Ghosts hunting?

Aye, Marion and Saintly apparitions, the damned asking for prayers, yes that's all good. I'm saying the "Whoa, what's that noise?!?!?" Spoopy spirits/poltergeists/etc. that ghost chasers go into haunted houses to "prove" and the products of Ouija board/seance shenanigans are either fake, delusion, or demons larping.

Yeah, that's what I meant by talking bedsheets.

We have numerous anecdotes in Orthodoxy when dead would appear to the living. Mostly about prayers
And no we are not talking about autistic wraiths

Those who can see them say that "good" and "evil" spirits can intervene in an ouija game, but only demons do it. Those who claim to be able to see them say that they look terrible and their whole existence is suffering. Sometimes they fight against each other to defend their territory. They fear each other too. Probably souls in purgatory or hell undergoing their punishment, or just demons, or something else.

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"In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out."
Luke 13:28
Sounds like spirits who couldn't get past heaven's strict border control. But saints do make apparitions to this world too, so maybe heaven is just a state of being and the Orthodox were right. For some reason heavenly spirits seem rather content. I wonder if it's because having a better understanding of God makes them more powerful and they don't worry about the little nasty spirits.

Ghosts do not exist. All human souls are in Sheol/Hades. Neither do witches exist, nor psychics, nor mediums. Anyone who claims to be any of those things are either idiot spiritualists that have deceived themselves, or deliberate frauds playing on gullible people's emotions to get money.

Any and all "paranormal activity" can be explained through natural explanations. Demonic possession/oppression does happen and can manifest itself in the natural world but it is rare and usually happens only to saints or people who have a massive amount of disorder in their life. The appearance of angels or saints like Samuel's appearance to Saul are done by God to give special revelations to specific people in a specific place or time.

Many intps probably fit both of those. I'm curious now. Is there any correlation between intp and schizophrenia?

But what if the people who can see them refuse to be psychics and seances? What if they refuse getting paid for communicating with ghosts? There are many of them in my country living their lives just like normal people. One of my closest friends in elementary school and a catholic monk I once met shared their visions too. I think what they see aren't angels or saints, they were either hopeless or scary beings, some of them deliberately scare people.

I found this from a quick google search.
I'm going to look further into this.

I may not agree with everything you said in your post, user. But thanks for unintentionally uncovering this interesting rabbithole for me to look into.

Mary is not a ghost.

Except that bible mentions them numerous times and how they should be executed. If we take "lol dey not real" stance, there wouldn't be so much prohibitions against divination and witchcraft in general in the first place, instead replaced by "ignore them, they are retards"

There’s a difference between a real passed on human spirit and an enemy from Sonic and Knuckles.

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According to Orthodoxy (at least most widespread view, you are referring to) both heaven and hell are state of beings and not considered as literal places (though this view is not counted as heretical or non acceptablr, of course). Also there was question about this thread asked in hell thread. I wonder if it was made by OP.

That's like saying because the Bible mentions that we shouldn't worship other gods that other gods exist. The Bible never says that witches or mediums actually exist as people who can actually conjure up spirits or do magic. The Bible condemns it because it leads away from God and makes people believe they can have control over nature or spirits when in fact only God does. They actively blaspheme God when they do their stupid rituals. They bring degeneracy and spirit or demons worship and superstition into society and that's why they need to be rooted out and stoned to death.

I'm sure there was a court wizard in the Exodus.

Pagan priests at Pharaoh's court?

And a clairvoyant prophesied Jesus' birth to Herod The Great.

As >>705359 have said there are plenty examples of /x/-tier phenomena in the Bible. Absolute skepticism is an enlightenment value and only sounds rational because we live in an enlightenment era.

Their "magic" was either aided by demons trying to push back, or were illusions created by them and they couldn't even get past the second plague. They could not match God because they had no power from God.

The Canon Episcopi from medieval canon law says that belief in the existence of witches or witchcraft is heretical:

The Bible speaks of witches conjuring spirits and your greentext only condemns assuming visions are physical and inter-special transformation. The paranormal exists and it's Christian to be aware of it but for most it's not as fantastic as Hollywood makes it out to be.

I mean, nobody here said the otherwise.

Pardon my poor reading comprehension, but I don't think that wall of unparagraphed text denies the existence of witchcraft. It only warns you that witchcraft means collaboration with Satan and having faith in them instead of God.

My brothers I'm talking about the ghostly apparitions. A completely different phenomenon. Like haunted places and that shit.
Marian apparitions are a completely different thing, probably plbecause they're true.

Is that so?

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The problem is all ghosts are demons. Humans go to either hell, purgatory(shut up) or heaven when they die. They dont linger.

No, the Orthos were right. The damned still have agency in this world. I’ve been reading about possession and there are cases of human possession which are often very distinct from demonic possession.

Remember, that hell(hades) is in the earth and is NOT the eternal pit of fire(gehenna).

I went ghost hunting once. Bagged a couple, but it turns out there's very little meat on ghosts and the hide is worthless.

Fr. Amorth and other catholic sources say the damned are indeed still involved in possessions and other spooky apparitions, but they are damned with a D, and show up with demons

As friends or slaves?

no, demons hate mankind

no (Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:4))

Also for the note. I've talked to priests about the topic and they said that dead do not possess. Not that they cant, but the dont have interest in it. Yes, dead do have agency in this world, but at least in Orthodox tradition it was never about possessions or similar, but mostly asking for prayers or something else but not related to violence or terror. Again, they dont have interest in it.

The book I'm reading claims otherwise. Sometimes it's a full possession, like a man possessed by the spirit of a dead little girl dancing and stroking an invisible dress without any control, and sometimes it's just a strong attachment like the spirit becoming an attached companion to the point of threatening to make the boy commit suicide if the parents try to get an exorcism. I highly doubt every case is a larping demon as these cases tend to have very obvious differences between cases of demon possession such as when the obsessing spirit is a human there is almost always a lack of violence unlike with demons. Demons tend to show hatred for the possessed individual much like what you said here Given that most (legitimate) interactions with human spirits don't seem to be founded in hatred that really btfos the proddie argument what if the saint's not really in heaven, since human spirits in general don't tend to be focused on harm (probably because of bigger worries tbh) and most often will probably ignore you if they aren't in heaven.

Well the soul is where the will that drives our physical bodies come from, declaring that the soul could not have any effect on the physical world after death is pure conjecture, one of the pillars of Christianity is that the immaterial CAN effect the physical, as witnessed by the Gospels.

Again more conjecture. Materialism, the a priori complete explanation for all phenomena, such that even when you definitely CAN'T explain something naturalistically, you can just hand wave it away as being explainable naturalistically. The fact that you've somehow reconciled this view with the existence of God and demons is incredible. How do you imagine that your argument is more convincing than the typical atheist pablum that applies your exact argument, only to the divinity of Christ?

Interdasting, so their magic was really just demonic powers and projecting apparitions at will, what a stupid pleb he was for thinking that was magic.

Father Ripperger claims that he has on multiple occasions exorcised the spirit of Judas Iscariot from a possessed victim.

What the hell? Dead people can't possess the living. Only demons can do that. And why would Judas do that if he killed himself because of his heavy consciousness? He's probably crying in some corner in hell while the devil is beating him up.

Modernist bullshit. Take a look at what Christians in the past believed. I know it's shocking because you by default assume what you were taught is the way it's always been.

I'm gonna ask you for proof for that brother.
As far as I know only demons possess people, and demons are angels, not wicked souls.

Read Traugott Konstantin Oesterreich's book on possession. He was born in the 1800's.

Sounds Russian. Ortho or Catholic?

He was German.

Therefore Catholic. I'll dig up on the subject then.

Disney """theology""", ladies and gentleman

Sublime

I'm Ortho, so I kind of distrust these claims. Though that makes me wonder if there is a separate exorcism prayers for dead instead of demons.
Btw, demon could just LARP as Judas

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Why does my IP constantly changes? Its getting frustrating

Don't blame me for not bring able to picture hell like it is irl.

Fr. Amorth's book suggests damned souls may be tied with specific demons, largely due to occult activity. Whether it is because God has damned them and they are left to the demons, or because the damned cling to the demons that they abandoned God for, is an open question.

Hell's more like Inferno, where the demons are mashing their teeth in rage and eternal pain, and the damned are caught between it. That's the impression I get anyway. Hell isn't a happy place for demons.

Oh, and additionally, Fr. Amorth claimed to exorcise several damned souls from a little girl. You may be misunderstanding possession as a whole, it's not often that it's just one demon, but can be a host, or a legion, as in the scriptures.

The best description of hell is like the one Fátima showed to Lúcia. Of course that I think no one actually thinks the devil is having fun downthere.
And yeah of course Mary magdalene(?) had seven demons inside her. The question here is the following. Can damned souls possess people like demons do or demons just larp as those persons, probably to make those damned suffer even more and the living as well.

I would assume the damned follow the demon(s) in, like an open door. Demons can larp as anyone, but under pain of exorcism they are compelled to tell the truth, this is something we need to take into account. I'm not sure of any instance where a damned soul spilled the beans and admitted they were simply demons.

Yes it's probable. If I were a demons I'd take a soul with me while I was shitting up his kid or something. Pain for the soul and for the kid that know knows daddy is on hell. Two in one.

*if I was a demon

Well, from Ortho perspective at least thats stupid
I dont know about that, but judging from what I've heard from monks, I'll assume that this is also stupid.

Fug, don't possess me after you die.

Demons can """take soul with them""", as only God has authority over us.
Though…you gave me an idea or two in case if I'll be damned :^)

pls don't haunt me after you die

*can't

dont worry m8. I'll just be "sitting" around, slamming the pots to troll you.