Unable to forgive wife's betrayal

I think it all depends on the substance of her contrition. If she's not contrite at all, then she's a harlot. If she is contrite, I think the couple ought to strive for reconciliation.

MGTOW GTFO

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I have purchased The New American Bible - Revised Edition. Is that significantly different? You'll have to forgive my ignorance on that, someone on 1/2chin told me it was a good starting bible.

Yes yes, I understand how the institution of marriage has been corrupted and now the man is subservient to his wife. She has all the power. As for little burst of anger, sleep deprivation from exams + my brother just got divorce raped; so I'm somewhat aggravated (to say the least). You'll have to forgive me if my thoughts are a little all over the place.

Yes. She stopped asking me to go out for dinners with her or cook together as we usually do when we were engaged. She blames me for everything. For not paying attention to her

Chrisitanity is compatible with nothing but Christian values
Only Catholics don't believe in divorce
>< Is this a common view of Christians, a Catholic thing, or are all believers in the Christian God suppose to support this? I'm seriously considering Christianity but obviously can't commit my soul to God without understanding its faith and demands.
I think what's more important to realize in a situation like this is that one must forgive her. The Gospel recounts a story of the man who is forgiven his debt by his master but fails to forgive his fellow servant's debt, and then his master brings back his debt in full. This is what happens to the one that does not forgive. It's hard as heck to do and I struggle with it every day.

Hmmm, I think Catholicism isn't really for me then. Might sound picky-and-choosy but that whole "can't divorce and must always forgive" won't work if the woman I marry turns out to be a manipulative psycho.

Forgot to add, I'll probably have to check out Christianity and the born-again Christians (know one of the latter IRL). I'm not really too sure about what other denominations there are. This does seem pretty complicated considering how big of a choice it is.

the bible teaches against it, we should all reject it
t. baptist

fornication is not adultery

Jesus already give you legal grounds for your divorce. read Matthew 19:9

A genuine question then. If your wife is unfaithful, even if you have no children, are you suppose to accept it? You can't lay a hand on her or the government and society will punish you, so again, are you essentially suppose to keep caring for the woman who's having sex with other men?

That just seems wrong, on both a moral and a biological level.

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Orthodox Christians can divorce for infidelity, right? Waddafug Catholicism

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Short answer: yes even if your wife is regularly unfaithful you are not permitted to divorce her

You should read Hosea. It's a book about a prophet who marries a prostitute on God's instruction and demonstrates great faithfulness to her, as type for God's faithfulness to us despite our infidelity

It's just all the more reason to be careful in your selection for spouse. Note that women have the same restriction from divorcing an unfaithful husband.
I'm not convinced that the Bible instructs against corporal punishment for your wife though.

The one exception is "fornication", which seems to imply you married a woman who wasn't found to be a virgin

Wew lad. OP go literaly any other denomination and get a divorce. The Bible says you can under these circumstances, and no amount of buhmuh from a priest overrides that. However, you should forgive her also. You must, even, but you do that AND divorce her.

Seriously any Catholic arguing otherwise is objectively wrong.

Fornication is sex between unmarried people. It can mean adultery.

Enjoy being shackled to that "thing". Remember, by tolerating this you're telling her it's okay to do again; and she will.
Not even surprised.

You're shocked by their heresy?

Techinically it is your fault

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If you think the book of Hosea was about undermining the institution of martiage by allowing your wife to whore around then you need to self-reflect.

Libtertarianism is a nightmare, human beings re not made to live in isolation with their fleshlight

If someone chooses to sacrifice for God and forgive their spouse who repents of their sin, that is honorable. But it's unlikely in this day and age for anyone who commits adultery to repent of it, because there are literally no material repercussions for it, except for the man.

no you dummy it doesn't excuse prostitution

Okay, so in short. I need to marry a virgin who has never married? I'm young enough, but finding that in this day and age is a challenge to say the least. But the idea that God would enforce literal cuckery is, to say the least, disturbing. I can't even enforce my will upon her as that's now domestic abuse. By any chance, do Christians HAVE to marry? Is it explicitly stated I have to marry?

I figured as much, I'm young though so that's why I'm considering Christianity before committing. My current dream is essentially:
So I need to research Christianity and God to see if my current worldview is flawed.

No. But don't let someone persuade you that it is your calling to not marry. That is between you and God. Each are given gifts according to God's will.

1 Corinthians 7:6-7
>But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. For I would that all men were even as I myself. Paul was never married But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Proverbs 18:22

There are a lot of good things about NABRE

I'd say scripturally you can divorce but you should also try to reconcile

The core of Christianity isn't moralism. Good behaviour isn't saving grace. But good behaviour and morality is a result of salvation.
It is by faith alone in Jesus Christ and it is by the grace of Jesus Christ bestowed upon you that have faith in Christ Jesus.
This is the core of Christianity. Not of your own will by by the will of God.

I agree. All avenues should first be pursued before divorce.

I'm really sorry for what has happened to you, OP. I can't imagine how it feels. I truly am sorry.

For what it's worth the fundamental truth in Christianity is we aren't good people. We're broken, flawed sinners. You, your wife, and everyone you see. If you can find love in this world, grab it and don't let it go, acknowledging your wife is a flawed sinner too. As ever, think of your own sin to regain humility.

I appreciate the honest reply. I have time so I'll worry about this at a later date. No reason to rush into things.

Well I have no idea about much of that. I'm not going to claim myself an intellectual as I lack life experience, all I know is that I feel some pull towards Christianity and have for many years. I just can't tell what that pull is, thus why I'm trying to learn.

Anyway, sorry for derailing your thread OP with my questions. Thank you everyone and good luck man.

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you're free to marry a woman who isn't a virgin, but that's less desirable of course
Singleness can be a virtue

your greentext lifestyle goals are totally consistent with christianity

I'm shocked caths don't allow divorce for infidelity, and I'm asking if orthos are the same

Not Ortho but:
denver.goarch.org/petition-for-ecclesiastical-divorce

Seems reasonable.

divorce is the answer, speak with other priests.
or an anulment, since she has broken her marriage vows utterly.
forgiving is not the same as letting yourself be walked on by a disgusting person.
you can forgive her and forget her after the divorce. find a decent woman, not a betrayer.

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Exposit for me, why did God tell Hosea to marry gomer?

As a symbolic gesture, not a legal precedent?

agreed, I wrote "as a type" as in "typology"

Dont marry her then

At least other denominations are admiting they pick and choose what to follow based on whats easy

Stop being such a cuck and dump the bitch.

Choose wisely
forums.catholic.com/t/matthew-5-32/30114/3

Jesus didn't say we can or should divorce though, he simply said that if you divorce a woman based on sexual immorality you aren't making her commit adultery. So it might well be less sinful to divorce your wife because of her immorality, but that doesn't mean it isn't a sin to divorce her.

Matthew 19:3-8

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Putting away one’s wife =/= divorce. In the case of that quote, the man would have to wait until the woman died in order to marry again (because divorce is a sin)

And they say the Catholics are the authoritarians of this board.
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Because that is not Scriptural. It requires mental gymnastics to say that fornication between a wife and another man is not adultery.
And God allows divorce for that. God hates divorce and so do we, but infidelity is a serious crime, once punishable by severe means.

Matthew 5:32
Matthew 19:9
If you're in a church which doesn't follow the bible, it sounds like you have two divorces to make.

divorce and/or separation/estrangement in a Christian sense does not apply the same way in a secular sense.

you can put your wife away, but you cannot re-marry, it is forbidden by Christ.

but that's wrong, and you're trying to trick OP into committing adultery. begone, satan.

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porneia refers to illicit situations, not adultery.
if Jesus Christ had backed up splitting with your wife if she cheats on you, the Apostle's and their teachings would have said so

no, not even the early Church ever endorsed re-marriage upon adultery

Perhaps in a future government, it would be wise to make laws where adultery is punishable by death, thus avoiding the sin of remarrying while under divorce. Better for the flesh of the ungodly to expire than for the godly to sin.

Note to the young whom may have such an opportunity.

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the godly would not sin either way, if you put your wife away, you are called to holy celibacy and abstinence no matter what. Adam was not permitted to take another rib.

there is no sex in Heaven, and only the pure of heart shall see God

"There are a number of problems with this. First among them is that the exceptive clauses do not appear in the parallel passages in Mark and Luke. In Mark 10:11–12, Jesus says only, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery." Likewise, Luke 16:18 says, "Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."

In Romans 7:2–3, he writes that "a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress."

"To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)—and that the husband should not divorce his wife. . . . A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. If the husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord."

woe to the man that tries to twist Scripture to defy Christ, woe to satan.

You're changing the subject.
You accuse me of your own transgressions, charlatan.

How? Divorce in a Christian sense and Divorce in a secular sense are completely different. As St. Paul affirms, a man can put away an adulterous wife, but he is not free to take another as long as she lives.

re-marriage while the spouse is alive is BANNED. pure and simple.

Indeed, but I don't deem it to be of a joyous life for the godly spouse to suffer such that they be forbidden to love again, only because their other was adulterous.

The whole point of Jesus coming to die for the sins of humanity wasn't to make you a good, moral, law abiding person. Is what I meant.

There's congregrations that preach a gospel of moralism which made me concerned for you, being interested and new to Christianity.

forbidden to love who? are those who do not have sex incapable of love? is Jesus Christ incapable of love? He lived, died, and rose again in perfect purity.

that's your problem, the I.

vade retro satana

I desire justice. Justice for the one who is unrepentant, and mercy to the one who sacrifices and suffers.

who cares what you desire? we desire what Christ desires.

Keep re-reading the below verse until it sinks in.

Matthew 19:9

You desire whatever the Catholic dogma is at that point in time.

I know you're not saying that we are without sin.
But that is quite a statement. 'Some pretty interesting stuff.

woops

I will keep re-reading, knowing the truth, and not willing blinded like you. Fornication is not an excuse for re-marriage, and only the Jews, from the hardness of their hearts, were allowed to. But from the beginning, it was not so, and through Christ, will never be so.

would not choose to sin, willingly, and repent even to death to clean themselves

i don't care if rhetoric makes me sound calvinist

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Yes but you should do that for your own benefit, son.
She is a wicked woman,
I was in a very similar situation but luckily, I wasn't married.
People like your wife are cowards at heart who would rather sweep problems under the rug and blame everyone but themselves.

Bad news:
She should change in order to become a good person, and she isn't going to because that takes courage and humility. She has neither.

Good news:
If you don't have children, you can divorce her with relatively low losses.
I know this doesn't dissolve the marriage vow that both of you made, but in case she miracolously decides to change her ways and come back to you, you can just remarry.

I honestly don't know what to say about finding another woman though. Give yourself time and space to grieve your loss, my friend.
And remember that no matter what you might have done wrong, she was the one who didn't have the guts to tell you her problems and she was the one who decided to cheat like a coward.

May God help you.

Matthew 19:9:
Jesus does not give a full logic chart with the outcomes from the combinations of truth or falsity of each predicate. However you should probably think that Jesus included all the predicates in his statement for a reason.

Note that if a married wife commits adultery, hardness of heart is already involved in the situation from her part. According to Jesus nation-wide hardness of heart is sufficient cause for permissive divorce laws. Christians are meant to be better than that, but a marriage takes two people.

This.
You can't hold this relationship good and working alone, not with the current divorce laws. Not without authority.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha, this is why Islam is taking over your countries infidels! Keep up your system, very progressive, modern age!

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Sad, but true.

Are you wealthy? You sound wealthy … enough for two households, maybe, even perhaps?

Isn't it funny that people try using that tired old excuse.
"Have some backbone!"

protip: don't marry one of those

What are you, 12?

t. Divorce lawyer

gtfo Zig Forums
this isn't your board

Yes it is.
Also gtfo /liberal/, because it definitely isn't yours.

Also is not dumb.
Divorce laws are in a state of immorality, exempting the wife from anything and making the husband pay for everything. It's abusive.

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I'm sorry that happened user,must really been terrible to think your wife has been getting creampied and taking loads in the face.

Just kiss her, forgive her and move on with that beautiful women.

Repent or get out >>>Zig Forums

typical Zig Forums behavior: childish

You're not fooling anyone schlomo. Repent your idolatry!

CUT HER HAIR!
Then beat her publicly while she flees in view of your neighbors. Náströnd is the terrible place, where Hel holds court.

facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html

What? Divorce is allowed in the Bible in case of unfaithfulness:
You must be Catholic, right? One more reason to winnie the pooh hate Catholics.

You know the problem these days is that indeed you cannot divorce.
These times you can go to the Church Court and argue that the marriage wasn't legit to begin with.

In times past a catholic divorce system was made relying on the vows that were taken at the altar, "'till death us do part".
Sadly this isn't a common practice anymore in our present society.

Your wife will never respect you again. Leave her or you’re a literal cuck.

Murder is the only option.

Kill her
Alternatively if you feel that you can no longer live with her, divorce her anyway and switch churches, it would be better than living in misery with someone you despise

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Feels bad

The solution would be to empower the man to keep the marriage together.
The way things stand today, a man has no authority in a marriage, and a woman can avoid all consequences of infidelity.

If you have divorce, that makes up for your wife being able to hurt you without consequence, because you can just leave her. But there is no divorce and in such a case having authority would be the tool by which a man can protect himself and the family. But that is also taken from us now.

You can't win against a sinner in a situation like this.

I blame no-fault divorce and feminism for all of this.

I would leave her.
Would never marry or fornicate with anyone, but i would leave her.
I treat divorce more like separation.

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There are no consequences to cheating on no side.
A cheating wife would've been killed for the sake of the husband few centuries back, not that long ago cheating was grounds for prison in South-Korea but sadly they abolished that law.