Your fathers and grandfathers never had to "work on themselves", they just shacked up with a girl straight out of school and started their lives. If you think working on yourself will get you a wife you're deluding yourself. Even fat, bald, hairy, alcoholics with bad teeth could find a girl just fine back in the day so long as he had a halfway decent job. Chicks back in the day would not only marry these guys but bear their children and take their verbal/physical abuse as well.
The kind of girl you want only exists as a result of pressure and conditioning put on her by the society, as soon as she's given the freedom she'll be your typical self-obsessed modern woman posting her 10000th selfie on IG. Once she gets to this point, there is no turning back for her, her vanity will last well into her 40s or even longer with the way things are going.
Basically, 99% of modern women are ruined, even the "good" girls in church. How many of those girls, even if they attend church regularly, would do so without their parents/family? You think she really loves God? Church is just a glorified social event for her, she has literally zero interest in being a wife and mother. If she's going to date someone it certainly wont be some virgin bore from church. And if she does get married it'll be for social status and will end in divorce in less than 5 years.
You guys do realize that this 3.14 trad waifu you're all looking for statistically doesn't exist, right? You're all basically chasing after a unicorn, and how many unicorns do think there are to go around? Probably 90% of you are going to die alone, another 9% will be realistic and settle for a chubby girl. There might be 1% of you who get LUCKY (and it is luck) and have all the right prerequisites who will manage to fall ass-backwards into a young, naive, sheltered, virgin straight out of high school. Everyone else is winnied.
Hate me if you want, but you know it's true.
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Statistics don't matter to God
if he can provide Abraham with a child in his 80s he can provide you with a good Christian woman christanon
don't listen to discouraging words from people like OP, trust God who never withholds any good thing from his children
Also think of Hosea, god commanded him to marry a literal whore who left him twice, and he forgave her and paid a second dowry to get her back as a symbol of God forgiving Israel of her harlotry and taking her back through self sacrifice. A true Christian man doesn't demand the perfect sinless wife. A true Christian man knows that marriage is about self sacrifice, that a husband is required to sacrifice for his wife the way Christ sacrificed himself for the church
Thanks for agreeing with me.
This is why people think Christian men are cuckolds, because in many cases they are.
you're misrepresenting what I'm saying, I'm saying that since we ourselves are not sinless we should not demand that our wives be sinless
I was just using the extreme example of Hosea to illustrate because it's an example from the bible of how a prophet behaved towards his wife
Where we disagree is you think miracles are impossible and unlikely and I think they are simple and commonplace because I believe in a miraculous and powerful God
You think all those Christian men in the purity and relationship threads haven't been praying for miracles? I'm trying to bring truth to people, you're trying to keep them deluded.
Leaving this whitepill here… Marrying a non-vrigin woman is basically a stupid risk for any man. I agree with OP 100%, but accept the die alone or the unicorn… do not settle for a used-up whore.
yes. If you pray for something, God will hear, answer and provide, that's a promise
God decides whether or not you get anything. He hears prayers but He isn't obligated to do anything for you.
He doesn't act out of obligation he acts out of love
You say there are not enough good Christian women, I say there are not enough good Christian men, sin has pervaded both sexes, imagine being a woman trying to find a man who doesn't use porn or masturbate
but there are definitely enough good Christian women to go around for the good Christian men out there
just stop worrying about women and dedicate yourself to celibacy. it's the preferable option anyway.
Is this not the prosperity gospel? I can pray for a new sports car or house and I will definitely not receive it. Nor will I be rewarded for it for my perceived holiness. Same works with women. Good looking men get women, not holy men.
That isn't what I see. There's plenty of young men in the churches, good hearted, good looking, employed or at least in school. In many ways they're better men than their fathers. I talk to these guys all the time and the story is always the same: there's no good women.
look this is is scripture and therefore isn't up for debate, if you pray for something, god will provide,
if you pray for a wife, and you do so with godly intentions of being a godly husband as outline in scripture (ie. up to the standards of Hosea) then God will provide you with a good wife
of course there are qualifications, you can't expect god to provide you with a good wife if you do things like fap to porn or haven't worked to be a good provider etc, but assuming you've fulfilled those things, it's heresy to believe that god will not answer prayers and provide for his children
Is that what our fathers did? Or were they a product of their culture?
How about you stop trying to move the hand of God with your mathematical formula. If you do X plus Y then God will do Z.
God is not your servant.
and a father is not his son's servant but he provides for his son out of love
if you worship a god that's less loving than a human father, you are not worshiping the god of scripture
and if you worship a god that didn't promise to provide anything his children asked for then you are not worshiping the god of scripture
His ways are not our ways and His mind is above ours. Don't presume to know His will. It could be that denying a prayer request is out of love.
In any case, He is under no obligation to do anything for us anyway.
so all the promises in scirpture about god definitely answering prayers are waived away with "oh he's under no obligation to actually keep his word and answer prayers"
you might as well be an atheist if you believe in such an impersonal vague god that doesn't answer prayers
He answers the prayers that He wishes to answer and is under no obligation, but because of His love He has mercy on us. God is Sovereign. He gives and takes at His leasure and His leasure is just.
You must be content with being His servant.
Do you only believe in God for personal benefit?
I want to go a step further. If any of us try to fornicate with a woman, even if she gf, we're part of the problem.
nothing I said implied that we should only believe god for personal benefit. My arguement is about the nature of God not about the nature of our reasons for believing in him
that's the opposite of what the bible says, the bible says he answers all prayers, he actually changed his mind several times in response to prayer in the bible (see Moses asking him not to smite the Israelites)
That's the point. He answers all prayers because He wishes to, not because He is under obligation to. But this doesn't mean He will answer the prayer in the way we want.
He decides how He wishes to answer.
die alon it is
get a grip man. you arent going to find a virgin trad wife who is completely naaive and you never were going to. no one is free of sin, but you can be forgiven. this includes women. if you're alone, you are probably not attractive. women are followers, and you need to be a man and set an example. be a man worth resisting modernity for.
Do they lift lol?
Here’s a tip: women can SMELL the masculinity off of someone, and that is their sole criterion of judgment.
Now, for you, you should find a virginal woman, they do exist but you’re not man enough to talk to them.
why are you worries about all this big picture shit when you could be focusing on yourself and your own relationship prospects. every person has a potential to find a quality partner but a lot of anons here get turned off by statistics of circumstances that are not indicative of their own environment or personal standing and suddenly they miss out on the potential partners and friends they could've made because they dropped prejudgements on people and cast them away.
i sat down one day and thought about why my friends were leaving me and why I had no Christian gf, and it came down to me being socially autistic with nazism and openly racist and judgemental of people who made even tiny mistakes. i decided that I couldn't do that anymore if I wanted to have what I wanted (Christian gf, friends, overall happiness) so I went on the road of detoxing myself from Zig Forums shit and imageboards in general and becoming a little more normal. suddenly I had more opportunities because I wasn't a raging autist about idpol shit and made friends again. got a gf soon after and have been in a better spot now than ever before. would not have happened if I didn't recognize my autism and prayed to get my shit together
Holy shit, Zig Forums is causing white genocide.
there's no such a thing as genocide
the word genocide was invented by a jew thus is automatically false.
lol, the problem is the virginal women are all teenagers and you would probably get the stink eye, even if you are a non-fornicating Christian
So I just instantly drop a traditional and right-wing mentality and I instantly get a wife huh? Just stop being toxic br0!
Can you give any actual real advice on how to get qt GF instead of just normalfag platitudes? Like methods, places to meet, etc.
Lads, there is this absolute qt girl that goes to my church (Trad Catholic) and seems very devout (prays rosary independently after mass). Is there any way of initiating conversation in an awkward fashion that doesn't just make me comes off as desperate. I am new at the church and I don't have any people I know there other than this one guy that introduced himself to me. I get really anxious socially anyways.
I don't want to lose the opportunity, but the Chad altar boy will probably unironically cuck me.
Check if she has no man first.
Also, does she come with family? May make it easier.
You can try and talk to her but dont do it in church, do it outside afterwards or wherever you see her.
Dont rush it. Dont be sad if she rejects you.
ironically my gf is a blonde hair, blue eyes half German who had two great grandfathers that served nazi germany.
bruh all i did was calm down and hide my power level. I don't need to 1488 my way through life.
i met her through a friend at work, whom I never wouldve talked to if I was dialed up as high as I was on idpol because he was half hispanic. we had a double date and hit it off nicely. fun fact about her before she met me:
all I did was talk with her and not be a winnie the pooh autist about my beliefs and she's 180'd on almost everything. She wants a family and her parents love me because I turned their borderline agnostic anti-family daughter into a future homemaker and mother (when we marry of course)
personally I recommend trying to be the best version of you. it's a gayass platitude but it's made me a much better person because I had to face some of my own bullshit that i fed myself to avoid the pain.
Look OP has a point. But his conclusions are rather wrong.
Women follow the flock, that is their nature. Women tend to follow trends in society, MSM, other women and particularly…MEN. Like it or not men are supposed to lead the society. WE are responsible for the mess we're in…that our women degenerated so much. For example we completely ceased shaming sluts.. Of course the situation is not easy…egalitarianism, feminism pushed everywhere but let's not get into politics too much for now.
My point is: If you placed your grandparents and "trad" generations into your position, they would be as degenerate as you. There's nothing special about them, you just picked the short match. Most of our grandfathers were not acting as weak feminine faggots because media did not tell them it's what women like. They hate it, despise it, it spoils them. Feminine men create bad women. Women need to be formed by the men's lead. A man is the stick, woman a flower. A flower can grow towards God, can be very beautiful IF she has the strong stick to grow on. If men are flowers(feminine men pushed by modern culture) both men and women are in the mud. The obvious solution is that men start being men again and that sets women straight. Again let's not get into politics on how to change the whole society. Let's start by ourselves, our own struggle..
Will you find the rad trad qt just like that without an effort? Hardly because she would need to be formed by a strong masculine figure….strong father, strong former boyfriend, be strong in the faith, outside of mainstream culture and then meet you. Let's suppose you will not win the jackpot
But there is a serious chance of forming the girl you date.
I am not saying you go for spoiled women. I am saying you meet a qt in church, you do not go off chair if she has an admixture of some bad values at first. Women follow the lead. Woman that dates you will go to your values unless she's a feminist (you will discard those anyway quickly). You show her the truth, explain why you believe what you believe in. Believe it or not but a woman who has her thing together will follow the lead if you put the stuff in the right way (not sperging, not raging, just clear honest statement of facts)
There are red lines that probably cannot be crossed: She sleeps around, she's a feminist, tattoos,….but there are things that can be changed by you being strong…by you doing your part as a man.
tl dr: Do not expect complete perfection, work on your faith and your masculinity but know the red lines and know them well. You wouldn't find the absolute perfection even if you were your grandfather in his age. You're the one that leads,not the woman. You are the one that has the responsibility, you are the one that has the last word when making an important decision. Make that clear in the beginning. If she goes along with it she's on a good way of being a trad wife. If she can't handle your lead she is not going to be trad because she's a feminist. Feminists are automatically discarded tbh. Whatever you do, do not go for feminists. ever.
If there's a community/an event around the church it's easy, just go over and talk to her…about sermon, about surroundings…etc.
If there's no such thing then just wait outside of church of when you meet her.
You do not nneed to say something clever or witty as an opener. Just try to be relaxed when you speak…it does not matter by what sentence you start.
Also there is a thread for those questions….relationship general. Check out the OP there and write there. You will get more meaningful responses than in a random thread such as this
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How many of these "all women are whores" threads do we need? Look, I get it, Sally wouldn't touch your pee-pee so you're mad at all women; but I contend that 90% of women are not whores. Then again, the difference between you and me is I've been married for 15 years and you're still crying about not getting your winky tinkied at that high school lock-in. Don't blame all women for your personal failings.
Nobody complains and the mods don't delete them, so it is apparently properly Zig Forums to hate women.
Charge your damn phone, kid.
Being critical of modern women and what our society has enabled them to do is not hate. I want to fix women out of love for them. Christian love isn't letting them run around being whores.
Yeah, well, with "Christian" men like these, it's no wonder women hate Christianity.
I bet you mean "I want to make women do what I tell them to do". Enjoy being single forever.
She goes with her 3 other sisters and her mother. Everyone seems to know her family, but they seem to be pretty reserved. I don't think I have much options there
Yeah, sorry I just saw a recently bumped thread sorta related to women so I decided to post.
Don't know how sorry. But whats wrong with it. Its pretty comfy tbh nothing irreverent
A bit of truth but too much incel bias.
There are plenty of good women out there, user. You've just gotta keep looking.
Guy who found the 3.14 trad waifu with 2nd kid on the way (it's a girl this time, oh well) reporting in!
The fight against modernism never ends :]
What's wrong with having daughters? I have 3 daughters.
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And you all wonder why you aren’t finding good women.
The problem is not "asking women to not be whores". The problem is the definition of "whore". The prevalent attitude around here is that she can be a good, god-fearing woman who believes in traditional family; but as soon as she smiles for a camera she's an "Instagram THOTT!!!"
This is a surprisingly decent thread, to be honest. Here's my two cents.
1. People should look at themselves before they criticize others. I say this not in a demeaning way. I struggle with porn usage (just went to confession, btw) and I recognize that porn users, as long as they don't fix themselves, aren't in a good place to expect to attract interest in non-degenerate women.
2. However, the fact that we're all sinners doesn't mean that we should passively accept the degeneracy that is being pushed towards us. Criticizing feminists and promiscuous women in no way equals "hating women". What we should bear in mind, like other christanons said, is that woman behave in a way that is partially determined by men. If men stopped giving attention to instagram thots, for instance, they wouldn't be as numerous. The deplorable state of our society is the fault of both men and women.
Why wont god give me a good wife or even a gf. I've prayed for years. Why was it bad for adam to be alone but I'm always alone and the pain never ends.
You should care what your bride's family thinks of you.
NO HYMEN
NO DIAMOND
1 Corinthians 7 cleared this up for me
I agree with OP.
If God wanted to give you gf, he will just give you one.
"working yourself" "be yourself" "fake it until you make it" ideologies DOES NOT WORK.
I'm not seeing any of that ITT.
God is our guide, he can do great things for us, but we still have to move our own feet to follow him. You have to get out there and meet Christian women. If you're doing what is right God will help you. Proverbs 3:6
Well somebody’s having a bad day.
This simply isn’t true. If you’re a fat stupid alcoholic with no job and an abusive past, no girl is gonna like you; you need to fix yourself. Women aren’t objects; they have a mind of their own. Most won’t like you simply because you are the way you are if you’re in that aforementioned state. If you want to find a girlfriend, deflate your ego, change your aditude, and pray that God lets a nice lady walk in your life.
Meanwhile, the woman God would give you is praying for a good man to marry. Are you the kind of man God wants to give this woman as a husband?
I am that one "lucky" guy who found a 16 yo virgin raised by a protective religious family. We're together for >5 years now. The sad part is that I don't love her.
Oh OP of little faith, why did you doubt?
Everlasting life is a stake and y'all are walking down the broad road that leads to destruction. Narrow is the gate to life and only a few find it.
One thing is for sure: the woman of your dreams ain't reading this thread. But being defeated will only make you feel miserable. So God delivers hotties with naughty bodies to some and just dust to others? God deals some people a royal flush and other people get turd sandwiches. So what? You play the cards God dealt you and wants you to play. Have some trust in His design. You get nothing by whining that someone else was dealt a better hand. Play the cards you were dealt. Make the most with what you already have because someday God can snatch this away from you. Be grateful and quit moping.
Can I ask you why?
Stick with her. You will never find anyone like that ever again. Remember, love should be like the Greek word "Agape", not "Eros". There is nothing I wouldn't do for a 16 year old virgin girl.
I'm 17 and i'm dating a 14 year old virgin ( yes i'm the user that started a thread the other day ). She's not really traditional, but she now she has a good concept of sin. I thank God for her, and i'll do my best to set her up in the straight path.
You're doing good, my man.
Try to have her move in as soon as possible.
Do not be ashamed of receiving financial help from yours and her parents, thats how it was done in the old days. Only in modern times do parents not pitch in to help their children start families.
Wew lad getting mogged by a kid 6 years my junior on a Christian imageboard.
I don't know. I am incapable of "feeling" love, probably am a sociopath. I try hard to like people, but it's always insincere. I'm really good at faking it, so nobody notices. I tell my girl that I love her but I feel like I'm lying. But despite of my inner dislike for people and lack of empathy I always strive to be decent and do the right thing. That's why I'm going to stay with her, make a bunch of kids and do my best to avoid the mistakes of my winnie the poohed up parents, so maybe they don't inherit my character flaws.
I know, that's why I'm staying. I will do everything in my power to be a good husband and father, regardless of my lack of feelings which is my own problem that should not bother people around me.
Is she virgin?
Nothing. I prefer boys. More in common with them so-to-speak. A girl worries me because they are more fragile, etc., but I'm sure I will enjoy being her father once I get used to it.
It's a bit sad you can't feel anything but I'm happy fo you nonetheless.
Be happy with her and may you both fly towards God.
Lo, sons are a heritage from the Lord,
the fruit of the womb a reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
are the sons of one’s youth.
Happy is the man who has
his quiver full of them!
He shall not be put to shame
when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
This is the cringiest thing I've seen today.
though you have a point about the women and relationships in theses days, you missed something - perfecting ourselves ir our deal in this life; it should always be done
In this day and age to say 90% of women aren't whores is laughable. You can't be taken seriously.
tl;dr, cringe
but if you're improving yourself just to get girls then you already lost
Being right wing doesnt mean you become the type of fear-obsessed coward typical of your average Zig Forums sperg. Seriously. They're rife with fear. There are real problems going on but listen to Fr Ripperger's conference on fortitude on Sensus Fidelium to understand the mean and how to act today. A spirit of detachment is on the road to sainthood.
Listen to this guy, he has done well and knows whats up. Many here need to de-autistify.
Taking the black pill is thoroughly un-christian. Praying is an exercise of worship and humility and you people who expect a gf because you have been 'praying' to the big G or 'deserve' one need to wise up.
Matthew 10:34
This is His message of self improvement. He will not solve your problems for you. All He wills is that you take the sword offered by His example and by your own might confront and conquer your problems.
Sick and tired of the brothers who have the gall to blame the world around them and lift no finger for its betterment.
Anyway, rant over. My story is alot like the user who pried himself the autistic clutches of a Zig Forums worldview. The good women are out there but yes they are few and far between. So are the good men. Be a good man.
ftfy
this, I'd rather die happy and alone than sad and alone
exactly this, but the worst part is I can't even say I'm working as hard as I can to fix it
back to /nofap/
>(((friends))) leave you because of racism and nazism
they weren't friends to begin with if they're friends with you only if you follow some political viewpoint
don't have much to comment on with this, but very good post, amazing
This is hilarious because Jesus himself was described as "a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief" in scripture. Realizing the reality of our current situation isn't un-christian, it's the exact opposite since christians ought to be concerned with what is true. Also I don't see how Matthew 10:34 is implying self improvement, such a strange interpretation.
Or maybe Zig Forumsacks are such insufferable faggots, that will turn any discussion into "muh jews" "muh race" pretty much derailing the original intent of the conversation?
I can't blame his friends honestly.
The amount of godly women I've seen in churches get old and wrinkled waiting for a DECENT (let me repeat) DECENT and godly man is mind blowing.
What churches are you going to and how autistic are you?
Give this man the Nobel Prize already.
No shit Sherlock. Everyone knows this.
Back in my grandparents times people would drop school in the 4th grade and they had to be lucky to be able to finish it. There were almost no teachers in the village.
Living alone isn't a problem for me. St. Paul even recommends celibate so I'm ok with it.
But I agree with you user. It isn't even because of the male dignity, but a woman that went to bed with someone else that wasn't her husband will be 100% sure a bad wife and mother.
Only retards do it.
I'd prefer to be an 200yo wizard than damage my future kids life's.
I'm not looking for a perfect woman since I'm not perfect as well and in the past I was a terrible sinner although thanks to my laziness fornication wasn't one of them. I wouldn't mind a girl that used to be like me provided that she regretted her past life like me.
Mary Magdalene was also a sinner and repented and is now a Saint in heaven.
The problem is that from all the degenerate girls (that make up for 99.9% of the female pop) only 1% of them regretted their past sins.
KEK.
Sad but keep her and don't let her go.
Don't go chasing ghosts and then end up with shit.
Look at the OT love stories. It's never the classic Holywood romance. And after some time there true love (agape) between both of them.
Forget the 21st century "love" meme.
I sincerely hope all of you know not to take anything you read on an image board seriously.
So she goes to the church so she can get a dude?
Blasphemous.
Glad somebody took the time to read my rambling.
Women would not be decadent if men were not weak.
Whenever you bash women for being feminists you should not overlook the role of men in this…there would be 0 feminists, well except for """""""""""feminists"""""""""""" if our society was run by real men.
Women are trash if they don't submit to their husband at all times.
be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word