Michael Voris

Wasn't it St Aquinas who prayed to be delivered from his sexual desire toward women and God delivered that day?

It's not that I'm skeptical. I don't doubt that God can give you any grace if He wills, but He doesn't just give it out like that. Maybe you can link one who you think might be genuine then, so I can hear their life resolutions or something.


I've never read anything about this, but it would make sense because God gifted him with great intelligence, and he swore to devote everything he had to become a philosopher.

I googled it. Apparently Aquinas' family was worried about him being an autistic virgin so hired a hooker for him. He chased her out of his bedroom with a torch and drew a cross on the wall and prayed to God for deliverance from his sexual desire. An angel appeared and said God had heard him he would never feel such temptation again, and gave him a belt. Aquinas wore that belt for the rest of his life and never experienced sexual desire again. Obviously if that happened then such circumstances aren't exactly commonplace. It's a miracle.

Personally I prayed for liberation from my lust once, then experienced a month straight of having no sexual desire at all. It was strange. Eventually I got worried that something was medically wrong with me and tried masturbating to see if everything was still working and bam back to square one. The situation might have been medical, but I might have squandered a special grace from God. :(

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That's actually a really funny story user. And regarding Aquinas, what I got from that story is sexual desire was the only thing keeping Aquinas from becoming a fully committed slave of God and he was willing to sacrifice everything for it. Therefore there's a logical reason why God graced him asexuality, he was ready to bear a heavier cross. But still, it's just a miracle, no human logic can comprehend it, and not everyone has that grace. That's why I consider that user's assertion that you can "pray the gay away" to be ridiculous. Not all homosexuals are the same, homosexuality is not a curse, some people are just demanded to carry their cross for the rest of their life.

You can stop with the straw men. You can find those testimonies online, if you don't want to believe them, fine. But you won't even seek them out, because you've made up your mind (even though the Bible clearly states otherwise in 1 Corinthians).

I'm trying to seek them out, and so far I haven't found any convincing source. You made those claims, how about you try to help me?

You talk like a God-hating atheist, and I don't believe you've sought out any testimonies whatsoever.

youtube.com/watch?v=S2CLbl2wAD4

Turns out "pray the gay away" and "gay conversion therapy" are not the best queries for searching this stuff. I tried a new query, "ex-gay testimony". There's a lengthy video of a testimony by a man named Carlos Catari, but in the beginning of the video he stated that his sexual abuse as a child was the source of his homosexual tendencies. It's definitely not the case with every gay out there.

I don't want to be judgemental or self righteous here, but I sense a lot of negativity from you. Yes, I will watch it, thank you, but calling me a God hating atheist imo is going a bit too far.

That makes sense, since those terms are used for slanderous mockery of the work of Jesus Christ.
Good example of a person who approached God the wrong way and failed to be delivered from homosexuality until a full surrender. I didn't call you a God-hating atheist, but I apologize for my sharp tone. It's just that phraseology set me on alert. God bless you.