Pope Pius XII was the last true Pope.
Antipope John XXIII, Antipope Paul VI, Antipope John Paul I, Antipope John Paul II, Antipope Benedict XVI, and Antipope Francis are all antichrists.
The Novus Ordo is not Mass. The Vatican is in apostasy. Vatican II was overseen by Satan.
We are the true Catholic Church, a remnant we may be, but God has preserved us and will until the end of time when the Anti-Catholic Church is destroyed once and for all and the true seat of Peter gains recognition.
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I'm not the Satanist going to hell here, you are.
Either become Orthodox or stop with this LARP and go back to the fold
Reminder Sede’s are one step above Palmarians.
Actually, Pius XII started the whole modernism thing, he appointed Bugnini and the people to change the liturgy, he appointed Bugnini to make changes to the Holy Week. So you have to go back to Pius XI.
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Actually Pius X introduced dialogue mass with allowed the faithful to pray alongside the priest in the Mass.
So there's no valid pope since Pius XI oh wait he was against the nationalist agenda so he must be a liberal. Oh well there is no valid pope since Peter I.
That settles the question.
That's what Arians said about Nicea nestorians about ephesus, orthoxes about the Council of Florence, the Old catholics about Vatican I etc…
By their fruits you will know them, say what you want about the novus ordo, but how often do you see sedes reaching out to the needy or doing anything except sitting at home all day
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Genuine sedes are the least likely to become “Orthodox” you brainlet.
Thank you for trashing this thread lads. Reminder to cut down sede scum everywhere they appear
Pope Pius XII, ex Cathdra “In the ordination of priests, the matter is the first imposition of the bishop’s hands which is done in silence… But the form consists of the words of the preface of which the following are essential and so required for validity: “Da, quaesumus, omnipotens Pater, in hunc famulum tuum Presbyterii dignitatem; innova in visceribus eius spiritum sanctitatis, ut acceptum a Te, Deus, secundi meriti munus obtineat censuramqne morum exemplo suae conversationis insinuet"
Paul VI, ex Cathedra "In the ordination of presbyters, the matter is likewise the laying of the bishop's hands on the individual candidates that is done in silence before the consecratory prayer; the form consists in the words of the consecratory prayer, of which the following belongs to the essence and are consequently required for validity: "Da, quaesumus, omnipotens Pater, his famulis tuis Presbyterii dignitatem; innova in visceribus eorum Spiritum sanctitatis; acceptum a te, Deus, secundi meriti munus obtineant, censuramque morum exemplo suae conversationis insinuent."
Wich one of them is wrong?
Both since the rite of ordination in saint Peter's time was also slightly different.
Also Google papal infallibility.
You guys are just like protestants when it comes to Catholic doctrine like infallibility.
The First Vatican Council taught that three conditions must be met in order for a pronouncement to be considered infallible:
1. The pope must speak ex cathedra (from the chair of Peter) in his official capacity
2. The decision must be binding on the whole Church
3. It must be on a matter of faith or morals
Infallible statements have the following words like with the power of Peter and Paul and Christ and by my own authority we Define xxxxx doctrine and this teaching is to be held by all faithful.
Obviously the Canon of the mass is outside this scope.
Some infallible statements
Dogma of the immaculate Conception, Pius IX
45. Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.
Assumption of Our Lady, Pius XII
Reserving ordination of men only, John Paul II
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Now that's really idolatry. They also believe St Joseph was assumpted to heaven as well.
Who the winnie the pooh do they think they are and what's their endgame?
"traditional catholics" who willingly and knowingly choose to stay inside the novus ordo church are the very definition of lying to one's self. I have no doubts about sedevacantism whatsoever. Fellow sedes don't let yourself feel offended when false catholics call you heretics, because you have the faith and they don't. You don't have a pope, but they have an antichrist
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It's the council plus everything else that came after 1965. The new mass, new catechism etc. were all the result of the modernists that Pope Pius X warned about. The modernists took over the Vatican with John XXIII's "election".