Helicopters

Daniel Hill
Daniel Hill

Daily reminder that the only way you would have been able to fly as a soldier in WW2 is if you were a college grad pilot or an elite solder (US paratrooper/IJA SNLF/German fallschirmjager).

When will you understand how important helicopters (specifically transport helicopters like the Huey, Eurocopter, and Mi series) are for the complete GI experience Zig Forums?

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Jayden Phillips
Jayden Phillips

Daily reminder that the only way you would have been able to fly as a soldier in WW2 is if you were a college grad
The Flying sergeants were a thing. You'd never get the numbers of men needed in the air if you limited the talent pool like that.

Oliver Hill
Oliver Hill

Thats just wrong, there were hundreds of thousands of pilots in WWII. Soviets put random peasants in fighters and many of them did really well… Even teen girls were flying Pe2 to spy on and harass Germans.

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

You don't know what you are talking about OP

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

I do

Yes, hundreds of thousands of people, still not the average soldier, especially not Red Army troopers charging germans with no weapons

David Perez
David Perez

This is a shit thread, OP

Michael Peterson
Michael Peterson

die

Michael Davis
Michael Davis

I'm sure the Tuskegee Airmen were all College educated…

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Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

They were actually.

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

Daily reminder that the only way you would have been able to fly as a soldier in WW2 is if you were a college grad pilot or an elite solder
Okay. It's not that hard to get a degree.

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

especially not Red Army troopers charging germans with no weapons
Except this never happened. Soviets lacked big guns. Why do you think nuggets were so cheap for so long? They were plentiful back then too.

Josiah Gomez
Josiah Gomez

never happened
German reports on this say otherwise.

Leo Lee
Leo Lee

I know that the movies liked to portray the WW2 RAF as university educated, noblemen - but if you look at the actual men who were recruited and served it was mostly Grammar School graduates and professional mechanics. In WW1 the blood was a little bluer, but that was mostly because they were forming the RFC in the middle of a war and needed men who didn't really need training with engines so they selected for car owners (who were still restricted mostly to the wealthy upper class at that point, and who would already understand a fair bit about engines as you had to be your own mechanic as a car owner at that point).

Camden Green
Camden Green

implying anybody can or has ever questioned the utility of helicopters on this board

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

OP is retarded
OPs flag changes to a fucking leaf
Why am I not surprised.

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Austin Walker
Austin Walker

Regulars always had guns, the unarmed "soldiers" were penal units (which were actually disproportionately college-educated since a lot of them were political prisoners).

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

Red Army troopers charging germans with no weapons
That's from a movie bruv, the only commies who didn't have weapons in WWII were the gulag slaves who were digging trenches. Sometimes their guards forced them to rush a German position so a German sniper or MG nest would reveal itself.

It was just a cheaper way to execute them than having NKVD to shoot them.

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

right, fuck sorry, didnt see this post

Isaac Cruz
Isaac Cruz

especially not Red Army troopers charging germans with no weapons

i wonder how long will americlaps and canucks keep spamming this bullshit

Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

We Hungarians also had those, although we called them labour service units. They were mostly jews and leftists forced to clear minefields and do similar tasks.

Adam Young
Adam Young

Can we turn this into a ch53 thread? I love how orkish it was to just add bolt on a third engine when it was found out two engines were underpowered. And then they just added a giant refuel probe on it to compensate for lost range, which probably weighs enough to make the entire practice useless.

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Jack Reed
Jack Reed

Soviets put random peasants in fighters
This is how you set a2a combat Guinness record forever.

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Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

This.
Soviet never sent unarmed peasant.
Average soviet peasant was a guy living in the sticks that probably know how to survive eating sorel leaves, was /fit/ and even likely knew how to use a gun since he had to hunt to eat a bit of meat once in a while (or not getting eaten by wolves I mean it's still a problem in Russia today with forests services culling wolves packs with MG and helicopters…). Now sure they would often surrender to the germans because to them the reds were worst than foreigners but with proper commissar surveillance they were decent troops.

The guys they sent unarmed to reveal enemy positions were the college boys that thought equality was great not so long ago and the inner city scum.

Adrian Fisher
Adrian Fisher

I'll one-up the soviet pesants. How about soviet prisoners, both of the -of-war and political- kind.
Not behind the wheel of course, but as a tail gunner, mostly in two seat planes I think.
If you complete 10 flight you are forgiven/etc
Extreme casualty rate as expected
complete 9 flights
Get transfered to the mine cleaning squad.

Logan Ramirez
Logan Ramirez

the unarmed "soldiers" were penal units
Those also had weapons. They just sent them to harder parts of the battle. They still earned decorations and were restored in rank. Soviets fucked a lot of shit up, but they never sent in unarmed soldiers.

I'm sure that's an unbiased account. Just like all the generals blaming Hitler for fucking everything up, even though they were on board for most of it.

Matthew White
Matthew White

That was a decent game.

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

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James Torres
James Torres

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Cooper Bennett
Cooper Bennett

The US Army implemented the Warrant Officer flight program specifically to get younger, less formally educated pilots flying their helicopters. Sometimes referred to as "high school to flight school" all that was required was passing the flight aptitude test, flight physical then Warrant Officer Candidate school/flight school. The Army also had enlisted troops and NCO's that would receive rudimentary flight training as aerial observers in the OH-58A's and C's.

Jayden Bell
Jayden Bell

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Chase Diaz
Chase Diaz

I'm a professional pilot and I hate that a degree is basically a requirement to do any sort of meaningful flying (Air Force, Navy, Marines, Fixed-Wing Army, Coast Guard, and civilian airlines). I can tell you that with all the training I had to do just to fly and the thousands of hours I have logged, college did absolutely nothing but waste my time and money. It didn't make me a better pilot, it didn't make me a safer pilot, and it didn't help me train faster. The only slight benefit I got was maybe a better understanding of systems but you get trained on that anyway (both civilian and military). Personally, I blame NASA since they pushed the college meme for astronauts because they didn't want kids thinking High School was good enough for astronauts (but it was at that time since they just needed competent test pilots). I also blame the general public that doesn't feel safe being a passenger if the pilot didn't waste 4-6 years in a University. Oh no those 1500 hours of flight time and countless hours spent studying for the FAA don't matter! I want that damn pilot to take 2 years of gender studies general ed classes!

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Gavin Garcia
Gavin Garcia

that incredibly disgusting hand

I think I threw up a little in my mouth.

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

This.
The physics and math parts you need to understand for piloting a plane is basically not even high school shit, it's middle school shit.
We used to have programs that let kid fly (small) planes in France at their entry in middle school, the idea being you would have enough hours to start your private pilot license at 15 and get it at 16 (which went all the way to twin-prop class, proper radio tower approach, night flight, etc…).
And since the french army was adamant in keeping it's light aviation (so light transports and helos are all army not air force) all crews were simple NCOs, with only the plane pilots being Lt.

Of course now it's all gone with the EU/back in NATO. A veteran Gazelle pilot is gonna be a commander now or something (which is hilarious because the change didn't happen that long ago so you have guys that jumped from chief-sergeant to captain overnight) and all new pilots come from sup'Aero or other nobility schools, when the older generation were proper grunts that knew how to fix their own shit if needed to.

Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

The physics and math parts you need to understand for piloting a plane is basically not even high school shit, it's middle school shit.
I remember pissing off a college physics professor I had when he asked me what my career path was. I told him at the time I was currently rated as a commercial pilot and needed a degree. He gave me this smug look.
user, physics will be very helpful to you then in your career! Pay attention
Well actually no professor, does a bird understand physics to fly? No. All I need to know is that what goes up must eventually come down and that's it. Charles Lindbergh helped design the plane he flew across the Atlantic and he was a college drop out. Some of the flight instruments I use today were designed during WW2 for pilots with an 8th grade education. Pilots who successfully flew many missions.
He wasn't happy with me after that statement in class. It is true though. Yes the science of flight and aerodynamics can be helpful and fun, but is it going to help me fly an ILS to minimums while my APU is on fire? No.

youtu.be/iV1hVLGLZ-w?t=304
youtube.com/watch?v=DBPwqnFaXx4

Videos related is basically what it takes to be a pilot and should show how college has absolutely no bearing on a successful flight.

Ya I like that image but the hand is fucking disgusting. Might edit the hand.

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Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

Yeah, college is what killed my idea for going into Naval Aviation.

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

The thing you gotta keep in mind about professors is, most of them have never actually had a job. Their whole life was one long spergout about their chosen discipline. So it is unrealistic to expect any of them to act like their discipline isn't the one true religion and everything else in life is a waste of time. They even fight among each other, see the endless bitchfights between chemists and physicists about how their respective disciplines are obsolete. Professors tend to be extremely immature and don't understand anything about life as someone who isn't a professor. And if that's what you really said in class, you were undermining his authority in class, so how did you expect him to react?

Granted, college training probably does make some maneuvers and principles (like stalling or various critical angles) easier to understand. But that applies to maybe 1% of the stuff you learn in college. You learn a lot of other things that are useless as well. If college is an average of 20 hours per week of lectures, and another 20 of homework/studying, that's 8000 hours of study over 4 years that you require from people just to get the 80 hours of relevant foundation. Why not just have an intensive 2 week course be part of the flight training? Even worse when they use college just as a proxy to make sure your IQ is high enough. Isn't just doing a 2 hour IQ test easier than requiring people to jump through a 4 year long hoop?

All the educational requirements are clearly bullshit anyway, because 12 year old kids can easily learn to fly planes in flight sims.

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

Make way for the best transport helo to ever grace this gay earth!

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Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

It would be better for the Russians if it were true because the mass casulties they took would have some sort of reasoning behind it other then slavs cant fight for shit

Logan Carter
Logan Carter

<Comrade Ivan, we must execute these political prisoners, for the good of communism!
<I know comrade Alexandyr, I know. But we need our ammunition to fight the fascist invasors, and strangling them one by one takes too much time!
<Comrade Ivan, worry not! I know how to make the enemy do our work for us!

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Liam Miller
Liam Miller

They took massive casualties because Stalin repeatedly refuse to withdrawn entire armies when it's generals told him to. And since he had all the previous generals killed nobody really challenged him.
Right before the war Stalin fired 3 out his 5 5S generals, 13 out of his 15 4S generals, 8 of the 9 admirals, 50 of his 57 army corps (2S and 3S) generals, 154 out of 186 division (1S) generals, 16 of his 16 army commissars (4S), and 25 of his 28 army corps commissars (3S) and as much as 30,000 superior officers (colonels and staff officers).
When Hitler started doing the same the Germans also started to take massive casualties.

Add the commissar system which was very real so you basically had guys whose only job was to make sure everyone was perfectly fine charging MG nests, could short-circuit orders by the real officers at any time and very little training (while the German army initially was basically at an all professional force, pre-war mandatory military service was several years, while people were technically conscripts they had been immensely drilled before that, even in wartime they still took time to retrain and properly train units for months until late 1943-1944. Soviet training was 2 weeks, 1 month if you were scouted as a specialist) did the rest.
The main reason why Joukov was so popular is that he would have had every commissar arguing an order from his officers shot for treason, which largely explains why his troops performed so much better rather than real tactical/strategic genius on his part.

The soviet were lacking a shitload of things but supplies in general weren't the major problem, competent field and staff officers coupled with the retarded "double" command structure was a much bigger one.

Andrew Torres
Andrew Torres

you were undermining his authority in class, so how did you expect him to react?
I didn't say it to him during class just to clarify. It was in a one on one conversation outside of class. I'm not autistic enough to just sperg out and insult someone during class.
Why not just have an intensive 2 week course be part of the flight training?
Aerodynamics and basic physics of flight is part of private pilot flight training lol. I've met redneck crop dusters that know more about the principles of aircraft design than aeronautical engineers.

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

aerodynamics and basic physics of flight
If wing exceed maximum angle of attack plane fall down.
flight surface lift best at max angle of attack, that why if tail push nose up plane turn better.
if plane too slow then wing cant enough lift so require to increase AoA. If AoA exceed plane fall.
to recover from stall push nose down and gather speed until wing enough lift.
If one wing AoA exceed before other funny thing happen.
Flaps deploy increase AoA but make plane slow, good for landing when plane need slow without turn into fire on ground. Beware as flaps break off when deploy at too much fast.
If plane too fast then wing generate so much lift it removes from fuselage, this is why need be careful when pulling out of dive, rolling at high speed or sudden reverse g maneuvr.
To get out of dance mode cut throttle and push rudder opposite to dance direction, then do normal stall recovery
on single engine prop or twin engine faggot prop with no counter propeler wind from propeller make plane veer in one direction, which is why important to careful on takeoff with the rudder and trim inflight so feet don't go tired.
Gear lots of drag so deploy with flaps when turning into runway at 0% throttle for faster approach.
real men stall so soft on carrier deck plane slow enough it gently caress the wire with its arrestor hook
energy is a valuable resource
(((nose wheels))) are the gays
Canard superior.

t. Cave Thunder veteran, rate my basic airplane knowledge

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