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Shotfun thread
Dylan Wilson
Ryder Jones
Goddamn fudd.
If only you had included the "the pump alone will scare them away" your post might have been the perfect copypasta.
Home Defense is entirely different from hunting and you need as many shots as you can get for when Pablo and his beaner brigade come barreling down your drive.
Reloading a pump-action is pretty taxing when there's several dudes running at you.
Or do you simply believe that it's only gonna be a lone malnourished tweaker breaking into your home? Or what if you fuck up and panic and -God forbid- *miss* a shot or two?
It's always a capacity thing with defense. It doesn't apply to hunting, where, in a civilized country, your traditions wouldn't even allow you to carry more than 2 shots in the gun at a time.
I'm not saying that pump actions are bad, I'm just saying that capacity is paramount for any life or death situation.
Liam Moore
foxnews.com
WHY DIDN'T HE JUST RACK HE SHAWTGUN!?
Oliver Powell
Well I get the usual response from the usual members of the peanut gallery. I say that a box magazine's capacity won't help in a shotgun gunfight and the usual accusations of "fudd" and hysteria over magazine limits surfaces and the point I was trying to make gets lost. So I'm not surprised by the usual knee jerk reaction of this post.
Capacity isn't paramount, especially in close quarters. Capacity and multiple hits in a string are more important the weaker the round you use, the less important it is with more powerful and destructive calibers. If you are reduced to a handgun or a submachine gun, yes you need to learn to fire fast and effective and your capacity might be important to some extent. Even here, is a 40 round magazine much better than a 30? Yes and no. Is there something to be said that if you can't end the threat in 30 rounds you should take cover and reload with your next 30 round magazine and not blame your failure on not having more capacity? If 5 poor hits didn't do it, we just need to keep firing more rounds? Many a gun fight has been won in the first shot, your 60 round drum might just lay on the ground full and useless next to you after someone fired carefully. Does a battle rifle with soft points need a 30 round magazine, or does a 20 round standard do fine?
When we talk shotguns, which are highly lethal and destructive, and have high recoil and are more difficult to fast fire, we reach the point where a 10 round tube is breddy gud. You can kill several men if you aim well quite easily, and its not a weapon that lends itself to rapid fire and control anyway. The heavier recoil the bigger the gun the more important you make those individual shots count, it reaches the point of being opposite of the combat handgun or SMG. Hit each man in the center once and then scan back to see the effects, don't worry about tagging the same asshole over and over. At some point a SMG needs 30 rounds if you want to do 10 triple taps, a shotgun can be more effectively be used one shot per target before taking cover. No, at some point the whole notion "capacity is paramount" just doesn't hold.
At some point standard capacity magazines (what the fuck is high capacity) are nice to have the extra rounds, but they are NICE and POTENTIALLY beneficial. They are not of PRIMARY concern. I have 40 round magazines in my C93, if I have to defend myself with it I woudn't feel much worse if all I had were 30's. If you can't fix a fight against a handful of men in the first 30 rounds you've got bigger problems than capacity. At some point firepower and careful aim take more importance than just raw amount of rounds fired. So I disagree on a basic level. My battle rifles are my primary, 20 round standard magazines, I suppose a casket mag on my FAL woudn't hurt but I dont' think it would change most situations anyhow. My shotgun is a pump and I'm going to aim carefully and make those few, powerful, hard hitting rounds count.
As for my suggestion of pump, I already mentioned that. People who consider shotguns often go with pumps because they are affordable. This is why they are brought up, cheap pump actions are good weapons that people will afford. By the time you go auto loader, go big or go back to pump guns. If you are serious enough to buy a good auto loader, fine, but if you are going to buy lower end just grab a cheap R870 or M500. Also, my point on clay busting to learn shooting; buy a super ultra tactical shotgun and one day you never bust clays with it and miss out on the benefits of wing shooting and clay busting to learn that quick shooting at moving targets. A more traditional profile shotgun will be used for these purposes, a tacticool shotgun might never be used for such.
Adam Bennett
Nothing saying you can't buy TWO shotguns.
Jordan Foster
Faggot. Want to know how I know you've never shot under the clock?
Asher Scott
Thomas Lee
I have been wanting to get a Browning BPS since it eject shells downward making it extra left-hand friendly. I would like to get one for bird hunting.
It would also be cool to get a .410 "firearm" by ATF definition for home defense.
Matthew Rivera
But I do need it.
With a horseshoe mag or a proper spiral drum mag.
Oliver Anderson
Either he's a retard, or he's Zig Forums.