Nice shifting of goalposts, mate.
Doesn't matter. Nobody was talking about "long range for an SMG", but about "long range" in respect to firearms in general.
Sounds a lot like Stoßtrupps, Sappers, and special forces to me.
Yeah, right? All of those 9mm service pistols the Military uses can share the same ammo with normal sub machine guns.
No. They are not being replaced by 5.56 rifles. They are being replaced by 5.56 carbines. There is a massive difference between a carbine and a rifle. A carbine solves the issue of over-penetration and difficult handling in tight spaces by making the barrel shorter, which reduces muzzle velocity.
The French dropped the FAMAS and are now switching over to HK assault rifles and MPs.
The US special forces use sub guns to this day, because they are much lighter than even a carbine. US vehicle crews and rear guard receive M4 carbines.
The Russians got their AKUs and the pistol caliber derivates thereof.
The only reason the Brits won't stop pretending like their SA80 is a piece of shit they should replace is because they don't want to be dependent on German imports if SHTF, which is a valid argument to make, and I respect that.
How do you feel about dual-purpose vehicles?
M4 mil spec is 4 MOA, AK pattern minimum allowable is 6 MOA but it depends on country, most go as low as 4 MOA (they use a non-MOA measurement, ergo its an estimate). There is no assault rifle with sub-MOA accuracy, which is the necessary accuracy to reach the effective range that defines long range engagements. Firearms are judged by their effective range, not the maximum range a bullet travels. Otherwise a shitty 9mm pistol would have a range of 2km because if its fired at a 45 degree angle thats how far the bullet would travel.
You are wrong, and there is a reason everyone in this thread is telling you that.
Oh and not to mention, assault rifles aren't submachine guns. The entire premise suggesting assault rifles are "long range" submachine guns is incorrect at its root. Assault rifles are a whole new class of rifle.
Did you forget what happened to British forces in Afghanistan? The L85 didn't have the range to engage the local Hadjis, and after the complaints got far enough up the chain they were issued 7.62mm DMRs. Besides, what sort of faggot doesn't want to talk about the prospect of a weapon that's as effective at 1500m as it is at 1500mm?
I have seem it so many times I don't even look twice these days, people are retarded.
In general in regards what? Every gun ever produced? Common civilian guns? Military guns?
Nice me.me
It's still a rifle. The M4 doesn't suddenly stop becoming a rifle because it has a short barrel. "Carbine" is a massive meme term that can mean pretty much anything too, it shouldn't be considered as an actual designation.
And still, SMGs are being replaced.
No there isn't
A barrel that is shorter by a couple inches doesn't reduce the muzzle velocity to the point where there is a significant effect on penetration.
Care to provide a source?
And? Like I said earlier, they have specific mission requirements. The M16/M4 completely replaced the M3 in every other role.
An assault rifle or "carbine" if you want to argue semantics, not an SMG
Only used by the MVD, not issued to any members of the actual Russian military
That doesn't make sense, if SHTF was to occur, we would still be dependent on German imports for new SA80s, the factory that produced them here shut down.
Huh, who would've guessed
Or, alternatively, just look at the LMTCQB16 the Kiwis are adopting with 77 grain ammo. Civvie shooters report between 0.75 and 1.5 MOA using 77 grain ammo in LMTCQB16s.
For an individual shooter maybe, but the MOA of individual rifles doesn't really matter at long range with sectional engagements, but the whole argument of "does 4 MOA matter?" is a moot point anyway, because outside of 3rd world shitter rifles, most rifles have decent accuracy.
Because they're leafs and krauts. And argumentum ad populum doesn't exactly work when you consider two people to be "everyone".
Read my post above. 5.56 and .poopoopee becoming .22 at anything past 100 yards has nothing to do with assault rifles, it's the cartridge. It wasn't that 5.56 was too inaccurate or just dropped out of the sky, it just had no effective terminal ballistics.
We needed a DMR anyway, the whole Russian doctrine of the SVD is kino, and the LSW just wasn't cutting it
You are missing the next picture with the guy staring down an MP7 with no sights at all to speak of.
To be fair that thing is in 9mm and its probably got some Valmet magic going on.
lol, no.
If you want to do anti-ship you need very, very fast and fairly smart missiles that can be launched well outside SAM range. It helps if your launch platform can carry a ton of them or go really fast.