What do you guys think of technology? Is it a threat to Christianity? As the world delves deeper and deeper into material luxury and comfort, men tend to forget God. The current globalized system is all about speed, efficiency, and status. There is less and less room for us as the use of machines continues to grow. Before anyone plays the card, technology is not neutral. Every new mass invention needs us to conform to it, not the other way around. Look at how people interact with their phones, computers, cars, etc. I can't say how many times I've felt like a complete outcast in public just because I wasn't on my phone. You look around and you see everyone's face glued to their screens, and it is sad. There is no community whatsoever. We're a symptom of it too. Because of the lack of real community, we bond with distant strangers on the web because of how atomized society has become. It seems it's only going to get worse. Give me your thoughts on the TQ and how it relates to Christianity.
What do you guys think of technology? Is it a threat to Christianity...
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Lots of the "moderates" on this board will call you a Luddite, but the fact is that your observations that mass communication and media have fundamentally altered our social framework (along with mass immigration and population churn disrupting organic communities, but this is also facilitated by mass communication and transportation technology). Eventually there will have to be either a recalibration of how we approach such technologies, or else face a slow social decline and eventually death.
And what's worrying is that such a "social reset" isn't inevitable. There's been plenty of commentary on how our current social environment mirrors the "mouse utopia" experiment, and they all died. Some think there will necessarily be a "survival bias" toward social conservatism since the broadly more dysfunctional liberals slowly stop breeding, but even so called "conservative" communities are generally in a sorry state, and worse every year. The worst mice weren't slowly whittled off, leaving the better ones to rebuild, they all just died together. We're not there yet, but we could be one day if things don't stop getting progressively worse. Japan is probably the modern society furthest along in this process of decay (as demonstrated by their fertility rate), how they eventually recover (or not), should provide us a lot of lessons.
God have mercy on us.
I've been thinking a lot about this over the last year. Industrialization was one of the prime factors in undermining the family structure to its current point today. Before that, many people lived in extended families but after industrialization the nuclear family became common. And now the liberal culture with its ever changing values is finishing the job. On top of this many new technologies that come out are aimed at furthering a bread and circus type malaise - which then further erodes the nuclear family as people become more and more enamored with tech and virtual social communities.
On the horizon, we have the Internet of Things, Universal Basic Income, Social Credit Systems, and dna-designer babies. Years ago I was interested Transhumanism. One of the things I noticed that it had all the one hallmark of ancient religion that modern ideologies lacked: everlasting life. In the future (if the Lord allows it) I think the elites will approach AI and Transhumanism in manner similar to that of religion. And for the dumbed down masses, worship of the World State will be mandatory. I don't have hatred for technology but the rate at which the world is running after this mess is dangerous and overwhelmingly arrogant.
This is what really worries me. The propaganda will evolve much faster than our genes adapt. If we don't reclaim our government in a permanent and dominant way and put the mainstream sources of info back in the hands of nationalist European Christians we will die just like the mice.
Transhumanism is the mark of the beast.
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Besides the problem of wherefrom these people are coming, what are these observations supposed to mean?
The Industrial Revolution is a revolution for a reason, and as a transitory period, it has been for the better; that is, a necessary stepping stone to the information eras.
Furthermore, that conception of mental health that Kaczynski reviles makes more sense if you are familiar with Aristotelian telos, via Aquinas and then generalise these as mental processes encoded in human brains that cooperate.
Ellul also makes it sound as if big "E" efficiency and big "T" technology are diaboli ex machina that area evils and forces by just going in circles.
Ellul's concerns of education producing reliable (tax, debt, and wage) slaves really only applies to modern democratic State education. Fritzer, et al. cite Nietzsche in the identification of the problem of uniform eduation. I posit a market solution to loose the stranglehold of such a monopoly, comprised of parochial, hyperreal, vocational, and filial elements.
To the original question; Before you play the card, technology without an agent is value-neutral. McLuhan noticed technology's power to amplify and accelerate the values and trajectory of a society. Sesame Credit amplifies the Chinese spirit of Mandarin bureaucracy and state-worship.
It only forms a threat when the enemy holds the trigger.
The material luxuries and comforts are simply how a liberal system evolves. Never before in the history of human organisation has such a perfect system to appease its subjects been created. Otherwise, Singapore would not have had buggery laws within the corpus until a couple years ago.
And is that problematic? This only occurs because the human neural computer has not developed info-security protocols resistant to continually evolving semantic magic created by Google's advertisement AI or mani-pedied Buzzfeed blockheads. That's on the parents.
To your stupid pine-tree tier point about value-positive technology, that is not intrinsic to technology as its own body but rather a context-sensitive element. Those mass inventions are transitives for greater goals and even past this skewering, they are Catherine-wheeled onto existing moribund state-corporate structures. Liberalism (of the 17th and 18th century) uses technology (past the 19th century) for its own aims. Those people on their phones, smartwatches, Alexas, fridges are just much more effective and feature rich versions of the everyday billboard. A digital HIV versus a paper rhinovirus, creating massive socio-psychological botnets. Why else would China want to have TenCent and Alibaba and Sina Weibo? It's not the technology is different, but the topology of its ecosystem.
Back to McLuhan, there is no community because he would say social medias obsoleted physical proximity, replacing it with hyperreal atomised existence. It's psychological DDoS, 51% attack, and D&C via consensus breaking.
(((Harari))) has no background in the applied sciences or engineering. One should take his opinions as seriously as one would those of other cargo-cult nu-Humanities critical-theory tenured Chaldeans that infest modern universities (basically the people who write papers about why linear algebra and logistic functions are racist)
Patently false. The nuclear family existed within Hajnal-core Europe centuries before any whiff of coke could be smelt.
You've got it but the wrong way round, due to your faulty axioms. The technology is active and passive defence around the liberal kernel.
IoT, UBI, SCS are Liberalism's Steve-Ballmer style EEE. Where there were once alms and guilds, a web of Brahmin welfare is in stead. Where there was once shame and guilt, the credit score steps in.
I see of no way that other H+ enthusiasts can achieve immortality, because it is utterly technologically unfeasible. We are not good at handling complexity and nonlinearity.
I recommend you find your local Amazon Web Services cache tertiary data federation server, and to pentest your nearby power grid.
That's what robots are for.
The government, or its chambers, is not where you should focus. You should look at your central bank that keeps low-interest credit flowing.
Christianity is inherently transhumanist.
Are you an IRL AI? Could you pass a Turing Test? All you speak is buzzwords.
>(((Harari))) has no background in the applied sciences or engineering. One should take his opinions as seriously as one would those of other cargo-cult nu-Humanities critical-theory tenured Chaldeans that infest modern universities (basically the people who write papers about why linear algebra and logistic functions are racist)
While I agree that these people are largely hacks and that any practical application of their ideas are most likely to wind up having them chasing by their own tails, the sad fact of the matter is that these Chaldeans are the ones who are in control of the universities, banks, media and our institutions. This alone allows them to view their own pseudo-science as approaching something akin to a religion - regardless of whether or not they can actually get real results. Their ideas are founded on the belief to usher in a utopia for humanity (with their international leadership of course). Therefore since they believe in it, we should be mindful of their future plans not because of any real science behind it, but due to their control over the institutions.
Thank you for correcting my ignorance here and providing me with a more clear understanding on the matter of extended families vs. nuclear families. I am familiar to how polygamy seems to be alien to Europe for the most part since the advent of Christianity, but my understanding here was lacking. However, I guess I'm using the wrong terminology. What I'm getting at is that industrialization had a substantial effect on locality or closeness of families. While neolocality was practiced in the middle ages, uncles, aunts and cousins would still for the most part settle either in the same village or in a nearby village. Industrialization tore families up by taking family members to places further away. Of course the ties remained, but the dilution to family relations should not be overlooked. While nuclear families still settle nearby to other kin in the current year, I suspect that it is something substantially different than 400 years ago. For example, my own family is spread out over several nearby states rather than several nearby towns.
I disagree. Christianity aims to repair man's fallen state by submitting to the will of the Father in accordance with Christ's incalculable sacrifice. While their is a degree of apotheosis in its final destination, it is only through the front doors and God's grace can we as Christians hope to ascend to heaven. Things like Transhumanism, Hermeticism, Chaldean Fantasies, Utopianism, and Tikkun Olam seek to enter God's paradise through back doors. They are all fundamentally flawed just like the Tower of Babel was fundamentally flawed. Any apotheosis that may occur will be done only on God's terms not whatever inventions man (or even Chaldean wizards) come up with.
Technology as it it concieved now is actively evil and the strongest tool used by Satan to reap souls.
Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean internet, or PC, or planes, etc are *EVIL* actually they can be quite useful but one should understand that communities like this, or the vast knowledge we can get thanks to internet is a grace of God and not the norm.
I'd write a long post about it but I think these screencap already says it all. We live in a dopamine paradise.
Keep in mind that the internet is a reflection of the world and it's getting more and more globalized. Codebars are everywhere, 99% of the circulating money is virtual (I'm French and it's impossible to live with only cash now, they don't allow you) and a few massive corporation control near everything.
Remember those cyberpunk dystopia from the 80s? This is our world now, minus the cool shit and the mutants are trannies.
This may sound obscene, but the Unabomber was right when he tried to kill people as a warning to prevent everyone from becoming part of "the matrix".
I believe we will see a radical reductionism in the use of technology. People will no longer be tethered to their phones, televisions and computers after the who's who of the master and slave relationship begins to be understood. Technology serves the needs of the people, people do not serve machines.
Do you like this picture of me?
Also, Turing test is a big meme. A major part of modern written media at the newstand, digital or paper, is machine-generated. So, it is obsolete.
I'm not saying buzzwords, I'm using words with buzz, or information density.
I'm not an AI, just a Asperger's
Another problem is that of automobile-centric living which hurt the demand for towns as exurbs took over. Especially in the experimental field of 20th century America.
Industrialisation is a fluidising process, lowering demographic viscosity. This is good in that it complexifies and lubricates the development of human and technological capital and increasing standards of living but causes problems due to deep-seated tribal affiliation. Yet, Industrial society is only a transitional period to reterritorialisation. The question now is how society is annealed: quickly or slowly. I predict that the increase of BCI, VR, internet economy, automation, and local scale manufacturing will quickly obsolete many if not all fixtures of industrial centred society: the international shipping routes, the Asian factories, the patent offices, the name brands and superstores, and so on.
Transhumanism should not be pursued as Babel. You should never have faith in men at all. It is making us a little better, a little faster.
First image is talking about Society of Spectacle. It is a Marxist idea but it parallels with the idea of a "Zionist-Occupied Government".
Monnaie numérique qui existe seulement dans les ordinateurs, qui est échangée seulement sur l'Internet, qui est née est meurt sous forme de chaleur dans un centre de données, n'est pas essentiellement ou fondamentalement différente de la monnaie fiduciaire traditionelle: des centimes, des billets de banque, &c. Le vrai problème est la complexe de l'État et la banque centrale qui emmènent tous les autre démons.
What's wrong with bar codes and virtual money (intrinsically)?
Unabomber was a murderer, a socialist, and no more than a pressure release valve of anti-Liberal sentiment as evidenced by *this*.
Not a chance unless people get smarter.
I don't have a cellphone let alone a landline telephone nor do I have a television. I do have numerous computers, and around 95% of those aren't connected to the Internet.
Read Stallman
I too agree, when the automaton bit into the forbidden fruit and damned all technology to being corrupt
The world didn't change as much as you think it did because of technology anons. The truth was that people were very degenerate from the very beginning, the only thing that has changed is that the current political powers endorse degeneracy instead of fighting it. This is not the problem of technology itself but of people with power using social engineering tricks to drive men away from God. If anything some of the technological inventions that we have today, like the internet, are our greatest tools that we can use to share the Gospel if used efficiently that is. History is filled with vice, evil and degeneracy, the only thing technology is doing is helping to shed light on it.
Don't worry, I doubt that we would be different in any other time. Even if we were, there still would be people like thas, instead of forming communities on the internet, reading a lot of books or commiting suicide because of their loneliness. Do you know what kind of person Don Quiche was based off of?
Technology itself is not the problem: without it we'd be naked savages relying on an oral scripture instead of the written word. You're looking at widespread social problems plus questionable design and manufacturing philosophies, then blaming them on technology as a whole.
I can still see some of the guns
The only thing that interests me regarding technology are agricultural and medical advancements. People are still starving, and people still suffer from illness. I want to see hereditary illness and "incurable" stuffs like AIDS and cancer gone; and I want to see everybody fed.
stallman.org
"I am an Atheist, for scientific reasons. The religious theory of the natural world ("It's this way because a god decided to make it this way") does not explain anything, it only replaces one question with another. That means it is so bad that "valid" and "invalid" don't even apply.
I also reject the idea that a god's opinions would provide us with a moral compass. A god that would allow so much suffering to occur — most of it not the result of anyone's free will — is clearly no guide to what anyone should do. It would be entitled to its opinion just like you or I, but its opinion would not be entitled to any special respect.
Religion offers no moral short-cut. It is up to us to figure out what is right and what is wrong."
Thanks, I think I've read enough.
A broken clock has a good opinion twice per day.
The corollary of your style of genetic argument means you would support some heretic because of his "baste" opinions. Retard.
Brb, burning all GNU software
GTFO, seriously.
Moreso to the world in general, but the devil will certainly be able to use it against us specifically … go on …
Already happened. Doesn't threaten us though.
To be honest, I am not a fan of the GNU coreutils, they are very bloated, are neither UNIX-philosophy nor LISP-philosophy. And the GCC is monolithic in a bad way.
It's truly amazing just how many people these days are quite openly opposed to God on this basis alone.
Poor Theodicy kills souls.
Is it because of something the Church hasn't done?
Or is this the plan all along?
No.
Pain is the result of separation from God. This is theology 101.
Imagine a world without suffering. It can only be heaven. In this world we eliminate suffering but we create new pains in the process. We didn't remove misery from this world, we simply exchanged physical misery for mental/spiritual misery. There is no heaven without God.
The atheists are in for a nasty surprise.
Please let's move past Stallman. He's only right on a few things.
If you're going to use fancy words, at least use them properly. You sound like a po-mo bot to be honest.
Technology very obviously poses the greatest threat to the good in general because of the power it accrues to the ruling elites over our societies, who are nearly all corrupted by some type of materialist worldview. In itself, technology is mostly neutral, but its development in the modern era now invariably means an increase in power over nature and over the natures of humans themselves, no longer making it a such a neutral phenomenon. Even so, technology's own corruptive influence is almost a siren call, and simply an offer, that one can refuse for at least oneself for the time being and into the future for as long as free will still exists.
Technology is just a tool. Ultimately it is humans with our sins that ruin everything and anything we touch. Back in the time of Sodom and Gomorrah it wasn't concrete buildings and phones like today but people were still able to be degenerate and reject God.
I believe Christianity is transhumanist, as in transforming the person to the spiritual level and out of the sins of the flesh. But the devil always try to destroy/distort God's creation, and he introduced to this world his wicked version of transhumanism, which is implants and robotic parts and drugs.
Notice how with God you get to escape your own flesh and given a new perfect body but with the devil he distort your own current body and force you to suffer through all the modifications
What do you mean drugs?
If Pope Clement VIII drank coffee, does that stop at modafinil or phenylpiracetam?
I was thinking about weed meth and all the hormones pills trannies have to take to keep themselves who they want to be. If you look into the transhumanist movies, games, etc you'll notice that there's a lot of drugs in those dystopia too
Lowers your IQ and weakens your mental security system.
Carcinogenic and suicide in a capsule.
I'd say this is in a grey area. A lot of people think it is very bad, no questions asked and it'll make your hair and skin fall off but that's only the case with bad product filled with dangerous impurities or improper use and management. It does induce physiological and psychological stress response which can cause heart problems later and it causes oxidative stress and reactive nitrogen species in the brain leading to lipid peroxidation and accumulation of beta-amyloid proteins, which increase the risk of brain cancer, stroke, Parkinson's, or Alzheimer's disease.
And also, don't believe everything you see in movies and games. I mean, really? Who do you think are making these technological distractions? Oh, the irony.
The movies and video games are to desensitize and normalize it to us, so when the time comes the masses dont get suprised/shock. Why do you think Netflix and the mainstream entertainment are pushing this stuff all the time? To get us to get used to it
All I'm saying with all this stuff is at some point we are going to transform. Either it's with God (being in heaven and transcend the flesh) or with the devil with all the distortion of the flesh
If God creates a girl born with leukemia and she is saved through synthetic t-cells, is that a sin?
How does God feel about embryo selection? I imagine most parents wouldn’t select embryos that will be retarded or homosexual, so we will perhaps see the end of them.
Yes, that would make sense if it were not for masses of redditors citing Black Mirror any time actual technological progress is made (not cummies and VR).
The only thing that loses IQ is damage to the brain. The study showing that it lowers IQ in teens had a tiny sample size and there is much more research that shows marijuana does nothing to IQ.
Lmao
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It's a depressant like alcohol and induces focus and memory suppression. Why you'd want that I don't know.
Marijuana is not like alcohol brainlet. Marijuana is a depressant, stimulant, and hallucinogen all in one.
Shut the mouth, grass person, mushroom, ergot, and cactus is much better if you want something useful instead of being hungry and bewildered at everything.
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You're missing the point that abortions can be done because someone didn't bother to use contraception while they were in a party so that's the next thing they'll try to not end up having a baby.
Unless you mean ending the need for abortion in specific societies?