level 3a is supposed to stop .357 sig which is much more potent then what came out of Paul's carbine so I'm surprised by that. But it figures soft armour isn't as consistent as plates.
But why not just avoid a pcc altogether if you're life's depending on it? 5.56 is surprisingly close to 9x19 in terms of weight. NATO 9x19 weighs 194 grains while 5.56 weighs 184 & 196 grains for M855A1 & mk 262 respectively. You'll save on volume but the trade off in ability is massive and to me it isn't worth it.
I like pcc's because they are cheap to shoot and plink with but I don't think I would stake my life on one if a had a rifle in an intermediate or full power round available. I also find a lot of them to be too expensive for what they are so it's hi-point carbines for me until I can make my own. The reason I suggested the cartridge above is so you could build a small gun with a short barrel without having to worry about excess muzzle flash and blast yet still get good 200 yard performance from it. I still stick by my original post that pcc's should be chambered for magnum level cartridges. If companies want me to pay nearly $1000, or in some cases even more, for their carbines then it should come in an equally expensive and absurd round.
Wild and crazy thought here … what about building a metral+bullpup in an intermediate round?
The Metral sub-gun is chambered in 9mm so it can take uzi-lookalike magazines, and take them through the grip. It's an open-bolt sub-gun so would dissipate heat pretty okay if you stepped up the round size, loaded with an equally-straight magazine for 300AAC or .50 beowulf, or .30-carbine … but move the grip in front of the mag well and just use some extra levers to operate the sear?
Jordan Allen
PCCs are the inbetween for a pistol and a 16 inch rifle. Rifle powders need lots of barrel to burn properly- 14 inches or less of barrel and even the fastest "rifle class" powder like IMR 4198 creates obnoxious fireballs and wasted powder, with the sole exception of 300 blackout because it has the ability to use magnum pistol powders like H110, which has an optimum burn length around 12 inches.
Aiden Johnson
does this count as a PCC?
technically a light rifle or neutered subgun sure but it was designed to share its round with a companion pistol so…maybe? The masterpiece arms mac 10 clone takes Five-seveN mags too so maybe that can be considered a PCC.
I could see something in either 5.7x28 or 9x19 as a decent PCC. lightweight and no recoil to speak off, so it would be pretty friendly to gun noobs or anyone with an injury that makes using larger rounds difficult. You could get a shitload of rounds on target in a big hurry with something like that.
pity they are all retard expensive…or hi-point and low capacity. Also buying just one kind of ammo is nice. Oh well, guess poor people can just stick to bubba'd up SKS or cheap AR15's.
Yeah I'd consider those as a PCC, I mean I consider an AR in 9x19 etc etc as a PCC.
First try non-lethal measures. If they persist then yeah the Sten will do a sten thing.
Jordan Nelson
How would an aspiring gunsmith with a lot of free time go about doing a conversion like this? Are there guides somewhere?
Jacob Long
Obtain a barrel in desired caliber then start muntzing parts, i.e do I need to port the barrel, will the boltface match up with my desired caliber, build a piece that allows use of X magazine.
They're shit. They're too weak for using it like a rifle, and too big to carry like a handgun. They're only suited for shooting tin cans. If you get any PCC you'll regret it and end up selling it for 25% of what you paid for it
