graven (adj.)
"sculpted, carved," late 14c., past-participle adjective from grave (v.) + -en (1).
You do know what cast is?
In celebration of Easter - Behold, The Man!
Daniel Cox
Nicholas Flores
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Jaxon Wright
No, that wasn't implied at all. Where did you get that?
Michael Davis
I understand that, I just haven't been persuaded of it, and haven't seen it as important enough to look into it more deeply.
I'll check out the vid tho.
Asher Evans
All of you arguing about whether it's sculpted vs. carved vs. cast needs to be prayed for.
Doesn't matter.
If you create it out of respectful and cautious curiosity or for historical understanding then it should be okay (like recreating the tomb, the ark, etc.). If you create it TO WORSHIP IT and pray to it as if it is God and stuff little prayer requests in his fingers, then it's a sin. God doesn't play that game. (Catholics, I'm looking in your direction).
Oliver Powell
I'm a prodtard and I think the shroud is legit. There is a lot of very good information on it. If it isn't authentic, then it's the greatest forgery of all time and the work of an incomprehensibly brilliant artist. There's probably all sorts of good stuff in the Vatican archive that's legit. Just we have our differences doesn't mean everything they have is crap.
Samuel Jones
Vatican archive is a mess of mostly bureaucratic records. We have found Codex Vaticanus by accident for no one even knew/remembered that it was here. I wish that somone could digitalise and dig through it.
Noone does argue about it. Noone does pray to it ethier. You have poor understanding of iconography.
Evan Hernandez
The first ever documented owner of the shroud, Knight Geoffroi de Charny got it from crusades or travel probable and he never wrote much about the turin, he considered it to be an icon and no where he considers it to be an artifact, it is his son,Geoffroi II de Charny
who after the death of his father claimed the Shroud to be an artifact along with a Catholic Priest.
They even used the shroud to earn money by selling indulgence in the forms of medals and replica
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Caleb Bell
Whether the shroud is authentic or not.
Whether the image is graven or not.
All arguments aside, that is a really nice statue.
Grayson Lopez
Hymn of the Pearl from thrid century states
Suddenly, I saw my image on my garment like in a mirror
Myself and myself through myself [or myself facing outward and inward]
As though divided, yet one likeness
Two images: but one likeness of the King [of kings in some translations]
Mozarabic Rite, used in sixth century Spain "Peter ran with John to the tomb and saw the recent imprints of the dead and risen man on the linens."
Pope Stephen II in eight century wrote "spread out his entire body on a linen cloth that was white as snow. On this cloth, marvelous as it is to see . . . the glorious image of the Lord's face, and the length of his entire and most noble body, has been divinely transferred."
And during sack of Constantinople Robert de Clari said: "Where there was the Shroud in which our Lord had been wrapped, which every Friday was raised upright so one could see the figure of our Lord on it. And none knows - neither Greek nor Frank - what became of that shroud when the city was taken."
Year later Theodore Angelos, a brother of Michael I Komnenos Doukas, to Pope Innocent III "The Venetians partitioned the treasures of gold, silver, and ivory while the French did the same with the relics of the saints and the most sacred of all, the linen in which our Lord Jesus Christ was wrapped after his death and before the resurrection. We know that the sacred objects are preserved by their predators in Venice, in France, and in other places, the sacred linen in Athens."