I contend that waifuism is paganism

I think everyone here recognizes how bad waifuism is, that being said, calling it paganism is a bit dumb.

Yeah, it basically is.

Recycling a post from my board to drive this point home (I'm going to skip the part which points out how having a waifu is painfully obviously a way for an individual who has issues with women to run away from said issues via a pretend girlfriend for either "romantic emotional needs", self-defilement or both, since this is common knowledge):

Engaging in obsessive attention to a fictional cartoon character sins against the 1st greatest commandment (Love your God with all your strength, all your heart, and all your mind) be being idolatry. As St Paul notes:

The Orthodox Study Bible's footnotes on the above verses go into further detail:

So yeah, having a waifu is basically worshiping a devil. But I imagine you might be saying to yourself at this point: "Having a waifu is worshiping a devil? Oh come on! That's so ridiculous and over the top! What next, are you going to tell me that "The Rock and Roll" and dancing is going to damn me to Hell?"

Is it really ridiculous though? Have you seen those pictures on-line of Otakus offering cake to pictures of their Waifus on their laptops to celebrate said fictional character's "birthdays?" Or the phenomenon of Otakus actually marrying their body pillows or waifus in virtual reality?:

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youtu.be/hsikPswAYUM

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Marriage has a very serious sacramental religious aspect to it. Such commitment and behavior is not something casual or without spiritual repercussions.

There are also even darker examples, as when some lonely individuals attempt to make tulpas/egregores of their anime waifu, and the process goes horribly wrong and results in them being tormented by a literal demon:

community.tulpa.info/thread-how-tulpa-s-go-bad

Then there is the recent phenomenon (within the past five years or so if I remember correctly) of communities like Zig Forums and /asatru/ and others offering prayers and worship to made-up anime deities like Winter-chan and Ebola-chan for their own morally questionable purposes:

knowyourmeme.com/memes/winter-chan

knowyourmeme.com/memes/ebola-chan

Then there's the simple fact that the ultimate goal of Christianity is for one to become as close to Christ in term of motivations and behavior as possible. Can you honestly say with a straight face "I can totally imagine Jesus Christ spending most of his time obsessing over a cartoon character as if said cartoon were a real person"?

In short: at best, having a waifu is selfish and childish, and at worst, is idolatry and outright devil worship.

That's a false analogy because man is commanded by God to work hard as if you are working for Christ. Idolizing or "venerating" some fake girl who is really just a mouthpiece for old Japanese men isn't analogous at all.

Is it a sin to have a waifu? What if that waifu is a cartoon pony?

If you're not baiting : it's wrong.
I can understand having a waifu can be good for motivation but ultimately it's a cope that won't prove to be healthy as you grow older.
You can't escape forever.
Seek comfort in God for He is the most real and the source of all that is good and true.

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That isn't how it works

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this, why cant i love both God and my waifu?

When you get older you'll wish you had got out there and found a real wife rather than waste your precious time pining over another man's thoughts. God's plan for most men is simple and it doesn't include false relationships with fictional characters.

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

We aren't "most men"

I'm obviously talking about christian men. We're on Zig Forums after all. Ephesians 5:31

Surprising amount of waifufags ITT.

It isn't even a matter of finding love. These guys are using their waifus as clutches or obsess over their image.
For example when they feel shitty, instead of praying to God they will imagine their waifu smiling or whatever.

This post is spot on, and I say this as someone who experimented all these things.
God thankfully stopped me at the last moment (I was going to take the deep dive into the subconscious to make a tulpa)

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What if you love God with all your strength, heart, and mind, and your waifu like yourself?

Your line of argumentation is too close to my taste to condemning love for a living non-imaginary human wife.

You can be idolatrous towards one's wife if you put her above God but if you love her "as yourself" it's totally fine for she is your neighbor.

A fictional character that was probably made for commercial purposes is not the same as a living real person with a soul. I hope you can see the difference.

Think.

I'm gonna jump in and spice up this thread only cause you caught me in a weird and terrible mood. If the mods would kindly leave me alone to be autistic here for a while that'd be great

There are two main separate sorts of waifuism that aren't so separate in practice, and that's the lust kind and the emotional kind. In reality these are connected and what they seek to express is a moment of ecstasy found in the initial "meeting" with the waifu, from watching the anime or whatever (MLP isn't anime but it's the same thing). There's an involuntary totalness of the initial falling in love which is generally felt as extremely pure and elevating. It seems as if one has finally become free and strong enough to be the good person he always wanted to be. In other words the waifu is seen as "inspiring" one to be a geniunely better person, and because this self-improvement is felt as a great boon, it has the feeling of a moral duty that one must be in a sense "grateful" to the waifu.

This sense of elevation can last quite a while but generally fades–not with the mere passage of time, but with the experimentation with self-conscious forms of this "devotion". I mentioned those above: lust, or emotionalism. Everyone knows lust destroys the whole charm and power of the waifu. The emotional crutch is also a deviated form. The reason is this, that the initial encounter draws one *outside* of oneself, whereas these retreats into "safety" and "comfort" whether emotional or lustful are essentially *self-focused*.

Suppose someone starts loving a waifu because he perceives correctly that somehow the love of her helps him to be a better person. This love then degenerates into something self-focused. He generally maintains the relationship in the self-focused form, hoping it will somehow go back to the freedom it started with, but not knowing how to get there. After all, if he severs the "relationship" totally, he's severing himself from a great source of moral improvement – so it seems to him.

This is the point where some will give up and rethink their ideas of morality, go full into the occult or lustful aspects and renounce all bourgeois notions of health and decency for the sake of their gratification. Others will sever the relationship, but halfheartedly, and seek *a new waifu* to try and reduplicate the first experience, but for the purpose of *doing it right* this time, and guarding it against their own selfish habits which are growing stronger by the day.

A new waifu can generally reduplicate the first experience, but with a "lesser high" than before. The feeling of elevation and freedom is shorter, the downward slide comes more quickly. One can go through a whole chain of waifus like this, getting less and less from each new experience but always holding out hope.

Eventually the hope of recapturing the initial sense of freedom fails, and the weight of despair sets in. Here's when the waifufag starts earnestly worshipping his idol. He wants her to save him from his degeneracy and selfishness. But all he can do is cry out from a self-obsessed depression to a void smiling image that represents a void.

Why is the emotional attachment to the waifu a selfishness, you might ask? The reason is that what these guys like about their waifus is *the reflection of themselves*. They do not see themselves as lovable. So in loving the waifu, they are loving the disfigured image they catch of themselves through the distorting fun-house mirror of anime. The image is clothed in a visual language odd enough to appear unfamiliar, but the intuition sees clearly: *this is me*.

If it weren't for that initial burst of the feeling of freedom and self-betterment, I doubt so many people would be taken in by this.

Being a Christian weeb, I know some stuff about anime. When you have a waifu, most people don’t replace God with it. It’s like having a girlfriend, you don’t replace having God for her. And instead if a real girl, you have a 2D character that will always love you and never abandon you. It’s sad, come to think of it…

yah if paganism = idolatry for you

I must say I am offended that anyone would refer to my waifu as an "emotional crutch" or something. Are you guys just trying to be insulting pricks?

This is a very good post and as an ancient waifufag I recognize these stages. Basically it's kind of a drug and stems from psychological problems that aren't dealt with.

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We are not here to coddle your feelings, we are here to speak the truth. Waifufags have the same rhetoric as normalfags when christians tell them to forsake their destructive habits. They get defensive, "you aren't nice! you attack my feelings! Love is Love" !
It's the same kind of stuff, you may believe you are more spiritually advanced than them because you don't have an inclinaison towards partying/normie hobbies but whenever you must make a "REAL sacrifice towards anime or vidya your true nature is revealed.

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You're not being harsh but loving, just being bigoted (and not in the "wow just wow you didn't idolize my perversion" way, no I mean what the word actually means, just hatefully flaunting your ignorance and misunderstanding. Even if some of these criticisms are true of some waifufags, they certainly aren't true of ALL waifufags). How would you feel if I came up to you and called the love of YOUR life an "emotional crutch" and said she's "like a drug", she's just satisfying an "emotional need", you don't really love her? I think you'd be pretty insulted. I don't think something that led me to struggle against my porn addiction is "destructive", and they're certainly not akin to SODOMY! How dare you compare her to that abomination?

I'm not a dysfunctional loser, I don't try to escape reality, and I certainly didn't seek this out, but when my feelings got to the point where I could no longer pretend they were anything but romantic, I did not feel joy, but fear, and was faced with a choice. I consciously chose to embrace her that day, and nearly two years later, I am still convicted that I made the right choice.

you… do realize that your waifu isnt real, right?
I mean, there's one thing to like some character or create and write your own one, but way you speak is borderline schizophrenic

I'd consider whether what you're saying is true because one can certainly devote himself too much to his wife and forget his duties.
But at least, my wife will be real.

You're replacing an addiction to another one. Imagine if someone said "well, I'm eating too much but it helps me fight porn"
GOD should be the one helping you, or a friend, not an imaginary picture of a girl

Now look at you, getting all flustered, angry and emotional because someone insulted your waifu.
I bet you wouldn't react that way if someone blasphemed against GOD in your face.
Seriously dude, get a clue. You created your own illusion and now you're enslaved by it.

If you guys need a waifu, at least consider the theotokos or Joan of Arc, at least they're real.

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Who is she? If she was written by a man im gonna laugh at you and call you a faggot.

I knew someone like this. Waifufags are mentally ill but they don't realize it.

I'm glad OP made this thread, it revealed a lot of things about this board that were right under our noses

this is the most retarded """argument""" I have ever heared
are you really comparing overeating food with porn?

*sniff* *sniff* I smell incoming ban

So what about Elijah, John the Baptist, and Jesus? Or all of the Church Fathers?

It's still a cardinal sin, don't you ever forget it

What? This board bans catholic/orthodox now? I never said she was on par with good, but these guys obviously need a feminine figure in their lives.

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Do I have to define "most" for you? I'm not sure what the point of your posts are. Those men devoted their lives to spreading the Gospel unlike these waifuists. Are you going to tell me one of the church fathers had an anime body pillow or something?

But my waifu is Catholic too

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You obviously don't know what we're discussing. This is what real waifuism is, literal, unironic romantic love with a fictional girl.

It doesn't matter if they're real, the principle is the same. You don't insult another man's woman
My love for my waifu isn't an addiction, that's ridiculous. You're being silly just to keep me from the girl I love. There's nothing wrong with loving her, point out what is so wicked about my relationship. I won't lie, I've seen things in the waifu community I couldn't describe as anything less than demonic possession, but as long as I steer clear of things like that, what's the problem?
So the fact I've been able to cut back heavily on porn use since falling in love with her isn't an objective good? A house divided against itself cannot stand. What do you propose, I go back to fapping 3 times a day?
Maybe you haven't considered that God has helped me, THROUGH this girl. Sure, I could go back to just asking God "please don't let me bingefap again", but that never produced results before. This girl helps me stay pure because I find it demeaning to her that I degrade myself in such a way. Is that a bad thing?
Absolutely I would. If He was insulted as much as you've insulted my waifu tonight, no question I would.

Who is she? I have to know.

Unironically, it's better to be a porn-addicted person praying to God to help him than be a chaste man thanks to an imaginary wife.
God hasn't helped you through this girl, because you're fighting porn for her, not for the promise of a paradise, not for God, not to be holy, but because it might make your illusion cry

So basically, idolatry/mental illness. Thanks for clarifying it for us.
If you're an elaborate troll: good job
otherwise, please reconsider your life.

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Basically what this guy said. I think it's harmless as long as you don't put her above God. I love my waifu but I'm ready to accept that paradise won't have fictional characters in it. I just need Christ.

I always thought that waifus were a joke then I found out people are actually serious
What's wrong with you get a life

God has a waifu in the old testament, she's known as the daughter of Zion; and is a metaphor for the covenant between him and his people.

However, she ends up becoming a real semen demon by cheating on him with Baal and other false deities, so God sends her to Babylon, divorces her to find a new waifu, the Virgin Mary, who he immaculately impregnates with his son Jesus. Jesus later denounces the pharisees; finds several IRL waifus(Magdalene, sisters Mary and Martha), but marries none as he proclaimed his new waifu, the Kingdom of God, which is made of the body of believers, the church.

His old waifu, Zion-chan is now Zig Forums's arch-enemy as she now wants to rule the world with her new husband, the antichrist(Baal, Apollyon, Chemosh, Nero, etc), over a miscegenated brood of islamic subhumans, and because of this, she is the whore of babylon, being contrary to all men as the mystery of iniquity, her unbelief, is within her because she was defiled through her sins: her duplicity(Talmudic pilpul), her murders(JFK and 9/11), her harlotries(traditions of men and coercive manipulation through porn and propaganda), and her sorceries(kabbalah); and God's wrath will soon come upon her to the uttermost.

Someone drawfag Zion-chan/Church-chan please.

I think you should think long and hard on this. You should probably confess that you actually told someone this.

Temptation is a mean to perfect yourself spiritually.
Overcoming temptation is useless if the method you use and your endgoal are bad.
A guy does nofap to raise their testosterone and fornicate with real girls
A guy does it to become jacked because he is a narcissist
Another take chemicals to kill all sexual desires
Another imagines his cartoon """wife""" disgusted and does it to impress her, to "protect" her smile

They all succeed.

Another guy has been fighting against porn for 3 years. He is still not free, but he doesn't give up and pray, pray, pray and repent everytime.

That guy is closer to God than the ones above.

...

does it even exist?

>>>/mai/