I get what you're saying, but the problem is that you're conflating things. There is a difference between using the modern world to promote tradition, and replacing traditions with modernism. Let me give you an example: you said that using memes is the equivalent of guitar masses. Here's the thing, I support people using modern music to promote Christianity. Johnny Cash did it, so did Bob Dylan, and there stuff is good and edifying. However, if I walked into church and they were playing a bunch of Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan, I'd want the traditional chanting. That's the reason I don't like guitar masses, they replace the traditional mysticism of the mass with pop garbage. Memes are the same way. If I walked into church and instead of an iconostasis they had a bunch of printed out image macros, I'd be pissed. I'd leave that church. However, using memes outside of the church to promote the Church is perfectly fine and I see nothing wrong with it.
This I just completely disagree with. It was God who started it, when he used his religion as a lawbook for the children of Israel. Obviously, those ceremonial laws aren't in effect anymore, but the concept of religion and politics being one and the same is a Godly position. Beyond that though, people unite based on ethnic, religious, and political ties. If Christianity has no political system, Christians will be divided into numerous groups ranging from far-right to far-left to those willing to accept Dhimmitude under Shariah. I say that pooling the vast resources of the books of Moses, the book of Acts, the Church Fathers, the Distributists, Christian Socialists, Christian Fascists, Gary North, Codreanu, and the many great Christian thinkers who have lived and died in the past 2000 years, we could create a substantial Christian political system that would ensure protection of the faith and decent treatment for our Christian brothers and sisters
Ayden Williams
I wonder if it has to do with intelligence. A lot of people are smart enough to question things about the Bible and Christianity as a whole, but not smart enough to understand the answers to those questions.
Levi Baker
I'm not talking about the church becoming cool, I'm talking more about the church being """made""" to look cool.
I see what you are saying, and how things could be conflated, but I'm still just a little bit sceptical about it. At the end of the day I still have this terrible vision of people spouting "Deus vult!" who have no idea what it is supposed to refer to.
And their politics got them into all kinds of trouble, being led astray by their own wants and desires, even when they thought they were doing the right thing. If anything this is another strike for staying away from it.
Sebastian Adams
Sad but it does have to happen
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Connor Robinson
D-d-do I detect a hint of pride, Guardian? Perhaps a dash of schadenfreude?
This is old news bundled as statistics with a dash of "We troll you" from the Guardian. Pretty hard for me to care less. I'm already resigned to what seems inevitable.
In maybe a hundred or so years, the few remaining European Christians will be as isolated and perhaps even as persecuted as middle-eastern Christians, with refugees unironically fleeing to Africa and China for safe haven. Mark my words.
That's okay. Civilisations come, civilisations go. Only the Lord our God remains.
This is just defeatist trash, it's like you want there to be as few Christians as possible. There's a reason why prophets tended to emphasize God's love, mercy, and especially POWER, rather than list a seemingly arbitrary list of commandments in order to convert people. Because the concept of being loved is attractive, and even more so the concept of power is aspirational, people want to be on the winning team, which is God's team.
If you choose to advertise a position of weakness and self-deprivation rather than the spiritual bounty and might of the one true God, sorry you're just a dork who has absolutely no use in evangelism, the kind of memetic imbecile who would advertise broccoli on it's taste rather than it's tremendous health benefits.
Again, this is the kind of advertising most churches use because they listened to the ideas of tone-deaf nerds like you. Of course some people might not like the whole package but selling them on the benefits is what makes ANYONE even take a second look. If you can't handle that and would rather take your ball and go home, then just do it already loser, and leave people who actually have something to contribute alone
Benjamin Campbell
Why do the crusaders seduce ? Because they were not at all of this world, completely based, following religious reasons that no one nowadays will understand.
The same with the Church, as long as she stay spiritual, she doesn't break her tradition, it will be more than cool because appealing for the souls thirst. So as long as it stay based, anti-degeneracy, with superior celestial aesthetics, with virtuous mens (of the present or the past) not bound to vantities, strong with no fear (not weak "don't hurt others"), resisting all ideologies (like feminism, cosmopolitism,…) spiritual and re-enchanting the world (not limiting the action of God or the logos to Jeezus), finding a purpose to nations and not only individualism applied to religion, serving beauty and charity, forming and true communities bound by everything a soul want… Then it's celestial, and so it's cooler than everything for the young souls that seek an ideal. But the youngs of occident have old souls because of sins hardening their heart, so they shouldn't be listened, only tradition should. But what is the "Deus vult" meme if not a call to a return to tradition with virtuous, based men, celestial aesthetics, spiritual edgyness, a Church beside everything,… ?
So memes are ok if they are natural, funny memes made by a community, but if you start making memes on jewbook with boomer humor as a dying cry in direction to "the cool youth" then of course it's jewry. In other words celestial memes are made naturally and comes from a genuine interest for God and his church by people that didn't compromised with the world. boomers are compromised with world, treators to the church tradition gave by the holy spirit with old souls only making memes in a petty attempt to desperately call for the youth.
TL;DR : memes are profane jokes who must call and be submitted to the sacred tradition of the Church
Juan Lee
This. People that don't want to sing the splendor of God and his Church will finally fill the void with boomer humor, feminine propaganda,…
Grayson Russell
You can mingle with society and keep LARPing as Chad the Thundercuckhearted EBBIN Crusader. We’ll be in the catacombs.
