Persuasion thread

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

ITT post guns you are heavily considering purchasing and other Zig Forumsommandos tell you why you shouldn't, or recommend better options.

I really want to get an AR scr pistol in 410/45lc as a range toy/snake Slayer.

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buckstix.com/howitzer.htm
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8hUhsCTRU
m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlDO11MYxFU
czechpoint-usa.com/vz-61-pistol--765mm-br--?l=1
czechpoint-usa.com/vz-61-pistol--380-auto-?l=1
americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/3/4/223-remington-vs-556-whats-in-a-name/
robinsonarmament.com/xcr-l-rifle/

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

410/45lc
.45 Long Colt is pretty short and would, after the first shot or so, flop out of the magazine and into the upper to seize up the action.

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

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Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Well I'm more interested in the.410
I own one of those and while it is amazing, I would possibly look into siaga instead if I were you, because the long barrel gets a little cumbersome, and it has trouble cycling lighter loads.

Jose Harris
Jose Harris

the long barrel gets a little cumbersome
In this shithole the only way you're gonna get a rifle is through years of active competition in gun clubs, and I simply have no time for all that. Therefore a semi-auto shotgun with a longer barrel is the closest thing to a rifle I can legally own. I need it fam.
lighter loads
heavy load slugs and buckshot is the only thing I'm planning to kill commies protect my family with. And where I live I don't have to worry about a slug going through an albanian, through a wall, through another wall and killing the neighbors' child either

Wyatt Allen
Wyatt Allen

Then it is everything you will ever dream of buddy. Godspeed

Colton Gonzalez
Colton Gonzalez

Can you get a shotgun with a rifled choke/barrel? .410 has not really got any cause to exist, since everything it can do a 20 gauge can do much better and for not much more weight.

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

rifled choke/barrel
Nope, because then according to the government, it would turn my shotgun into a long-range marksman military rifle that kills innocent children from a mile away

John Turner
John Turner

Wait you can't buy rifled chokes?
Fuck me solid. Even we can do that!

12 gauge autoloader/pump and diabolo slugs it is for you IMO.

Anthony Clark
Anthony Clark

can own a semi-automatic shotgun
can't own a rifle
Why do we trust firearms legislation to retards? Assuming it's because of the nebulous threat of mass shootings, what are they hoping to achieve? Being able to fire ten shells downrange in half as many seconds is hardly going to make a dipshit think twice.

Joshua Myers
Joshua Myers

diabolo slugs
Can't find much information on these. Are they good?

Leo Reyes
Leo Reyes

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Real fucking good. Taofledermaus did a few videos on them, stupid accurate. I own the 28 gram (435gr/1oz) mold.Pretty much everything this ruski makes is gold, makes an exploding slug and a copy of the guilandi slug.

Caleb Ramirez
Caleb Ramirez

heavy load slugs is the only thing I'm planning protect my family with
Pretty bad idea, unless you really don't like your family
They just throw absolute retards in positions so they attack anything that gets in their view, resulting in randomness and stupidity. Their intent is to cause a legal mess they can translate into more leverage because tehy are the ones who decide how a law is read.

Christian Allen
Christian Allen

Pretty bad idea
Care to elaborate? Why wouldn't it be a good choice?
Looks breddy gud, thanks fam

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

To be fair russbro a slug is something you fight at a long way away with, like removing kebab across an olive field. You'd fill it with buckshot if you're sleeping.

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

He's talking about how heavy loaded slugs punch front to back on big ol' buffalo. You could ruin the day of not only the nigger trying it on your sister but also your neighbor the field over. Mind you, you could easily load the slugs to subsonic levels with super soft alloys and suddenly that's not an issue.

Easton Young
Easton Young

Why wouldn't it be a good choice?
Because slugs tend to penetrate. A lot.
Yeah, unless under "home defense" you mean "protect my rural property", then it's alright.

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

.410 is great for not obliterating grouse/pheasant/your garden when blasting floppy ear'd fucks.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

Except that considering that .410 needs a full choke to make a 40 inch pattern at 40 yards you'd still be picking shot out of your cabbages, moreso than a full choked 12. The best gun for removing chungus from your garden would be a 22lr tbh.

Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Mind you, you could easily load the slugs to subsonic levels with super soft alloys and suddenly that's not an issue.
Oh god, does this mean someone will begin marketing "positive expansion" slugs, "shotshell" slugs, or similar abortions?

Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett

PTR-32, and an AK-74 style rifle if I can ever find a decent one

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

Ak74s are getting more expensive in the states. 600+ for a century kit build. I have a century kit build it works reliably but I'm building a bulgy sidefolder kit in March. The barrels century used were never chromelined.
Good 74 builds can come from a trusted local builder, waffenwerks, Vepr and Saiga. I don't know anything about those JRA 74's that classic had for a while but they had chrome barrels.
Check armlist from time to time and see if you can get a deal on mags with the gun. Good surplus mags are 40$ a pop nowadays.

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

Mini-14 help
I want to buy a Mini-14 for PR reasons. I own a lot of black and tactical guns that are effective, which some are NFA, however, I want to keep a low-profile in a self-defense home-shooting scenario; therefore, I need to buy a non-spooky gun, but needs to be effective.

Stainless steel? Blued? I'd want my rifle to be 2nd pic, or would that be too tactical/spooky? How about the older one with a wooden top cover?

Thanks.

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Logan Walker
Logan Walker

I want to get a Marlin model 60 for teaching my daughter how to shoot, and also for fun. Another main reason is cost.
Is there any alternative I should look at?

Blake Hernandez
Blake Hernandez

Ruger 10/22. The detachable magazine will make it more fun to shoot. Expect to drop $200 not including tax. Buy it new.

Nathan Clark
Nathan Clark

Its a hell of a lot less shot I'd be picking out. 22lr over .410 is just wonderful for pest removal.
Just get a new one, they don't have the pencil barrel problem. If you're in any possibility thinking about using it as a truck gun get the stainless.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

Should I?

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William Wilson
William Wilson

Yes. I will tell you right now there is no joy greater than skeeting with such a device.

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

Honestly famalam, my advice would be to say fuck the mini-14 drop an extra 75-100 and go whole hog on an m1 carbine.
You will not have to worry about over penetration. You will get to enjoy a historical asthetic when taking your firearm to the range. It will most likely come with a bayonet lug if you get a post ww2 clone. It is prettier to look at. And your pawpaw will smile upon you from heaven. Honestly it just generally sounds more enjoyable than a mini-14 with only a minor extra expenditure. I'm younger though, so I'm sure there is a reason I'm wrong though…

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

I'm thinking about a 12 GA Maverick 88 as a beater truck gun I won't miss too much if anything happens to it.

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Jason Perez
Jason Perez

Buying .30 is harder and likely more expensive and the magazines are really bad. Getting wooden furniture for an AR-15 sounds like it'd be just as effective at hiding the "salt wepen" stigma.
If you're not intent on sticking with 5.56 I think there's plenty of semiautomatic carbines with a "safe" aesthetic that can be had for less; shit, you could just take the bayonet off a SKS and maybe modify it to take detachable magazines.

David Jenkins
David Jenkins

Buy it, buy some slugs, load your shotgun, put it in your mouth, point up, and blow your brains out.
You'll probably fuck it up like the stupid mutt you are, though.

Cameron Anderson
Cameron Anderson

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Julian James
Julian James

Calling me a kike won't change the fact that you are a mutt. Probably part nigger, too. Kill yourself.

Adam Reed
Adam Reed

Why do we trust firearms legislation to retards?

You know that answer exactly as well as I do goyim.

Zachary Martin
Zachary Martin

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Jace Price
Jace Price

Pic related

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Landon Gray
Landon Gray

Holy hell why would anyone bother to buy this piece of shit? Just get a real functional platform and order some custom wood furnitures if you are that autistic.

Joshua Sanchez
Joshua Sanchez

On the one hand it's a shit gun, on the other Breivik did pretty well with it…

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Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

He's one of those peeps that wears the Gmail logo on their pants, though. Wouldn't trust his story.

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

Do it.
buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

Carson Perez
Carson Perez

Is there any reason you wouldn't go for a rifled breech loader? It's not considered a Destructive Device as long as you use bagged powder with a percussion cap, and a Whitworth breech and Debange obdurator wouldn't be that difficult to make.

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

That was the issue I kept running into on gunbroker. A lot of nothing, beat up and overpriced arsenals, and those JRAs which I know nothing about. I got a buddy whose a gunsmith down in La whose shops specializes in AKs. I need to quit being a faggot, and just have him build one. Another buddy found a WASR at a pawn shop in Montana that had a triangle folding stock for $450. For some reason, it's fucking speaking to me. Any advice on wasr's? I think it sounds like a good deal, but I'm not the most well versed on them. I like the idea of avoiding having to do trunion work to get those afghan aesthetics. Possibly good for a beater rifle?

Chase Ramirez
Chase Ramirez

who's* definitely being a faggot

Grayson Clark
Grayson Clark

Like this?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8hUhsCTRU

Or this?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlDO11MYxFU

At least what I propose can be done already with low brinell alloys in combination with slugs like the sveroboy.

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

I want a 50 BMG thats as easy to maintain as possible, thoughts on the Serbu RN-50?

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Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

If you want the Fudd aesthetic I feel like there are better options out there. An SKS will also look non-tacticool, shoots relatively common ammo, and even the good Russian ones are cheaper than a Mini-14. And you get to keep a piece of history, too, as opposed to a Fudd's fever dream.

Daniel James
Daniel James

Buying the cheapest possible product that will function as such is rarely if ever the most cost effective solution. If you're going to spend nearly a grand on a gun, why wouldn't you spend a couple hundred more and get a single shot bolt action instead of a glorified zip gun? And if that couple hundred extra is really going to make or break you, I would reconsider the purchase entirely; the thing may as well be chambered in $5 bills.

Parker Butler
Parker Butler

The price isn't an important factor, I'm more interested in being able to maintain it myself over a long period of time with limited access to tools. From my experience break action is decisively more reliable and this is the only break action 50 BMG rifle I know of.

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

It's not even a 'real' break-action though, it's got a breech cap that threads over the ass end of the barrel.

What maintenance do you expect you'll be able to do to a break action that you wouldn't be able to do to a single shot bolt action? Worst case scenario the extractor or ejector spring fails and you have to poke the cartridge out of the breech with your cleaning rod.

Ethan James
Ethan James

Armalite makes a nice bmg 50. It's twice what a serbu costs. If you are lucky and safety Harbor freight gets their shit together you can get an upper for an ar lower if cost is that much of an issue. Or if you are absolutely mad and have access to a machine shop, you can build up a madi Griffin the off may be floating around.

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

I haven't actually messed with a bolt action before, looking at diagrams they seem a lot simpler than I assumed. Thanks for the advice!

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

I want a vz. 58.

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Logan Gray
Logan Gray

there was a time when they were $400

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

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Xavier Morgan
Xavier Morgan

Wasr's were imported by century (not built) for 450 you can't go wrong and I have never heard of a wasr with a triangle sidefolder so it sounds underpriced. Worst case senario you have to rebarrel it and you already know who to go to for that.

William Thomas
William Thomas

I will always regret trading mine.

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

I want to get an M76 because I like the idea of an AK in 8mm Mauser and maybe to kill boars.

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Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

I've been toying with the idea of building a Remington 700 short action in .223/5.56 as a varmint gun. It's basically the AR-15 / 10-22 / Glock / CJ-5 of bolt actions, the aftermarket's so big you can build one from scratch without using a single OEM part. Plus I really like the idea of a bolt action feeding from a double stack detachable magazine that you can still top up with stripper clips, and I think I can make that happen.

Problem is, once you price it out, it's more cost effective just to build an AR.
just get a Mossberg Varmint and Predator if you want a bolt action that takes AR mags
The mag release sucks, the cartridge pusher bolt face tab doesn't inspire confidence, and they don't sell one in the configuration I want.

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Ryan Barnes
Ryan Barnes

5.56 bolt actions
Something about these has always confused me. If you want a 5.56 gun, why not an AR or any of the stupid boutique guns that fire it? If you want a bolt action, why not .220 swift for varmints or even just go for .308 and be able to shoot everything from 125gr varmint loads to big boy 220gr? I can't see any reason to put .223rem in a bolt action for any reason other than ammo availability and interchangeability, and to me that's not a good enough reason to get a rifle in such an unremarkable cartridge over any of the superior alternatives. Also, staggered feed bolt actions give me an irrational sense of discomfort.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

If you want a 5.56 gun, why not an AR or any of the stupid boutique guns that fire it?
Fudd-ish tenancies. I like bolt guns, I feel self-loaders encourage you to dump ammo rather than being deliberate with your shots, I don't do any of the tacticool run-and-gun stuff where a semi-auto would be useful, and if I was ever in need of a 'fighting rifle' I'd want something in a full size rifle cartridge.
Even so, building an AR would still be the most economical and straightforward option, thus the dissonance with which I'm struggling to reconcile.

or even just go for .308
I have an irrational hatred for the cartridge. I already own milsurp in 30-06 and the thought of splitting my ammo pool for a round that's essentially the same damn thing minus a half inch of case length pains my autism.

and to me that's not a good enough reason to get a rifle in such an unremarkable cartridge over any of the superior alternatives
Okay, but consider it from the other side. .223/5.56 is cheap, everywhere, and adequate for the intended purpose. (short-to-medium range plinking, precision shooting, and varminting) Why would I switch to a boutique cartridge, paying a premium for factory ammo or else rolling my own, for a marginal increase in performance?

Also, staggered feed bolt actions give me an irrational sense of discomfort.
Doesn't that include the majority of bolt action service rifles?

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

Don't listen to the haters, there is a lot of fun in a nail driver of a bolt gun in a smaller round. My dad had a 22-250 Rem 700 with a bullbarrel, love that gun to death. Yes I know 22-250 ain't the same but you can get a damn good rifle based on what you're aiming for. Just get a nice thick bull barrel, 16-18 inches will still give you enough power for varmiting and punching holes in paper.

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

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Landon Evans
Landon Evans

Why should/shouldn't I get an FAL, Zig Forums?

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Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

Can you afford .308 in bulk? Its usually the determining factor of guns in said caliber because plinking off a mag or two just doesn't do it for guns like that.
They're breddy great. I'd advise on getting one.

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Bentley Sanchez
Bentley Sanchez

this thing looks like a cut down AR version of a SKS

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

Because they're kind of expensive, tilting bolt and not free-floated. There's not really many better options for .308 though.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

Why not?

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Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

Been on the fence on that one for a while as a shitbull gun (something to stick in a coat pocket if I'm walking the dogs in case of loose pitbulls or coyotes). It isn't quite small enough for pocket carry and doesn't have the capacity of something slightly larger like a RAMI. I'll probably still get one though.

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Because there's this

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Benjamin Rogers
Benjamin Rogers

revolver
hammerless
gay/10
also, out of all the firearms that I've owned the only brand that has really left a bad taste in my mouth is ruger.

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

Been thinking of picking up a Winchester Model of 1892 reproduction Carbine. Currently leaning toward 45 LC but I am willing to hear the pros and cons of the other options.

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Dylan Evans
Dylan Evans

I kinda want to get a vz 61 repro. Should I get it in the original 7.65 to be more accurate to the original or in .380 for better availability? Anyone have experience with these ones?
czechpoint-usa.com/vz-61-pistol--765mm-br--?l=1
czechpoint-usa.com/vz-61-pistol--380-auto-?l=1

Jayden Richardson
Jayden Richardson

only brand that has really left a bad taste in my mouth is ruger
Storytime?

Dominic Peterson
Dominic Peterson

The .380 is a lot less picky on its food.

Andrew Young
Andrew Young

I want to buy a Hi Point 995 chambered in 9x19

Cheap
Semi-auto
Not 22lr
I can own it in my state
Exists
Can’t find any other gun that meets those 5 requirements

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Colton Parker
Colton Parker

$250-$425 depending on version
Holy shit thats pretty cheap.
What shithole do you live in, user?

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

Massachusetts. I’ve only got an FID, though. So even though I could own one, almost all semi-auto non-22lr rifles are “assault rifles” (which I can’t own). Even if I had an LTC, I’ve never seen a semi-auto non-22lr rifle in this state that was under $700 (apart from those Hi-Point carbines). I assume this is because it’s illegal to take new “assault rifles” into this state. I know that it’s illegal to take new magazines with a capacity of over 10 rounds into this state.

I just checked a few local gun store websites. There’s actually a $700 SKS. This may very well be the only chance I get at one. I’ve only got $1000 in my bank account. I hate the fact that I’m actually contemplating this.

Carter Cruz
Carter Cruz

There’s actually a $700 SKS
What a fucking time to be alive, when an SKS at $700 could be considered as a reasonable purchase.

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

Fuck the state. Its time we stop listening to its bullshit. Just buy a gun that you are allowed to own out of state and bring it in. What are the chance some one will run the serial numbers?

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

I paid $800 for mine 6 or 7 years ago. I can't believe they're $1200+ now.

Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

Hold up. I don’t mean to detract from the OP but do you care to elaborate? Specifically: “can’t bring assault weapons into the state”?
I’m a former masshole of many years and was planning to move back for financial reasons. Does this mean I won’t be able to bring my SKS back with me?
Fortunately the town I’m from is good on LTCs but being frank I still don’t fully grasp the gun laws there. I’m already aware I can’t bring my ARs (legally) bit didn’t think this was an across the board semi auto thing

Jason Wright
Jason Wright

Walther PPQ

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Asher Myers
Asher Myers

Range buddy has one. I generally detest striker fired DAO but the reset on that weapon is so fast id buy one if i came across one for a good price.

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

I only have a 10/22 right now to learn on. I want to get a .22 handfun to practice pistol fundamentals. I was going to get a Ruger Mk. 4 but this showed up at Shot Show. Kel-Tec CP33. It has 33 rounds of .22 with a 50 round extension. Full rail and even weight distribution. I know
leltec
but it looks to be accurate and reliable from the demo videos posted so far. So should I go for Mk. 4 or wait for this?

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Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

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Luke Foster
Luke Foster

My Ruger MK IV 22/45 Lite is a tack driver, but what I love most about it is how easy it is to take apart to clean.

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Cooper Lewis
Cooper Lewis

I want a nice multirole firearm.
Ideally:
fun to shoot
not wildly exotic
satisfactory for home defense
accurate across the length of ~2 football fields (my max available range distance)

I
live in lefty suburbia
am middle class
had a dissipator AR build but sold it after hating how long and unwieldy it was

Is there any reason I shouldn't buy a Bren pistol?
Coming from an AR-15, I find it odd that the Bren doesn't come in 556 NATO… Would the 223 or the 7.62 better suit my needs?

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Eli Price
Eli Price

accurate across the length of ~2 football fields
Use normal units like yards you fucking Americlap, not everything has to be related to muh niggerball.

I find it odd that the Bren doesn't come in 556 NATO
It does

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Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

the Bren doesn't come in 556 NATO
?

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Colton Myers
Colton Myers

a 16 inch barrel is unwieldy to you
What the fuck

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Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

Looks like I'm retarded. I read the description a number of times but never confirmed with the spec sheet:
Chambered in 223 and 7.62×39, each is available in several barrel lengths. AR-15 style magazines are used for 223 variants, whereas in 7.62 the factory’s magazines are used to ensure last round hold-open and consistent feeding.

I assumed "chambered in 223" meant 223 only. AR's in burgerstan are described as 223 only if they won't take 556.

My left shoulder is fucked up and the extra length was difficult to accurately handle after a while. Shorter barrels let me shoot for longer.

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Noah Reyes
Noah Reyes

AR's in burgerstan are described as 223 only if they won't take 556
That's a meme, .223 chambered rifles can fire 5.56 fine.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

They are different cartridges. The pressures are different for one. The throat lengths are different too. The differences are the whole motivation behind the .223 Wylde chambering.
americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/3/4/223-remington-vs-556-whats-in-a-name/

That said, I have seen rifles which have '223' stamped on them somewhere, but which are fine with 5.56 NATO. You really have to read the technical specifications.

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David King
David King

At that price get a new vz.58

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

That is one handsome firearm. Cheaper too. I'll have to read up on it and see if I can find one in stock.
Thanks, Strelok.

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Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

I am purchasing a 224 valkyrie barrel and I am purchasing a 22 pistol for my Gf because I am trying to get her to learn pistol shooting because the 9mm I bought her she doesn't seem to do so well with it (she anticipates the recoil on the 9mm to hard)

So, is there a better way to ease her into a 9mm other than buying a 22?

Elijah King
Elijah King

Actually, no. I'm a firm believer everyone should start out on PELLET (not BB) air pistol to learn fundamentals, then ease into 22lr as a cheap and easy way to learn firearm pistol fundamentals, THEN get into a serious caliber. Militaries don't have time to do this incremental training, but you do. Let them swim in the shallow pool before dumping them into the river, no matter how mild the wild may be.

Charles Allen
Charles Allen

She is amazing with a rifle, it's just pistol she is marginally sub-par with, and even with a 22 she did good. It was a new 9mm, but I honestly think I may have to get a 22 for training. As for a pellet gun,i am afraid she will go postal on the backyard squirrels to a concerning degree.

Elijah Morales
Elijah Morales

I am purchasing a 224 valkyrie barrel
Why? It's shit

Hudson Price
Hudson Price

The one with the 16" barrel weighs a tad over 6lbs.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

Because she is interested in longer range shooting and I don't think she is ready for something with the kick of a creedmore yet.

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

6.5 Grendel is soft shooting and a lot more versatile. I think it's a bit cheaper, too.

Adam Myers
Adam Myers

Grendel instead of Creedmore or Valkyrie because it's a bit more versatile and cheaper. What are the downsides of it beside it being a proprietary round?

Ethan Reyes
Ethan Reyes

Thinking of turning my old hi point carbine into a bullpup.

The stock costs more than the gun, but it seems like it might be worth it.

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Landon Cook
Landon Cook

I'd get one of those in .50 beowulf

Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

SKS doesn’t count as an assault rifle if it has a 10 round magazine. MA G.L. c. 140, § 121 gives a list of what’s an “assault rifle” and what’s not.

Christopher White
Christopher White

proprietary round?
It's not proprietary is it? Plenty of manufacturers are making guns chambered for it and ammo is becoming more common, with some armies even thinking of adopting it.
What are the downsides of it
Not being .308 or 5.56? Having it available only for ARs and bolt actions? Can't think of any other.

James Scott
James Scott

They're probably going to release a double stack model in the coming months to pair with their new double stack pistols, wait a bit.

because she is interested in longer range shooting
.224 Valk has absolutely atrocious accuracy though, it's worse in every way than 77gr 5.56 or 6.5 grendel but double the cost. Federal can shill "MUH SUPERSONIC AT 1000 YARDS!" but it doesn't matter if it has 4 MOA accuracy at 100.
Check out TGC's look into .224, they spent thousands of dollars and months trying to fine tune the accuracy by selecting the best twist rates, barrels, ammo and even using barrel coolers between shots and they still couldn't get it to shoot near 1 MOA.

Just get an 18" or 20" 1:7 AR in .223/5.56 and feed it 77gr OTM if you want long range accuracy.

Dylan Sullivan
Dylan Sullivan

Another note, .224 is also so high pressure and velocity that it just shreds bores out in a few hundred rounds. Federal took the cave man pill of "grug put more boom dust and heavier death rock in firestick, make firestick more boom-boom" without considering barrel life whatsoever.

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

Anything that is chambered in 7.62x39 can be rebarreled for 6.5 grendel, almost like 6.5CM is just a barrel swap on a .308 gun.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

From my friend who is a gunsmith, he said that Grendel does the same thing with killing bolts so essentially I am either shredding bolts or barrels. I want something that will last longer.

I do have a nice rifle with a 1:7 twist rate, but it's a bolt gun (which once again GF likes because I have made the thing where it has no kick at all and the scope I put on it makes it really easy to see what you want to hit) and she and I want something else in semi automatic. Also AR style is easier to customize and Goth Waifu wants it in black and red (which holy shit this is going to probably at the end of the day be more expensive of a build than my 50 cal or my pet project 4 bore.), though to be quite franks she is more interested in the Grendel than the Valkyrie at this point because of the kick.

Anthony Myers
Anthony Myers

The reason why x39 bolts break in AR's is due to them just milling out the face of a .223 bolt leaving a really weakened lugs.

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

Neat. So a solution to this is buying a higher quality bolt or one specific to the Grendel?

Levi Reed
Levi Reed

In reality there really isn't a solution, its more of a matter of luck. Only difference between a grendel bolt and x39 is .012 of an inch. If you're dead set on something in 6.5, build an AR-10 in 6.5 CM and set a decent break on it.

Jack Parker
Jack Parker

he said that Grendel does the same thing with killing bolts
Yeah, if you wanna get a grendel, I wouldn't get an AR-15 based platform, people just mill out the bolt face until the walls of the bolt are, like, 1/16" and wonder why they break. There are other firearms chambered in 6.5 Grendel with proper bolts though, such as the XCR-L or some AK variants (I think Vepr has some). We'll just have to wait for an AR-10 based 6.5 Grendel rifle akin to the CMMG Mutant.

And if you want customisability, RA has a gunbuilder type meme thing on their website that's pretty fun, you can custom tune your rifle to whatever you want. robinsonarmament.com/xcr-l-rifle/

Like I said, a 1:7" 18-20" AR-15 with heavy ammo is probably your best bet. But if you wanna be a good colonial goy and support British cartridge designers, then get something like an XCR in 6.5 Grendel.

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Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

Then i fucking want a 6.5 grendel PTR32 RIGHT NOW.

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Nolan Rogers
Nolan Rogers

tfw no 5.45 PTR-32
tfw no 5.56 PTR anything

Ryan James
Ryan James

5.45 PTR-32
Eh, not really worth the effort but ok.
no 5.56 PTR anything
Literally a HK33, the first one of the bunch in this action length.

Kayden Murphy
Kayden Murphy

eh, not really worth the effort but ok.
5.45 is the best cartridge currently fielded by any military tbh. Obongo ruined it's potential by banning it, there's literally zero downsides compared to 7.62x39.

literally a HK33
But PTR doesn't make one, just shitty Vector and Century ones

Connor Lopez
Connor Lopez

Why would anybody want an HK33? So many better 5.56 guns that don't use HK meme mags. They should focus on making cheaper MP5 clones tbh. They should also make some HK21E clones too.

Camden Bennett
Camden Bennett

best cartridge currently fielded by any military
Not much of an accomplishment tbh. Especially since it won't increase its accessibility unless your or your neighbor military uses it. Also soon to be wrong if Serbia actually accepts 6.5 grendel.
there's literally zero downsides compared to 7.62x39
Aside from poor terminal performance, less muzzle energy and worse mags.
But PTR doesn't make one, just shitty Vector and Century ones
True, they should, or better yet, make PTR32 in 6.5 grendel with even less efforts for something actually practical not only as a range toy or testament to military retardation.
HK meme mags
I'd honestly pick any curved "meme" mag over the retarded piece of shit that are stanag straight magwell ones. But especially for the likes of you HK made an abomination called HK G41.
HK21E
Without full fun? That's a mean joke, m8.

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

Deciding between getting the AK-V or the MP5 by PSA.

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Grayson Baker
Grayson Baker

The AKV has a lot of QC issues at the moment, dunno about the MP5 though.

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

Hence why I didn't buy the first gen AKV. MP5 still isn't out but seeing as they've pretty much delayed it for a whole other year it's probably going to be pretty good to go.

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