints worked while, for example, the Avignon papacy was running?
It would be better than screaming at people to do what you want and how obedience/rebellion is better and how sedes/what is the proper name to put here? are obviously wrong.

Adrian Mitchell
Adrian Mitchell

How far back do you have to go in confession? Should I bring up things I did when I was 10? 12? Does it depend on severity?

Dominic Kelly
Dominic Kelly

I would guess you have to play back the tape of standard Pope defenses. Personally I'm more interested in spending time studying and learning God's word.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

Listening to El Pais.
"No"
To last valid confession plus sins that you forgot during it. Unless its general confession then all that you remember, ever.

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

Fondling of the breasts even, is forbidden unless it's occurring during the act of intercourse.
Even that?

Easton Williams
Easton Williams

So there are no catechisms, dogma, or anything?

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

Wait a minute, I CTRL+F'd the website you linked and
However, acts such as a husband kissing and caressing his wife's breasts, or a wife kissing and embracing her husband passionately, are not sexual acts per se, and so these acts are generally moral and do not need to be unitive and procreative.

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Because in the Bible is quite clear to listen to the Church. And Church accepted Marian apparition to saint Dominic, in which Mary gave him angelic psalter as true. Have you seen any Albigensians in past 800 years? Nethier do us.
1. Sin separates us from God and this is bad because we were created to be in communion with God
True though I would add
<0. Adam and Eve, forefathers of human race, we're created in friendship and grace of God, but through original sin as representative of whole humanity declared war on God and thus every man is born without grace, "child of warth"
2. We deserve punishment for sinning and polluting the world
Yes.
3. Instead of paying the debt for our sin ourselves, Jesus pays it with his Crucifixion which atones for our sins
Not quite. We couldn't pay this debt. Debt of sin of one man is so great that whole humanity that ever lived, lives or will live couldn't pay it.
And Christ death was not merely "paying the debt". It was sacrfice and not just a sacrafice but super-abundant atonement. Or better yet super-super-abundant since even the most insignificant act of will of Christ wasmeritous enough to pay our debts.
4. This means the option to be Reconciled with God (communion) is back open to us
Yes.
5. However, we must have faith in Jesus' atonement for it to be able to atone for our sins
Not in the sense that sacrifice of Christ is not in and of itself efficient and needs faith to work, but application of it's fruits to particular man is by faith.
6. Baptism washes us of our Original Sin inherited from Adam and there is only one Baptism because there was only 1 death and resurrection
Baptism washes all sins that stained soul before baptism, not only original.
7. The Sacrament of Reconciliation removes our Mortal and Venial Sins after our Baptism so we maybe reconciled with God in this life after we've last sinned
Yes.
8. The Last Judgement is when Jesus judges who will enter Heaven or Hell based on our Faith and Works in this lifetime.
Not quite. Before Last Judgment, there is Particular Judgment. "After Death, Judgment" as Paul writes. On the particular judgment fate of man is decided - Hell or Heaven (both long and short way). And you will be principaly judged if you were in state of Grace when you died. To quote first ever catheism: the whole time of your faith shall not profit you except in the last season ye be found perfect.
Last Judgment is more about public vindication. Presume that you died in state of grace, but some people on earth lied about you so that all generations remeber you as monster that you were not. On Last Judgment your honor shall be restored before all men and angels.
Seven ecumenical councils are binding. Majority would say that council of Jerusalem in 1600s too. And there are some catechisms but no pan-orthodox ones.
But such passionate acts are for married only remember that.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

Is it correct to say that a homosexual who was saved before deciding to be homosexual is still saved after the fact?
Isn't it said that if they're homosexual, God has left them?
Is being gay evidence that they were never saved in the first place?

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

Baptist here. They are still saved through OSAS.

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

homosexual who was saved before deciding to be homosexual
Not possible

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

Recommend me a Bible

I want

73 books
Language accuracy
No inclusive language

at the bookstore right now.

Logan Walker
Logan Walker

This might be quite, quite a simple question but I'll ask it anyways:

What makes the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church still part of the 'Holy and Apostolic Church' and not the Protestant derivates that Luther made, if they still conserved rites and used to have Apostolic Succession?

Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

What's the Christian stance on the idea of non-sexual child grooming? That is, befriending a girl while she's still a child, getting her used to your personality, your hobbies, your jokes, etc. And then, when she's of a proper age, marrying her and procreating with her?
The definition of child grooming is the befriending of a child as part of a plot to sexually abuse or exploit that child. "Non-sexual child grooming" then is the befriending of a child to build rapport for the planned future marriage. Naturally, something like this could only work in a highly idealised high-trust society where everyone is known by everyone else but nonetheless, what do you think the Christian stance is on such a thing?
Are there circumstances where you might consider it acceptable?
Do you find the idea intrinsically irredeemable?
Is the idea intrinsically irredeemable?

Zachary Flores
Zachary Flores

Because there's a 100% chance that Protestants are just in schism with Catholicism but nobody can exactly pin a "This is a 100% sure proof that Orthodoxs/Catholics are the RIGHT part of the schism" argument just yet.

Eli Adams
Eli Adams

What makes the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church still part of the 'Holy and Apostolic Church' and not the Protestant derivates that Luther made, if they still conserved rites and used to have Apostolic Succession?
Because they are as you say, "derivates that Luther made". Not God, but man. Rome and Constantinople share pretty much all of the fundamental dogmas of faith, inherited directly from the Apostles themselves, but "protestants" (by their very nature) reject them.
Further, Lutheran theology radically differs from what Apostolics believe and teach (from the sacraments to sacrementals, salvation, ecclesiology, hagiology, scripture, apostolic succession itself and so forth) and the constant protestant pushing in their race to the bottom ensures that so long as gay marriage, female priests etc. exist, they cannot claim Apostolic inheritance.

I know what you are trying to say, but this is still a very, very bad idea. In essence you are trying to take over the role of her father (and her mother too, I suppose). This is what he should be doing (protecting, cultivating and loving his daughter to make her the kind of woman a man would gladly lay down his life for her) and it's not "grooming", it's raising a child properly. If you meet a girl with whom you fall in love, and is a bit of a mess, you can help to fix her and heal her, but starting out that early is just strange.
Also, no matter how hard you try to protest to others, you will never convince most of them that you are trying to be anything other than a creepy guy trying to protect her "purity" by keeping it to himself, or worse, someone who is a legitimate paedophile.

Tyler Cook
Tyler Cook

Question.
The bible mentions praying for wisdom multiple times, I think most pronouncedly in James 1:5-7 , but I was wondering, does the Catholic Church have any documents on this?

Anthony Wood
Anthony Wood

Never heard of courting before?
Used to be all the rage: you like a girl, you ask the father to court her so that gives you bonding time and lets the father see if your actually marriage material, eventually leading to a healthy family with a providing husband and a young fertile wife. Because remember in this day and age the amount of "partners" a girl has had before settling down is usually more than you can count on your hand.

The femenist movement and its free sex ideology is undermining the basic structure for healthy families that has lasted us millenia.

Unfourtunatly (((someone))) thinks stable marriage is a bad thing.

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Oliver White
Oliver White

RSVCE

Jayden Powell
Jayden Powell

Is smoking dope a sin? I typically share a bowl with friends once a week hanging out. I don't get stoned to the point of retardation like you see on those ridiculous dab videos online but just a nice afterglow feel.
I have no problem stopping or quitting I just can't seem to find a definitive answer.
It's legal where I live as well.

Jacob Thompson
Jacob Thompson

What's the deal with wall with three doors dividing church in orthodox churches?

Nolan Howard
Nolan Howard

Under all of those conditions I would say it's fine the same way a few beers are fine, but only under them. Ask your priest though.

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

Yes. To drink alcohol is not a sin for it's still nourishing drink and when in moderation cannot get your mind drunk.
To smoke tobacco is not sin for it doesn't affect your behavior in negative way.
To use medicine in not sin for it's for health.
But drugs of all kinds, pot included, is intself sinful for it destroy image of God in you - it waekens free will, it weakens intelect, it weakens mind.

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

Should I read an OT based on the Masoretic text (like the KJV) or on the Septuagint (like the OSB)? Perhaps even the Douay-Rheims which is based on the Vulgata… What are some fundamental doctrine differences between them?

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

I didn't think so.

Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips

Same as the rood screen.

Michael Baker
Michael Baker

How do you feel about a bible class that tries figure out what they meant by that, but leaves a bad taste in your mouth sometimes when they're basically weaving an alternate secular narrative.

Rahab wasn't a prostitute, she was an "inn-keeper", male translaters just liked to call her a prostitute like with Mary Magdalene
Rahab probably let in some soldiers via rope for a surprise attac during the time when Joshua and the people of israel were circling jericho.
Achan and his family weren't stoned and killed just exiled.
When they slaughtered everything down to the last man and even killed the livestock as ordered by God, they were merely exaggerating.
Paul's hankerchief didn't do anything, people were healed with the placebo effect

Sometimes I get an interesting insight because the teacher apparently learned from hebrew bible scholars in israel, but sometimes I get a modern interpretation with ever so slight SJW elements.

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Jose Hill
Jose Hill

Sounds like a bad tree to me.

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

mainly directed at eastern Catholics:

which one do you think has more power to fight off satan: the Jesus prayer or the Hail Mary? I assume an orthodox Christian would say both have the same power or the Jesus prayer has more, but i guess that idea comes from the concept that a prayer directed to God himself would be more effective than one to Mary that is then passed on to God, which I think sounds very Protestant. I guess then my question boils down to how eastern Catholics deal with her role as Mediatrix as opposed to Jesus Christ being the Only Mediator

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Elijah Campbell
Elijah Campbell

If the primacy of Peter was lost during the Schism, would that part of that Church that was left behind (Ordodogs) not be part of the actual Church?

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

implying the Catholics aren't the schismatics

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Blake Martin
Blake Martin

…but one kept Peter's primacy going though, as it was commanded and as guided by the Holy Ghost

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

Been meaning to ask/post this but is there a difference between Luciferianism and Satanism or are they both just the same edgy thing?
I found a word press/blog with some college age guy ranting about how Christianity isn't original and stole from others and other nonsense. It all sounds pretty dumb but if anyone is willing to look into it here is the guys blog: mythoughtsbornfromfire.wordpress.com/tag/christianity/

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Cameron Thompson
Cameron Thompson

Because the Holy Mother has a will that is perfectly aligned to that of God, she administers the Grace that is poured through the intercession of Christ. The greatest "power" to crush satan has the most holy Rosary. It is a tool revealed by our Holy Mother herself and affirmed by Christ.

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Why do we pray to Jesus chrtist?
Yes im trinitarian

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Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

Genesis, until after Cain and Abel.
Why did God choose one offering over the other's?
Why is the dialogue strange in the beginning? The way God seems to imply there are more?
The serpent is the devil, no? But why all snakes?
I believe in God and this will not shake my belief, I just want to know, perferably from traditional Catholics, Orthodox, or Coptic Christians, because protestants… well, anyway.
Pic semi-related in that it's related to Creation but Gnostics are heretics.

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Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

Also, does anyone have any news on that one user who was under questioning for potentially being a pedophile, even though he wasn't?

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Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

Vulgate, when it comes to faith and morals, is perfect. Septuagint is very good, for it is main Bible of apostles. MT is key places is utter trash for it was made against Christians.
This is the moment when you should politely apologise for the noise and leave. Leaving dust from feet behind.
Without grace and faith neither, and if one have greater devotion to Jesus Prayer it would probably better for him, but it's exoristically certain that nothing hurts satan more than Mary. For when he have his ass kicked by God he can still have his pride. But when he recives beating by "handmaid of the Lord" even this is destoryed..
We do not pray to Christ i.e. we do not say "Saint Christ, pray for us"
Prayer is an act, and acts belong to particular persons [supposita]. Hence, were we to say: "Christ, pray for us," except we added something, this would seem to refer to Christ's person, and consequently to agree with the error either of Nestorius, who distinguished in Christ the person of the son of man from the person of the Son of God, or of Arius, who asserted that the person of the Son is less than the Father. Wherefore to avoid these errors the Church says not: "Christ, pray for us," but "Christ, hear us," or "have mercy on us."
Why did God choose one offering over the other's?
Common explanation is this: Cain didn't really wanted to offer anything so he got worst fruits for sacrifice.
Why is the dialogue strange in the beginning? The way God seems to imply there are more?
Trinity.
The serpent is the devil, no? But why all snakes?
Yes. And cursed "snakes" here are devils, not snakes.

Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson

I'm a protestant who doesn't into veneration, but if Jesus' throne is the throne of David, then surely Mary would be seated at Jesus' right hand as David's mother was, no?

Jonathan Ramirez
Jonathan Ramirez

That's why we call her Queen in the first place.

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

if each passion is a desire for something, what is pride the desire for?

Isaiah Morris
Isaiah Morris

Is something big going to happen in 2033? Did something big ever happen in 1033?

Juan Brown
Juan Brown

what is pride the desire for?
Godhood.
what did he mean by this?

The first prideful creature God created was satan. Satan thought he was better and knew more than God. His pride was so out of whack he dragged other angels with him when God banished him to hell.

Simply put, pride is arrogance. It's putting yourself on a higher pedistal than God. It's thinking you know better than God.

Also, here is the google definition:
a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

Also, pic related

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Liam Harris
Liam Harris

anything significant happen in 1033?
According to Wikipedia, the Holy Roman Emperor inherited the kingdom of Burgundy. Unrelated to that, mass hysteria broke out in Europe because people thought it was the end times due to weird spring weather.

whatl'l happen in 2033?
I have three guesses to this:
1. There will be hysteria like in 1033 that wont amount to anything
2. WW3 war drums will be beaten at a more rapid pace as (((our greatest ally))) demands more blood
3. Nothing

Levi Martinez
Levi Martinez

Passions are emotions or movements of the sensitive appetite that incline us to act or not to act in regard to something felt or imagined to be good or evil.
Now there are Concupiscible and Irascible passions. The former are simple inclination with respect to sensible object. Thus they are ethier attraction (object is good) or repulsion (object is evil) towards object. Desire is attraction that happens when there is good that is not yet possesed.
Thus not all passions are desires in the strict sense. Only desire is properly desire.
Now, Pride [superbia] is so called because a man thereby aims (desires) higher [supra] than he is; wherefore Isidore says (Etym. x): "A man is said to be proud, because he wishes to appear above (super) what he really is"; for he who wishes to overstep beyond what he is, is proud.
Now right reason requires that every man's will should tend to that which is proportionate to him. Therefore it is evident that pride denotes something opposed to right reason, and this shows it to have the character of sin, because according to Dionysius (Div. Nom. iv, 4), "the soul's evil is to be opposed to reason."
Supermoon Lunar Eclipse will be neat.

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

Also, pic related
Okay quickly what do you mean by that

Austin Davis
Austin Davis

Yeah, that sounds bad.
(The 'we killed them to the man' part is right though, it was basically a common idiom at the time for military commanders to use regardless of outcome. Note that several times after the Israelites 'left no man alive' they had to chase remaining soldiers down over hills or took in refugees or were told not to marry the women.)

Tyler White
Tyler White

Blease resbond

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

Im saying the sodomites are full of pride in their cummies. Thats why they act like entitled donkies. Homosexuality is peak narcissism.

Parker Brown
Parker Brown

How do I deal with envy? I am very envious person right now, it wasn't like this before.

Christian Davis
Christian Davis

Okay cool.
Now can you explain to me how "cummies" is not vulgar?

William Martin
William Martin

My vulgarity was intentional. I could have typed much worse. If I hurt you feefees im sorry
that im not sorry

Nicholas Peterson
Nicholas Peterson

Yes, I'm offended.
After all, nothing could be more offensive to me than using a word invented by masturbators and other sex addicts
Intelligent moves you have, there.

Alexander Reyes
Alexander Reyes

Are there FOV sliders in hell?

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Charles Perez
Charles Perez

Imagine if people could see the afflictions of the spirit
They would just mouth off a comment they knew it was rude and suddenly their soul would have ugly marks on it. Sin rates would drop dramatically across the board.

That means you. Stop laughing at the departed.

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Parker Hill
Parker Hill

Depends on what you are envious about. I've dealt and still deal with envy but I think I have some pretty decent thoughts on it.

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

Romantic relationships, mostly. I get very envious, angry and sad whenever I see happy young couples, in real life or even in fiction. It's seriously damaging my life and most importantly moving me further away from God.

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

Just be a good, God fearing man. Keep His commandments and God will eventually bless you with a wife. Just be thankful for what God gave you. If I were you, when ever you feel jealous because of someone's happiness, just say a prayer to God that he bless those people. That should help you get over your envy.

And remember, God can't do all the work for you, have you meet Him halfway and better yourself aswell. Best of luck to you user!

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James Edwards
James Edwards

Are prayers made any stronger when we face North? I learned that in masonic lodges they have demons you visit at the other compass directions and the north is absent and they say nothing good comes from the north. Is it bad to explicitly pray in a particular direction? I'm not saying that God cares but maybe the other compass directions are corrupted by these spirits?

Charles Cox
Charles Cox

No they are not "stronger" or anything. There's nothing special about the "North". Note: Anything that comes from freemasons (and be it you taking what they say as "inversion") is satanic and has to be fought off immediately.
As Christians, we CAN (this is not a must) turn ourselves to the East, because that is where Christ was born, lived, died, and was resurrected - but not for "stronger" prayers, just for higher degree of reverence. Note that Christ is our "East" - so that when you align your heart "to the East", you align it with and turn it to Christ.

Mason Miller
Mason Miller

i learned at a masoinc lodge

Oh…well theres your problem. Dont trust these (((masons))). Their god is Lucifer, not God of the Bible.

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Matthew Peterson
Matthew Peterson

user I….

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Brody Russell
Brody Russell

This raises another question in my mind:
If a man is a legitimate paedophile, can he court a girl? Let's assume the paedophile is willing to wait for her to be of a marriageable age and is willing to wait for marriage before copulation. Let's assume the paedophile is a God-fearing paedophile and consequently, never does anything to abuse his power over this girl. Is such a thing still okay?
I feel like, because the paedophile would be lusting for the child while he helps her bathe or helps her dress, the lust in and of itself fundamentally changes the nature of these acts of helpfulness and so being paedo makes the courting act intrinsically bad.

John Richardson
John Richardson

I've been gripped with fear about the state of my soul lately. I was once saved (still am maybe?) In fact, I was once in love with God. I had spent years wanting more from him, more of him. After constantly seeking him and pouring my heart to him for so long, desiring more of his heart, for some reason, he became quiet. After seeking him more and more, I became frustrated and began to backslide. For about a year, I allowed my heart to harden. I had already dealt with a problem of porn, and by this time I had picked up my smoking habit again. Seeing the problem, I desperately clung to him, but falling again and again, my heart began to become more and more calloused. I began associating with the wrong sorts of people and living the wrong lifestyle, believing that somehow my faith was stronger than my temptations. I failed again and again without God, and more and more I began to realize just how much I needed him, how without him I was nothing, but my heart was too hardened, I couldn't endure the journey back to the Father. Today I dont see him at all, he seems so far away. Not in a tribulation "God seems far away but I know hes with me" kind of far away, like a crushingly hopeless feeling of separation and fear. I recently read the parable of the branches and the vines in John 15:1-17 and upon reading it, my heart utterly sank and panic began to take over. I had hope for so long that somewhere down the line, my backsliding would end, and I would find myself in the arms of the savior once again. I had never considered the idea that I might be an apostate, and that my Lord had removed me from the tree and thrown me into the fire.

I'm so afraid Zig Forums, and the state of my sinfulness isnt such that I can just straighten up by myself, despite being scared shitless. I dont have anyone to go to, everyone just tells me that everything is okay and God loves me and all that but I dont think they really understand the dark place I am spiritually

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Hunter King
Hunter King

Even if there's any possibility that some of the lines of the compass might be "corrupt" in any sense, I think that issue might fall through analogy under the precepts regarding cleanliness and uncleanliness (Acts 10:15, Romans 14:14, 1 Corinthians 10:25, 1 Titus 15). But I don't quite know how to argue that one, so judge for yourself. The custom of associating certain cardinal directions with certain spirits is most likely something which Freemasonry picked up from occultism, which in itself shouldn't ingratiate anyone to such a belief.

Aaron King
Aaron King

Well, I would tell you to become Orthodox, but besides that, I don't know what to say other than keep praying. Have a prayer rule, if you don't already.

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

Also, I've heard something about confessing your sins at home in prayer, which someone said is not like actual Confession, but he said it does help. I can't recall who said it. Good luck

Michael Adams
Michael Adams

It's a superstition.

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Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

I've been considering it for a while, becoming Orthodox. My Catholic friend has been trying to get me into the church (I'm protestant) but I just can't make the leap, too much I can't accept. I've been to RCIA, asked a priest a list of good questions I had over the course of the year and I'm not feeling it. I live in the American South as well so there aren't many Orthodox churches. I'd be glad to look into it however if you could point me in the right direction or give me some advice.

In regards to confession, no matter how dark a place I was, when I sincerely confess to the Lord, I feel a peace wash over me, like a fatherly love. It's the only moments of peace with the Lord that I seem to have anymore

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

If Petrine sucession was broken by the Orthodox Church and not the Catholic Church, isn't the True Church the Roman Catholic one?

Zachary Nelson
Zachary Nelson

I'm sorry but
*>orthoprot meme*
has struck again.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

I've been wandering church to church for several years since I can't find a church home, most of the protestant churches I go to offer not much of substance, so it wouldn't be illogical to find one that does outside of the protestant churches, especially one with tightly knit communities and uncompromising doctrine outside "I felt this emotion and read this part of the word, this is true now." But that's besides the point of my original post

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

mfw I will never get an answer

Baby Grinch should be crying, though

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Hudson Stewart
Hudson Stewart

This user basically covered anything I could honestly say.
Keep your mind in the right place and keep God in your heart and mind constantly. I still feel a tinge of jealousy/anger when I see people my age holding hands or displaying affection but I know my time will come. I have God and God has me, I can't really ask for much more than that. Never stop trying to improve yourself. Whether it is getting physically stronger, learning new things, or just even learning more about the good Lord. Always strive to be better than you were the day prior.

Easton Gray
Easton Gray

Eh, I have a question ever since I read .

Go check catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm
However, natural family planning does not deprive sexual acts of the procreative meaning. NFP consists of two types of acts: abstaining from sexual relations for a period of time, and engaging in sexual relations open to life for a period of time. But when engaging in sexual relations, the spouses' sexual acts are always marital, unitive, and procreative. They do not use any type of contraceptive pill or device. They engage only in natural marital relations open to life.
Where is this "only having sex when the wife isn't fertile" thing coming form? Does the Catholic Church have any other books on this?

Dominic Ross
Dominic Ross

If you would draw yourself a graph of "probability of having kid" to "days in menstrual cycle" you would get classic bell curve. There is not a single period in life of women between her puberty to menopause when she is infertile.

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

Okay wait.
Its true?
So basically instead of using a condom you just wait until the chances of having a baby are at their lowest?

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

Yes and Yes.

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

Why is the christpol thread locked?

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

masonic lodge
even entertaining boy scouts who eventually learn they are larping as talmudic satanists

Michael Carter
Michael Carter

Because we know too much. So just spread the message throughout the rest of the threads.

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Julian Parker
Julian Parker

I know we get this question 100 times a day, but I need help. I have no motivation, for anything but it's especially apparent for things like prayer, reading the Bible, abstaining from sin, etc. I just feel so hopeless and even though I can reason to myself that I should enjoy these things and do them for the sake of Christ I still can't force myself to do so, to the point where I can't even bother to try and get motivation or improve myself in any way. At this point I'm basically torturing myself internally by not doing these things because I always feel bad. I don't really know what to do or where to go from here, anything would be appreciated.
Pic unrelated

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David Hill
David Hill

Give yourself a routine and stick with it. Eat your greens dat vitamin K doe ;) cut out the shitty food, join the liftwaffe, cut the vidya and anime from your life stuff rots your brain anyway things may look bad for you now, but just remember that it can be MUCH worse, like Job levels of worse.

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Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

Does anyone have any good reading on positive Christianity that's not biased?

Chase Baker
Chase Baker

since we are saved by grace is there and incentive to do good works when it comes to the afterlife?

Easton Brown
Easton Brown

Are ALL prayers answered, and if so/even if not so, are there any specifics I should know?
I'm a Catholic and I've been wondering why some people get upset or confused when it seems their prayers haven't been answered. I really don't understand, what is the big deal? Even one prayer answered is a huge gift.

I considered setting up a rule for myself: "It doesn't matter if prayers are answered, they are heard and considered either way"– But before I do this, I've been wondering, does his contradict anything the bible/church said?

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Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

why is it that people get angry when God doesn't answer their prayers?

The same reason why a child gets upset when the parent refuses to buy them more candy. God knows best. Some people tend to forget that. Another way to look at it would be that people are too impatient and dont thibk about the long term. People tend to think in the short term because us humans have limited time while God has all the time in eternity.

Define "positve Christianit" is it pic related? You might have a hard time finding an "unbiased" source considering (((who))) won WW2

here we go again
If you have faith, you will do good works. Remember the parable of the talents
See: Matthew 25:14-30

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Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

No, there is duty and necessity of doing them. Faith only does not saves but faith that worketh through charity.
“You ask but do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.” (James 4:3)
All prayers are heard. And all are answered. But "No" and "Not yet" are valid answers.
If you have faith, you will do good works. Remember the parable of the talents
Did you forgot the one who received grace (one talent) and did nothing?

Adrian Howard
Adrian Howard

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said,
<Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

<25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, >Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Are you reading the same Bible as me?
Because I don't think you are.

Adrian Roberts
Adrian Roberts

I don't fit into any group. I don't fit in with atheists or christians or political groups or hobby groups. I've been alone almost 24/7 for 5 years now. I don't have a question, only mindless bitching and self pity. I'm posting here for attention and because I know you guys won't be too mean.

Levi Howard
Levi Howard

under that definition, you should realize that alcohol is a drug. Alcohol also weakens free will, and intellect, and mind, both destroy brain cells and temporaily cause more serious results.

Lucas Long
Lucas Long

Hey guys,

I saved this picture a while ago, maybe from here I don't remember. I just thought it looked neat but I'm wondering what the symbols on it represent in case they're from some specific weird sect or something. Is it appropriate for a RC to use this as a wallpaper? I tried reverse image search and got no results. Sorry if they're really obvious, I'm still in RCIA.

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Nicholas Jackson
Nicholas Jackson

Just looks like cover art for the next U2 album.

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

You are the one who said "If you have faith, you will do good works. Remember the parable of the talents". Only possible way to understand it logically is to say that in parable talents are faith amd profits made are good works. But in parable one servant who have faith didn't do good works. Thus propostion "faith=>works" renders itself as false
Read book user to get thy mind right. Koneczny, Lewis, Chesterton. Then read Bible with good commentary.
Did you didn't read what I wrote in literally the first sentence?
It is written (Sirach 31): "Wine drunken with moderation is the joy of the soul and the heart." and "Wine taken with sobriety is equal life to men; if thou drink it moderately, thou shalt be sober." and then "Sober drinking is health to soul and body; wine drunken with excess raiseth quarrels, and wrath and many ruins."
Watch vid related
It's Holy Week. Palm for Palm Sunday, Crown of Thorns for Good Friday, empty cross for Holy Saturday, and open tomb for Resurrection Sunday. Holy Thursday is missing though.

Mason Ward
Mason Ward

Thanks, I wasn't sure if it was a wheat or a palm, and I was inclined to think the circles were for planets which made me afraid it might be some kind of esoteric or occult thing.

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

By the way, biblical jerusalem, the physical one, is located in arabia and not where (((modern day jerusalem))) is.
Can I have some more on this?

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

What is exactly the Firmament described in Genesis?

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

The unprofitable servant had no faith in His lord even though his lord commanded him to do works. Ergo his lord took his talent and cast him into darkness. It's pretty simple buddy.

But the servants that DID have faith DID the work their lord commanded them to do and they were rewarded justly.

Just like how Jesus COMMANDS his followers to baptise the world in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. If you have knowledge of the Gospel but sit on your butt all day watching an*me and playing vidya you are wasting the talent Jesus gave you.

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Leo Ross
Leo Ross

I know this is a stretch, but does anyone know any good churches in Bellingham? I already know must of them are pozzed (pic related) and because this is a lefty university town I don't want to waste time with churches that are just SJW crap with Jesus painted over it.

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Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

What is the Christian perspective on Julius Evola? I understand a lot of his work is good, but at the same time, a lot of it is Mystic garbage.

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Alexander Sanchez
Alexander Sanchez

By the way, biblical jerusalem, the physical one, is located in arabia and not where (((modern day jerusalem))) is.
Your conspiracy theories and jew-hating makes you reach new heights of stupidity and distorting uncontroversial facts every day.

David Morgan
David Morgan

Magic
Hermeticism
Tantric sex
Humanistic self-help
Pic related.

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Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

By the way, biblical jerusalem, the physical one, is located in arabia and not where (((modern day jerusalem))) is.
You know…at the moments like this I thank God that I have abandoned /pol/ in a timely manner before I became a moron like a hafizposter

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Camden Powell
Camden Powell

How to be less judgemental?

Jordan Brooks
Jordan Brooks

Get proper moral compass to know what actually is wrong and to be judged.
Remember that "being less judgmental" or even "love thy neighbor" does NOT mean "like people"
Remember that you are proably far, fat worse than anyone who you judge

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

Remember that you are proably far, fat worse than anyone who you judge
meme

Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

We are, as Paul VI put it, live in times of modern gentiles. They, for the most part, do not know better. But you do know better (or you at least should) and thus youw full willful sin are far worse than what they do without realising consequences.

Lincoln Brooks
Lincoln Brooks

as Paul VI put it, live in times of modern gentiles.
Was he perhaps the worst sinner of them all since he used a racist slur as the head of the church, fully knowing what it meant?

Landon Johnson
Landon Johnson

Language that Christ, Paul and Peter used to describe both Catholics and infidels alike is racist
???

Joshua Sanders
Joshua Sanders

Hm, now this actually makes me think. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my meme-tier reply.

Jonathan Bailey
Jonathan Bailey

What is the Truth and the word of God? I read it being referenced in the Bible but I never found what it actually is. Keep in mind I am not very bright.

Justin Richardson
Justin Richardson

What is the Truth
Vir est qui adest
God is Truth and all that is true flows from him.
and the word of God?
Either Divine Revelation (stuff that God said to man that was above his natural reason) or Second Person of the Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ.

Jose King
Jose King

John 17:17—
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jose Garcia
Jose Garcia

Semi-new here, what's the vitamin K meme about?

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

Vitamin K is good for ya. Its found in various greens and the KJV.

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Nathan Nelson
Nathan Nelson

Some Jewish (I hesitate to say 'sects') rabbis are trinitarian from the mentions of 'the Word of the Lord' and 'the Spirit of the Lord' in the OT.
I'd highly recommend you do a simple word search in the OT for those. You'll see pretty clearly that they're personified. Throughout Ezekiel "The word of the LORD came to me saying…" The last chapters of Isaiah especially: "they rebelled and vexed his holy spirit" or 'grieved.'

I can't find a spot where there's a specific "THE truth of God," it seems to be a contextual thing besides

Bentley Long
Bentley Long

Not really a question but I'm either becoming CoC, SDA, or OCA.

t-thanks

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

Could a CathBro explain the symbolism of the rose to me? Why are roses so heavily associated with Mary?

Lincoln Fisher
Lincoln Fisher

I like him. But I have stamped his books with my big red stamp that reads:
Heretical! Study purposes only.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

taylormarshall.com/2012/06/why-is-mary-is-mystical-rose.html

Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

OCA here, you will really enjoy it. Hope you join us.

Cameron Phillips
Cameron Phillips

Can you still be a Catholic and believe that:

1) Demonic Possession is made up and their natural causes to the person.

2) Miracles ended when Christ ascended and all "Recognised Miracles" like Marian apparitions are made up?

Basically I have trouble with the superstitious side of the faith…

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

1) Demonic Possession is made up and their natural causes to the person.
Not even protestants deny demonic possession, lad. Last of all Catholics.
2) Miracles ended when Christ ascended and all "Recognised Miracles" like Marian apparitions are made up?
If you say miracles ended, then you don't believe in the miracle that happens at every Mass when Christ is present in the Eucharist. So no, you can't be a Catholic if you believe that.

Eli Perez
Eli Perez

Not even protestants deny demonic possession, lad.
Not interested in what Prots believe. I want to know if a Catholic is obliged to believe in Demonic Posession?

If you say miracles ended, then you don't believe in the miracle that happens at every Mass when Christ is present in the Eucharist. So no, you can't be a Catholic if you believe that.
OK. Aside from that Sacraments, is believing in Miracles like Fatima and all the other examples really required?

Kevin Long
Kevin Long

I want to know if a Catholic is obliged to believe in Demonic Posession?
Alright, let me spell it out for you: YES, THEY ARE.
OK. Aside from that Sacraments, is believing in Miracles like Fatima and all the other examples really required?
Fatima and other marian apparitions are private revelations. So you aren't required to believe in them. However, you are required to agree with them being worthy of belief, as the Church teaches. However, the canonization of the visionaries in the apparitions is infallible and therefore you are required to believe they are saints.

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

Is it fine for me to begom Gadolic if my beliefs are more in line with Orthodox, but attending such a church is utterly impractical? My principal objections are ecclesiastical, and as per Vatican II, Orthodox doctrine is in communion with Catholic doctrine, yes? Given that Orthodox Christians are authorized to receive the Eucharist from the Catholic Church, there shouldn't be any problem from their perspective, no? That being said, would I be able to make it through RCIA with these beliefs? I realize that the Orthodox Church at-large does not believe it is in communion with the Catholic Church, however I personally do not view the differences as mortally irreconcilable.

Christopher Stewart
Christopher Stewart

Okay so what do you do during prayer time?
Get your mind focused
Carefully say a prayer
Try to meditate on the prayer or something
???
Three minutes have passed
I don't know anyone doing three minute prayers so I assume I'm missing something.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

Why don't we have an Orthodoxy general? Was there one before?

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

Time for a classic question: The Sabbath. This also applies to Protestants.

Why do we keep following the other nine commandments but not the fourth commandment that was changed due to political reasons in the early Church (it was even observed in the early Church, as far as I know, eventually being celebrated during Saturday night to Sunday dawn)?

Also, if I remember correctly Christ didn't abrogate Mosaic Law, but fulfilled it and established the New Covenant. The Sabbath should be intact.

Someone prove me wrong cause I'm damn sure I'm wrong and I feel retarded :–DDDDDDDD

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Leo Price
Leo Price

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

The precept of the Sabbath observance is moral in one respect, in so far as it commands man to give some time to the things of God, according to Psalm 45:11: "Be still and see that I am God." In this respect it is placed among the precepts of the decalogue: but not as to the fixing of the time, in which respect it is a ceremonial precept.

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Jesus Christ is the Sabbath. Rest in Him.

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

Nice, finally I get an answer that contains a Scriptural verse that's a powerful backup. I'm sure Christ doesn't mind if you worship him on Friday or Saturday or Sunday either way. As long as you go praise Him.

Will do fam

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

Does this explain the larpers?

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Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

To add to what the other anons said, I believe that it is taught by some churches that the Ten Commandments were technically abrogated, but that nine of them were part of the New Covenant.

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

Isaiah 58:13:14
True Sabbath is about self-control and refraining from doing what you want to perfect that self-control, not some sand ritual to be done every Saturday. That chapter also goes into true fasting which is giving your spare resources to those of your own who are in need of them. God bless!

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

Don't confuse my post as saying as food fasting is illegitimate. It's a form of self control which fulfills sabbath.

Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

I hope not, otherwise I sent a good christian girl to hell

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

Also, if I remember correctly Christ didn't abrogate Mosaic Law
Fulfilling the traditional law means you don't have to follow it anymore.
Unless you're interested in praying to god, that you might be able to execute people who have sinned again? Certainly not.

Gavin Rivera
Gavin Rivera

Unless you're interested in praying to god, that you might be able to execute people who have sinned again? Certainly not.
Boy that sentence looks strange. Doubleposting…

Unless you're interested in praying to God for a place where you can execute people who sin, just like people did in the Old Testament? Certainly not.

Jackson Hernandez
Jackson Hernandez

The Sabbath was done in memory of the 7th day of creation, when God rested. But furthermore, it mystically united the life of the Jew to the creation of the world, in a liturgical way. The world was created in six days and God rested on the seventh, so the Jew, being God's servant, would imitate his master and work during six days but rest on the seventh.

But we are Christians, and what matters to us is the 8th day of creation, when Christ rose from the dead and the new creation was realized. On the 7th day, the Jews had communion with the divine by resting alongside with God; on the 8th day, the Chrisians have communion with the divine by offering the sacrifice of the Eucharist, to be resurrected along with Christ. The Sabbath characterized the covenant with the Jews, the Lord's Day characterizes the covenant with the Christians. Furthermore, the resting of the Jews was a prefiguration of Christ resting in the tomb on Holy Saturday, thus fulfilling the Sabbath's rest.

Of course, Jewish Christians can commemorate the Sabbath. The Sabbath remains a thing: see this theologumenon.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/the-fourth-commandment/
But commemorating it is not an obligation anymore, for the reasons I've said above. Jews can do it, as part of tradition, acknowledging that this is not what saves us. And Christians honor it, by abstaining from not glorifying God, by not fasting, and on Holy Saturday.

Lincoln Moore
Lincoln Moore

I'm sure Christ doesn't mind if you worship him on Friday or Saturday or Sunday either way.
Exept, you know, he moved ceremonial part of third commandment on his day, Lord's day, Sunday. Go to mass.
Probably, yes.

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

Is it wrong to ask God for a sign?

Justin Young
Justin Young

Unless he alredy gave you one - yes.

Ryder Rodriguez
Ryder Rodriguez

Its been a while Zig Forums, I've missed you bros. I don't know if this has been posted yet or before, but I found a great link posted recently on /pdfs/ with a ton of material I think are very beneficial reads: ntslibrary.com/PDF Books/

Also, I was looking into the history of male circumcision and I found this article, I also don't know if its been posted before but its an enlightening read (I imagine other cutfags will find it most interesting) cirp.org/library/history/peron2/

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Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

I was looking into the history of male circumcision
Circumcision is also interesting as it is not to be taken literally. Instead of being explained in Isaiah the gospel explains it is circumcision of the heart that matters. Please don't get offended. I just find it interesting that judaism makes a huge deal about following scripture literally as rituals whereas much of it is symbolic and explained by God himself.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

Please don't get offended.
Why would I be? If you mean being circumcised as an infant, I wonder if it's had bad effects on me biologically, but I think I was blessed with a good childhood so I should be grateful overall. I welcome any knowledge you have to share with me friend.
the gospel explains it is circumcision of the heart that matters
Do you think its possible that in Biblical times, circumcision did indeed mean metaphorical circumcision of the heart, and then later Jews began the Milah procedure. And even later sometime after the time of Christ, as it says in the article, they took it even further and added the Periah and Metzitzeh procedure so that they could separate themselves further from gentiles?

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Connor Hill
Connor Hill

What to do if there isn't a church that uses my language close to me? Also should I pray in English if there aren't prayers in my native language?

Jonathan Baker
Jonathan Baker

You can just translate the prayers to your language if you want, I see no problem.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

Honor the Lord in the manner you believe to be best suiting to Him. Further, prayers are a conversation with God, not incantations; I would suggest studying English prayers and taking the concepts and applying them in your own language, if not translating them. The important part is meaning what you are praying, simply mouthing the words is useless beyond a mere recognition of Him.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

Do you think its possible that in Biblical times, circumcision did indeed mean metaphorical circumcision of the heart, and then later Jews began the Milah procedure
No, circumcision meant both metaphorical and physical circumcision. The laws prescribed in Leviticus for circumcision of one's newborn sons are clearly for a nip-the-tip procedure. However, originally it was only the very end of the foreskin.
Not that it matters now, we don't have to do that. And no, I don't think you were biologically changed. You're still a normal person Stop letting other people make you feel like less of a person for something you had no control over.

Nathan Scott
Nathan Scott

I guess I could translate, but I think that it would be awkward since my language doesn't have some christian terms. My English is fine so I will stick to that for now.

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

For what its worth, most English Christian terminology (especially within the Catholic and Orthodox Churches) is lifted from Latin and Greek. I'm no linguist, but perhaps you can synthesize those root words into your language.

Jose Gonzalez
Jose Gonzalez

How does one have a relationship with God? Like, I've been reading the Word, praying and going to church and while those things are obviously good, it doesnt feel enough or at least something about doing these things seems like theres more too it than that. Now that I'm saved, now what? What does it mean to have a relationship with God?

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

What's the Christian way to be happy? I can find some satisfaction in distractions but it never compares to how bad I feel during depression. Specifics pls, not opin ur hart.

Dominic Morales
Dominic Morales

Depends on how you pray.
Do you just recite whatever prayer the preist tells you to say or do you take the time to talk with God/do you call upon him in you daily life?

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

When I pray I start with thanking him for the day, then I ask him for forgiveness and to guide me to repentance. When I pray, I try to pray whatever I believe his will to be, try to center my prayers around him and what perhaps he might want. He's seemed distant lately though, I'm trying to figure out what I might have done wrong

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

Now that I'm saved
Please don't fall for that protestant heresy. Being saved isn't a one time thing. Until you are in heaven, you are not 'saved' my friend.

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Lincoln James
Lincoln James

newadvent.org/summa/2004.htm

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

People say that the most severely punished people on the Day of Resurrection would be the image-makers.

The commandment states clearly to not create an image of anything on earth, heaven or hell but Catholics changed it to You shall not make "idols" and everyone accepted it with no question since it gave them money and influence.

Drawfags are usually the most tortured people, "bad" things happen to them for no reason, while adulterers may get heir comeuppance with STDs, criminals get shiot or go to prisson, drawfags just suffer a series of unfortunate events given by no other than the LORD himself.

Now Zig Forums always shits on Comics and cartons but adores anime for some reason, I suppose that since you don't actually draw them yourselves is fine?

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

Depending on the translation used the word "saved" can also be "are being saved" indicating an ongoing action.

Angel White
Angel White

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Jackson Rodriguez
Jackson Rodriguez

Welp, it's THAT GUY again

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Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

Is it true that we are absolutely incapable of good and that all the good we appear to do is from God acting through us?

Is it God's will that I love and do good as a duty, in faith?

What if I feel no love or joy and do good mindlessly and heartlessly, like a chore or habit? Is its value thereby negated? What if I take pride in it, or do it to delight in the feeling that I am good person deserving of God's love? Is it better to do nothing than to attempt to do good in such ways?

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

Art is bad
This is what you get when you decide to interpret the bible on your own while and purposely go against the church simply because. Retard.

Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

Can anybody give me a concise explanation of what Q is. I've been reading through my first readings of the Gospels, and I've see it mentioned regularly in the side notes of my NAB translation. As far as I can tell its a collection of early Christian traditions and writings in regards to the life of Jesus that have sort of found their way into both Luke and Mathew's gospels, but I can't really tell.

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Henry Reed
Henry Reed

The theory rests on the assertion that there were two "original", unaltered gospels: Mark and Q, which were the basis for Luke and Matthew.

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Brayden James
Brayden James

People say that the most severely punished people on the Day of Resurrection would be the image-makers.

who? pastor jim?

The commandment states clearly to not create an image of anything on earth, heaven or hell but Catholics changed it to You shall not make "idols" and everyone accepted it with no question since it gave them money and influence.

not only Catholics, but whomever made the ark of the covenant, right?

Jack Peterson
Jack Peterson

Hate to be that guy, but wasn't the "Gospel Q" theory used by God-haters to try and discredit the Bible?

Carson Barnes
Carson Barnes

Anyone who would try and do that is an idiot; the gospel are not, nor claim to be, entirely original creations. Mark taught a gospel, which was adopted and added to by Matthew and Luke. Additionally, they appear to have added a gospel (or somesuch) from another source.

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

The Greek verb σωζομενοις is the present passive participle, which is an ongoing passive action. In English, an ongoing passive act can be expressed as either “are being + (past participle)” or “are + (past participle)”.

For example, the declaration "The eggs are stored in the fridge" is equivalent to the declaration "The eggs are being stored in the fridge." In both cases, the eggs are within the fridge in the current moment. You can replace the eggs and fridge and the verb with anything else, this is just an example.

It must be noted however, in specific the phrase "are being saved" is needlessly wordy since "are saved" denotes the same meaning. Furthermore, "are being saved" has an unintended connotation of an ongoing but incomplete process. This connotation is not found in the original.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Acts 2:47 (KJV)
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Anthony Gomez
Anthony Gomez

Q predicted this

Samuel Baker
Samuel Baker

Other translations apply this shift in English inconsistently. They don't do it according to any grammatical standard, but they just apply “are being” haphazardly just wherever they decided to.

To give a few examples, the NKJV changes the tense to “are being” in 1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Acts 2:47, and Hebrews 10:14, but does not do so in Luke 13:23 or Revelation 21:24.
The MEV changes the tense in 1 Cor. 1:18, Acts 2:47, and Luke 13:23, but the publishers elected not to do so in 2 Cor. 2:15 or Hebrews 10:14.
Meanwhile, the WEB only changes Acts 2:47 and Hebrews 10:14, and leaves all the others alone.

Most modern “critical text” versions tend to change all of them, but only some change Luke 13:23 or Hebrews 10:14. For instance, the NASB does change Luke 13:23 to “are being saved” but not Hebrews 10:14, while the ESV changes Hebrews 10:14 to “are being sanctified” but NOT Luke 13:23.

This shows that all modern translations are applying this grammatical change in English haphazardly, not according to any sort of rule or grammatical understanding; but the Authorized version uses English consistently as described, in 1 Corinthians 1:18 and in all the other places. “Are saved” and not “are being saved.” Every time. They are actually consistent in translation on this.

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

God-haters might have tried to use it to discredit the bible, but in doing so they misunderstand what Q is supposed to be. Just like how they try to use the gnostic (and post-Apostolic era) writings like the Gospels of Thomas or of Mary to discredit the four canonical ones, or use them to pretend that there was some grand conspiracy to suppress these "true" gospels.

Q is basically considered to be the pre-literal, oral testimony of Christ. Q is the word-of-mouth Gospel which was originally carried by the Apostles to the nations before they began to write down their words.
Also Matthew and Luke aren't "based" off of Mark and Q as though these are adaptations of an "orignal" to make it better or something like that. Remember that the synoptic Gospels were written in three different areas, to three different audiences.
To use a crude analogy, it's more like four journalists covering a story - each will present essentially the same story, but they will usually focus on different parts of it, or will include different details to it.

Landon Johnson
Landon Johnson

So which translation of the Bible should I get as a Catholic?

Parker Lopez
Parker Lopez

An interlinear

Austin Cruz
Austin Cruz

Douay-Rheims if you want a literal translation of the latin vulgate. Ignatius bible if you want something that's easier to read.

Jayden Phillips
Jayden Phillips

New user here, got few questions for you. I do not consider myself Christian, nor do I consider myself Hindu or Buddhist (even though I follow teachings of Buddha). After studying Islam, Hinduism and Christinaity for a short while I came to conclusion that each of this relligions strive to be as close to "the One" (speaking in neo-platonic term) or "The Absolute God". I admire Jesus' teachings and I think that New Testament is worth reading (although I consider Old Testament quite the opposite). Nevertheless, here are some questions I wanted to ask

1. Do you believe in Creation? Or do you consider evolution to be compatible with idea of Creator-God?

2. Do you think that all religions have a common core and strive to reach the One God, but under different name?

3. The Christian God is a God of mercy. Does that mean that if someone leads a virtous life, full of compassion, love, charity and happiness and pretty much acts according to Jesus' instructions, but prays to a different God or doesn't follow any religion at all, will he still go to Hell? (assuming there is one)

Lastly, I would like to quote one of the Muslim Sufis, Hazrat Inayat Khan
The Sufi sees the one truth in all forms. If anyone asks a Sufi to come and offer prayer in the Christian church, he is ready to do so. If some one would like to take him to the synagogue and ask him to pray as the Jews do, he would be quite willing; and among Muslims he will offer Namaz as they do. In the Hindu temple he sees the same God, the living God, in the place of the idol; and the temple of Buddha inspires him instead of blinding him with idolatry. Yet his true mosque will be his heart in which the Beloved lives, who is worshipped by both Muslim and Kufr alike.

Camden Torres
Camden Torres

My opinions:
1. Creation yes, although evolution seems plausible as well, only American Protestants deny evolution in every possible way. In the end i dont consider it to be important.
2. Not all religions. I wouldnt consider paganism, talmudism (=post-Christ "Judaism") and mohamedanism real religions.
I dont know much about the dharmic religions of the east. Of them all buddhism and daoism seem closest to Christianity (and therefore truth), which amounts to something.
3. In the end all humans will be judged by the Almighty. Those who believe the Lord and accepted the Gospel are forgiven all sins and allowed to enter heaven.
For all other humans, as described in the Book of Revelations, they will be judged according to their deeds. This does not completly root out the chance for those who have not recieved knowledge of Christ (but of anti-Christians obviously) per se. In the end it is the righteous judgment of the Lord that decides anything.

William Ross
William Ross

The Latin Vulgate.

Camden Cooper
Camden Cooper

The answers to your questions are going to vary from Christian to Christian, but here are my answers for what it's worth.

1. Do you believe in Creation? Or do you consider evolution to be compatible with idea of Creator-God?
I believe that the way that the old testament says creation happens is representative of how it actually did . I realize that the mainstream theory of evolution is just that, a theory. I also realize that I am not wise enough to know and that only God really knows how the world was created. Whether that be the "Creation story is an allegory for evolution" or "The world was literally created in 7 24-hour days". I do believe that the truth lies in the OT description and I do believe that God was the one that created it.
2. Do you think that all religions have a common core and strive to reach the One God, but under different name?
The Abrahamic religions yes, though the Jews betrayed Christ and broke the covenant and have fallen. Islam is a corruption of both religions and a very hateful religion that idolizes a man that had multiple wives and slept with a 9 year old. The Jizyah is a perfect example of how Islam is a more hateful ideology.
3. The Christian God is a God of mercy. Does that mean that if someone leads a virtous life, full of compassion, love, charity and happiness and pretty much acts according to Jesus' instructions, but prays to a different God or doesn't follow any religion at all, will he still go to Hell? (assuming there is one)
Personally, I think the Harrowing of Hell happened once and it might happen again after the end. I believe that the only ones who go to Hell for eternity are ones who hate God and reject Christ all together. God's judgement and punishment is perfect though, and it is not up to me to decide where others will go. I only worry myself over my own destiny and that of my wife and Children. I pray for those who have not found Christ yet and take every chance I can to tell people the good news.

Leo White
Leo White

Thanks for answers, I'd like to address few things here
I realize that the mainstream theory of evolution is just that, a theory.
Yet there are thousands upon thousands of evidence that support this theory.
Also, I'd like to quote the Origen Adamantius here, who's been called as "the greatest genius the early church ever produced"
<What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days, in which the evening and morning were named, were without sun, moon and stars?

Jews betrayed Christ and broke the covenant and have fallen.
This thing troubled me for a while. Jesus predicted his own death, and he knew that what was to come was inevatable. In such case you can't really speak of "free will" choice of Jews here, because they "ought" to betray Jesus, so that he could redeem all of humanity.
The Jizyah is a perfect example of how Islam is a more hateful ideology
<Historically, the jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims' submission to the Muslim state and its laws.

After paying jizyah tax non-muslims could practice their religion to some extent and could rely on state's protection to guard this privilige. Is this that bad, or did you intend to make some other point?

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

1. Do you believe in Creation? Or do you consider evolution to be compatible with idea of Creator-God?
Yes. We believe in the Creator God because this is what Divine Revelation tells us. It is therefore compatible.

2. Do you think that all religions have a common core and strive to reach the One God, but under different name?
Sort of. I think it endangers souls to pretend that a Catholic, a Hindu and a Sufi have the exact same chance of redemption, based on this flimsy proposition, though.
We believe that since Man has a common origin, then Faith likewise has a common origin, but it is distorted beyond recognition in many cases, and which demons have taken advantage of to deceive and lead astray countless souls. That said, there are countless parallels and hints in other cultures about the Revelation of the Christ and His Sacrifice and other aspects of the faith (e.g. Deucalion, Gilgamesh, Prometheus, Indo-European trinitarian deities, etc.)

3. The Christian God is a God of mercy. Does that mean that if someone leads a virtous life, full of compassion, love, charity and happiness and pretty much acts according to Jesus' instructions, but prays to a different God or doesn't follow any religion at all, will he still go to Hell? (assuming there is one)
He is the God of Mercy, but also of Justice. The only way the Church sees this as possible would be if someone lived in invincible ignorance of the Gospel (i.e. they were born in a time or place removed so removed from the Gospel that only a visitation from the Lord Himself would have been able to preach to them). If a "rigtheous" person voluntarily rejects the Gospel then all bets are off, because whatever we might think, the Lord has the last word on it, and this also applies to the former case, too. We trust in and pray to that Mercy.
And yes, there is a Hell. If there is no Hell then Christ's sacrifice was in vain, He was a liar, and whatever a "righteous" person does in life is irrelevant.

The Sufi sees the one truth in all forms. If anyone asks a Sufi to come and offer prayer in the Christian church, he is ready to do so. If some one would like to take him to the synagogue and ask him to pray as the Jews do, he would be quite willing; and among Muslims he will offer Namaz as they do. In the Hindu temple he sees the same God, the living God, in the place of the idol; and the temple of Buddha inspires him instead of blinding him with idolatry. Yet his true mosque will be his heart in which the Beloved lives, who is worshipped by both Muslim and Kufr alike.
This just sounds like unprincipled, ecumenist rubbish, though. This isn't profound, it's what your average "spiritual but not religious" modernist believes.

Jaxson Thomas
Jaxson Thomas

If Jesus is the "Son of God" how come we don't call the Father the "Father of God"?

William Foster
William Foster

because we're not jehovah's witnesses

Matthew Green
Matthew Green

The monarchy of the Father. He is the sole cause within the Trinity, so that the divine essence proceeds from Him and the three persons' names are given in relation to Him. The Father is the Father because he is unoriginate. The Son is the Son of God. The Spirit is the Spirit of God.

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

Is passion, or being passionate, a sin? For the sake of this question, assume the cause(s) that one is passionate about are not sinful themselves, as clearly it would be a sin to be passionate about sex or violence.

Cooper Baker
Cooper Baker

Passions are not sins, they are natural. Having your passions above your will and intellect leads to sin.

Michael Gonzalez
Michael Gonzalez

Not trying to sound like an angsty teen, but how does one apply Romans 13 with Today's Governments? I understand following the Law and respecting authority and everything. It just seems that today's Governments and politicians are so devoid of goodness that it makes it hard to stick to Romans 13:2.
People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished.
It's hard to escape a feeling of defiance to the Government when it feels like their intentions are evil. How to escape this feel?

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Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor

God commands the Ark be made
God commands the gigantic Cherubim statues in the temple be made
God commands sculptures and images of trees and fruits and more cherubim all over the temple
<NO DON'T DO THAT REEE

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Keep in mind the context of early Christianity within Rome. 11 out of the 12 Apostles were martyred by pagan heathens. My reading of that passage is a law-abiding society is a holy society, even if the laws are imperfect, or indeed oppressive. That's not to say you shouldn't attempt to change said government to be better, only that you shouldn't try and overthrow it or otherwise not conform to the law.

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

When Authority declares law that is in accordance with Divine Law you ought to obey it by virtue of Faith and Obedience.
When Authority declares law that is not against Divine Law you ought to obey it by virtue of Obedience.
When Authority declares law that is in against Divine Law you ought to resist it by virtue of Faith. But you are not to rebel altoughether for there are other, just and not injust laws that you should obey. More than that, you are practiclly never to rebel against tyrany - such overthrowment is job of lesser authorites.

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

Are there any good sources that address the interaction between Divine and Secular law?

Lincoln Phillips
Lincoln Phillips

I was speaking to a friend of mine over my decision to convert to Catholicism, and they asked me if I believed that Jesus Christ was literally present in the Eucharist. I told her of course yes, but I couldn't properly defend my belief other than saying that it was a miracle. Can anyone explain to me the concept of Transubstantiation and how it relates to Communion?

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

While they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
Matthew 26:26
While they were eating, he took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.”
Mark 14:22

Mason Bennett
Mason Bennett

Can any Orthodox user explain what prelest is?
I understand the general concept, that it's spiritual delusion, but what are hallmark symptoms? How is it gained?
What should a proper Christian avoid doing to prevent it?

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

Summa theologiae
All things have substance i.e. what things really are, and accidents i.e. how things are. For exemple substantially, man is union of body and soul. But accidents of man such as his skin color, size of foot, taste of sweat or whatever does not make man, man.
Jesus Christ said that bread is his Body. But it looks, tastes, smells etc. like bread. But it's his flesh. Therefore, only possible way to understand it that substantially bread is not longer bread but Body of Chirst. (cf. ST. III Q75)
Now, how this relates to communion per se is that since there is one Christ, there is only one Eucharist (i.e. each Eucharist, be it the first one, the one we had yesterday, the one that will be the last, is substantially one and the same), one bread. And since we are all nurished by one Body, we become one Body, thus we are in fellowship, Communion. (cf. 1 Cor 10:17)

Hunter Cruz
Hunter Cruz

Are there any works by the Church Fathers that talk in detail about salvation & damnation and how each is achieved? I would really love to learn more about this but don't know where

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Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

Didache for starters.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

Not trying to sound like an angsty teen, but how does one apply Romans 13 with Today's Governments?
It applies to every governmental form that you can think of. It's the Gospel, is eternal. The only exception would be what St Paul himself states, and it's if the authorities demand you do something which directly opposes your faith, whether that is offering incense to Caesar, or voting for pro-choice candidtates.

It's hard to escape a feeling of defiance to the Government when it feels like their intentions are evil. How to escape this feel?
Something I read once which I like to bear in mind is that the Apostles paid taxes to Rome. What they did not expect, however, was that their taxes would be used to help fund the Crucifixion. Later Christians also paid taxes, and many this time knew full well that their taxes would contribute to funding public games which often resulted in their brethren being murdered for the pleasure of pagans, but they still did it. The point was they weren't paying with the express purpose of wanting their friends to die, but because it was requested of them by the Apostles, since even this is submitting oneself to the Divine Will.
Remember, even evil authority can be used for good. How much good came out of the oceans of blood which were spilled by wicked pagan governments?
"The blood of the Martyrs is the seed of the Church."

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

Is it wrong or even Heresy to call Jesus Jesus or any of the other more Jewish translations of his name? I seriously cannot find a decent answer on Google. I assume that since we aren't like Muslims that shit a brick at a depiction of Mohammed that it isn't particularly offensive, but I'm curious if anyone has an actual answer.

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Gavin Thompson
Gavin Thompson

Christianity isn't a name cult like some Near Eastern mysticisms.

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

That's what I figured, all I found were a couple of handmade websites that said that calling Jesus "Jesus" was a satanic jewish plot or something.

Thomas Morris
Thomas Morris

There's nothing inherintly wrong with it. It is best to call him whatever your culture group/church calls him for thr sake of simplicity and unity though.

Oliver Sullivan
Oliver Sullivan

The question you should ask is whether you believe Philippians 2:9-11, which was written in Greek, and the rest of the NT which always attributes his name the same. Lord Jesus Christ. So to change that would basically cast aspersion on the Greek New Testament as being the source of our name for Him.

And yes, there is a difference between the Greek form of a name and the Hebrew form, they aren't considered the same. Consider how the KJV uses the name "Jeremy" in Matthew 2:17 and 27:9, which is a direct transliteration of Jeremiah into Greek, but uses "Jeremias" when quoting what the Greek-speakers said in Matthew 16:14. Because Esaias, Jeremias, Jesus are all names in Greek that are different from a direct transliterated Hebrew. Similar to how in John 1:38 someone says Rabbi in the Hebrew form that has to be translated, but in John 20:16, someone says Rabboni which is an equivalent Greek word.

Adrian Gomez
Adrian Gomez

Is your faith a true faith, or is it a hobby?

Angel Collins
Angel Collins

The Father is the Father because he is unoriginate.
So The Father originates The Son and The Spirit? He precedes them?

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

salvation
justification
sanctification
glorification
regeneration
reconciliation
consecration
As a new Catholic, i'm struggling with all these "tions". Can anybody provide help?

redemption

Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

Both, the Bible is not just a guide for salvation. It's a guide to living a happy and fulfilling life. I try to keep God in mind with everything I do because of that. That said, learning about Chrisitian theology and history is really interesting and makes a good hobby as well.

John Powell
John Powell

How can an infinite god be contained within a finite body?
How can God's infinite wisdom be contained within one book?

Bentley Sanders
Bentley Sanders

Can you lie in order to avoid unchristian obligations?

Nolan White
Nolan White

It's a mystery created by Roman philosophers that you must never question. Doing so would be extremely heretical.

Its never good to lie friend

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

What if there's an unchristian law and your only way to avoid it is by lying?

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

render unto Caesar

If there is a law you don't agree with, get it changed or move out of the country.

Juan Stewart
Juan Stewart

t's a mystery created by Roman philosophers that you must never question. Doing so would be extremely heretical.

the hypostatic union took centuries of philosophical development and direct guidance of the Holy Spirit

didn't steve just throw out a modalist the other day? why are you supporting modalism?

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

salvation
going to Heaven
glorification
glorify - to make glorious by bestowing honor, praise, or admiration
reconciliation
moving from the state of sin to the state of grace, can also mean the sacrament of reconciliation which is another name for Confession (talking to a priest about your sins)

Leo Davis
Leo Davis

salvation
Being in the state of grace.
justification
Passing from the state of sin to the state of grace via remission of sins and infusion of righteousness.
Initially accomplished by Baptism and re-accomplished by Confession.
sanctification
Process of becoming holy, by means of sanctifying grace. Justification after initial justification.
glorification
Soul being subject of beatific vision (seeing God) in Heaven is glorified by it.
Bodies of saints will be united with souls and glorified at Last Judgment
regeneration
A new birth i.e. initial justification by baptism.
reconciliation
Coming into fellowship and friendship with God that was lost in Adam's Fall or in individual mortal sin after regeneration. Accomplished by Baptism and Confession.
consecration
Setting both persons and objects. apart for the service of God.
redemption
Christ's sufficient and a superabundant atonement for the sin and the debt of the human race was as a price (or ransom) at the cost of which we were freed from both bondage of sin and slavery of Satan, and debt of punishment due to sin.
How can an infinite god be contained within a finite body?
Since the Divine Person is infinite, no addition can be made to it: Hence Cyril says [Council of Ephesus, Part I, ch. 26]: "We do not conceive the mode of conjunction to be according to addition"; just as in the union of man with God, nothing is added to God by the grace of adoption, but what is Divine is united to man; hence, not God but man is perfected.
How can God's infinite wisdom be contained within one book?
God's wisdom incarnate was Christ. God's created wisdom, his revelation to us finds its source and end in Christ but it's not Christ. All that God wanted to reveal us, all that was neccessary to salvation, God gave in Deposit of Faith which closed when last of apostles died. But God to this day give Private revelations. At Last Judgment all will be revealed and all will understand it according to thier dispostitions.
No. Just say "No, I can't do it, it's against God's Law" in such case.

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

I've accepted whites are the real Israelites, but does this change how I practice my religion at all as a white man?

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Daniel Ward
Daniel Ward

Doesn't that mean we're the race that killed Jesus Christ

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

No, that was the jews, which is a mistranslation of Judeans, and according to Maccabees Judea was inhabited by Edomites during the time of Christ.

Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

No. Just say "No, I can't do it, it's against God's Law" in such case.
I guess I'm going to prison then

Jordan Rogers
Jordan Rogers

How do I tell if someone possesses the holy spirit?

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

Possibly, through their actions. But only God can read the hearts of men.

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

What do you mean, user?
What are you avoiding?

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

Are Anabaptists and Church of Christ actually Protestant, or do they classify as independent bodies? It seems they're going for faith + works and not adhering to the Solas.

P.S.: The Church of Christ also seems like some sort of Mormon Church but without the Mormonism. Great community, but misguided. Not vocal in their opinions about faggots, for example, and self-censored by the slightest watching of media with any swearing.

I want to clarify that I'm still misguided when it comes to denominations and I'm between both of these or Orthodoxy.

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

Thoughts on the Anabaptists? Especially the Church of the Brethren and the Brethren Church (two different 'denominations')

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

conscription

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

Conscription is not Christian
here we go again(TM)

Eli Flores
Eli Flores

Thoughts on the Anabaptists? Especially the Church of the Brethren and the Brethren Church (two different 'denominations')
Just another offshoot of the church. I didn't include them here but they would be one of the "attempts at political organization" after 1523.

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David James
David James

If omnipresence is a quality of Jesus (since Jesus is God and God is omnipresent), how could Jesus be in all places and all times when he's in one body in 1st Century Palestine?

Also, why send the Holy Spirit if Jesus is Omnipresent?

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

Mystery of the Trinity.

Samuel Bell
Samuel Bell

Can someone explain to me why jews hate Jesus?
Hardmode: from the context of modern secular jews who don't believe in Phariseeic teachings or even their own jewish lineage

Ethan Wood
Ethan Wood

So basically its
<just dont question what our Roman philosophers made up, if you do, you are going to hell

Nathan Richardson
Nathan Richardson

What are some things that I can do that will help me with my weak faith?

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Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

Can someone explain to me why jews hate Jesus?
The same reason why those who hate Jesus chose to become jewish.

Hardmode: from the context of modern secular jews who don't believe in Phariseeic teachings or even their own jewish lineage
What is called "secular" IS the religion of jewish people. Teaching of equality and humanism (with jewish people at the top) is secularism, which is the same values as so-called Judaism. However, "they" want you to think Judaism is related to the Old Testament. But that is also not true either, it has nothing to do with the Old Testament. Their "lineage" is unrelated to the Israel and Judeans of the actual Bible.

"Jewish people" started in Babylon with the writers of the Talmud, which was written after Christ. Yiddish speakers have nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. They don't want you to realize this, so you have likely never even heard of the Talmud. Instead they serve a false god, and they glorify themselves, they want others to worship them also.

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Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

Stop watching anime and pray more

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

WOAH, thank you, user. It's nice seeing someone so coherent and redpilled.

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

Not exactly what I was talking about, but a good answer nonetheless

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

Bloody hell, finding actual research papers is a mess. You see a citation site there and it doesn't have the actual paper.
Where can I find the rest of 207.154.66.80/pdfs/ssi07part8.pdf ? Just this part isn't very convincing even though its the meat of it.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

Think about the most unchristian country in the world

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

aryans- slavs, swedes and jews. from the tribe of shem

Gabriel Smith
Gabriel Smith

Why are we getting sex toy ads again? I thought sfw boards were excluded.

Jonathan Martinez
Jonathan Martinez

Sauce?

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

I have ad block on this site because it's a bunch of porn and sex toy ads

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

I feel like I'm in a spiritual slump. When I was 16-18, I was so excited to learn more about God and theology, and had an intense desire to go to seminary. I felt like I had a deeply personal relationship with Christ and looked forward to reading God's Word and praying.

Between struggling with lust, being consumed with my failing studies (I think I have some sort of ADD - I find it nearly impossible to focus for more than five minutes on one class), and a botched relationship with a sweet Christian girl (because I was insecure), I feel nearly completely dead inside.

I'm realizing I'm spending too much time browsing 4/k/ and /p/, in particular, so I bought a gym membership and am trying to get into a habit of lifting weights. I also began memorizing 1 Peter (I'm on 1:12 but plan to have it all by September), and am enrolled in a few college classes to finish my A.A. this summer.

Do any Christanons have advice or been in a similar place?

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Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

Be careful what you feed your mind as much as you do with your body. There are many poisonous berries, some even sweet. The difference is that mental poison leaves you alive so you can spread it to your peers and consume increasingly bigger amounts of poison.
As a rule of thumb, stop consuming media that is not explicitly Christian.

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

I do too on my computer. Unfortunately, my phone adblocker doesn't work on this site.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

Is it a sin to exercise or work out/train on Sundays?

Logan Rodriguez
Logan Rodriguez

I have a weird question. If a child filled with the Holy Spirit were left and raised in an absolutely Satanic society would he become as evil as his peers or would his holiness lead him to discover God on his own?

Anthony Price
Anthony Price

No, you'll be fine.

Blake Perez
Blake Perez

Free will

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

Saints followed their Bishops into error
Reference/source please? Anyone?

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

Is it anti-Christian to prioritize taking Christian refugees/migrants over pagan ones?

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

This is weird. I'm not a practicing, believing christian really, or a very lukewarm one at best. However, lately I've been reading the bible and visiting this board out of interest. I live quite sinful life. Few weeks ago I met this girl from Tinder, went to a couple of dates. Things went well, so we headed back to her place to have sex. However, I just couldn't get it up. Same thing happened the next time, and the time after that. I've never ever had troubles with that before lol. Back home I opened the bible randomly, and it was on a section about sexual morals, on how some country was really immoral, just sleeping around pretty much.

Now, my question is: is God trying to make me reconsider my sexual behavior, or is this just a coincidence? If the first is true, can you tell me how do I go on from here. I need to repent, right? How?

Elijah Gomez
Elijah Gomez

Id say it was a sign. Repent twords God friend

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Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

Need a hand here, how does one tell the difference between the works of the Spirit and demons? I may be new but I really don't want to mess this up. So how do I see the difference from the Spirit that feels good and other things that may also feel good?

I mean someone can smoke crack and say it feels good. How do I tell?

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Gavin James
Gavin James

If it's immoral - it's from devil.
If it's againt the Church - it's from devil.
If it leads you away from holiness - it's from devil.

Joshua Myers
Joshua Myers

I forgot which passage, but cant evil tempt you along something/deeds good to set you up in a situation that might encourage an evil?

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

See what the works are trying to say.
If they profess that Jesus Christ is Lord, that He is the Son of God, that He died and rose from the dead, and other true articles of faith, the work is most likely of God.
However, if it immoral, if it denies the faith, or if it tempts you to sin, it is of the demons.
Remember to test all spirits, user, for even the demons can manipulate matter and inhabit poor souls who don't know better.
Also remember that the name of the Lord Jesus Christ is powerful, welcome Him to you and never be afraid to invoke His name when confronted by potential evil.

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

It's time to repent, user.
Spend some time here, delete your Tinder (and other apps like it), read up more on Scripture, pray to God for mercy, and start feeling out churches in your area.
Often times the faith is a struggle. We can't give up prayer or practice simply because it doesn't deliver on emotions as much as it used to.
It's walking through the desert, user. You don't just stop and let the heat bear down on you, you keep going on until you find that oasis again.
Persevere to the best of your ability, pray that God grants you strength and mercy, and always keep walking to the oasis, user.

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

Acts of will (deeds, words, thoughts) have three parts: intentions, acts themselves and circumstances.
When intention is good, act is good but circumstances make the act evil it's better to not act.
When intention is good, and circumstances are good, but act is evil, it will always be moraly evil, but it may not be punishable.
With evil intentions even moraly good acts with good circumstances are not good.
Spirt would never give you evil intention. Spirt would never choose leser good. And in there is very, very few cases that are "moraly evil, not punishable" such as Samsons or Razis' sucicides. For the most time it's both evil and punishable.

Brayden Martin
Brayden Martin

So, I've got an interesting situation guys. My fiance's mother recently inherited a vast sum of money from her father. Dude was apparently and oil and land baron out in west texas. Since me and her daughter are to be wed this coming october, she's offered to get us a parcel of land and a house, on the only condition that she also have a house somewhere on the land. We'd start up a little ranch, and she'd pay be 40k a year for it.

Only issue with it could be how she's never handled that level of money before, so I could see her being a spend thrift and not being able to pay a mortgage on the land due to other expenses she incurs. Also, it feels a bit odd as a soon to be married man, to not be the one providing a household for me and my wife.

Any advice y'all?

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

Trying to learn what Paul was talking about
Check en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon
Half of the page are about works form communists
Incredible, but also Inedible.
Did the Church publish anything about 2 Thessalonians 2:7, or specifically, the thing holding the beast back?

Only issue with it could be how she's never handled that level of money before, so I could see her being a spend thrift
Have you tried finding a way of gently telling her that? Not really related to your problem, but I had a bad feeling about her future for some reason.

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

Given her assets are well over a million by now, I know it's extremely dangerous for someone not used to it to handle that level of wealth. Me and my fiance' have told her our concerns about it, and how to not just go and blow it on everything.

Kevin Phillips
Kevin Phillips

I would say no, but it's hard to really justify using the Bible or the Church Fathers either.
Unless there is a real reason to prioritize Christian refugees (ie pagans wouldn't be as well welcomed due to cultural and religious differences and other countries are as willing to take them in anyway) I don't see how one would advocate for such a thing from a Christian perspective at least.

I think you're just feeling guilty psychologically.
Read the Bible more and go to church.

Caleb Mitchell
Caleb Mitchell

ecatholic2000.com/haydock/ntcomment204.shtml

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

tfw able to handle money more sercurely than a jew in the FedR
only because you are always just above poverty line
see this post

Do I have to go to confession for feeling envy towards this guy or is it "wishing harm" thats the problem (which I do not)?

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

Let's see if those pissy catholic mods have lifted my ban yet

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

Neat. Let's see if calling them pissy will get me a new one

William Ross
William Ross

Why does the KJV of Corinthians 1 1:18 translate σωζομενοις as 'saved' when it should be 'saving' or 'being saved'?

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

why doesn't the word of God agree with me

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

Where did I say that it disagreed with me?

Logan Ward
Logan Ward

Right here

Xavier Powell
Xavier Powell

Because sola fide

Carter Long
Carter Long

No it says
Why does the KJV of Corinthians 1 1:18 translate σωζομενοις as 'saved' when it should be 'saving' or 'being saved'?
inb4 but KJV IS the word of God

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

Well, if you're going to inb4 the answer, you can go screw yourself

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

gets banned
ban gets lifted
24 hours later has maganged to come off as an asshole

Are you sure its the mods that are pissy here?

Dylan White
Dylan White

The Greek verb σωζομενοις is the present passive participle, which is an ongoing passive action. In English, an ongoing passive act can be expressed as either “are being + (past participle)” or “are + (past participle)”.

For example, the declaration "The eggs are stored in the fridge" is equivalent to the declaration "The eggs are being stored in the fridge." In both cases, the eggs are within the fridge in the current moment. You can replace the eggs and fridge and the verb with anything else, this is just an example.

It must be noted however, in specific the phrase "are being saved" is needlessly wordy since "are saved" denotes the same meaning. Furthermore, "are being saved" has an unintended connotation of an ongoing but incomplete process. This connotation is not found in the original.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Acts 2:47 (KJV)
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Other translations apply this shift in English inconsistently. They don't do it according to any grammatical standard, but they just apply “are being” haphazardly just wherever they decided to.

To give a few examples, the NKJV changes the tense to “are being” in 1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Acts 2:47, and Hebrews 10:14, but does not do so in Luke 13:23 or Revelation 21:24.
The MEV changes the tense in 1 Cor. 1:18, Acts 2:47, and Luke 13:23, but the publishers elected not to do so in 2 Cor. 2:15 or Hebrews 10:14.
Meanwhile, the WEB only changes Acts 2:47 and Hebrews 10:14, and leaves all the others alone.

Most modern “critical text” versions tend to change all of them, but only some change Luke 13:23 or Hebrews 10:14. For instance, the NASB does change Luke 13:23 to “are being saved” but not Hebrews 10:14, while the ESV changes Hebrews 10:14 to “are being sanctified” but NOT Luke 13:23.

This shows that all modern translations are applying this grammatical change in English haphazardly, not according to any sort of rule or grammatical understanding; but the Authorized version uses English consistently as described, in 1 Corinthians 1:18 and in all the other places. “Are saved” and not “are being saved.” Every time. They are actually consistent in translation on this.

Tyler Price
Tyler Price

To Orthodox Christians, do I need to confess every sin I committed before I was baptized?

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

No. Baptism is for forgiveness of sins.
You do need confess every mortal sin after that.

Joseph Cooper
Joseph Cooper

Thank you. I hadn't thought of it like that.

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

Some priests will still recommend you do a life confession before baptism. It's not necessary, but it can be very helpful.

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

I've heard that on earth we only have access to demons. If true why is this?

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

What do you mean by "access"? Where did you hear this?

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

Why did asmodeus killed all the husbands of sarah in book of tobit?
inb4 apocrypha
pr*testant opinions not welcome

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

If you mean by communication, no, thats heresy
If you mean by binding them or some occult garbage like that, no, thats extra heresy

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

He was demon of lust and husbands of Sarah were full of it so they were under dominion of Asmodeus so he took them to hell.

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

What is the best version of the bible for me to study. Recently I've plowed through sun-tsu's art of war which gave me the idea to dig through the bible to harvest and distill the advices it contains.

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

KJV.

Carter Stewart
Carter Stewart

what's good about this one vs others?

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

It is the received word of God and not altered later. But beyond this, modern translations take out large numbers of words on the basis of a manuscript they only published in 1862 and no one had ever seen before, but according to Scripture itself, the word of God will never be lost, creating a contradiction.

This is just one reason why the Authorized version (aka KJV) should be referenced, and the critical text shouldn't be used as it is a later corruption; it removed entire verses like Matthew 18:11 just to give an example. They are also factually inaccurate in places such as Mark 1:2, and in many cases the actual changes made are highly suspect as well, as it consistently affect certain doctrine. If you're interested I can show some examples of that as well.

Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV)
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 59:21
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Peter 1:23-25
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

It has the most poetic language. Aside from that, I'd go with RSV or ESV for something with plainer language.

Joshua Bell
Joshua Bell

my main concerns are trueness of translation from the original documentation and ease of understanding.

Eli Reyes
Eli Reyes

Yeah I hear you. Some people will claim that the originals weren't found until Westcott & Hort published their revised New Testament in 1881. Others will claim that the originals were lost and we only have a Greek translation now. But according to the word of God, the very words that God placed in Isaiah's mouth have been preserved and never departed in any generation. Therefore, there is only one consistent position, and pretending that the scriptures that I quoted earlier are false, is not really a valid option.

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

1 Timothy 3:16
KJV: God was manifest in the flesh
others: he was manifest in the flesh/who was manifest in the flesh

1 John 4:3
KJV: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
others: and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

1 Corinthians 16:22
KJV: If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema
others: If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be accursed.

John 4:42
KJV: and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
others: and know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.

Jace James
Jace James

But according to the word of God, the very words that God placed in Isaiah's mouth have been preserved and never departed in any generation.
This doesn't mean every translation you get your hands on such as the Satanic NIV is going to be accurate. Just because the true scriptures exist doesn't mean they will be the easiest to access.

Joseph Bell
Joseph Bell

This doesn't mean every translation you get your hands on such as the Satanic NIV is going to be accurate.
The NIV is based on a critical "eclectic" source text, a critical text which does not predate 1881 of Westcott and Hort. Before 1881, nobody in the entire world had or used the NIV/ESV/NASB readings, e.g. removing the words "for them that trust in riches" from Mark 10:24 or removing the words "through his blood" from Colossians 1:14. So you're right.

Christian Hill
Christian Hill

Is it acceptable to pray for a martyr's death, or is this prelest?

Lincoln Cooper
Lincoln Cooper

I just got one of these, really nice book and good for when I travel for work with restricted space. Just wondering about the symbolism for the cross on the cover. I assume the left is Lion of Judah and the bottom Dove for the Holy Spirit. I don't know what is meant to be on top and what does the cow/ox mean on the right?

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Isaiah Price
Isaiah Price

is alex jones christian and reliable for news?

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Josiah Ortiz
Josiah Ortiz

"As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man in front; the four had the face of a lion on the right side, the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and the four had the face of an eagle at the back."
It's the image of God that Ezekiel saw.

Adrian Long
Adrian Long

So how are things ACTUALLY going in China,
I hear we have a lot of brothers and sisters there but i have doubts as to how legitimate their faith is, and i have concerns of heresy and the like. Maybe i'm just being a shit christian but i question if the growing numbers there actually mean anything or if its just going to be another Lutheran mess.

Liam Baker
Liam Baker

It is the received word of God and not altered later.
And now prove it. Since it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God.
No. James, John, Paul, Ignatius and probably a lot more did. But be careful what you wish for.
It's four evangelists from Revelation. Ox is Luke, Lion is Mark, Eagle is John and Man is Matthew.
No. Fun though.
It's a mess but somewhat stable and orthodox.

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

image of God
No, that was one of the two types of angels he saw. Re-read Ezekiel 1.

It's four evangelists from Revelation. Ox is Luke, Lion is Mark, Eagle is John and Man is Matthew.
Really.

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

He is Baptist

Sebastian Torres
Sebastian Torres

1 Timothy 3:16
Geneva Bible says the same as KJV.
1 John 4:3
Geneva Bible says the same as KJV.
1 Corinthians 16:22
Geneva Bible, Douay-Rheims, and Wycliffe Bible say the same as KJV.
John 4:42
Geneva Bible says the same as KJV.

Landon Williams
Landon Williams

How am i supposed to pray?

I usually start with "Dear Lord God,…" but i feel like this is too lazy. Should i put more thought into my prayers, be more genuine, moe poetic?

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

I'd recommend starting with small, set prayers (i.e., the Jesus Prayer, the Glory Be, the Lord's Prayer, etc.).
Free prayer is fine, but you shouldn't babble on endlessly this applies to set prayers, too
You need to put yourself in the right mindset: humble yourself before God, repent of your sins, give thanks to Him, and ask Him while always submitting to His will.
You should always seek to be more genuine in your prayer, as well as putting more thought into it. Poetics can be ignored unless that's how you might speak in general.

Cameron Young
Cameron Young

arguing with an agnostic/atheist online
get frustrated and harshly tell him I believe he is actively trying not to believe in God and is just dishonestly putting up obstacles to belief
he admits that he wants to be a Christian but just doesn't get a lot of things in the faith
says he hates the world and wants to die to go somewhere better
I ask his forgiveness for the misunderstanding and pray for him
he doesn't respond
now I'm worried that he will do something drastic and at least part of the blame could lay at my feet

Any advice on how to deal with these thoughts?
I know that suicide is a grave sin, but I still can't help think that if he were to do anything, I would have unintentionally contributed to it. He didn't even mention wanting to commit suicide either, but I am jumping to this conclusion.

Logan Rodriguez
Logan Rodriguez

Since it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God.
So you admit that you have no standard!!

Noah Perry
Noah Perry

You are not responsible for the actions of others. Just saying.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

So say if you are downing beers and saying how much fun your having to a known alcoholic, you claim that you are not responsible for his sudden unexpected "relapse"?

Oliver Peterson
Oliver Peterson

You know, the concept of sins as "disorders" as taught by the Church Fathers (St. Augustine, in particular) is very interesting to me. Lust is the disorder of the rightful urge to procreate within marriage; but, then what is the urge of suicide?
And what is the "ordered" path of suicide?

Perhaps, a transcendental urge to be with God?

…just an aside, has nothing to do with the situation. perhaps, you can explain it to him using this thought if you encounter him again.
much like lust, it is a grave disorder and should be put to order.

Lincoln Wood
Lincoln Wood

Well you didn't condone or brag about drinking did you? In this case you outright told them (if rudely) that they are a drunk, so its on them what they do with this information and how they handle the news, be it downing 5 more bottles of rum, or deciding to go sober.

You are not responsible for their choice or action after you have leveled the truth against them, what you are responsible for is having told the truth, and if they take it poorly that's on them.

Or at least that's how i reason it, correct me if i'm wrong.

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

The ordered path is the desire to experience goodness and a reduction/eradication of suffering, suicide is the disorder of thinking that life itself is shit and therefore the only goodness is death. It is a confusion of good and evil, a smokescreen over the mind.

Its inherently selfish, i would argue its a mix of pride, gluttony, lust, wrath, and maybe other deadly sins; a weak-willed act that is paraded in our Godless society as an act of bravery and being "an hero".

Liam Thomas
Liam Thomas

Are people who call for the day of rope justified? Is bloodlust ever justified?

James Collins
James Collins

I have standard. Does not change a fact that you did not prove that KJV should be one. Which in itself is utmost ironic since it's authors clearly stated that it should not be one
No. Vengeance is Lord's and rightful vindication is carried by rightful authority in accordance to Divine Law.

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

The way I see it is this: You have a group of freinds one of which is an alcoholic but has been sober for 6+ months. Everyone is aware of this. Maybe as a joke or a lapse in ethics you laud drinking and your freinds do so too.

By doing this, you are actively setting up a situation that encourages the act of sinning by the alch. It could have been a normal fun night where everything goes smoothly eg: 1-2 for the boys while keeping the alch safe from slipping up (as real freinds do). Instead by setting up a situation for a freind to fail, your chocies have engineered a future sin.

You say you are not responsible for other peoples actions, but if their actions are a symptom/consequence from your direct choice to ignore the better option then you are indeed to be held accountable.

Depressed man asks you if they should kill themselves, you reply "yes". Can you really claim you are blameless for his actions?

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Levi Butler
Levi Butler

Maybe as a joke or a lapse in ethics you laud drinking and your freinds do so too.
At this exact point your discourse has disconnected form the situation at hand.
Re-read the post you're replying to. Wait a minute.

Depressed man asks you if they should kill themselves, you reply "yes"
What.

Thomas Myers
Thomas Myers

But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'— they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.

The son proceeded from the father before all time. In writings its often compared to how the sun is the source of light, but as soon as the sun existed the light proceeded from it

Austin Powell
Austin Powell

I have standard.
No, no you don't.

You just told me that you think it's equally likely to be right or wrong. You don't know what the Bible says in those places, as you already said you aren't sure. You spoke in probabilities. Because you don't even claim to know what the word of God says. You just admitted it. So since you don't know what the Bible says, and you can't even tell me, I don't even need to go any further on this discussion; stop resisting. Matthew 24:35 says His word shall not pass away. That's all you need to hear. Because you don't believe it.

And whatever vile filth you try to substitute for the eternal word of God (the Holy Bible) is no standard at all. So you don't have a standard. Not unless you pick up the word of God.

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

No, no you don't.
Yes I have. It's called Vulgate.
You just told me that you think it's equally likely to be right or wrong.
No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
You don't know what the Bible says in those places, as you already said you aren't sure.
No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
Because you don't even claim to know what the word of God says.
No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
So since you don't know what the Bible says, and you can't even tell me, I don't even need to go any further on this discussion
No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
Matthew 24:35 says His word shall not pass away. That's all you need to hear. Because you don't believe it.
And now prove that KJV is the word of God. "Since it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
And whatever vile filth you try to substitute for the eternal word of God (the Holy Bible) is no standard at all. So you don't have a standard. Not unless you pick up the word of God.
And now prove that KJV is the word of God. "Since it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."

Hunter Phillips
Hunter Phillips

Thoughts and Prayers

People are now using the term Thoughts and Prayers in a derogatory manner in a way of saying "But you're not doing anything just sitting around"
How can we weaponize this to turn their hypocrisy upside down?
Even if we do, who would repent?

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Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

And now prove that KJV is the word of God.
Coming from you, it's no different than a JW cultist, or an atheist demanding proof that God wrote the Bible and not the Mormon, JW translation, or Koran. There is no difference at this point, because you don't believe in preservation.

It's called Vulgate.
It changes John 3 from what the original Greek manuscripts say. In John 3:5 the Vulgate reads "born again of water" where it should only say "born of water." And the original Greek version of John agrees with me and disagrees with the Vulgate. So then you must think the word of God changed at some time.

Brody Johnson
Brody Johnson

Not believing in MY form of Preservation means you don't believe in Preservation and are a CULTIST
Wait a minute.

Dominic Hughes
Dominic Hughes

He already admitted earlier that there is an unknown probability that the KJV is right or wrong, meaning he can't tell. My advice is to read the thread first.

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

1 Peter 1:23-25
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

Coming from you, it's no different than a JW cultist, or an atheist demanding proof that God wrote the Bible and not the Mormon, JW translation, or Koran. There is no difference at this point, because you don't believe in preservation.
I just said that I do believe that Word of God is preserved. Or to be exact, I receive as sacred and canonical, the all 73 books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition. I belive that the purity itself of the Gospel is preserved in the Church. I belive that truth and discipline are contained in the written books received by the Apostles from the mouth of Christ himself, or from the Apostles themselves, the Holy Ghost dictating, have come down even unto us, transmitted as it were from hand to hand; I receive and venerate with an equal affection of piety, and reverence, all the books both of the Old and of the New Testament–seeing that one God is the author of both – as well those appertaining to faith as to morals, as having been dictated, either by Christ’s own word of mouth, or by the Holy Ghost, and preserved in the Catholic Church by a continuous succession
It changes John 3 from what the original Greek manuscripts say. In John 3:5 the Vulgate reads "born again of water" where it should only say "born of water."
Or it is vulgate which is right, and it's later greek manuscripts which are corrupt. And since you are KJVOnlyst, I presume that by "orginal Greek" you mean Textus Receptus, a pet project of Catholic priest, who translatred parts of it to greek FROM VULAGTE.
And the original Greek version of John agrees with me and disagrees with the Vulgate. So then you must think the word of God changed at some time.
<He said, ignoring that KJV is not faithful to TR as well.
He already admitted earlier that there is an unknown probability that the KJV is right or wrong, meaning he can't tell.
No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."

Since you are probably (God have mercy on your poor state) American, I will try to explain it in easier terms.
You present KJV as standard. But you are doing it a priori (a priori means that you do it without empirical (that is based on reaserch or some kind of evidence based on reality) proof). You are eathier have to actually proove that KJV is preserved word of God (which authors of KJV themselves deny) or accept, that from logical, not based on emotions, standpoint, KJV or whatever other Bible you place it aginst have equal probability of being usurper. Or even that both of them are wrong.

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition.
So was the gospel given in Latin according to you?
and preserved in the Catholic Church by a continuous succession
You chose the wrong church, as evidenced by the corrupted Bible and the fact that they don't even tell you which version is the truth, they have several. Many use the RSV and NRSV.
Or it is vulgate which is right, and it's later greek manuscripts which are corrupt.
So you say the original words are lost then? The original John 3 only exists in modified Latin form?
I presume that by "orginal Greek" you mean Textus Receptus, a pet project of Catholic priest,
No, no I do not. Erasmus was only the first to rush his edition of the TR out of the presses, there were many others published later that corrected him. The KJV also does not follow his version in the places where it deviates wrongly.

No. I said: "it as a probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God."
You can't tell. "It is as probable" means you think it's a coin flip. Stop denying your own words. The word of God isn't a coin flip between two choices that are "as probable" as each other. Stop being intellectually dishonest about what you said, and either take back what you said, or accept it.

But you are doing it a priori (a priori means that you do it without empirical (that is based on reaserch or some kind of evidence based on reality) proof).
This is just like an atheist demand for proof, as I already said. In which case see John 8:47—
<He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You are eathier have to actually proove that KJV is preserved word of God
If you say two disagreeing words are from God, then I already know you are wrong. There can only be one. And I've already shown how all of your versions disagree with the one truth, they are based on non-originals and have been discovered later in time than the one received word of God. And it's always the same wicked people promoting them, and only as a means to resist the truth. They don't really care what version you use, they just don't want you to believe in the preservation of Scripture. That's the only aim here. To get people away from the truth and then start giving various substitutes. They don't care which you take, because it's all false.

or accept, that from logical, not based on emotions, standpoint, KJV or whatever other Bible you place it aginst have equal probability of being usurper.
So what you're admitting right now is one of two things. Either you haven't studied enough to even know what the word of God is, or you're saying it exists but we can't know, that nobody can know— which is just another way of denying the preservation of God's word. See John 10:4-5. It seems in this latter case you would have to deny that passage as well.

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

Thank you for your answers.

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

So was the gospel given in Latin according to you?
It was given in languages, including Latin. Read Acts. And then Peter with Mark preached to Romans, probably in Latin too since we have a lot of latinisms in his gospel but that's beside the point.
If you belive that word of God was preserved is in upomost barabric english why could I not belive that it was preserved in Latin, languge of Church of Christ?
You chose the wrong church, as evidenced by the corrupted Bible
You still have to prove that it's corrupt, or better yet, why in Earth should KJV be a standard for comparison?
and the fact that they don't even tell you which version is the truth,
By virtue of this Letter we declare the New Vulgate edition of the Holy Bible as “typical” and we promulgate it to be used especially in the sacred Liturgy but also as suitable for other things, as we have said.
Saint Pope John Paul II, Scripturarum Thesaurus
they have several. Many use the RSV and NRSV.
And? If authors of KJV recommended that their work should be compared to and improved by other versions why should laymen not use it? And when it comes to liturgical use, I trust ordinary magisterium of Anglosaxon churches.
So you say the original words are lost then? The original John 3 only exists in modified Latin form?
Never said that but it's possible that John 3 in reading of Vulgate is the true one and thus it's the other verions which are modified. 1 John 5 is certian though for you - it's Vulgate, not greek, which is true, isn't it?
No, no I do not. Erasmus was only the first to rush his edition of the TR out of the presses, there were many others published later that corrected him. The KJV also does not follow his version in the places where it deviates wrongly.
You might deny it, but TR is inherently Erasmus work. Few stylistic touches won't change bulk of the work. And KJV differs from any verion of TR anyway.
You can't tell. "It is as probable" means you think it's a coin flip. Stop denying your own words. he word of God isn't a coin flip between two choices that are "as probable" as each other. Stop being intellectually dishonest about what you said, and either take back what you said, or accept it.
Stop telling me what I said. Putting stuff in other men mouth is cryptofaggotry. I know what I said and what intention I had. I meant what I wrote in explonation - that with such a priori statement it's, in it's presented form, as probable that it's KJV which adds to/removes from Word of God by the sheer virtue of it being a baseless, a priori statement.
This is just like an atheist demand for proof, as I already said. In which case see John 8:47—
Now we start to getting somewhere but it does not help you at all, since you build on another a priori assumption - that you are part of the group that hears the word of God. But since it's a priori, contrary conclusion is as probable - that you are the part of group that is not from God.
So, now beside prooving that KJV should be the standard, you should also prove that you are actually "from God".
If you say two disagreeing words are from God, then I already know you are wrong. There can only be one.
Or none of the above. Both versions that you presented might very well not be word of God. It's simple logic.
And I've already shown how all of your versions disagree with the one truth,
You showed that they disagree with KJV. I ask again - why should KJV be the standard?
hey are based on non-originals and have been discovered later in time than the one received word of God.
Vulgate is based on earlier, more widespread MSS than TR or KJV though.
And it's always the same wicked people promoting them, and only as a means to resist the truth.
Church of England, one of more wicked denoms out there was he oe who made KJV, on behalf of King James, one of more wicked English Monarchs
They don't really care what version you use, they just don't want you to believe in the preservation of Scripture.
Believing in preservation of Scripture is not equal with believing that KJV is preserved Scripture.
That's the only aim here. To get people away from the truth and then start giving various substitutes. They don't care which you take, because it's all false.
But you didn't even come near to proving that. You just showed that some versions differ from KJV (which have it's own deal of being wicked like in its hiding of fact that Homosexuality leads to hell in 1 Corinthians)

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

So what you're admitting right now is one of two things.
My words really could not be easier and you still not get them?
Either you haven't studied enough to even know what the word of God is
I studied enough to know that KJV cannot be one (cf. preface to 1611 KJV) and to know that Vulgate is true one (cf. it being official version of the One and Only Church of Christ) but that's beside the main point which is once more - Why should KJV be standard?
or you're saying it exists but we can't know, that nobody can know— which is just another way of denying the preservation of God's word.
But we know - it's Vulgate, official Bible of the Church.

You are trying to form this false dichotomy, completely ignoring the point. Let me try once more:
<You say that KJV should be the standard
<You don't give any proof that it should be the standard
<You basically make a priori assumption that it IS the standard
<You then compare KJV to other versions and when they differ use it as a proof that they cannot be true
<Why? Because they differ from KJV
<Which you aribitrary choose as standard to begin with
Since you gave absolutly no proof* that KJV is or even should be the standard, any logical and intelectually honest man would point out, that objectivlly speaking, counter argument with the same reasoning could be use to disproove that KJV is true.

*You gave one which again is a proiri assumption - that since you use KJV and you are OF COURSE one among those who are from God then KJV must be true. But that argument requiers to prove that you are from God. Which will be outright impossible to you to proove since being from God means that you have to proove that you are part of historical Church i.e. that what you belive is the faith of all generations since Christ, a quality that you lack by sheer virtue of being protestant which is by nature a novelity from 1500s

See John 10:4-5. It seems in this latter case you would have to deny that passage as well.
Why would I deny passage speaking about uniqueness of Catholic Church?

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

absolutely top tier post

Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

If you belive that word of God was preserved is in upomost barabric english why could I not belive that it was preserved in Latin, languge of Church of Christ?
I have the originals from which it was translated, the original words. However, there is no remaining Greek source for the Vulgate neither is there a Hebrew source for the LXX or Apocrypha. So according to you, you don't have the original words, or else you could bring them instead of using only a modified "translation" that's actually had changes made to it (and the so-called "sources" are long gone).

It was given in languages, including Latin. Read Acts.
But the New Testament was in Greek, of course. Acts shows that it can be translated, but Acts and the whole New Testament also clearly shows that it was originally in Greek and hasn't somehow changed in any way. If you think the originals were lost, from which translation could be made, that's lack of preservation. We have the words, they haven't been lost.

And?
It means you are confused and can't decide what the truth is. So you're not a pillar of anything. I'm staying with the one unchanged word of God, and I'm the only one here who has that standard. Others don't care. Pretty soon you'll be reading the gender-neutral editions, and nobody will say to you it's wrong. Because you just keep adding versions despite these major differences and pretend they aren't there.

Never said that but it's possible that John 3 in reading of Vulgate is the true one
it's possible
You don't even know

1 John 5 is certian though for you - it's Vulgate, not greek, which is true, isn't it?
Research 1 John 2:23b, it's the same case here. I assume you know what happened with 1 John 2:23b.
Few stylistic touches won't change bulk of the work.
172 places is a lot.
Or none of the above. Both versions that you presented might very well not be word of God. It's simple logic.
If you say two disagreeing words are from God, then I already know you are wrong, there can only be one. Take two that disagree, they can't both be right. Take ten that all disagree, then at least nine must be wrong.

(which have it's own deal of being wicked like in its hiding of fact that Homosexuality leads to hell in 1 Corinthians)
Sodomites are dogs, and of course that leads to hell according to Revelation 22:15. That's where they're listed.

2 Peter 2:6 (KJV)
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Deuteronomy 23:17-18
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Revelation 22:15
For without are dogs,

Also note that the list in Revelation 21:8 is the exact same list but it replaces dogs with "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable," This of course confirms what Romans 1:24-2:2 says about sodomites being abominable and unbelieving, in other words, reprobate.

but that's beside the main point which is once more - Why should KJV be standard?
Because the Authorized version is the word of God in English.
<You basically make a priori assumption that it IS the standard
I didn't though. I showed the fact that it is the only one based on the originals (in the original Greek and Hebrew) that hasn't been altered by later discoveries. If you use a Greek "translation" job of the OT, that isn't original. You've lost the Hebrew. If you use a Latin NT as your basis, that isn't original because the NT is from Greek. So that objectively proves why you are wrong here. Your translation has to be from the original.

Anyway— The fact that you aren't even sure when asked what is the word of God you don't even know for sure is instant disqualification for you. The word of God exists right now, that fact is established. And the fact is also that it never changes; thus disqualifying everything you have brought forward. Since it exists and since you can't name it, there remains only one possibility. I'll leave it to you to figure out the rest.

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

I have the originals from which it was translated, the original words.
TR is not original my dude. It's in its very nature critical text, formed from many Byzantine MSS with few additions from Vulgate like Comma Johanneum
However, there is no remaining Greek source for the Vulgate neither is there a Hebrew source for the LXX or Apocrypha. So according to you, you don't have the original words, or else you could bring them instead of using only a modified "translation" that's actually had changes made to it (and the so-called "sources" are long gone).
Or even though originals are long gone (since they are, earliest full copies are from IV century) the true reading was perfectly preserved in Vulgate.
But the New Testament was in Greek, of course. Acts shows that it can be translated, but Acts and the whole New Testament also clearly shows that it was originally in Greek and hasn't somehow changed in any way. If you think the originals were lost, from which translation could be made, that's lack of preservation. We have the words, they haven't been lost.
If the reading was preserved how is it not perseverance? By your logic we don't have Matthew gospel at all, since he first wrote his gospel in Hebrew. Nor we have any true quotations from Christ apart from "God, my God why thou have forsaken me" since all we have is translations of his speach to Greek.
It means you are confused and can't decide what the truth is.
I alredy told you, I know what the truth is - Latin Vulgate. English translations vary but if they are accepted by episcopate I trust episcopate.
So you're not a pillar of anything. I'm staying with the one unchanged word of God, and I'm the only one here who has that standard.
AGAIN. WHY. WOULD. KJV. BE. THE. STANDARD.
You did not prove it. You don't even give any sensible reasoning. "I use it, so it must be right" is all that you wrote. Why on earth should you decide?
Others don't care. Pretty soon you'll be reading the gender-neutral editions, and nobody will say to you it's wrong. Because you just keep adding versions despite these major differences and pretend they aren't there.
Slippery Slope is logical fallacy. Especially when it's not even based on reality. We are not protestants who choose whatever they want. We have Faith.
You don't even know
And you do? Was you with John when he wrote it? If you already accepted that Vulgate is right when it comes to Letter of John why not accept that it's right when it comes to his Gospel.
Also, I alredy told you what I belive about Vulgate. When it comes to faith it's inerrant
Research 1 John 2:23b, it's the same case here. I assume you know what happened with 1 John 2:23b.
Vulgate preserved true reading again. And?
172 places is a lot.
For 138,162 words? That's circa 99.88% agreement
If you say two disagreeing words are from God, then I already know you are wrong, there can only be one.
Dude. You have reading problem or what?
I said that out of two you presented, both can be wrong i.e both are not from God
Take two that disagree, they can't both be right. Take ten that all disagree, then at least nine must be wrong.
Or out of ten, ten can be wrong. Or out of two, two can be wrong.
Sure, there is one that is right, but it does not mean that it's in groupings that you made.
By your logic if I had ESV, RSV and NIV one of them had to be right.
Sodomites are dogs etc etc
Dude. You DO have reading problem. Re-read what I posted, now with italics
(which have it's own deal of being wicked like in its hiding of fact that Homosexuality leads to hell in 1 Corinthians)
Because the Authorized version is the word of God in English.
Prove it. For now your argument it's even more laughable:
<KJV is Word of God because KJV is Word of God
You said that it's "Authorized version". Are you member of Church of England then? Because it's Authorized only by them, for them.
I didn't though.
You did just two lines above.
I showed the fact that it is the only one based on the originals (in the original Greek and Hebrew) that hasn't been altered by later discoveries.
You didn't show it. Moreover,KJV is not based on original Hebrew (since it based on MT which is anti-christian, Jewish reading and adding to that, it's sometimes don't even translate from Hebrew but from Vulgate) nor orginal Greek (since it based on criticial text of medieval and renaissance Byzantine texts and again Vulagate, and adding to that it's not faithful translation ethier).
The word of God exists right now, that fact is established. And the fact is also that it never changes; thus disqualifying everything you have brought forward.
<KJV, something from 1600s somehow have more historical reliability than Vulgate from 400s
Since it exists and since you ca