Should the Happening happen and the S does indeed HTF, there should be a list of vehicles that all Zig Forumsommandos should either own or look into aquiring just in case, here in australia we of course have lots of 4WDs in both transmissions as we have the landscape that requires it once your past the suburbs.
Here in australia we of course have local made vehicles but also have a load of rebadged vehicles from around the world, only problem is for these international vehicles parts could be hard to come by should they be damaged.
Other then the Technical favorite the Toyota Pickup, any other vehicles worth looking at?
Not the Hilux, at least not the new ones. You Australians get the best pick up Toyota makes, the J70 Land Cruiser with V8 diesel engine (4.5 L). That thing should get you anywhere and offer plenty of reliability.
I wouldn't consider any other vehicle besides a good diesel 4x4 for SHTF. If anything, I'd go smaller, the offer is very limited on the diesel small SUV now, but a decade a half ago there were some neat vehicles like the Toyota Blizzard that were almost built for that. Grabbing one of those and shoving in a more modern and common diesel engine could be an option. I'd stick to manual transmission.
You can also add grey hatchback to that, as they are getting to be just as common as black sedans nowadays.
Josiah Baker
Un-fucking-Australian.
Carson Brown
We also say ute instead of pickup. For fucks sake.
Brayden Hall
Posting relevant PDF.
Jonathan Clark
Sorry mate meant it as just a broad term for the toyotas that keep getting used in every modern conflict as a technical.
Good find, thanks user
Connor Brooks
Buy, an old truck, fix it up, and only then can you enjoy hunting pavement apes wandering out of the county line, on rope day.
Owen Powell
I was thinking of putting a slight lift on (probably 3 inches or so), throwing heavy all-weathers on, and beefing up the suspension so I could go on less known roads with ease. Only problem is front wheel drive, and I don't suppose I can convert it to 4 wheel without a complete transmission swap.
Kayden Hall
Amphibious BTR's cost less than a new car. The answer here is obvious.
Except like all good things, they're banned from import to the United States. You can still find late 80's early 90's Sidekick/Samurai/Tracker kicking around, but most of them got chopped up into off road toys and run into the ground.
Nolan Garcia
Been looking for a reliable truck that can take the shit getting kicked out of it, preferably with decent fuel economy. Is there anything in the American market made in the last 5 or so years that is up to the task?
Good luck driving during SHTF in your cool 4WD car and getting stopped on a freshly made road checkpoint by 10 armed monkeys who won't let such beauty go away. Pic related, one of the stolen cars in Donetsk. Imagine how many owners of a "cool" cars got fucked there. The point is, SHTF vehicle should only be reliable and as boring as possible.
Is it one of those stupid reasons like it's too dangerous when they flip or because your congress was salty regarding the 1980s export market?
iirc they're pretty cheap and abundant in Australia. Plus, they make a good painting project, like you could turn it into the Vargmobile in 4 hours tops.
Take a look at the Toyota Tacoma, it's got an almost cult following for its reliability. Also the Ford Ranger is coming back for 2019, so you should be able to find Tacomas for fairly cheap as masses of people trade in their old Tacomas for a new Ranger.
The former is the justification for the latter, yes.
Jackson Flores
Do you get Fiat Pandas in the US? The new ones are pricier and possibly less reliable, lots of tech in it engine/transmission-wise, but they still work better that 99% of the "4wd" when it comes to actual outdoor shit and look fairly conspicuous.
Elijah Garcia
Unlike 99% of modern cars the price increase was really about making the car better for what it was initially designed, just like the old one were a stupidly good 4x4 on a small package they've actually made an even better 4x4 using computer assist transmission and what not. It's sad the Italian army never made light SAS style scout vehicles out of those.
Ayden Barnes
Thought on the Jeep Cherokee/Comanche? (Not the Grand Cherokee). Parts are common as water around these parts, 4x4 and frames seem solid, and except for water pumps the inline 6 needs to be beat to death to make it stop running.
Nolan Roberts
Last to aid is first to die, user.
Cooper Brooks
That wasn't his point, dipshit
Michael Torres
Smaller cars like this would be a lot more useful than trucks in insurgencies. They only need to carry 2-3 people fully enclosed from elements, and with tinted windows, surveillance. Their fuel consumption is half that of a truck, so less need to refuel and be seen. They can carry any weapon an insurgent might need (gun, bomb)….
Whats the point of trucks? Same crew. Payload visible to surveilance…. any heavier weapons it can carry are rare outside warlord lands in africa and mideast.
Elijah Campbell
Just look at Crimea and before that the Balkans. It might surprise you how many weapons magically 'pop up out of nowhere' in an actual civil strife scenario.
Christian Butler
Threadly reminder that after the USSR breakup Ukraine ended up with a bigger arsenal than motherfucking Russia.
Joseph Hill
Not quite correct, it was the third largest in the world after Russia/USSR and the United States. Either way it was retarded of them to give it up, as that was the only leverage they had against the Russians.
Liam Butler
I would like to point out that you can buy certain heavy weapons in the US. Semi-auto M2HBs exist and with a crank fire are decent approximations of a full auto version. Semi-auto versions of MG42, UK-59, and PKM are also available. Its also pretty easy to acquire the material to produce primitive artillery rockets (Quassam series as an example) and mortars.
Anthony Reyes
That is his point. The only solution to staying away from this bullshit is to not live in the city, but move out, get a car with good mileage, and start up a family that will hold a standoff when the jews come to cut up your acres.
You're talking about nukes. I'm talking about conventional weapons, Ukraine inherited more gear from the soviet military than Russia (and Russia largely got second line gear, when Ukraine got pretty much all the most advanced gear from front line divisions), they already had a sizable force + a lot of the deep stockpiles since they would have been the main staging area in case of full mobilization but when soviet forces pulled back all across the Warsaw pact, they left most of the heavy gear in Ukrainian repairs centers and depots. Which the Ukrainians, as any good (((khazar))) would have done, then immediately proceeded to sell wholesale at bargain prices, shit they couldn't sell they looted of precious metals like gypsies and now to the point they've literally nothing left, they have to beg for T-72 parts to Poland, Czech, Slovakia, etc…
Also there was no version of that story were anyone would have let Ukraine kept those nukes: 1) because they didn't have the triggers nor the codes 2) it was "give them back to Russia and be free or face a fully UN-sanctioned tripartite invasion". Which is why they got nothing for it (they got not getting piled on by NATO and Russia in exchange). And thank God for that because they would have undoubtedly sold them (as they sold most of the strategic soviet tech they had access to Pakistan, China, North Korea, Iran, etc… Ukraine was and still is the main reason for nuclear proliferation. Hell they even sold China carriers!).
Cooper Bell
Goddamn import nonsense. I just want one of these fucking vodka vehicles.
Some off-road situations demand torque. Hauling requires torque. Adding armor to a vehicle requires torque. Those small vehicles usually have gasoline engines with less than 1.6 liters of displacement. Too much weight or too much climbing and you're fucked. Diesel works better for long off-road trips because you have more torque at low RPM, with a gas engine you rev up to get torque and fuel gets burnt away very fast.
It always boils down to the situation and task. If you live in a city you're kind of fucked from the get go, by the time bugging out is not an option, a car should be left as a last resort tool.
One guy shoved a sprinter engine on one of those (an 80s model). Some of those engines have gone for over 1 million kilometers, really need stuff. Great off roader by design.
New model doesn't come with a diesel engine. Depends on what you intend to do, but I'd advise agains it. Not sure If the US is getting a Ranger based on the T6 platform (internacional model), the T6 is actually good, closer to a Hilux than a Tacoma in some aspects and the engine is a solid performer.
You're probably a pure breed jap that never left the island, but the jinmy, the samurai, the mini pajero and all of those ultra compact SUV are very uncommon abroad. The 600-and-something cc engines are a deal breaker for me though. Great for mild off roading though.
Pic related, another excellent off-roader limited to some parts of the globe. Minus gearbox and, to a degree, the engine that thing is great. You can fit a 1.9 VW diesel inside, a more modern Renault-Mercedes 1.6 diesel.
There are a couple of those for sale back in my country, I want to get one and do very lewd things to her. Great little vehicle, plenty of room under the hood and not that heavy.
Jack Morales
FYI these can be imported to australia, but cost a big bag of money.
Gavin Thomas
Import restrictions don't apply to vehicles more than twenty five (25) years old. So you can get one, just not one fresh off the assembly line. Plus shipping them across the pond is a bitch.
Jose Hernandez
Czechs have export services for slav shit, I'd look there or in some other eastern europe countries.
Cameron Richardson
I'm glad you have your own demolition ranch, but most anons live in a cities.
Don't. By all means, work in the city but keep yourself just short of the city limits. Otherwise, you're just asking to die.
Colton Jones
This, living in the city is overpriced too.
Austin Powell
East Europe had full conscription, so every adult male was trained in warfare. They also had massive weapons caches for WWIII. There were foreign nations supplying locals as well.
I still maintain a small vehicle is more efficient for revolts. If some weapon system needs to be carried, a truck can be procured specifically for it, or perhaps a trailer hitched to the smaller car.
Rebels don't need to fight off road, the entire point is to hide among the general population and use their own means of transport. If you're revving over farmers fields and forests, someone will call the government and you will die VERY fast. Same for armor, it just makes you stand out and doesn't provide protection against any military grade weapon.
Bundy Ranch and the Malheur standoff both happened in rural areas with only a few paved roads. Also most land out west is federal, and the farm fields in the midwest are 1000+ acre plots. You will need to drive through them if you need to get somewhere quickly. At this point the government is either already reacting to a rebellion or no longer in control of the situation. Also, any farmer that does that will be disappeared shortly afterwards assuming you haven't already gotten the local population on your side, which is literally fucking rule one of irregular warfare. Armor is useful if you are assaulting a town or holding a town. Out in the open its CAS/IFV food, but that's assuming open conflict.
Henry Fisher
If you had ever left the East/West coast metroplex, not only would you understand how retarded the first part of that statement was, but you would also understand that a super tiny hatchback would be precluded from the majority of the area because of the second point.
Nicholas Myers
Don'tcha know soldiers get to do dumb shit on base? I mean ever try mopping up a parking lot in the rain or vacuum a dirt patch?
Lucas Miller
There's a reason why you're losing from ethnic Russians who took their training seriously and kept up stockpiles of weapons for Territorial Defense units, despite having five to ten times their number and far superior tech.
This is because of the defensive instinct of many right thinking patriots. They see the world outside and want to lock themselves away in a compound on which grounds the constitution still stands. They don't want to hurt anyone else.
A rebellion or insurgency would not be defensive by definition, you would have to hurt other people. In this case staying mobile, moving through the population as a fish swims in the sea, practicing tradecraft, exchanging identification as many times as your underwear, acting fully as a criminal group… is far more valuable than building medieval fortresses in the middle of nowhere. Subterfuge and hiding behind civilians is the only armor for a rebel.
Besides everyplace that doesn't have a paved road has a dirt one. If you're really set on going off road you can obtain a truck for that, that's a moot point because most of your operations will take part in CITIES because 100% of government and 95% of the population you're hiding behind is urban.
Christian Baker
Are there any 4x4 vans I can buy and modify?
Brody Adams
Delicas, first gen MPV's came with four wheel, dunno if you can lift em or not.
Adrian Parker
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Charles Hall
What would be the ideal bicycle? Durable diamond frame with fat tires, two seats, a basket that can be a child's seat, and a tin storage and the ability to fold like military bikes. Or just get a mountain bike with modifications since fatties would probably pop easier.
Just get the most common car for the geographic area, like Gosling did in Drive.
Ayden Bennett
Add a motor electric or combustion is up to you kit to a bicycle pulled trailer/tricycle w/ storage, and only allow the motor to be used to assist hill climbing to conserve resources.
A standard 'hard tail' steel bicycle with with modern airless tires, solid 5 or 3 spoke wheels, internal drivetrain and gearbox system, seatpost suspension and classic rear cargo rack is probably the best you can get in terms of durability.
You could save hundreds of dollars by carrying basic tools, spare chain links, an air pump and patch kit. Good luck truing or fixing a typical bicycle wheel though, one bad accident and it's unrideable.
Also folding bikes only make sense for a modern military that needs to transport hundreds of them constantly or issue them to paratroopers. You often see them in staged pictures folded up being carried on their backs but in the real world they'd be walking beside them with their gear stowed on it.
Nowadays all you need to do is swap out the front wheel to turn any bike into an electric motorcycle but the main issue is still the price and capacity of the battery. Reliably charging a battery would probably be a lot easier than getting valuable fuel in a SHTF scenario. And those motor powered bike conversions are very noisy while an electric one is silent.
Standard wheels are easy to fix. You just need a spoke wrench and a few spare spokes and nipples. Truing can be done with the wheel on the frame.
Ryan Brown
I don't understand the first and second picture. You just leave the pond alone because they can dry up anyway, unless you want to filter it for drinks and the second picture you can cut them by using the mower or whipper.
Isaiah Price
The problem with a lot of military bikes is they don't incorporate gearing technology. Chains are the absolute worst thing about bicycles, 9/10 failures are because of them.
Girly bikes have a lot more cargo than man bikes. Also a huge space so they don't have to expose their pucci when boarding, which could easily fit a dudes pack.
Well, the first Honda Cubs were glorified bicycles with a motor conversion kit, so it would be extremely easy to do that with electricity what Honda did to motorbiking. Plus Li-Ion batteries are rechargeable, and although quite tiresome, you can do it with your hands or using the bike as a generator.
Downside are that these batteries are heavy, and the heat (given that OP is Aussie, and Brazil user is, well, Brazilian) it will degrade batteries faster than they would in say Canada (on the long term). As such, it would make sense in having electric bicycles which have smaller batteries (stock up on more, keeping eggs in seperate baskets) compared to having an e-bike which have larger batteries on the whole (less stock, eggs in one basket). Though if you could get your hands on the Chinese electric bicycles/bikes that use car batteries/lead batteries, and also runs on Li-Ion, then you have a pretty versatile setup.
Use the lead/car battery for long range travel (re-location, hunting trips), the Li-Ion for short trips (hunting, securing perimeter, scouting), and the good old pedal (charging battery, going from point A to B). Also it's probably better to keep the bicycle/bike as bare as possible to reduce weight; no fancy headlamps, fake scooter aesthetics, and so on.
Behead those who insult the Mama-Chari Shame upon the white devils who do not ride the Mama-Chari 4th and 5th pic related, my daily as of right now as I do not have a license
I've actually never seen a bicycle using a shaft mechanism in my 19 years of living; I have to see one now.
>you'll get to shoot guns and ride tricycles and die for israel Consider me a ZOGbot, because I can't think of anything more comfier way of fighting than riding a tricycle mounted machine gun into battle along with the rest of your tricycle mounted infantry comrades
Are you suggesting we should leave soldiers alone and up to their own devises? This is how you get bored troops making FRH bangers.
Leo Rodriguez
It predates chain drive. The first bicycles were shaft driven, using a two-shaft push system. Chains were used soon after because the early steel was so shit that shafts would bend and snap. After the chains were enclosed in a leather safety pouch, bicycles finally took off…. you see the shaking from riding horses caused womens hymens to break, which ruined their marriage prospects. This is why it was considered unladylike to ride a horse, and thus only very rich women that could afford a carriage actually had the ability to commute. A bicycle was far cheaper than a carriage and MUCH cheaper than a horse, it also had a smoother ride and didn't damage hymens. All this meant every woman wanted one, and bicycle sales exploded.
Ural and BMW tested early shaft driven bikes for war purposes, and later made motorcycles with that system.
Adam Perry
After having been in an accident similar to the one in this image where the wheel failed on me and I carried a broken bicycle that couldn't roll properly for a mile or two I'd rather have peace of mind with a solid spoke design that is unbreakable and won't buckle under pressure if adjusted improperly.
Solid spokes wheels aren't much more expensive and the extra weight and stiffiness isn't too bad if you compensate with a thudbuster and front suspension. On the bike I described the thin metal spokes and rim on the wheel would be the weakest part if using a typical wheel.
Parts are hard to find because of nonstop political decisions (sanctions) but the design of the car is ridiculously sound. It's also made in the West by GM and some other companies, which at least copy the design.
Cameron Thompson
Most roadblocks are set up OUTSDIE cities. Do you know why? To many streets-roads to control in the cities.
Benjamin Bell
Because literally no one has real off road vehicles? They just guzzle too much gas to be used 24/7 day to day.
Tyler Price
Jesus Christ niggers, you make over 5 times as much money as does the rest of the world does and you can't afford one in five extra gallons? It's fucking baffling, like saying an iPhone 10 is too expensive when you can buy four of them using one month worth of wages. For a slav that would be four months to buy one phone.
Anthony Clark
Most of the world doesn't have $300,000 in debt from an education and a mortgage.
Most of the rest of the world doesn't have their government take half the fucking economy out from under them.
The new Ranger is based off the international model, albeit it is being heavily remodeled for the NA market. It is being launched only with a 2.5L Twin Ecoboost at 280 hp. Though there are speculations that it will get a Diesel added to the lineup after launch because the F-150 is also getting a diesel version as well and Ford is trying to get a lot of part commonality between their truck lines.
Nolan Anderson
Let me clarify some things. Cartels use dozens of low rank members to recon the turf. Some of them are stationed on key areas, some use scooters to roam around the turf, looking for rival dealers, incoming police/military patrols, enemy recons or just anything that might seem sketchy. If this dude looks what it could be a rival convoy of enforcers trying to stirr some shit, they call by radio for reinforcements. And this is when the pick ups and SUVs are used for. To displace a seizable number of enforcers to repel enemy raids. Or they can be used to raid the enemy too.
Charles Phillips
I nominate an American "technical" like the Dodge Dakota. Unfortunately they discontinued them after 2011. But I have a 4.7L V8 4x4 6 speed manual Dakota and really like it. It's bare bones and a simple vehicle. All before the computer bullshit got overly integrated into every other function past the engine functions.
What would be the best-suited motorbike for a guerilla operative? Or is that only in the movies and games since most are noisy as bees. I don't jackshit about automobiles what are some entry-level dirtbikes.
