British Tank Force Falls to the Lowest Level Since WW1
Defence chiefs have expressed anger that Britain is to mothball a third of its tanks, leaving it with fewer than Serbia, Cambodia or Burma.
The military is planning to revamp only 148 of its 227 Challenger 2 tanks because of cost constraints, The Times has learnt. That would send the armed forces down to 56th in the global league table of number of tanks available.
The remainder of the Challenger 2s, which entered service between 1998 and 2002, are expected to be used for parts. It is possible that some could be patched up for deployment in an emergency. …
Budget started getting tight, more and more welfare recipients keep immigrating… what is a nation to do but mothball its army in order to maintain gibs at a stable level?
Connor Bell
To be fair the UK doesn't need tanks to defend their actual interests. Now to be a NATO "partner" and good goy you need more than that but if we're talking defending the interest of the UK citizens in matter of national security, UK is a fucking island and exactly no one they're on bad terms with is capable to invade them. Even if they were, the fact that have subs with nukes make sure it won't. You could reduce the entire UK land forces to whatever is left of the Royal marines backed with a small but decent expeditionary fleet to secure UK citizens abroad when SHTF and that would be perfectly enough. How much tanks do you need for that? 12? 36 for spares and 24/7 12 tanks ready to be shipped out?
What they need is ships and planes to secure their borders and the occasional threats to bomb the shit out of 3rd worlders if they don't behave. Both of which they cruelly lack.
Joshua Carter
Today, 20 april 2019, no. But NATO and EU are on the brink of extinction and Europe is going to have hard times ahead and in periods of uncertainty it is very irresponsible to weaken militarily. For instance, now Spain and UK are allies, but tomorrow without NATO they can (and probably will) be foes. Then UK is not a reliable NATO partner. With a lower budget every year, how many of these tanks will be available when SHTF? 30%? Now consider this reality to all land force, not only tanks, and the result is incapacity to project power beyond its borders or even defend itself against internal/external enemies or both altogether in the short/mid term. We are not in 11th century. It's way more easy to invade an island nowadays. With AAVs, helibornes, paratroopers and so on, you can traverse the english channel like a river. Irrational fear. When the first nuke explodes and both sides see that the nuclear war is not all that, they will use them like conventional artillery. Also this.
Pic related. When our irish friends and muslins all over UK realize the british weakness expect for a lot of fun. And I will not be surprised if some neighbors "join" the party too.
Is it in a worse state then right before the Falkland War? It was quite a challenge then to fight a nation that had advance weapons, the UK would probably get raped now against below average forces.
Camden Hall
please use archives and also avoid reddit spacing in the future OP
Thomas Moore
It's funny that you mention Spain, don't they have a rather large tank force for a NATO member?
Austin Hernandez
You could hand over some of them if you really don't need them, Britain.
Elijah Sullivan
What would it take to invade and conquer Great Britain in CY+4 militarily?
Nathan Martin
Doesn't british army exist primarily for civilian suppression nowadays? You don't need all that many tanks against civilians/"british terrorist".
Gavin Adams
Unironically shouldn't take more than ~10,000 troops and some artillery to conquer the entire country within 3 months
Oh right a burger. Why in the name of fuck would UK fight with Russia or even more laughably the US? Let's assume you're right for a minute and UK double it's tank force to a whooping 400 something what would it change if that were the case???
Spain is fucking bankrupt in every way but the name. They're only allowed to pretend they aren't to the whim of the biggest institutional European banks and insurances companies… AKA (((british))) ones. The minute they try to take Gibraltar or any other bright ideas is the minute that they stop getting credits and won't have a cent to pay their own soldiers and go back to being a third world country. FFS do you even know that BEFORE the end of the Cold War the Spanish couldn't even CLOTHE it's full complement of soldiers? As in they couldn't afford them fucking uniforms!!! If you think things are better now after even more vicious cuts than what France and UK have known (in 1981 the army botched a fucking coup… and got caught making another one in 1982 every government since has been busy ensuring the Spanish army is completely toothless). Also Spain is like Sweden, they've never experience WWI or WWII, the closest they've been to modern warfare was the civil war that was far more anti-insurgency combat (which they were never competent at, which explain why it lasted that long) than actual maneuver warfare. The result of this is they c/c what the US told them without understanding shit. "You need lots of professional NCO" = sends a bunch of guys to NCO school making it a second officer corps instead of a "raised from the ground up" competent small unit leader making them completely useless. -> "Officers need high education, ideally technical education" = military academies starts issuing college diplomas… "You need modern platforms" = Buy modern equipment… without the industrial basis to sustain them. Let alone the knowledge basis to operate them.
The British police in Gibraltar can probably duke it out long enough with the Spanish army to wait for UK marines to arrive…
No it's not. Especially in a contested air and naval situation. Let alone the fact that besides the US and arguably China NO FUCKING ONE ON THE PLANET can actually land even a brigade size element in one go.
Zachary Wright
Nothing pisses me off more than this. It's so absurdly difficult to get into an officer academy because the system is retarded and you're being tested on subjects that have literally nothing to do with the military. The end result is the only ones who become officers are weaklings who did well in school because all they did 24/7 in their childhood is study whatever worthless subject they were told to. Only way to become an officer should be by field experience
Easton Williams
You want officer with technical diplomas because those are an accurate validation of logico-mathematic intelligence IE their capacity to reason in the abstract and understand complex interactions. That way you know they might retain some of the shit taught at officers school and even if they don't they might still be capable of improvising a decent plan and not completely fuck up. Then and only then, you comission then as LIEUTENANTS, you pair them with a competent senior NCO (that was brought up from the rank and file and is a professional soldier with typically a decade of experience. And will teach soldiering) and you promote them through field experience.
That's how a modern army (in theory) works and when it's properly applied, it's working fucking great.
Oliver Watson
So what would hypothetically happen to the Spanish economy if one were to hypothetically McVeigh the European Central Bank with no survivors? Hypothetically speaking.
Asher Robinson
Do this but also get rid of half of trident to free up more money for shipbuilding, I would rather have only a few nukes for a last resort and a big navy defending the isles than billions a year spent maintaining 4 nuclear capable submarines, we can make do with 40 nuclear warheads.
Juan Rogers
Too bad, Australian military isn’t powerful enough to conquer the motherland and recolonise with surplus of Australian Anglo-Celticans. Australian Anglo-Celtican population is bigger than motherland, Canada and USA.
Gabriel Smith
In purely hypothetical terms what would happen to Spain in that scenario would be pretty similar to what would happen to France, Germany, and the other EU countries - only so much worse. The Euro would either officially cease to exist or would drop to Venezuela/Occupied Rhodesia levels of hyperinflation. In that scenario countries would either start issuing their own money again and slowly build their way back up to 'not destitute' over the next few decades/century or the Euro would fragment making an Italian Euro an independent currency to a Polish Euro (basically the same but keeping the name). The Spanish economy would not be able to recover or survive the way that most of the rest of Europe could though, they'd most likely stay at the Occupied Rhodesia-tier bottom of the barrel until someone else either conquered them or imposed order another way.
It sounds good in theory (even if reducing the number of nukes would be a very bitter pill), but the problem is that it would be the same collection of chucklefuck politicians in control of the naval rearmament. It would be a small mercy if the updated royal navy wasn't completely redesigned to be a very expensive bus service for F35's or something equally retarded.
Samuel Phillips
If the Argentinians screamed Allahu Ackbar while attacking, British forces would surrender to not look racist.
Sounds good. For land forces, focus on marines. Proceed to clean up at home. Then wait until America's civil war 2.0 kicks off and send landing forces to give India a Pearl Harbor moment and retake the Empire.
Jose Gomez
Now we talking, New England for the English.
Obviously it would require rather large radical changes in government to be done correctly.
Lincoln Kelly
Wouldn't keeping a handful of nukes be useless with improving missile defense technology?
James Adams
Worst comes to the worst we can just nuke ourselves, not really sure who would even risk an invasion anyway.
Blake Nguyen
You mean blowing up the building or actually stopping them from printing money to buy toxic assets from banks and state debts? Blowing up the building would do exactly nothing save a few weird days in trading. That shit isn't on central servers and actual printers, it's heavily heavily decentralized and literally designed to survive such events.
Stopping them would plunge Europe and probably the world in an instant recession that would make the 1929 crash look like a cake walk.
Carter Cooper
The only real resistance you'll get, after their initial attempt to form barricades and contain / restrict the invasion with riot police fails, is in the muslim "no-go" zones that are self-policed. The military will never even have a chance to engage beyond some lights skirmishes around their bases.
Kayden Scott
What they neglect to mention is that only ~50 of those tanks are ready for action at any given time. Remaining are in storage, maintenance, laid up etc. Countries like Serbia maintain a higher level of readiness.
Hell Poland and Turkey probably have the strongest NATO armies after America itself.
Lucas Foster
There's a lot more to do after that.
There should be work done to improve delivery methods to mitigate the defensive improvements over the last decade or so. Even if that never happens though we'll disarm the day after you (and the French, and the Russians, and the Chinese, and Israel, etc etc etc) do.
They're the claims made by the 13 colonies in 1783. Once you guys started manifesting your destiny out to the west I think that a lot of the east coast states started claiming that their borders would extend from where they were at that point out until they hit the Pacific.
Eli Green
Well no. Nuke is still going to do it's job in the diplomatic field as a deterrent, and it doesn't matter if there's 2 or 200 of them.
Mason Campbell
The old map is insane. I thought the current USA map is worse but I am wrong. I was laughing for 10 minutes!
Zachary Miller
Who cares about Tanks? Do we have Maritime Patrol Aircraft yet?
Joseph Moore
The Nimrods were retired in 2011, since then not so much - don't worry though, I'm sure there's an F35 variant that's been custom built for Maritime patrol work :^). That being said, this could be a perfect job for something like pic related, it meets all the criteria and would be cheap AF to build and run by modern standards. Am I just being an autist with that idea? it's hard to tell sometimes
Do you have any right-wing movements in the country? Doesn't have to be a political party, even a simple group of armed people is good enough at this point
Leo Hall
We have a lot of angry people but if they are organizing they're doing it very quietly.
We did but the state does a very good job (and tbh ourselves) at stopping them, the BNP was the 5th largest party in the UK back in 2010 with like 600k votes and it was a straight up British/white nationalist party (had it's own paramilitary and everything), it's collapse after that election through mismanagement and state invention coupled with the death of a few of the major far right players meant everything became disorganised and it's yet to recover, there's plenty of weird little streetfighting groups like the EDL and such, but they aren't really politically capable of much.
As the other lad said, plenty of angry people without a proper channel for that anger, I know a lot of lads are dying for a proper party again but it's difficult to get one up and running without money in this country (the BNP could only afford to run in like 1/4th of the seats the other 4 parties could) and no one is going to fund something like that. The Englishman lives, he's just being repeatedly bashed over the head with a shovel every time he tries to get out of the grave our rulers have dug for us.
I never understood this. Bongs are genuinely more concerned with immigrants from Poland than with Pakis
Jason Smith
They got infiltrated by (((moderates))) who successfully abolished the whites-only policy, causing all of the actual far-right members to break off into three smaller parties.
Gabriel Collins
Nigel is a civic nationalist boomer who is funded by his various banking buddies, he fully supports mass immigration as long as they are former colonies (and can make said buddies rich), UKIP are useless but still around, they both need to fuck off and let a new party rise up honestly, the country is ripe for it, specially with this mishandling of Brexit and the general sordid state of affairs.
Mismanagement and infiltration by state spies (made easier by a load of problems inside the party that I won't go into), do not forget that the Tory government, yes the one that is meant to be "conservative" and "right wing", formed a literal anti-fascist group who physically attacked BNP party members and tried to shut down their meetings using a "leaked" member list which was posted on wikileaks back in 2010 (and it was totally some random hacker and not GCHQ/Mi5)
We don't really like either but hating eastern Europeans isn't censored as heavily.
Henry Cooper
England Defamation League?
Grayson Scott
Hating eastern Europeans doesn't get you thrown in prison so it's the most vocal one (plus Polish migration has had the biggest employment effects on white working class communities, you rarely see Pakistani or Indian builders for example), when you actually speak to people they want the poles and the paki's gone.
Owen Jenkins
Well, maybe if perfidious albion didn't sell Poland and (Eastern Europe in general) to the Soviets during the war, went along with giving War reparations for Poland into Soviet Pool (Poland got nothing in exchange for the amazing ability for people to actually live in Silesia as renouncing war reparations was a condition for soviets to stop strip-mining Upper Silesia), didn't recognize (((PKWN))) as legitimate government nobody from Poland would come to West.
Thomas Gonzalez
There is also the fact that a moneyed Polish elite actively buying out the UK doesn't really exist, unlike the various subcontinentals.
Luis Parker
English Defence League, it's a group of Football firms/hooligans who formed an anti-Islamic group, used to be ran by Tommy Robinson who is a massive Zionist shill.
Can't do anything about that now can we, I swear like 90% of immigrants are here due to some weird revenge fantasy.
Levi Hill
All according to plan. (^:
Ryder King
So how come there are 10 times as many of you in the UK as there are in Russia when the Russians are the ones who actually invaded you?
Jack Hughes
Fuck, that's a tough one.
Blake Gutierrez
So really you only care about historical grievances when you can get some free money out of it.
Zachary Young
Enemy hurting you is more acceptable than an ally's betrayal.
Julian Smith
So if the Russians were taking you in and giving you welfare money, you would still come here out of revenge?
Gabriel Ramirez
No? unfortunate as it is, I'm not a spokesman of, and the supreme authority over all the Poles though.
Tyler Nguyen
Then why even bother giving the woe is me speech if you admit you're just following the money?
Third worlder immigrants come for gibs, with their outliers that are rich, intelligent and well educated are replacing the traditional britbong rich elite that is dying and forgot to have kids. EEu migrants come almost exclusively to work, typically through EU schemes allowing them to work a good polish wage for an UK job (or at the very least without paying the various mandatory social costs for an UK company), which makes it a very low wage to pay out from the employer perspective. The result of this is that the poor working class actually see Poles people working all the semi-skilled and skilled jobs they used to be doing and know full well they can't compete as their nationality make it impossible for them to be payed as low as EEu workers.
They don't see the third worlder doing it… because they don't, they do either completely non-skilled jobs for most of them and highly skilled jobs for their "elite" (where the few kids of what is left of the "middle class" that graduate to find diversity hires everywhere go insane, single and unemployed… finishing it off).
Colton Sanchez
Isn't protecting their homeland from hordes of ackbars an actual interest?
Brandon Sanchez
This but it should be much easier for sergeants to reach officer rank and women should be prohibited from applying.
David Taylor
oy vey, the actual terrorists are the white nazis, not the poor people of color
Ayden Murphy
The real question is why do we have 2,300 tanks for a country the size of fucking iceland?
Mason Brown
Most of their tanks are T-72s tho UK would still win.
Henry Phillips
Why do you need an army when you're inviting the enemy in and giving him monthly tributes?
The UK,France,and America needs to get rid of their nukes like South Africa did.
Tyler Jones
So you can defeat Best Worst Korea?
Zachary Perry
Tanks are useless. You don't need them if have the air force and a shit ton of drones with antitank missiles.
Luis Kelly
I guess this is as good of a thread as any to ask this question, so what the actual fuck happened when developing the FV510 Warrior that made it see the light of day in the year of our lord 1988 with no fucking stabilizer? The commander doesn't even get his own rotating periscope to scan with and needs to override the turret away from the gunner to look around too! It just boggles my fucking mind that a supposed first world country would have a mainline armored fighting vehicle lacking something so necessary and honestly just expected to have as it was so commonly used by all sides since the 50s.
Why doesn't SK have an armored burger or Taco dispenser where starving NK troops eat their final meal before proceeding to shit themselves to death due to nutrient deficiencies ?
Landon Lee
Why pay soldiers when you can just conscript them with no pay and use said money on useless shit like SPGs and Tanks.
This is your brain when you're underage and think you know anything about the military
Jordan Thomas
How long would parts supply lines for Soy Korean F-15Ks hold out in an all out war against the North? I can't imagine these planes being maintained in an airworthy state all that long given the byzantine state of western military industrial subcontractors assuming the planes themselves aren't all lost to Nork IADS in the first few weeks of fighting.
Wonder why would anyone care about circumcision rate across the world. I thought its only a kike and an American thing to circumcise males and mudshits to circumcise females.
The norks will bomb every military airfield before war will even be officially declared. Without western aid, worst korea stands absolutely no chance.
Charles Watson
It doesn't really matter how long they hold out. They won't prevent the initial artillery holocaust.
Oh god, it's fucking contagious
Nathaniel Hall
I really want to see the aftermath
Benjamin Watson
>as your civilizational role model, of all posibile civilizations; Byzantine, Brhamin, Latin, Arab, Chinese, you pick the one that hasn't created anything of value at ANY point in its existence, you chose to emulate jews.
Justin Gomez
Koreans emulated whoever rules over them. At one point they even tried acting like the Japs who rolled over their Chinese emulating asses. Its like you don't know of the lovely world of buying Korean whores, they'd probably start selling wholesale like they did during the gorillion years of Chinese hegemony, Japanese occupation and civilization attempts and finally the Korean war. If you've got a couple thousand burger bucks you can bring home a wife or three depending how used they are.
I kept trying to tell people this when explaining why I was apathetic to Ukip because ultimately, Nigel cares more about keeping England seperated from Europe than he does about the influx of Islam and insane internal laws being passed. If England gets out of the EU good for them, but it won't solve a single one of their problems. It's a sort of bitter irony seeing how Margerat Thatcher and Raegan destroyed Rhodesia with embargoes, and attempted to do the same to Francos Spain despite pretending to be a brick wall against communism. Now England is losing is becoming less English, and for the first time in many years I feel genuine sorrow. I used to hate the English, since my family moved to the US from Germany when I was 5 I heard all sorts of stories, but I genuinely don't want England to become a colder rainier pakistan with Jamaican flavoring.
Adam Rogers
All of your countrymen living here get paid 50-100% cash in hand. It's so bad that in '07, £50 notes have been found to be appearing in Poland. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1555490/50-notes-disappear-in-great-Polish-take-away.html Like shit, they're paying into the system. Most of the poles are labourers and they're fucking wank at their jobs. My firm is always going in a fixing fuck ups made by eastern euros. We always ask the homeowners: And they'll reply with:
Well, duh. If you were willing to pay taxes and decent wage, you wouldn't seek to employ cheap labour. Gypsies and Ukrops do the exact same thing over here. Do they not understand that if the slavs at their doorstep were actually skilled at their job, they wouldn't be cheap labour? Nah, m8, I get it, I was just pointing out the irony of the situation – a leech that does nothing but pops out niglets while living on taxpayer money is prefferable to someone who works for a living. As for the Pole, I suspect he was making a joke. When rapefugee crisis began, we kept hearing from the media about how "migrants will work and bring in money to pay for the aging German pensions." It's one of favourite normalfag memes over here since even the dumbest goy in eastern yurop didn't buy that bullshit narrative.
Xavier Gray
He clearly wrote "do their own thing" though?
Sebastian Gray
Welcome to modernity, if you have a grievance against whitey emotionally bully him into paying up.
Kevin Brooks
Poles are very friendly with Pakistani's, like the other British user said, all and I mean all Polish women are coalburners or mudsharks, if you see a mixed couple in the UK 90% of the time it's a polish woman, it's very likely that those polish plumbers take part in the other activities of our wonderful immigrant groups, including rape gangs.
Jaxson Nguyen
One of the best illegal coffee shops in east london is run by a Pole.
